Red-Shirts To Intensify Pressure

[pornsasi]

I think it was a clever move from someone within the authorities to announce a visit from 40 countries' diplomats in order that assessments can be made of the situation there. crackdown coming within days and not longer than two weeks I think.

Yes, after reps of many nations see first hand the mess Abhisit must deal with.

The mess he and his junta friends are largely responsible for

How is he responsible for a bunch of thugs trying to get their corrupt leader back into power?

In many ways . For a start why did he not open an investigation into Thaksin conduct at Tak Bai and drugs war ? That would have been the way to go if he wanted Thaksin extradited .

Then why did he not get Arisman arrested before trying his failed 10th April stunt ?

I dont see many thugs among the reds , except some of their leaders .

[elcent]

tri26 Leaving Maneeya just as representatives from Embassies arrive amid cheering from crowd.

from twitter. I think it's a red herring

[ChiangMaiFun]

I think it was a clever move from someone within the authorities to announce a visit from 40 countries' diplomats in order that assessments can be made of the situation there. crackdown coming within days and not longer than two weeks I think.

Yes, after reps of many nations see first hand the mess Abhisit must deal with.

The mess he and his junta friends are largely responsible for

How is he responsible for a bunch of thugs trying to get their corrupt leader back into power?

Jeeze... have you been reading any of these threads? I'm too tired to push 'rewind' and 'play'

[elcent]

In many ways . For a start why did he not open an investigation into Thaksin conduct at Tak Bai and drugs war ? That would have been the way to go if he wanted Thaksin extradited .

Then why did he not get Arisman arrested before trying his failed 10th April stunt ?

I dont see many thugs among the reds , except some of their leaders .

Reds - It all melts down to their weak leadership. No ideologies, ideas, solutions, proposals. Why? For them it is not about the people but power and influence.

[pornsasi]

Army chief should intervene to detain PM: Surapong

BANGKOK: -- Pheu Thai Party MP Surapong Towijakchaikul on Friday called on Army chief General Anupong Paochinda to "do everything in his power",

such as imposing the house arrest on Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, in order to resolve the political crisis.

"It is now evident about the political failure to resolve the predicament, therefore Anupong must make an urgent decision for a crisis resolution," he said, voicing anger at Abhisit related to the April 10 violence and the last night's grenade attacks at Silom.

Surapong suggested for Anupong to step in to restore normalcy but stop short of staging a coup which he said was unacceptable.

Well what part of putting the PM under house arrest is NOT a coup?

That IS a coup d'etat AKA cutting off the head of government.

So there you have it folks a PTP MP Surapong Towijakchaikul,

blatantly calls on Gen. Anupong to arrest The Prime Minister.

What part of this being treason does this MP not understand.

These PTP pratts are not fit to run a country because they

can't even understand the basics of law, let alone MAKE laws.

Abhisit is the head of the governement ?

Or do you mean the figure head ?

[ChiangMaiFun]

In many ways . For a start why did he not open an investigation into Thaksin conduct at Tak Bai and drugs war ? That would have been the way to go if he wanted Thaksin extradited .

Then why did he not get Arisman arrested before trying his failed 10th April stunt ?

I dont see many thugs among the reds , except some of their leaders .

Reds - It all melts down to their weak leadership. No ideologies, ideas, solutions, proposals. Why? For them it is not about the people but power and influence.

Dude - it's about power and influence on BOTH sides - there is no 'saviour' figure coming along on his horse called 'honest' - this needs an election and a move forward - all will be 'focussed' when another event comes along eventually (and sadly).

[pornsasi]

In many ways . For a start why did he not open an investigation into Thaksin conduct at Tak Bai and drugs war ? That would have been the way to go if he wanted Thaksin extradited .

Then why did he not get Arisman arrested before trying his failed 10th April stunt ?

I dont see many thugs among the reds , except some of their leaders .

Reds - It all melts down to their weak leadership. No ideologies, ideas, solutions, proposals. Why? For them it is not about the people but power and influence.

Well let me explain . I think K Anand had it right . The red is primarely a social movement of rejection of the elite and of the established order coupled with a desire to be heard at long last . A bit like May68 in France which was a revolt against De Gaulle without any political revendication . The fiesta and kermess in the streets remind me of May68 . The reds are not a political party , hel_l in Thailand even political parties dont have real programs except enrich themselves . Of course , some leaders that have an agenda on their own are using the movement for their goal . Well just my personal opinion

[chadintheusa]

On the lighter side, if the reds manage to get an election called and they win I hear that they may want to change the National anthem. Here is a link to one of the leading contenders. I think this is only the English translation though.

http://listoftheday.blogspot.com/2009/12/c...f-day-kill.html

[ChiangMaiFun]

In many ways . For a start why did he not open an investigation into Thaksin conduct at Tak Bai and drugs war ? That would have been the way to go if he wanted Thaksin extradited .

Then why did he not get Arisman arrested before trying his failed 10th April stunt ?

I dont see many thugs among the reds , except some of their leaders .

Reds - It all melts down to their weak leadership. No ideologies, ideas, solutions, proposals. Why? For them it is not about the people but power and influence.

Well let me explain . I think K Anand had it right . The red is primarely a social movement of rejection of the elite and of the established order coupled with a desire to be heard at long last . A bit like May68 in France which was a revolt against De Gaulle without any political revendication . The fiesta and kermess in the streets remind me of May68 . The reds are not a political party , hel_l in Thailand even political parties dont have real programs except enrich themselves . Of course , some leaders that have an agenda on their own are using the movement for their goal . Well just my personal opinion

That is absolutely IT you said it much better than I - it IS a cultural 'shift' - the players are 'almost' irrelevant - it is a ground swell of energy againt that which has gone before - well said anyway! a clever and intelligent summary of the 'hidden' shift

[siampolee]

Red Shirt is ready to hold new round of talks if government agrees to dissolve parliament in 30 days: Veera

Really !!

Indeed a sign that the Red Shirt Brigade leaders know that their case is not garnering the support that they thought and of course the fate of its leaders is now of some concern to those leaders.

In political parlance

Bargaining chips and pleading to save their skins is the aim of their game.

However the Red Shirt Brigade do not have too many chips to play with and lay on the table.

One presumes that the leaders assorted rectums are indeed ''All of a quiver""

Edited April 23, 2010 by siampolee

[pornsasi]

On the lighter side, if the reds manage to get an election called and they win I hear that they may want to change the National anthem. Here is a link to one of the leading contenders. I think this is only the English translation though.

http://listoftheday.blogspot.com/2009/12/c...f-day-kill.html

Are yu sure they want to kill the white people ?

Last I heard they want the UN to step in , have they

made a request for african nations to participate only ?

[elcent]

about the diplomats visit

why would countries issue serious travel warnings and send diplomats to the reds and their stages? :D

[pornsasi]

In many ways . For a start why did he not open an investigation into Thaksin conduct at Tak Bai and drugs war ? That would have been the way to go if he wanted Thaksin extradited .

Then why did he not get Arisman arrested before trying his failed 10th April stunt ?

I dont see many thugs among the reds , except some of their leaders .

Reds - It all melts down to their weak leadership. No ideologies, ideas, solutions, proposals. Why? For them it is not about the people but power and influence.

Well let me explain . I think K Anand had it right . The red is primarely a social movement of rejection of the elite and of the established order coupled with a desire to be heard at long last . A bit like May68 in France which was a revolt against De Gaulle without any political revendication . The fiesta and kermess in the streets remind me of May68 . The reds are not a political party , hel_l in Thailand even political parties dont have real programs except enrich themselves . Of course , some leaders that have an agenda on their own are using the movement for their goal . Well just my personal opinion

That is absolutely IT you said it much better than I - it IS a cultural 'shift' - the players are 'almost' irrelevant - it is a ground swell of energy againt that which has gone before - well said anyway! a clever and intelligent summary of the 'hidden' shift

Thanks . Yes looks to me this way . A socio-cultural shift , you are right

Edit : Maybe more a revolt then a shift actually

Edited April 23, 2010 by pornsasi

[pornsasi]

It seems there ha been great effort to keep Taskin's name away from this mess we are in

This is giving me withdrawal symptoms

so to help me out her goes

Taskin Taskin Taskin Taskin Taskin Taskin Taskin

Thank you I feel so much better now

That is because the red cheerleaders are too busy deciding which camp to jump into:

The camp which denies that the latest violence is caused by the reds. (Who threw that bomb?)

and

The camp which supports the violence (the elites had it coming to them)

When you have Clint Eastwood and Che Guevara on the same team.

The wires can get a little crossed.

Amazing how many new information you bring to this forum every time you post

[ianf]

I think it was a clever move from someone within the authorities to announce a visit from 40 countries' diplomats in order that assessments can be made of the situation there. crackdown coming within days and not longer than two weeks I think.

Yes, after reps of many nations see first hand the mess Abhisit must deal with.

The mess he and his junta friends are largely responsible for

How on earth can you say that. It is a statement without any basis of fact whatsoever.

[pornsasi]

I think it was a clever move from someone within the authorities to announce a visit from 40 countries' diplomats in order that assessments can be made of the situation there. crackdown coming within days and not longer than two weeks I think.

Yes, after reps of many nations see first hand the mess Abhisit must deal with.

The mess he and his junta friends are largely responsible for

How on earth can you say that. It is a statement without any basis of fact whatsoever.

Well it all originated with the 2006 coup and the biased courts .

Its hard to see how the dems and Abhisit did not benefit from it

[pornsasi]

After meeting with peace envoys from Australia, Argentina, Peru, Denmark and Belgium, the UDD has agreed to a new demand of 1 month till dissolution, 3 months till elections, no army crackdown and an independent and transparent investigation into deaths.

Let's see how the less democratic, less transparent forces of Thailand will respond.

Informative post , not too many of those here . Thank you

Yes lets wait and see then

PS : Or is that a joke LOL ?

Edited April 23, 2010 by pornsasi

[ratcatcher]

After meeting with peace envoys from Australia, Argentina, Peru, Denmark and Belgium, the UDD has agreed to a new demand of 1 month till dissolution, 3 months till elections, no army crackdown and an independent and transparent investigation into deaths.

Let's see how the less democratic, less transparent forces of Thailand will respond.

Informative post , not too many of those here . Thank you

Yes lets wait and see then

PS : Or is that a joke LOL ?

So, the U.D.D. has agreed to a "new demand"?

The question is, will the Thai government under P.M. Abhisit agree?

[johncitizen]

You might want to try BBC for a start,

Btw. these independent transparent investigations would also cover the tragic deaths of the multi-shirts on the 22nd, according to Veera.

So please let's not have any more talk of the UDD being behind anything until these investigations take place.

[elcent]

You might want to try BBC for a start, smartasses.

Btw. these independent transparent investigations would also cover the tragic deaths of the multi-shirts on the 22nd, according to Veera.

So please let's not have any more talk of the UDD being behind anything until these investigations take place.

still no reference to an envoy of foreign diplomats.

[elcent]

the rumor kitchen is boiling over. :D

[midas]

After meeting with peace envoys from Australia, Argentina, Peru, Denmark and Belgium, the UDD has agreed to a new demand of 1 month till dissolution, 3 months till elections, no army crackdown and an independent and transparent investigation into deaths.

Let's see how the less democratic, less transparent forces of Thailand will respond.

Informative post , not too many of those here . Thank you

Yes lets wait and see then

PS : Or is that a joke LOL ?

So, the U.D.D. has agreed to a "new demand"?

The question is, will the Thai government under P.M. Abhisit agree?

If they do then could we see another sit in at the airport by the yellow / pink and many other coloured shirts ?

Of course they will point to the reds and say " they started it "

[johncitizen]

You might want to try BBC for a start,

Btw. these independent transparent investigations would also cover the tragic deaths of the multi-shirts on the 22nd, according to Veera.

So please let's not have any more talk of the UDD being behind anything until these investigations take place.

still no reference to an envoy of foreign diplomats.

El, you are a pain but I will throw you a bone:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/...n-30127831.html

[TAWP]

MCOT: Red Shirt is ready to hold new round of talks if government agrees to dissolve parliament in 30 days: Veera

"You must comply with our demand or we will not talk with you, that is our definition of a negotiation."

No wonder we are confused over what their definition of democracy is too...

So the government have to agree to an extortionists demand and THEN they will talk about PERHAPS reducing the amount of violence.

[FatherF]

Weng not speaking diplomatically, however. Says Hitler & Pol Pot were more humane than Abhisit . Deaths here less, but killing more gruesome

[elcent]

You might want to try BBC for a start,

Btw. these independent transparent investigations would also cover the tragic deaths of the multi-shirts on the 22nd, according to Veera.

So please let's not have any more talk of the UDD being behind anything until these investigations take place.

still no reference to an envoy of foreign diplomats.

El, you are a pain but I will throw you a bone:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/...n-30127831.html

no meaning sorry, it's a trick. who were the people he negotiated? hmm.. this is an imagination set, so typical for these kind of breeds. One even thinks he can get asylum in the USA now. why?

[yoshiwara]

MCOT: Red Shirt is ready to hold new round of talks if government agrees to dissolve parliament in 30 days: Veera

"You must comply with our demand or we will not talk with you, that is our definition of a negotiation."

No wonder we are confused over what their definition of democracy is too...

So the government have to agree to an extortionists demand and THEN they will talk about PERHAPS reducing the amount of violence.

Its their formula for the red cheerleaders to deny that they are refusing negotiations.

Yesterday the forum reds were just point blank denying it without any rationale.

Today even they cannot peddle the above it is so weak,

so they will put on the double standards broken record instead.

Edited April 23, 2010 by yoshiwara

[elcent]

MCOT: Red Shirt is ready to hold new round of talks if government agrees to dissolve parliament in 30 days: Veera

"You must comply with our demand or we will not talk with you, that is our definition of a negotiation."

No wonder we are confused over what their definition of democracy is too...

So the government have to agree to an extortionists demand and THEN they will talk about PERHAPS reducing the amount of violence.

Its their formula for the red cheerleaders to deny that they are refusing negotiations.

Yesterday the forum reds were just point blank denying it without any rationale.

Today even they cannot peddle the above it is so weak,

so they will put on the double standards broken record instead.

oh yes, they delivered a letter to the UN and they have turned it into a negotiation on their rally side claiming to have 40 diplomats visiting them. :D

someone/something in the corner comes to mind.

[yoshiwara]

After meeting with peace envoys from Australia, Argentina, Peru, Denmark and Belgium, the UDD has agreed to a new demand of 1 month till dissolution, 3 months till elections, no army crackdown and an independent and transparent investigation into deaths.

Let's see how the less democratic, less transparent forces of Thailand will respond.

Informative post , not too many of those here . Thank you

Yes lets wait and see then

PS : Or is that a joke LOL ?

So, the U.D.D. has agreed to a "new demand"?

The question is, will the Thai government under P.M. Abhisit agree?

Thaksin's only criteria is that any election takes place before the army reshuffle so that he can put his cronies into place and lock up all the institutions of state power.

His objective has not shifted since the present campaign began.

Any so-called call for an investigation is a joke and an attempt to kick the red violence into the long grass.

Funny how the reds are desperate to meet 'peace' envoys but go crazy when the US government called for peace.

The red leaders will be taking instructions from Thaksin at every stage whatever they say:

ThaivisaNews: Noppadol: I just talked to Thaksin over phone. He's all rite. No msgs lately coz he didn't want msgs to b distorted. and he travelled a lot.

His message is 'Give me Thailand now or I will destroy Bangkok'

Edited April 24, 2010 by yoshiwara

[Siam Simon]

As I've noticed numerous moderator comments to use proper names for people or the post gets deleted, your apparently intentional and repeated slights of Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban (note proper spelling) falls outside that moderator-established parameter of proper names.

I would prefer it if the mods didn't enforce this rule because it makes it easier to identify the children from the adults.

Yes, it would identify your Forum Friend Ralph as utterly infantile, and identify me as slightly juvenile for associating him with the paranoid nutter from 'Wait Till Your Father Gets Home' (thus making him my only recipient of name-calling).

Funny how selective we can all be at times, isn't it?