Red-Shirts Leader Seh Daeng Shot In The Head - Fighting For His Life In ICU - Video

[AleG]

There was also an entry and exit wound. How can the bullet be removed if it wasn't there?

It could have fragmented on impact. A normal high velocity round has a full metal jacket and wouldn't fragment; on the other hand a semi jacketed high velocity round would create quite a mess, spraying lots of tiny fragments from the point of impact in. No idea of the later would have enough punch to go all the way through the head though.

[OzMick]

Disgusting some of the posts on here claiming how "good it is" for someone to be shot.

Som nam na........ the word good, is not good enough in this case....

Its comments like this that make me ashamed to be a part of the human race.

Then you don't have a very good understanding of the human race. Any time you would like to leave, feel free - suicide is the sincerest form of self-criticism!

[chadintheusa]

Timekeeper,

I have consistently been against violence - and I acknowledge the reds have at times been misled and to other times just plain stupid.

I have also supported the ending of this - and have said that the reds should go home - they had it - now they are losing it through poor leadership.

I am against, in all forms, by ANY side - sneaking around with snipers and shooting people in the head 'because we do not agree with them'

Your comment about the 'law being upheld' is a contradiction - shooting people (the topic of this thread) is not upholding the law - it is attempted murder - plain and simple

If all the red leaders surrender peacefully and face the charges against them no one else will be shot. Do you think that is a realistic situation? In an ideal world there would be no shooting, but we know that if the police break up this protest they will face violence from the reds and in self defense others will be shot, while they are enforcing the law.

[whybother]

Finally, the international condemnation the red apologists have been talking about:

Thaksin condemns shooting of Maj Gen Khattiya

Fugitive ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra said in his twitter that he telephoned daughter of Maj Gen Khattiya Sawasdipol who has been in a coma after being shot at the head reportedly by a sniper on Thursday night.

Thaksin said in @Thaksinlive at about 4am Friday that he gave moral support to Khattiya, daughter of Maj Gen Khattiya, who has been treated at Vachira Hospital.

A Vajira hospital doctor said Friday morning that the general, a leading red shirt leader, had been removed bullets from his head but the condition is still critical.

-- The Nation 2010-05-14

[SomTumTiger]

Finally, the international condemnation the red apologists have been talking about:

Thaksin condemns shooting of Maj Gen Khattiya

Fugitive ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra said in his twitter that he telephoned daughter of Maj Gen Khattiya Sawasdipol who has been in a coma after being shot at the head reportedly by a sniper on Thursday night.

Thaksin said in @Thaksinlive at about 4am Friday that he gave moral support to Khattiya, daughter of Maj Gen Khattiya, who has been treated at Vachira Hospital.

A Vajira hospital doctor said Friday morning that the general, a leading red shirt leader, had been removed bullets from his head but the condition is still critical.

-- The Nation 2010-05-14

Well, if Thaksin is condemning it, it must be a good thing.

[ChiangMaiFun]

When you are dealing with terrorists you have to act when the opportunity presents itself. If it was the army they had a clean shot and took it, no one else was injured. At least with reporters present you have independent witnesses and there can not be any claims that Seh Daeng is sick and travelling in England. The truth is there for all to see. Since Seh Daeng had no compassion for his victims I can't buy your argument that his life is far more sacred than theirs. There are policemen, innocent bystanders, soldiers, journalists, and protesters who may very well still be alive if Seh Daeng had never advocated violence for the red shirts. None of those people received a fair trial, they only got a bullet or a grenade. Seh Daeng played a role in their deaths so why does he deserve justice when they received none?

Governments, even when confronted by demonstrations - even violents ones - MUST always uphold the law - its the sign of a mature society - shooting people in the head by sniper fire - a serving General - is outrageous - and even yellows should be condemning it outright.

[Insight]

Will be interesting to see if the random grenade attacks around BKK continue.

2Bangkok.com has an interesting write-up, as always.

[Tigs]

despite the fact that the reds still have high powered rifles taken from fallen army personnel on April 10th, (a fact confirmed by the captured red leader Meethee), know one knows if it was a high powered rifle that shot him

you are just making assumptions

now they have the bullet, we may find out

I have made no assumptions in any of my posts - but it is odds on favourite it's not the reds shooting in that direction one of their own leaders right?

Well if the news is correct and the bullet went in the left temple and out of the right then odds on 'who can tell'! as it was shot from the same level as SD.s head.

[Samuian]

Well Abhisit has been sent a letter from Human Rights informing him that he has committed a war crime by allowing civilians to be shot - possibly more than 20 last night. I have seen the letter and it is very legally written. Next change of government and he won't be safe anywhere in the world from prosecution.

Good news !

I wonder if he will serve his jail time or escape overseas...

Which civilians might those be? Good try though your post is almost legibly written. If Abhisit truly feared prosecution I hear Montenegro harbors criminals for a fee. For those confused reds out there a military general in combat fatigues commanding his own private army is not a civilian.

It certainally explains why Abhisit is so defiantly clinging to power - he fears prosecution for his crimes.

Everybody knows Abhisit is a hypocrite, he will avoid his jail time by escaping overseas just like the others.

Unless Sae Dangs men get to him first.

clack, clack....clack, clack....clack, clack....clack, clack....clack, clack....clack, clack....

The red shirt propaganda machine keeps rattling and rattling... clack, clack....clack, clack....clack, clack....clack, clack....trurns upside down and tries to make out of a right a wrong...

WHY has never been a red shirt affected by the grenades launched in Silom?

Was the attack on the Prime Ministers car and on Kasit, and the "black Songkran" last year SELF DEFENSE ?

Was all this violence,the Nation was confronted with due to red shirt "Rallies" all staged by the "PM" himself?

Even someone claimed, REPORTED on internatioanl TV NEWS, to have a "peoples Revolution"?

Who is the sore loser in this game, who keeps on "ringing in" on large TV Screens,

who keeps encouraging the red shirts to keep "fighting"?

Who?

Who is the big loser behind all this?

Who?

Get real man!

[neverdie]

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I dont want to have to kick your butt again like i did last time LOL

Rusty,

Please leave your personal fantasies off the forum.

You really need to take a long hard look at yourself and some of you're previous comments on this subject (& other related subjects) before you start jumping up and down critising other people. Truely cringeworthy stuff.

Everyone here is entitled to have a different opinion & I agree with 1 previous post you made about some of the disgusting comments made on this particular thread but other than that you are just clearly blinded by you're predjudice views - even blind freddy can see that. Please engage BRAIN before posting.

Have a pleasant day.

[Expatmartin]

how can all of you farangs applaude an obvious murder attempt? Living in the tropics seems to make one loose his common-sense, let's not even talk about democratic ethos.

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[tomahawk]

Regardless of what anyone thinks about this general, if the army shot him it was the absolutely stupidest thing they could have done. Anyone who thinks this will save lives or calm things down is ignorant of history. All they have done is given the redshirts a martyr to incite a civil war, and it is not like this general was the entire redshirt leadership.

Also, just because it was a low-caliber bullet does not mean it is ineffective for sniper work. They are usually high velocity rounds with great range.

[dobadoy]

despite the fact that the reds still have high powered rifles taken from fallen army personnel on April 10th, (a fact confirmed by the captured red leader Meethee), know one knows if it was a high powered rifle that shot him

you are just making assumptions

now they have the bullet, we may find out

I have made no assumptions in any of my posts - but it is odds on favourite it's not the reds shooting in that direction one of their own leaders right?

Well if the news is correct and the bullet went in the left temple and out of the right then odds on 'who can tell'! as it was shot from the same level as SD.s head.

You're assuminghe had a levelhead when shot. If his head was tilted to the right he could have been shot from the roof of the Senior Citizen's building in Lumpini park.

[timekeeper]

Timekeeper,

I have consistently been against violence - and I acknowledge the reds have at times been misled and to other times just plain stupid.

I have also supported the ending of this - and have said that the reds should go home - they had it - now they are losing it through poor leadership.

I am against, in all forms, by ANY side - sneaking around with snipers and shooting people in the head 'because we do not agree with them'

Your comment about the 'law being upheld' is a contradiction - shooting people (the topic of this thread) is not upholding the law - it is attempted murder - plain and simple

we shall see who made this shot now they have the bullet

[norwayeagle]

how can all of you farangs applaude an obvious murder attempt? Living in the tropics seems to make one loose his common-sense, let's not even talk about democratic ethos.

Yeah Man!

[whybother]

how can all of you farangs applaude an obvious murder attempt? Living in the tropics seems to make one loose his common-sense, let's not even talk about democratic ethos.

Mainly because most of the farangs applauding it believe that the guy was responsible for many murders himself, including on April 10.

[clausewitz]

Going beyong whether a government should order unarmed protest leaders to be assainated, I think they(whether it be Prem, or abhisit , or abhist's handlers) have made a tactical error.

In my opinion Thaksin's worst miscalculation was on the southern insurgency - which he thought could be quickly quelled by some hard force- he underestimated it and it got worse.

This will be minor though compared with what might happen throughout the kingdom if the government think that they can take out leaders and everything will go back to normal. There are literally millions of Thais who ae sympathetic to the Red movement,who really believe they have been ropbbed of their vote, and even if only a few thousand take up arms they will be supported - underground- throughout the country.

[PlaYai]

if theres not even penetration of the skull you can be totally shore of that there were no sniper (trained) involved.

1 a sniper will never go for a headshot, chanses for a no kill shot is to great.

2 a sniper bullet kills if it hits the upper boddy. these bullets are made for only one thing compered to the normal GI bullet that must be able to cope with a lot of diffrent targets shields and shot from a gun with a diffrent sight.

So most likely this is done by someone not trained and or not equipped god enough.

another explanation could be that this wasnt a bullet directly targeting Daeng but a recoil of something else. or a shrapnel from something exploding.

[dino67]

I haven't seen a close up nor confirmation of entry/exit wounds. If it was a shot in the temple it was not a high velocity round.

It is common for military snipers to utilize subsonic rounds on a rifle fitted with a suppressor. From 50 meters away you cannot hear the rifle discharge. Effective out to 300m. Depending on the projectile type it may not have excited the skull.

[Tony Clifton]

Thaksin always gets what he wants.

Sae Deng knew too much and Thaksin wanted him out.

Let's see what Thaksin wants next.

[frodo]

Well Abhisit has been sent a letter from Human Rights informing him that he has committed a war crime by allowing civilians to be shot - possibly more than 20 last night. I have seen the letter and it is very legally written. Next change of government and he won't be safe anywhere in the world from prosecution.

Probably the same letter that Human Rights groups sent Thaksin for committing war crimes by allowing over 2500 innocent people to be brutally murdered and shot down.

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[Steely Dan]

Governments, even when confronted by demonstrations - even violents ones - MUST always uphold the law - its the sign of a mature society - shooting people in the head by sniper fire - a serving General - is outrageous - and even yellows should be condemning it outright.

Point of fact: No longer serving at the time, he had been suspended from dance instruction and aerobics for being a loose cannon.

..And you keep repeating the allegation that the government was responsible, TIT, the army is separate from government, though it is possible of course that a fake government carried out the shooting to discredit the real one.

Edited May 14, 2010 by Steely Dan

[ChiangMaiFun]

Thaksin always gets what he wants.

Sae Deng knew too much and Thaksin wanted him out.

Let's see what Thaksin wants next.

so this is your verdict? Thaksin killed him? I've heard it all now...

[ChiangMaiFun]

Governments, even when confronted by demonstrations - even violents ones - MUST always uphold the law - its the sign of a mature society - shooting people in the head by sniper fire - a serving General - is outrageous - and even yellows should be condemning it outright.

Point of fact: No longer serving at the time, he had been suspended from dance instruction and aerobics for being a loose cannon.

Point of fact: serving - suspension is not dismissal and had not been enacted - get your facts right

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Somebody is paying him

[timekeeper]

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/...;-30129281.html

from Seh Daengs own mouth before he was shot, it makes interesting reading

Q : What is your view on infighting among the red-shirt leadership?

A : The "dove" leaders took money from the government and the "hawk" leaders want to expose them, but they don't dare to. But the "hawk" leaders have me, so I expose the "dove leaders".

Q : Who are the dove leaders?

K : Nattawut Saikua, Jatuporn Promphan, Dr weng Tojirakarn, and Wisa Khanthap.

Q : The infighting will weaken the protest?

K : No. The doves are bad leaders. The red shirts have come to fight and die. How can they make a deal [with the government] for themselves? The PM's road map, the surrender of Suthep Thaugsuban at the DSI, and at the CSD. I exposed them all. The red shirts have come here for House dissolution, not for the road map.

this might be an indicator of who was out to get him besides the army and millions of other disgruntled Bangkokians

Edited May 14, 2010 by timekeeper

[Steely Dan]

Governments, even when confronted by demonstrations - even violents ones - MUST always uphold the law - its the sign of a mature society - shooting people in the head by sniper fire - a serving General - is outrageous - and even yellows should be condemning it outright.

Point of fact: No longer serving at the time, he had been suspended from dance instruction and aerobics for being a loose cannon.

Point of fact: serving - suspension is not dismissal and had not been enacted - get your facts right

Well, lets just say he wasn't in any hurry to turn up at army HQ to try and get reinstated, unless of course a plea was attached to an M79 grenade.

[cmsally]

When you are dealing with terrorists you have to act when the opportunity presents itself. If it was the army they had a clean shot and took it, no one else was injured. At least with reporters present you have independent witnesses and there can not be any claims that Seh Daeng is sick and travelling in England. The truth is there for all to see. Since Seh Daeng had no compassion for his victims I can't buy your argument that his life is far more sacred than theirs. There are policemen, innocent bystanders, soldiers, journalists, and protesters who may very well still be alive if Seh Daeng had never advocated violence for the red shirts. None of those people received a fair trial, they only got a bullet or a grenade. Seh Daeng played a role in their deaths so why does he deserve justice when they received none?

Governments, even when confronted by demonstrations - even violents ones - MUST always uphold the law - its the sign of a mature society - shooting people in the head by sniper fire - a serving General - is outrageous - and even yellows should be condemning it outright.

Quoting from the Guardian:

"During the closing-in operation today, it's possible that terrorists in the area would move in and encounter the officers," Colonel Sansern Kaewkamnerd, the spokesman for the agency charged with ending the protest said.

"Therefore, the authorities must execute measures according to international standards and rules of engagement. Live ammunition will be used."

Does anyone know which international standards he is referring to?

I am absolutely dumbfounded as to how so many people on this forum can justify the assassination of a person in broad day light in a capital city in the view of the world media.

Whatever the nature of the killing , with regard to the previous announcements and positioning it really does put the blame logically at the feet of the government. And any fallout will progress from that supposition.

But note some of the international news which say the blame lies with the government OR the military (I think that was on the BBC).

The world media (including a US embassy announcement), stresses the fissures in and between the government and the military. Looking at yesterdays happenings we can suppose there was some payback for the Romklao incident which was an ongoing feud from last year.

It will only be in the next few days that we can maybe decipher where loyalties lay. It is easy to say Seh Daeng deserved this and that as so many people have done on this forum. He was obviously a bit of a loud mouth which is always a loose cannon in this society. But as my mother would say " its the quiet ones you have to watch".

Don't make the mistake of believing those who can control their speech and actions more so than he could, are somehow more pure and honest than him, as that's probably not the case.

The fact that this has progressed so far is an indication that there are probably many people who have not even shown their colours as yet. Only time will tell at the moment.