Red-Shirt Leaders Plea For An End To Riots

[mizzi39]

I hope that immigration gets a good look at that yob!

[timekeeper]

anyone know who this moron londoner is?

he shouldn't be difficult to recognise

he looks like a <deleted>, talks like a <deleted> and is a <deleted>.......

[robbiecia]

Evidently from this TAN News tidbit; the 'peaceful protestors' in front of the red-rabble stage at Rachaprasong were a little heavy handed after Central World started burning, and filled their pockets before they reported for the government's free bus ride back to Nakhon Nowhere.

TAN: Luxury items found on some red shirt protesters returning home on buses. Some valued over 10,000 THB

Oh, before the ever present foreign sock-puppet red apologists weigh in with their 2 satang's worth; here's a correction. They're probably 'fake reds' , or yellows dressed as reds , or ninja warriors dressed as reds , or maybe monks dressed as reds (Red apologists pick one), what is apparent that they are NOT is the 'dark blue shirt evil doers' as alleged by one of the red leaders when asked if reds were looting. Why would 'dark-blue-shirt-evil-doers' take the free bus home to Nakhon Nowhere?

Just maybe they're nothing more than plain rank-n-file sheep-like red protestors who didn't get their last pay check before their 'party was crashed' and decided to 'settle up' how ever they could..

A truly magnificent post

[Netfan]

As others have said ,last night seemingly pre-planned attack have brought the reasons for last two months activities into focus. With Arisman wanting to burn down Muslim mosques ( ethnic cleansing ) Thaksins aims have become clearer, to create a Thai version of Burma with Arisman as Minister of Culture , Weng as Information Minister, Jatuporn as Foreign Minister and Nattawut as Chief Creep and Thaksin as El Presidente for life.

Do you have a credible source for this statement? Or is that your opinion?

I asked you this on the previous page, and as usual for red cheerleaders, you ignored it. So - once again- time to earn your money. Is there anything the reds have said/done that you are willing to say is wrong? Invading hospital, arson, killing soldiers, threatening to burn down mosques and hospitals, looting (you have seen the video of the stolen merchandise the cretins were trying to bring back to Isaan with them, right?). Don't run off this time - stick around and give a straight answer.

[ETatBKK]

what is the suggested charge for Nuttawut ?

what is the suggested charge for this folk ?

[lilkitty]

Evidently from this TAN News tidbit; the 'peaceful protestors' in front of the red-rabble stage at Rachaprasong were a little heavy handed after Central World started burning, and filled their pockets before they reported for the government's free bus ride back to Nakhon Nowhere.

TAN: Luxury items found on some red shirt protesters returning home on buses. Some valued over 10,000 THB

Oh, before the ever present foreign sock-puppet red apologists weigh in with their 2 satang's worth; here's a correction. They're probably 'fake reds' , or yellows dressed as reds , or ninja warriors dressed as reds , or maybe monks dressed as reds (Red apologists pick one), what is apparent that they are NOT is the 'dark blue shirt evil doers' as alleged by one of the red leaders when asked if reds were looting. Why would 'dark-blue-shirt-evil-doers' take the free bus home to Nakhon Nowhere?

Just maybe they're nothing more than plain rank-n-file sheep-like red protestors who didn't get their last pay check before their 'party was crashed' and decided to 'settle up' how ever they could..

A truly magnificent post

I think some people didn't quite understand the "hint at blue" from one of the red shirt leaders. Remember during the riots in Pattaya last year? Newin was spotted there driving on a motorbike, directing his thugs, while wearing blue. Every Thai knows that "blue" stands for Newin just as much as "red" and "yellow" stand for the other 2 groups.

Newin also has his own little private army of "blue shirts":

Ooops...are they armed? Can you spot the handgun? This was last year in Pattaya by the way. How come these armed terrorists are not arrested?

Here are even some videos of them in Pattaya last year:

Can someone explain to me why Newin is still part of the coalition government?

Edited May 20, 2010 by lilkitty

[ETatBKK]

Veera calls for his reds to go home and stop rioting

By The Nation

"I can confirm the red shirts are no danger to the country - they are patriots who love their country's institutions, oppose dictatorship and want to advance democracy," he said.

Veera said he was deeply saddened by the tragic loss of life and that he was regretful for riots erupted.

"I have said countless times about the democratic struggle via non-violence means and it is undeniable what happened in the past few days are because my fellow reds were angry and disappointed," he said.

"Anger is destructive and the advancement of democracy can never happen by being angry and vengeful," he said.

-- The Nation 2010-05-20

sweet heart, but just a bit too late

[Sao Jiang Mai]

Ok, that hooligan Londoner needs to spend a few years in Bangkwang to learn manners about not burning down your host's house. That was deeply offensive.

[Netfan]

Evidently from this TAN News tidbit; the 'peaceful protestors' in front of the red-rabble stage at Rachaprasong were a little heavy handed after Central World started burning, and filled their pockets before they reported for the government's free bus ride back to Nakhon Nowhere.

TAN: Luxury items found on some red shirt protesters returning home on buses. Some valued over 10,000 THB

Oh, before the ever present foreign sock-puppet red apologists weigh in with their 2 satang's worth; here's a correction. They're probably 'fake reds' , or yellows dressed as reds , or ninja warriors dressed as reds , or maybe monks dressed as reds (Red apologists pick one), what is apparent that they are NOT is the 'dark blue shirt evil doers' as alleged by one of the red leaders when asked if reds were looting. Why would 'dark-blue-shirt-evil-doers' take the free bus home to Nakhon Nowhere?

Just maybe they're nothing more than plain rank-n-file sheep-like red protestors who didn't get their last pay check before their 'party was crashed' and decided to 'settle up' how ever they could..

A truly magnificent post

I think some people didn't quite understand the "hint at blue" from one of the red shirt leaders. Remember during the riots in Pattaya last year? Newin was spotted there driving on a motorbike, directing his thugs, while wearing blue. Every Thai knows that "blue" stands for Newin just as much as "red" and "yellow" stand for the other 2 groups.

Newin also has his own little private army of "blue shirts":

Ooops...are they armed? Can you spot the handgun? This was last year in Pattaya by the way. How come these armed terrorists are not arrested?

Here are even some videos of them in Pattaya last year:

Can someone explain to me why Newin is still part of the coalition government?

You've posted the same thing twice on different threads, so same question - that was over a year ago. You support the arson and looting, will you at least say you are against arsonists trying to kill fireman trying to put out the fires?

[lilkitty]

You've posted the same thing twice on different threads, so same question - that was over a year ago. You support the arson and looting, will you at least say you are against arsonists trying to kill fireman trying to put out the fires?

Why do you keep saying I support arson and looting? You're a liar, simple as that. I never said that. Please find where I said that and then quote me. Otherwise you're a liar, sorry. But you apparently have no answer to the fact that Newin is running his own private armed army without the legal consequences. So you have to make up lies to divert. Nice try.

Edited May 20, 2010 by lilkitty

[ovaltina]

And again I shake my head over BBC World reporting.

The pictures from communist protests in Greece showed a crowd outside parliament in Athens. The BBC speaker mentioned a single rock that was thrown against the security forces in riot gear and described the tense situation in Greece. The message was clear: Communist protesters in Greece threaten stablity and the economic recovery.

2 minutes earlier a BBC correspondent described in colorful words the stage of the red shirts who, a few days ago "were dancing and listening to the speeches of their leaders"... Then pictures of crying protesters being led away by police and medical staff. Also this message was clear: Poor farmers being forced from their peaceful rally site.

Again not a single word that the hatred speeches of those crooks on red shirt stage have fuelled the crowd to the point of creating a nightmare in Thailand. Those speeches did not start yesterday or after April 10 - they blasted their hatred out since years! None of them was charged with insiting unrest, not even for their orders to come to Bangkok by the million with one empty bottle in their hands, buying the fuel in Bangkok and burning the city to the ground with Bangkok's own fuel, not stolen but paid for.

Of course, 95% of farangs in this forum have no clue of all of that, relying on (biased?) translations by their Isan girlfriends...

Radical preachers are arrested or expelled from Britain if they say just half of what the red shirt leaders pounded from their stage. And it does not take authorities to wait 2 years...

BBC Thailand reporters are the worst, even by the standards of the beebs. Hatchet-faced Harvey, and that pill-popping Leithead, are unwatchable, shouting at the camera and scowling like they're in the WW2 trenches for the long haul, instead of in a tropical paradise surrounded by camera-crew and make-up artists.

I particularly enjoyed the way they focused on the (paid by Thaksin) Red dancing girls, and on the occasional wounded red.Just one happy gang of groovers, picked off by the evil cops.

Never once heard the BBC mention in detail the dead soldiers and dead policemen, their grieving families, or the fact that they were poor Thai men from the slums just doing a job to feed their kids and protect the nation that they love.

[TheItaliann]

Guys,

I think that is what we could very well see. The Thai government really puts it to these guys to give up Thaksin or face the hangman. They testify that he was behind it all. The government also has financial transactions. They go after those people. Same deal. They put it all on Thaksin. They dissolve the Peau Thai Party. Then they make it known that any future "Red Shirt Leaders" who claim to be willing to die better be prepared to actually do so.

Then, perhaps, with the help of the US/UK, they are able to extradite Thaksin from one of these nations (This will probably be harder as long as the international press keeps backing him up) and that is the end of the Thaksin era.

Edited May 20, 2010 by TheItaliann

[JacknDanny]

I wonder what sentences these guys will get. If they get only 1-2 years they will do it again.

Well, there was some talk about the death sentence. Not sure if there's any truth to that, but if there is, it will probably do wonders to heal Thailand's already deep divisions.

I sincerely hope that ALL the main red leaders get the lethal injection, and that includes Jatuporn (whose jab I hope takes longer to work!!)

[mausplan]

As others have said ,last night seemingly pre-planned attack have brought the reasons for last two months activities into focus. With Arisman wanting to burn down Muslim mosques ( ethnic cleansing ) Thaksins aims have become clearer, to create a Thai version of Burma with Arisman as Minister of Culture , Weng as Information Minister, Jatuporn as Foreign Minister and Nattawut as Chief Creep and Thaksin as El Presidente for life.

Do you have a credible source for this statement? Or is that your opinion?

Hi , some sources ,some opinion , I am an observer and a resident , I pay tax here but as a farang I cant be involved in the way we can in our own countries. I have met Thaksin, lunched with him and just a couple of other people. it does not make me an expert in any sense but I have some feeling about him.

Comments

Re Mosques :Arisman -refer video clip in this posting,

Re Burma: opinion but based on Thaksins statements about the Burmese Generals doing a good job and that democracy has different meanings

If you have the time please read through this , interesting insight to Thaksin meaning about demecracy which might explain why none of the Red could ever define what they meant about democracy. It was in this context that T made comments about the Generals being what Burma needed.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/11482/conve...ervice_inc.html

Other comments Arisman said he would be Culture Minister when asked by a reporter after the SC park escape, Same as SD said he would be head of the Army under new Gov. maybe loose talk or maybe part of the bonus plan.

[lilkitty]

Guys,

I think that is what we could very well see. The Thai government really puts it to these guys to give up Thaksin or face the hangman. They testify that he was behind it all. The government also has financial transactions. They go after those people. Same deal. They put it all on Thaksin. They dissolve the Peau Thai Party. Then they make it known that any future "Red Shirt Leaders" who claim to be willing to die better be prepared to actually do so.

Then, perhaps, with the help of the US/UK, they are able to extradite Thaksin from one of these nations (This will probably be harder as long as the international press keeps backing him up) and that is the end of the Thaksin era.

One thing I find a bit unbelievable in this whole story. Supposedly the government found hundreds of millions of Baht in the accounts of the red shirt leaders. Several red shirt leaders visited Thaksin in Dubai. Don't you think they would have opened accounts offshore and put the money there? Thaksin's money in Thailand was already confiscated, I don't think he would have put any more money on Thai accounts, and surely the red shirt leaders wouldn't have either.

[lilkitty]

As others have said ,last night seemingly pre-planned attack have brought the reasons for last two months activities into focus. With Arisman wanting to burn down Muslim mosques ( ethnic cleansing ) Thaksins aims have become clearer, to create a Thai version of Burma with Arisman as Minister of Culture , Weng as Information Minister, Jatuporn as Foreign Minister and Nattawut as Chief Creep and Thaksin as El Presidente for life.

Do you have a credible source for this statement? Or is that your opinion?

Hi , some sources ,some opinion , I am an observer and a resident , I pay tax here but as a farang I cant be involved in the way we can in our own countries. I have met Thaksin, lunched with him and just a couple of other people. it does not make me an expert in any sense but I have some feeling about him.

Comments

Re Mosques :Arisman -refer video clip in this posting,

Re Burma: opinion but based on Thaksins statements about the Burmese Generals doing a good job and that democracy has different meanings

If you have the time please read through this , interesting insight to Thaksin meaning about demecracy which might explain why none of the Red could ever define what they meant about democracy. It was in this context that T made comments about the Generals being what Burma needed.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/11482/conve...ervice_inc.html

Other comments Arisman said he would be Culture Minister when asked by a reporter after the SC park escape, Same as SD said he would be head of the Army under new Gov. maybe loose talk or maybe part of the bonus plan.

So, no real evidence then of Arisman saying he would be Culture Minister, etc.? Just "hear say"? That's fine.

[ovaltina]

I wonder what sentences these guys will get. If they get only 1-2 years they will do it again.

Well, there was some talk about the death sentence. Not sure if there's any truth to that, but if there is, it will probably do wonders to heal Thailand's already deep divisions.

I sincerely hope that ALL the main red leaders get the lethal injection, and that includes Jatuporn (whose jab I hope takes longer to work!!)

I think death penalty is too merciful. Gaffer-tape all of them to concrete chairs and force them to watch millions of hours of 'The Golden Girls'. Or Victoria Beckham singing videos. Until they swallow their own tongues.

In any case, they are now officially mass-murderers. Their actions have led directly to many deaths, and many broken, ruined families and businesses. If you believe in karma I suppose they can expect justice for many lifetimes to come.

[Netfan]

You've posted the same thing twice on different threads, so same question - that was over a year ago. You support the arson and looting, will you at least say you are against arsonists trying to kill fireman trying to put out the fires?

Why do you keep saying I support arson and looting? You're a liar, simple as that. I never said that. Please find where I said that and then quote me. Otherwise you're a liar, sorry. But you apparently have no answer to the fact that Newin is running his own private armed army without the legal consequences. So you have to make up lies to divert. Nice try.

And you have never condemned any action by the reds or leaders, including arson and looting. When you do that i will retract my statement. As for Newin, that was a year ago, and what does that have to do with red goons arson and looting other than you trying to divert attention away from it. Yes, Newin has his own army. So what? maybe Thaksin's boys should have thought of that before they attacked Newin;s father's house in CM the other night.

[ChouDoufu]

....Then, perhaps, with the help of the US/UK, they are able to extradite Thaksin from one of these nations (This will probably be harder as long as the international press keeps backing him up) and that is the end of the Thaksin era..

extradition? why bother? this is the age of extraordinary rendition!

[TheItaliann]

Its comical the way the amateur journalists always do a much, much better job getting actual useless footage. Probably because they are clueless and fearlessly wandering into the wrong places. That clip and the clip from Rajdomeon Ave, are the two best I have seen.

The CNN people are always huddled behind something safe

[JacknDanny]

Guys,

I think that is what we could very well see. The Thai government really puts it to these guys to give up Thaksin or face the hangman. They testify that he was behind it all. The government also has financial transactions. They go after those people. Same deal. They put it all on Thaksin. They dissolve the Peau Thai Party. Then they make it known that any future "Red Shirt Leaders" who claim to be willing to die better be prepared to actually do so.

Then, perhaps, with the help of the US/UK, they are able to extradite Thaksin from one of these nations (This will probably be harder as long as the international press keeps backing him up) and that is the end of the Thaksin era.

One thing I find a bit unbelievable in this whole story. Supposedly the government found hundreds of millions of Baht in the accounts of the red shirt leaders. Several red shirt leaders visited Thaksin in Dubai. Don't you think they would have opened accounts offshore and put the money there? Thaksin's money in Thailand was already confiscated, I don't think he would have put any more money on Thai accounts, and surely the red shirt leaders wouldn't have either.

I am sure they all have o/s accounts, but the money over here was to fund operations and pay these scum bags on a day by day basis.

A lot cheaper and more convenient than having every guy hop on airplane every few days to visit the paymaster in whatever country he is in.

[lilkitty]

Guys,

I think that is what we could very well see. The Thai government really puts it to these guys to give up Thaksin or face the hangman. They testify that he was behind it all. The government also has financial transactions. They go after those people. Same deal. They put it all on Thaksin. They dissolve the Peau Thai Party. Then they make it known that any future "Red Shirt Leaders" who claim to be willing to die better be prepared to actually do so.

Then, perhaps, with the help of the US/UK, they are able to extradite Thaksin from one of these nations (This will probably be harder as long as the international press keeps backing him up) and that is the end of the Thaksin era.

One thing I find a bit unbelievable in this whole story. Supposedly the government found hundreds of millions of Baht in the accounts of the red shirt leaders. Several red shirt leaders visited Thaksin in Dubai. Don't you think they would have opened accounts offshore and put the money there? Thaksin's money in Thailand was already confiscated, I don't think he would have put any more money on Thai accounts, and surely the red shirt leaders wouldn't have either.

I am sure they all have o/s accounts, but the money over here was to fund operations and pay these scum bags on a day by day basis.

A lot cheaper and more convenient than having every guy hop on airplane every few days to visit the paymaster in whatever country he is in.

Possible, but there's also a problem with that. Arisman, Jatuporn, Weng or Veera couldn't just walk away from the rally site to make a withdrawal for 30 million Baht per day (what the rally supposedly cost per day) at the nearest ATM. And all bank branches were closed nearby. They most likely had the money somewhere in cash.

[ovaltina]

Guys,

I think that is what we could very well see. The Thai government really puts it to these guys to give up Thaksin or face the hangman. They testify that he was behind it all. The government also has financial transactions. They go after those people. Same deal. They put it all on Thaksin. They dissolve the Peau Thai Party. Then they make it known that any future "Red Shirt Leaders" who claim to be willing to die better be prepared to actually do so.

Then, perhaps, with the help of the US/UK, they are able to extradite Thaksin from one of these nations (This will probably be harder as long as the international press keeps backing him up) and that is the end of the Thaksin era.

One thing I find a bit unbelievable in this whole story. Supposedly the government found hundreds of millions of Baht in the accounts of the red shirt leaders. Several red shirt leaders visited Thaksin in Dubai. Don't you think they would have opened accounts offshore and put the money there? Thaksin's money in Thailand was already confiscated, I don't think he would have put any more money on Thai accounts, and surely the red shirt leaders wouldn't have either.

I am sure they all have o/s accounts, but the money over here was to fund operations and pay these scum bags on a day by day basis.

A lot cheaper and more convenient than having every guy hop on airplane every few days to visit the paymaster in whatever country he is in.

Possible, but there's also a problem with that. Arisman, Jatuporn, Weng or Veera couldn't just walk away from the rally site to make a withdrawal for 30 million Baht per day (what the rally supposedly cost per day) at the nearest ATM. And all bank branches were closed nearby. They most likely had the money somewhere in cash.

The ATM's were ram-raided, looted and torched. By the 'We Just Want Democracy' sociological philosophers in the red bandanas.

[MaxLee]

They plea???? Oh my...

[rosmci]

I wonder what sentences these guys will get. If they get only 1-2 years they will do it again.

Well, there was some talk about the death sentence. Not sure if there's any truth to that, but if there is, it will probably do wonders to heal Thailand's already deep divisions.

Se Daeng already got his Death Sentence.... Next..!!

Next? Goodbye mobs tiring of rampages.

Welcome deep south, centre north and northeast. Bombs, arsonists, snipers, guerilla-style.

[rabo]

Guys,

I think that is what we could very well see. The Thai government really puts it to these guys to give up Thaksin or face the hangman. They testify that he was behind it all. The government also has financial transactions. They go after those people. Same deal. They put it all on Thaksin. They dissolve the Peau Thai Party. Then they make it known that any future "Red Shirt Leaders" who claim to be willing to die better be prepared to actually do so.

Then, perhaps, with the help of the US/UK, they are able to extradite Thaksin from one of these nations (This will probably be harder as long as the international press keeps backing him up) and that is the end of the Thaksin era.

One thing I find a bit unbelievable in this whole story. Supposedly the government found hundreds of millions of Baht in the accounts of the red shirt leaders. Several red shirt leaders visited Thaksin in Dubai. Don't you think they would have opened accounts offshore and put the money there? Thaksin's money in Thailand was already confiscated, I don't think he would have put any more money on Thai accounts, and surely the red shirt leaders wouldn't have either.

Your argument is hard to believe, for one thing it is illegal to take money out of the country without declaring it. These measures apply to Thais precisely to prevent corruption and illegal payments of this kind. It would be impossible for several of the leaders to do this without detection.

[zigistar]

I have no words for this idiot's behaviour!!!!!

note. obv talking about the guy in black and not the maker of the video!!!

Edited May 20, 2010 by zigistar

[lilkitty]

Guys,

I think that is what we could very well see. The Thai government really puts it to these guys to give up Thaksin or face the hangman. They testify that he was behind it all. The government also has financial transactions. They go after those people. Same deal. They put it all on Thaksin. They dissolve the Peau Thai Party. Then they make it known that any future "Red Shirt Leaders" who claim to be willing to die better be prepared to actually do so.

Then, perhaps, with the help of the US/UK, they are able to extradite Thaksin from one of these nations (This will probably be harder as long as the international press keeps backing him up) and that is the end of the Thaksin era.

One thing I find a bit unbelievable in this whole story. Supposedly the government found hundreds of millions of Baht in the accounts of the red shirt leaders. Several red shirt leaders visited Thaksin in Dubai. Don't you think they would have opened accounts offshore and put the money there? Thaksin's money in Thailand was already confiscated, I don't think he would have put any more money on Thai accounts, and surely the red shirt leaders wouldn't have either.

Your argument is hard to believe, for one thing it is illegal to take money out of the country without declaring it. These measures apply to Thais precisely to prevent corruption and illegal payments of this kind. It would be impossible for several of the leaders to do this without detection.

I said nothing about taking money out of Thailand. Thaksin is in Dubai, so clearly any money used to fund the red shirts would have come into Thailand. The money I'm talking about is the money that the red shirt leaders allegedly received from Thaksin as payment. It's just hard to believe they would keep it in Thai bank accounts, since Thaksin's accounts were frozen and they must have surely known about the government keeping an eye on all their accounts.

[rabo]

Your argument is hard to believe, for one thing it is illegal to take money out of the country without declaring it. These measures apply to Thais precisely to prevent corruption and illegal payments of this kind. It would be impossible for several of the leaders to do this without detection.

I said nothing about taking money out of Thailand. Thaksin is in Dubai, so clearly any money used to fund the red shirts would have come into Thailand. The money I'm talking about is the money that the red shirt leaders allegedly received from Thaksin as payment. It's just hard to believe they would keep it in Thai bank accounts, since Thaksin's accounts were frozen and they must have surely known about the government keeping an eye on all their accounts.

I thought Thaksin was in Montenegro, no?

Edited May 20, 2010 by rabo

[cdnverbalkint]

I said nothing about taking money out of Thailand. Thaksin is in Dubai, so clearly any money used to fund the red shirts would have come into Thailand. The money I'm talking about is the money that the red shirt leaders allegedly received from Thaksin as payment. It's just hard to believe they would keep it in Thai bank accounts, since Thaksin's accounts were frozen and they must have surely known about the government keeping an eye on all their accounts.

I suggest you go read up on international money laundering laws and regulations for KYC and movement activities.. you will see that once again you are simply throwing out a red herring to try to obscure what is obvious to everyone else as to where the money came from. I knew cats liked fish but your obsession is borderline insanity....