Thai Troops Hunt Militants As Bangkok Smoulders

[kmj]

Peaceful, unarmed protestors:

BBC video of #redshirts firing M16's: http://is.gd/cih90 /via @sternos #bangkok

Ah, but our TV red apologists claim those are not 'real reds'....haha.

Yes, Yes, Goverment all good, Reds all bad. It must be very simple when you only see in black and white...

[Thailand]

Do you think the death penalty can be used for most of the red shirt leaders? Just dig a ditch, throw them all in, and bury them alive. That or throw them out of a helicopter over the ocean....

It would not surprise me to see some of them in government positions within a couple of years, not exactly a precedent. Happened in quite few countries.

Those that stood and advocated the burning, they most definitely need to be put away for a very long time if not the ultimate penalty.

[Netfan]

The attempted coup's "grass roots" support (if it ever existed) is clearly not evident now. There are no masses uprising in the provinces, not even in Thaksins home province.

This is such a critical point.

What should be added is that throughout the reds occupation of Bangkok, not one neighbourhood and not one workers' group came out and joined them.

The reds are an enemy of the working class.

The red apologists are clearly deluding themselves as to their support.

Maybe not a whole neighborhood but many locals joined them as their numbers increased each lunch time and evening. Of course they might just have been there for the entertainment

I just hope they can get on with it. They alll have red hearts and are all Thai's

After this past 2 months i am sure this goverment and the next one will add reform that will benifit the Reds up in Essan.

They already had. Free education program, improving 30 baht health scheme, trying to get rid of middle-man rice scam, social security, debt forgiveness for farmers. More than Thaksin ever did.

[teacher50]

After this past 2 months i am sure this goverment and the next one will add reform that will benifit the Reds up in Essan.

They already had. Free education program, improving 30 baht health scheme, trying to get rid of middle-man rice scam, social security, debt forgiveness for farmers. More than Thaksin ever did.

Details please. Why aren't the reds aware of these benefits?

[pornsasi]

After this past 2 months i am sure this goverment and the next one will add reform that will benifit the Reds up in Essan.

They already had. Free education program, improving 30 baht health scheme, trying to get rid of middle-man rice scam, social security, debt forgiveness for farmers. More than Thaksin ever did.

Details please. Why aren't the reds aware of these benefits?

Yes one can only wonder . Well most is just talk so far as far as i know .

[pornsasi]

Peaceful, unarmed protestors:

BBC video of #redshirts firing M16's: http://is.gd/cih90 /via @sternos #bangkok

Ah, but our TV red apologists claim those are not 'real reds'....haha.

Yes, Yes, Goverment all good, Reds all bad. It must be very simple when you only see in black and white...

Thais who kill other thais in a temple cannot be good people , sorry to say

[gemini81]

After this past 2 months i am sure this goverment and the next one will add reform that will benifit the Reds up in Essan.

They already had. Free education program, improving 30 baht health scheme, trying to get rid of middle-man rice scam, social security, debt forgiveness for farmers. More than Thaksin ever did.

Details please. Why aren't the reds aware of these benefits?

Yes one can only wonder . Well most is just talk so far as far as i know .

never satisfied with their fair share, like their demagogue.

[pornsasi]

never satisfied with their fair share, like their demagogue.

Not the question , but its just talk so far . You want the truth or not ?

Never seen dems something for Issan , if they do that will

be a pleasant surprise

[iciparis]

So how many people have actually been detained after all this? I see hundreds going home on buses but very few of the "terrorists" being apprehended.

was wednesday night at payathai police station, and several people were brought in, some of them Burmese and cambodian nationals.

didn't get if they were arrested for looting or other matters, but police was not friendly with them

[pornsasi]

never satisfied with their fair share, like their demagogue.

And why THEIR demagogue . Did i say am pro Thaksin ?

You will never find a post of me saying Thaksin is good

quite the contrary .

So dont put words in my mouth .

[iciparis]

never satisfied with their fair share, like their demagogue.

And why THEIR demagogue . Did i say am pro Thaksin ?

You will never find a post of me saying Thaksin is good

quite the contrary .

So dont put words in my mouth .

But enough post suggest you support the red-terrorists

[hokibob]

why are they even letting anyone go home?

they were all part of a illegal protest, they defied the orders to leave, they helped create the situation there is today, hence they should all be going to jail, not home.

Does government has money to feed those protesters when they go to prison?? if they cant then they would be called genocide to let those protesters die by not providing basis needs..Even in california now state prison has to let free some prisoners as the state was going to bankcrupt...

[Rimmer]

One post deleted and two quoted replies

[pornsasi]

Peaceful, unarmed protestors:

BBC video of #redshirts firing M16's: http://is.gd/cih90 /via @sternos #bangkok

A few armed reds extremists among thousands of reds does not make the movement

an armed insurrection .

And the thai marines are trained by the US in non lethal means of dispersing/arresting protesters

No excuses for the many killings including of journalists

[pornsasi]

never satisfied with their fair share, like their demagogue.

And why THEIR demagogue . Did i say am pro Thaksin ?

You will never find a post of me saying Thaksin is good

quite the contrary .

So dont put words in my mouth .

But enough post suggest you support the red-terrorists

I dont support murderers from army shooting dead civilians in a temple .

Those are the real terrorists .

I have some sympathie for many of the red grievances .

I dont approve of arson and destruction of property

[Robby nz]

Its like this in this forum

Thais who kill other thais in a temple cannot be good people , sorry to say

Well Pornsasi you have just posted an assumption that the Govt killed the people in the temple,(and now you have said it

I dont support murderers from army shooting dead civilians in a temple

). this has not been determined so lets look at what we know so far:

Dont know if you watch Thai TV but if you did you would know by now that those 7 (yes 7, 1 was taken to hospital and died there) killed in the temple were all red cross workers clearly identified by red cross insignia.

They were all shot either in the head or chest, clearly carfully aimed shots meant to kill not random fire from troops outside.

So we could reasonably make an assumption that it was a sniper who targeted them on purpose..

We know the army employed snipers but we also know they there are other snipers who have been targeting the Army, ambulance workers, firemen and others.

The army have been very carefull to keep casultys to a minimum (you will argue this but it is true) so why would an army sniper deliberatly target red cross workers inside a temple helping those who have gone there for shelter? What would the army or Govt have to gain from such an act?

On the other hand We have the other snipers who have already shot an ambulance man and at firemen and although they know it is over are still trying to cause as much trouble as possible and could possibly see this as an opportunity to try to make the Govt look bad.

So who is more likely to have pulled the trigger on those trying to help?

I agree Thais who kill other thais in cannot be good people specially those who throw bombs and grenades and much worse are those who incite others to carry out these random acts.

Edited May 21, 2010 by Robby nz

[Rimmer]

One 'hang em high' post deleted and several quoted replies

[gemini81]

never satisfied with their fair share, like their demagogue.

And why THEIR demagogue . Did i say am pro Thaksin ?

You will never find a post of me saying Thaksin is good

quite the contrary .

So dont put words in my mouth .

But enough post suggest you support the red-terrorists

I only made a statement based on his comments. he's on defense like red shirts behind gas soaked tires. simmer down!

[GarryP]

Do you think the death penalty can be used for most of the red shirt leaders? Just dig a ditch, throw them all in, and bury them alive. That or throw them out of a helicopter over the ocean....

that is a stupid comment tominbkk.

i live in a small village in ubon, where the people are mostly reds although only 2 went to bkk and returned after 3 days back in april. but the problems the people here have been brainwashed by thaksins populist policies and that is REAL...so what does this mean? it means alot of the reds are normal people who are generally from the country and are simple people(no offense). so you cant just say kill the leaders or these simpletons (paid by thakin etc) will be told to fight for the cause again and again...

also thailand is very corrupt even in a small village of 250 people there are vote buying schemes. my wife told me she got 500 baht for voting! so people here think its normal to except money to follow like the poor sheep they are...

peace to thailand...the poor/rural people desevre more, there are REAL poor people in this country

That's exactly the point and I am wondering why this fact is noit dicussed more! Everone who knows poeple form such villages is fully aware of the payments they get for each vote. Even on the local vollage level. As long as this is going on any democracy will fail misarably.

So let me get this straight, they like the populist policies because they get money, they voted for TRT and its reincarnations after selling their votes for money, and they have the nerve to come to Bangkok to protest the loss/lack of democracy (and in many cases paid money for doing so). Something stinks. If you sold your vote to begin with you have nothing to protest. That in itself would have reduced the protesters numbers by about half, I would guess.

Yes, many people in the countryside are poor and have quite hard lives but they need to understand that selling their vote will only put a few meals on the table.

It is a real pity that so many of them are so easily mislead (due to lack of education? gullible) and become pawns to people who really couldn't give a shit anyway.

I think the bottom line must be education as without it Thailand will never really develop its full potential, which would benefit rich and poor alike, red, yellow, green, blue, whatever. Simplistic, certainly, but valid I believe.

[gemini81]

never satisfied with their fair share, like their demagogue.

And why THEIR demagogue . Did i say am pro Thaksin ?

You will never find a post of me saying Thaksin is good

quite the contrary .

So dont put words in my mouth .

But enough post suggest you support the red-terrorists

I dont support murderers from army shooting dead civilians in a temple .

Those are the real terrorists .

I have some sympathie for many of the red grievances .

I dont approve of arson and destruction of property

so you DO support them then! Be honest and get it straight, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. You support them or you don't.

Translating this into a straightforward response, I think you mean that you think the soldiers are the terrorists who shot the (in your opinion) "innocent" people in the temple. That is what you are clearly saying.

[pornsasi]

Its like this in this forum

Thais who kill other thais in a temple cannot be good people , sorry to say

Well Pornsasi you have just posted an assumption that the Govt killed the people in the temple,(and now you have said it

I dont support murderers from army shooting dead civilians in a temple

). this has not been determined so lets look at what we know so far:

Dont know if you watch Thai TV but if you did you would know by now that those 7 (yes 7, 1 was taken to hospital and died there) killed in the temple were all red cross workers clearly identified by red cross insignia.

They were all shot either in the head or chest, clearly carfully aimed shots meant to kill not random fire from troops outside.

So we could reasonably make an assumption that it was a sniper who targeted them on purpose..

We know the army employed snipers but we also know they there are other snipers who have been targeting the Army, ambulance workers, firemen and others.

The army have been very carefull to keep casultys to a minimum (you will argue this but it is true) so why would an army sniper deliberatly target red cross workers inside a temple helping those who have gone there for shelter? What would the army or Govt have to gain from such an act?

On the other hand We have the other snipers who have already shot an ambulance man and at firemen and although they know it is over are still trying to cause as much trouble as possible and could possibly see this as an opportunity to try to make the Govt look bad.

So who is more likely to have pulled the trigger on those trying to help?

I agree Thais who kill other thais in cannot be good people specially those who throw bombs and grenades and much worse are those who incite others to carry out these random acts.

Snipers from army , who else ? Are you saying it was reds who shot them ?

You cant be serious .

As for your sentence , yes army has been careful so much so that they even

shot innocent journalists . From what i heard in BBC and CNN ,the army was

shooting randomly .

And finally look at the fatal casualties among the reds and compare to those

among the army , that should give you a clue .

Edited May 21, 2010 by pornsasi

[pornsasi]

so you DO support them then! Be honest and get it straight, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. You support them or you don't.

Translating this into a straightforward response, I think you mean that you think the soldiers are the terrorists who shot the (in your opinion) "innocent" people in the temple. That is what you are clearly saying.

Did i say "innocent" . I said civilians .

Of course for you everything is in black and white

[gemini81]

so you DO support them then! Be honest and get it straight, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. You support them or you don't.

Translating this into a straightforward response, I think you mean that you think the soldiers are the terrorists who shot the (in your opinion) "innocent" people in the temple. That is what you are clearly saying.

Did i say "innocent" . I said civilians .

Of course for you everything is in black and white

it's a much easier deal than treading paths of contradictions, you set a fine example for us all to see.

Lucky to be alive after nearly being hit by bombs and the shots fired from reds Wed at Sukhumvit. They troops were absent there for a while, until a helipcoter appeared. only the red supporting terrorizers were there present.

don't you see the tool the reds are using to play "victim" by hiding in the temples? Certainly, you have enough common sense to see that Porn?

Well, if you think the troops are responsible for everything, explain the bullet type and proximity of the shots to sae daeng. came from within the camp. many would say this served the purpose to get the bloodshed the reds were waiting for.

[nitecm]

They already had. Free education program, improving 30 baht health scheme, trying to get rid of middle-man rice scam, social security, debt forgiveness for farmers. More than Thaksin ever did.

But compare with last time ,the situation is not improving .

[pornsasi]

it's a much easier deal than treading paths of contradictions, you set a fine example for us all to see.

Lucky to be alive after nearly being hit by bombs and the shots fired from reds Wed at Sukhumvit. They troops were absent there for a while, until a helipcoter appeared. only the red supporting terrorizers were there present.

don't you see the tool the reds are using to play "victim" by hiding in the temples? Certainly, you have enough common sense to see that Porn?

Well, if you think the troops are responsible for everything, explain the bullet type and proximity of the shots to sae daeng. came from within the camp. many would say this served the purpose to get the bloodshed the reds were waiting for.

What i said is that the army should have used tear gas , water canon and rubber bullets OVERWHELMINGLY .

In which case they would have my support because the governement had to reply to the sling shots

and molotov cocktail

Instead they systematically used live ammos and killed many innocents .

Triggering an armed response by those few red extremist idiots who had access to arms

mainly stolen from army

The reds killed Sae Daeng to give themselves an excuse to exit their perimeter ?

Is that what you imply ? If yes i must be dreaming ...

[gemini81]

it's a much easier deal than treading paths of contradictions, you set a fine example for us all to see.

Lucky to be alive after nearly being hit by bombs and the shots fired from reds Wed at Sukhumvit. They troops were absent there for a while, until a helipcoter appeared. only the red supporting terrorizers were there present.

don't you see the tool the reds are using to play "victim" by hiding in the temples? Certainly, you have enough common sense to see that Porn?

Well, if you think the troops are responsible for everything, explain the bullet type and proximity of the shots to sae daeng. came from within the camp. many would say this served the purpose to get the bloodshed the reds were waiting for.

What i said is that the army should have used tear gas , water canon and rubber bullets OVERWHELMINGLY .

In which case they would have my support because the governement had to reply to the sling shots

and molotov cocktail

Instead they systematically used live ammos and killed many innocents .

Triggering an armed response by those few red extremist idiots who had access to arms

mainly stolen from army

The reds killed Sae Daeng to give themselves an excuse to exit their perimeter ?

Is that what you imply ? If yes i must be dreaming ...

you're selectively listening. The demagogue and the red leaders themselves have said bloodshed would help their case as martyrs, as a case in their defense. the more martyrs the merrier for them, to bring their case to international courts, or the UN. Only that back fired too.

They did use overwhelming force.

Didn't you see the videos of the massive forces on April 10/11 that was used, only for red shirts to storm loot and then destroy all the army's trucks, and injured scores of troops.

Little sympathy for starting a fire and bringing about hel_l and terror, then putting on fake monk's clothes and playing the role of innocent.

[selftaopath]

So how many people have actually been detained after all this? I see hundreds going home on buses but very few of the "terrorists" being apprehended.

For a few minutes I watched local TV. I was appalled. These rioters were politely escorted to waiting bus', which were not overcrowded as the general population must endure daily. They waved "by by" hug hug, see you next time, smile smile, wave wave. I still can't believe it. Were they identified before escorted to the bus? The sight was sickening. And now the BIB are chasing after the ones that "escaped." How could they escape if the rioters locations were surrounded????? Another pathetic display of inefficiency IMO.

Oh my achin back.

[gemini81]

anyone get a warning for safety message in their phone like me ????(in Thai), it says seh daeng's men in black may be on the prowl tonight, and not to enter khlong toey or din daeng.

I'll take that warning! (I have 1 2 call...so who knows! but better safe than sorry. I suppose there's a reason for the curfews!

[Robby nz]

I see on Thai TV that the red leaders are not being held in cells at the Cha-am army base but in the VIP accommodation used by visiting dignetaries, there have apparantly been photos taken of Weera and Nuttawat relaxing on the beach which is only a few metres from their accommodation???????????

[AleG]

it's a much easier deal than treading paths of contradictions, you set a fine example for us all to see.

Lucky to be alive after nearly being hit by bombs and the shots fired from reds Wed at Sukhumvit. They troops were absent there for a while, until a helipcoter appeared. only the red supporting terrorizers were there present.

don't you see the tool the reds are using to play "victim" by hiding in the temples? Certainly, you have enough common sense to see that Porn?

Well, if you think the troops are responsible for everything, explain the bullet type and proximity of the shots to sae daeng. came from within the camp. many would say this served the purpose to get the bloodshed the reds were waiting for.

What i said is that the army should have used tear gas , water canon and rubber bullets OVERWHELMINGLY .

In which case they would have my support because the governement had to reply to the sling shots

and molotov cocktail

Instead they systematically used live ammos and killed many innocents .

They tried that on May 10th until grenades and bullets coming from the red shirt side started to kill and injure soldiers.

You know the evidence is incontrovertible, there is an armed faction of the red shirt movement that doesn't have qualms on shooting people, security forces and civilians alike.