Are Journalists Biased?

[chaoyang]

But the Reds violent platform is the greatest impediment to getting what they need in a timely fashion.

I hate to say it, but I don't think the average American or their government ever took the Muslim world seriously until 9/11. The Reds have now gotten people's attention -- the question is will their needs be addressed or just papered over?

Sorry, but the vested powers in Thailand just have it so damned good they are not going to give up any of their vast prerogatives unless they know there will be serious consequences if they don't.

Abhisit would do well to take a few pages from the Thaksin playbook-- throw the rest away -- and see if he can be an instrument of true social change in Thailand.

[burleychassis]

Pictures speak more than words

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle7133440.ece

Big guns, tiny willies and no balls at all. The army turns against its people to keep a few old men in power.

Many in this country are trying to ignore the fact that the army had to come out again last week to keep them in power, whilst the government cowered in the bunker in the army camp. Each and every one of the red shirts has shown more bravery than any on the government hide and seek committee.

Anupong who could have retired as a statesman is now a considered to have betrayed the people (one last time) but surely must have been surprised at how many they killed while he was turning his back.

[thecottonmill]

Have people here seen this ?

[ChemiseRouge]

Unfortunately, the answer to the question posed is, 'YES'.

There was a mistaken belief by some that the Red Shirt leadership were in it for the people,

and not the cynical power grab that it was.

As for CNN lionising Khun Dan of the many Rivers.

It is particularly nauseating watching the endless repeats of looped 'highlights'

of the intrepid soi condo squirrel.

Twitter & this site easily out-tweeted Mr Rivers, who barely gave us more than

updates on his domestic difficulties.

Watching 'duck & cover Leithead' of the beeb doing the Lumpini limbo was at least entertaining

& certainly more informative.

Meanwhile a number of faceless pundits blogged, tweeted & even cycled around

giving those who cared far more pertinent and accurate news,

without the hype & ill-informed speculation that is needed to fill 24 hours of rolling news-for-tainment.

Chicken Noodle News - little more than tasteless visual wallpaper.

[LaoPo]

Interesting re: The Nation

Shareholder data: http://www.nationgroup.com/invester_3.php

Dow Jones & Company, Inc., New York 12,000,000 7.28%

Board of directors: http://www.set.or.th/set/companyprofile.do...&country=US

Mrs. CHRISTINE LUCIE DEBIAIS BRENDLE DIRECTOR (Francais)

(Christine Brendle is the Managing Director of Dow Jones Consumer Media Group in Asia)

http://www.thomascrampton.com/media/christine-brendle/

-----

The Dow Jones Company publishes " The Wall Street Journal" ,Wall Street Journal,Barron's Magazine ,Dow Jones Newswires ,Dow Jones Indexes ,Dow Jones Financial Information Services ,Factiva ,Far Eastern Economic Review ,MarketWatch.com ,SmartMoney ,Vedomosti ,FiLife.com... etc

who owns Dow Jones? - News_Corporation aka Rupert Murdoch aka Fox News aka far right nutcase.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_Corporation

Besides, you're quoting from Wikipedia which is a bunch of pseudos who, if not for Reader's Digest, would seldom get published anywhere else.

Well, you've always an answer if it doesn't suit you but you seldom or never come up with facts, proving otherwise than the information in Wiki but let me make it easy for you Mr. Publicus...

Facts are that the Nation Multimedia Group to which The Nation belongs didn't make a single Baht of profit in the past 4 years and is losing money heavily. That's not very promising for a company that is listed at the Thai SET at a P/E of an astonishing 38 times. Would you pay 38 times for a company, losing money?

I wouldn't for sure but the people that own the NMG have another agenda; hidden to the outside world of normal people in the streets who "just" read news...

The NMG is a powerful tool for the owners and they don't care about the heavy losses; the power they have via the Media as such is IMMENSELY more important to them than the losses by the NMG.

Also facts are that the numbers 3 - 4 and 5 largest shareholders are in the same group and represent some 26% of paid up capital; guess who belongs to that group Mr. Publicus ?

Right: Dow Jones - New York with 7.28%

"Remark

The following are shareholders in the same group and will cast their votes in the same direction:

1. Mr. Thanachai Theerapattanavong

2. Mr. Suthichai Yoon

3. Dow Jones & Company, Inc., New York

These shareholders hold total of 42,872,363 shares, representing 26.02% of paid up capital."

From their own website (not Wiki Publicus ): http://www.nationgroup.com/invester_3.php

I bet those 3 shareholders are not voting against the first 2 largest Shareholders, Mrs. Somporn Jungrungreangkit* (who belongs to the richest families in Thailand) and Pridapramote Co., Ltd.; all five together combined have a majority of 54.07% of the total votes in NMG.

The other shareholders are also in one way or another related to one another and/or the first 5 shareholders; check the facts if you wish.

But.....I'm sure you're not overly interested in the shareholders' powers of the NMG.

What's much more interesting is that the *Jungrungreangkit family (family of then-Minister of Transport Mr. Suriya Jungrungreangkit who is the brother in Law of Mrs. Somporn) has been buying shares in the NMG since 2003...during the Thaksin Administration !!

I wonder if Thaksin knew about this

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-119553813.html

Most interesting is that all these people belong to Thai/Chinese families....including Thaksin's.

Everything is related back to the Establishments' & Elite's Powers and WHO is able to control and steer the country (from behind the velvet curtains)...and news media are extremely important tools to "inform" your watchers the way YOU want.

Nothing more.

The country is STILL ruled and controlled by the powerful and Elite Thai/Chinese families and it depends on which table they're dining together....

LaoPo

Edited May 27, 2010 by LaoPo

[chaoyang]

Forbes 'Richest" List, 2006:

Somporn Jungrungreangkit is the only woman in the top 10. Ranked 10th with a net worth of $420 million, Ms Somporn took over the reins of Thai Summit, one of the country's largest auto-parts groups, after her husband's death in 2002. She now oversees more than a dozen companies as the group president. Her brother-in-law, Suriya Jungrungreangkit, is the acting deputy prime minister (this apears to be while Thaksin was still in power).

From Thai Summit website:

Thai Summit Group is one of the leaders in automotive parts, motorcycle parts, agricultural machinery and electrical appliance industry. From its conception in 1977 , Thai Summit Group has expanded to include over 30 companies under its umbrella, including totally owned companies, as well as joint ventures with multinational companies. Its product lines include press parts, assembly parts, plastic injection parts, plastic blow molding parts, aluminium die-casting, wiring harmesses, chassis, stamping dies, assembly jigs and tooling with production bases in Samutprakarn, Laem Chabang, Rayong, Ayudhya, Nakornnayok, Malaysia and India. Total sales of the group is higher than Baht 20,000 Million Baht.

From me:

I briefly worked at the Nation for Suthichai Yoon in 1991. What a sweatshop ... I also find it interesting that unlike other wealthy and wealthy-wannabe Sino-Thais, he has not taken on a Thai family name and continues to use his Chinese surname (Yun). He would be in the wannabe category of wealth. It always amazed me that the Nation remained in business, then branched out into broadcast media, given that by all outward appearances, the paper rarely, if ever, turned a profit down through the years. Some other revenue stream seems to keep it afloat; perhaps the group was involved in real estate too; or perhaps it has extremely wealthy friends.

[wayfarer108]

As for CNN lionising Khun Dan of the many Rivers.

It is particularly nauseating watching the endless repeats of looped 'highlights'

of the intrepid soi condo squirrel.

Twitter & this site easily out-tweeted Mr Rivers, who barely gave us more than

updates on his domestic difficulties.

The Thais I know call him 'Daeng Rivers.'

[lannarebirth]

As for CNN lionising Khun Dan of the many Rivers.

It is particularly nauseating watching the endless repeats of looped 'highlights'

of the intrepid soi condo squirrel.

Twitter & this site easily out-tweeted Mr Rivers, who barely gave us more than

updates on his domestic difficulties.

The Thais I know call him 'Daeng Rivers.'

[Publicus]

Interesting re: The Nation

Shareholder data: http://www.nationgroup.com/invester_3.php

Dow Jones & Company, Inc., New York 12,000,000 7.28%

Board of directors: http://www.set.or.th/set/companyprofile.do...&country=US

Mrs. CHRISTINE LUCIE DEBIAIS BRENDLE DIRECTOR (Francais)

(Christine Brendle is the Managing Director of Dow Jones Consumer Media Group in Asia)

http://www.thomascrampton.com/media/christine-brendle/

-----

The Dow Jones Company publishes " The Wall Street Journal" ,Wall Street Journal,Barron's Magazine ,Dow Jones Newswires ,Dow Jones Indexes ,Dow Jones Financial Information Services ,Factiva ,Far Eastern Economic Review ,MarketWatch.com ,SmartMoney ,Vedomosti ,FiLife.com... etc

who owns Dow Jones? - News_Corporation aka Rupert Murdoch aka Fox News aka far right nutcase.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_Corporation

Besides, you're quoting from Wikipedia which is a bunch of pseudos who, if not for Reader's Digest, would seldom get published anywhere else.

Well, you've always an answer if it doesn't suit you but you seldom or never come up with facts, proving otherwise than the information in Wiki but let me make it easy for you Mr. Publicus...

Facts are that the Nation Multimedia Group to which The Nation belongs didn't make a single Baht of profit in the past 4 years and is losing money heavily. That's not very promising for a company that is listed at the Thai SET at a P/E of an astonishing 38 times. Would you pay 38 times for a company, losing money?

I wouldn't for sure but the people that own the NMG have another agenda; hidden to the outside world of normal people in the streets who "just" read news...

The NMG is a powerful tool for the owners and they don't care about the heavy losses; the power they have via the Media as such is IMMENSELY more important to them than the losses by the NMG.

Also facts are that the numbers 3 - 4 and 5 largest shareholders are in the same group and represent some 26% of paid up capital; guess who belongs to that group Mr. Publicus ?

Right: Dow Jones - New York with 7.28%

"Remark

The following are shareholders in the same group and will cast their votes in the same direction:

1. Mr. Thanachai Theerapattanavong

2. Mr. Suthichai Yoon

3. Dow Jones & Company, Inc., New York

These shareholders hold total of 42,872,363 shares, representing 26.02% of paid up capital."

From their own website (not Wiki Publicus ): http://www.nationgroup.com/invester_3.php

I bet those 3 shareholders are not voting against the first 2 largest Shareholders, Mrs. Somporn Jungrungreangkit* (who belongs to the richest families in Thailand) and Pridapramote Co., Ltd.; all five together combined have a majority of 54.07% of the total votes in NMG.

The other shareholders are also in one way or another related to one another and/or the first 5 shareholders; check the facts if you wish.

But.....I'm sure you're not overly interested in the shareholders' powers of the NMG.

What's much more interesting is that the *Jungrungreangkit family (family of then-Minister of Transport Mr. Suriya Jungrungreangkit who is the brother in Law of Mrs. Somporn) has been buying shares in the NMG since 2003...during the Thaksin Administration !!

I wonder if Thaksin knew about this

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-119553813.html

Most interesting is that all these people belong to Thai/Chinese families....including Thaksin's.

Everything is related back to the Establishments' & Elite's Powers and WHO is able to control and steer the country (from behind the velvet curtains)...and news media are extremely important tools to "inform" your watchers the way YOU want.

Nothing more.

The country is STILL ruled and controlled by the powerful and Elite Thai/Chinese families and it depends on which table they're dining together....

LaoPo

LaoPo you have a few facts you like inserted in a post of your opinions, interpretations, theorizing, imaginings, some conspiracy stuff, some reference to national origin and much more - all of which is fine as this a forum where we can do these things, and do do these things. You surmise much also, which too is fine. And then you throw in the kitchen sink by referring to that ubiquitous, endemic  "elite."

As you quote a vague statement saying certain shareholders "vote in the same direction," show me the votes of the owners of NMG and how the owners you focus on vote in specific certain directions - I'm talking about a pattern of votes as a group by the shareholders of your focus. Give specific instances of how the shareholders of your focus agree to vote to manipulate and manage public opinion. Reveal to all of us the patters of specific decisions and/or votes to which you refer. 

You can't, can you. Which is the whole point. Neither can I. No one can post here how shareholders of NMG reach their decisions of any kind. Which means you can choose your facts then spin and embellish them to suit yourself. So now you have selected your facts and written to suit yourself. 

Enjoy.

[Crushdepth]

International media - I think its more a case of laziness (to do research) and ignorance, rather than 'bias'.

[LaoPo]

LaoPo you have a few facts you like inserted in a post of your opinions, interpretations, theorizing, imaginings, some conspiracy stuff, some reference to national origin and much more - all of which is fine as this a forum where we can do these things, and do do these things.

You surmise much also, which too is fine. And then you throw in the kitchen sink by referring to that ubiquitous, endemic  "elite."

As you quote a vague statement saying certain shareholders "vote in the same direction," show me the votes of the owners of NMG and how the owners you focus on vote in specific certain directions -

I'm talking about a pattern of votes as a group by the shareholders of your focus. Give specific instances of how the shareholders of your focus agree to vote to manipulate and manage public opinion. Reveal to all of us the patters of specific decisions and/or votes to which you refer. 

You can't, can you. Which is the whole point. Neither can I. No one can post here how shareholders of NMG reach their decisions of any kind. Which means you can choose your facts then spin and embellish them to suit yourself. So now you have selected your facts and written to suit yourself. 

Enjoy.

1. Isn't the Thai elite governing and ruling Thailand? If not, please submit me the facts

2. You didn't read very well WHAT I wrote and from WHICH website:

Your so called "vague statement" that the mentioned 3 shareholders (Dow Jones amongst them) "vote in the same direction" is a quote from The Nation Multimedia Group Website Sir.... "

I just quoted what THEY wrote on THEIR OWN website:

http://www.nationgroup.com/invester_3.php (it is in both Thai and English; and if it shows in Thai, just click on "ENG")

BUT: let me make it very easy for you and quote -again- what The Nation Multimedia Group claims on their own website:

Remark

The following are shareholders in the same group and will cast their votes in the same direction:

1. Mr. Thanachai Theerapattanavong

2. Mr. Suthichai Yoon

3. Dow Jones & Company, Inc., New York

These shareholders hold total of 42,872,363 shares, representing 26.02% of paid up capital.

3. Your quote: "No one can post here how shareholders of NMG reach their decisions of any kind."

Well, at first sight it seems so but you forget that The Nation Muldimedia Group is a SET listed public company and therefore all major decisions are public.

IF they have to do so according to the SET rules I don't know and in fact, I don't care.

I just posted what the NMG posted on their own website after which you jumped in and called it a vague statement.

Anything else I can help you with ?

LaoPo

Edited June 1, 2010 by LaoPo

[Crushdepth]

1. Isn't the Thai elite governing and ruling Thailand? If not, please submit me the facts

Can you tell me a country that isn't? Whoever is ruling the country is, by definition, elite.

[Rucharee]

Journalist are all human.

Human are bias by nature.

Hence ALL Journalist are bias.

[LaoPo]

1. Isn't the Thai elite governing and ruling Thailand? If not, please submit me the facts

Can you tell me a country that isn't? Whoever is ruling the country is, by definition, elite.

Mostly correct and I agree.

Although in Thailand the Government Elite consists mainly of sons and daughters of high-so very wealthy families.

In most countries that's not the case but it's handy if you're born into a family of the Old Boys' Network of course.

Look at the present members in the new Government in the UK: the far majority is a GBP Millionaire.

LaoPo

[whiterussian]

WOT NO NEWS HEADLINE ON TVISA ON "U.N CALL FOR HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES PROBE"?

"UN urges probe into Thai unrest "

yellow bellies.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pac...2741954232.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia_pacific/10200847.stm

UN urges probe into Thai unrest

Thai PM Abhisit Vejjajiva is facing a no confidece motion over his handling of the protests.

The United Nations' high commissioner for human rights has called for an independent investigation into the recent deadly violence in Thailand, saying that a full examination of events is essential for political reconciliation.

Speaking at a meeting of the Human Rights Council in Geneva on Monday, Navi Pillay said that anyone found to be responsible for rights violations should be held accountable.

"To foster longer-term political reconciliation, I urge the government to ensure that an independent investigation of recent events be conducted and all those found responsible for human rights violations are held to account," Pillay said.

She acknowledged that the Thai government had tried to resolve the deadlock, but said that in the process of restoring order authorities had a responsibility to "abide by international standards concerning the use of force and due process for those detained."

Crackdown

Pillay's comments came as Thailand's prime minister, Abhisit Vejajjiva, faced growing questions over his response to the opposition "red shirt" street protests.

A military operation in May to end more than two months of protests left 88 people dead, almost all of them civilians.

Edited June 1, 2010 by whiterussian

[whybother]

WOT NO NEWS HEADLINE ON TVISA ON "U.N CALL FOR HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES PROBE"?

"UN urges probe into Thai unrest "

yellow bellies.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pac...2741954232.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia_pacific/10200847.stm

<snip>.

In both articles it says there will be an independent investigation.

Thailand's ambassador in Geneva told the Human Rights Council that an independent commission was being set up "to look into all the incidents that took place during the protests".

Edited June 1, 2010 by whybother

[ballpoint]

WOT NO NEWS HEADLINE ON TVISA ON "U.N CALL FOR HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES PROBE"?

"UN urges probe into Thai unrest "

yellow bellies.

(Snipped for brevity)

You're a bit slow, it's already been covered on CNN. The killings were done by red shirts dressed as soldiers. It's all on video.

Edited June 1, 2010 by ballpoint

[Thai at Heart]

WOT NO NEWS HEADLINE ON TVISA ON "U.N CALL FOR HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES PROBE"?

"UN urges probe into Thai unrest "

yellow bellies.

(Snipped for brevity)

You're a bit slow, it's already been covered on CNN. The killings were done by red shirts dressed as soldiers. It's all on video.

Well, thanks for that Ballpoint. Case closed then. In fact, why have an investigation at all.

4 blokes (one with lots of amulets) with a pistol and an M16 killed them all.

[ballpoint]

WOT NO NEWS HEADLINE ON TVISA ON "U.N CALL FOR HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES PROBE"?

"UN urges probe into Thai unrest "

yellow bellies.

(Snipped for brevity)

You're a bit slow, it's already been covered on CNN. The killings were done by red shirts dressed as soldiers. It's all on video.

Well, thanks for that Ballpoint. Case closed then. In fact, why have an investigation at all.

4 blokes (one with lots of amulets) with a pistol and an M16 killed them all.

No worries. And we still have time to get a beer before the bars shut.

[whiterussian]

WOT NO NEWS HEADLINE ON TVISA ON "U.N CALL FOR HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES PROBE"?

"UN urges probe into Thai unrest "

yellow bellies.

(Snipped for brevity)

You're a bit slow, it's already been covered on CNN. The killings were done by red shirts dressed as soldiers. It's all on video.

No.. erm.. I meant HERE... this is a news forum, where is the headline? What is the name of this particular thread?

The Notion & others must not consider it newsworthy enough. Yellow bellies.

Are Journalists Biased?

Edited June 1, 2010 by whiterussian

[Publicus]

LaoPo you have a few facts you like inserted in a post of your opinions, interpretations, theorizing, imaginings, some conspiracy stuff, some reference to national origin and much more - all of which is fine as this a forum where we can do these things, and do do these things.

You surmise much also, which too is fine. And then you throw in the kitchen sink by referring to that ubiquitous, endemic  "elite."

As you quote a vague statement saying certain shareholders "vote in the same direction," show me the votes of the owners of NMG and how the owners you focus on vote in specific certain directions -

I'm talking about a pattern of votes as a group by the shareholders of your focus. Give specific instances of how the shareholders of your focus agree to vote to manipulate and manage public opinion. Reveal to all of us the patters of specific decisions and/or votes to which you refer. 

You can't, can you. Which is the whole point. Neither can I. No one can post here how shareholders of NMG reach their decisions of any kind. Which means you can choose your facts then spin and embellish them to suit yourself. So now you have selected your facts and written to suit yourself. 

Enjoy.

1. Isn't the Thai elite governing and ruling Thailand? If not, please submit me the facts

2. You didn't read very well WHAT I wrote and from WHICH website:

Your so called "vague statement" that the mentioned 3 shareholders (Dow Jones amongst them) "vote in the same direction" is a quote from The Nation Multimedia Group Website Sir.... "

I just quoted what THEY wrote on THEIR OWN website:

http://www.nationgroup.com/invester_3.php (it is in both Thai and English; and if it shows in Thai, just click on "ENG")

BUT: let me make it very easy for you and quote -again- what The Nation Multimedia Group claims on their own website:

Remark

The following are shareholders in the same group and will cast their votes in the same direction:

1. Mr. Thanachai Theerapattanavong

2. Mr. Suthichai Yoon

3. Dow Jones & Company, Inc., New York

These shareholders hold total of 42,872,363 shares, representing 26.02% of paid up capital.

3. Your quote: "No one can post here how shareholders of NMG reach their decisions of any kind."

Well, at first sight it seems so but you forget that The Nation Muldimedia Group is a SET listed public company and therefore all major decisions are public.

IF they have to do so according to the SET rules I don't know and in fact, I don't care.

I just posted what the NMG posted on their own website after which you jumped in and called it a vague statement.

Anything else I can help you with ?

LaoPo

You read and write pretty well for someone whose native language is other than English. However, as your thinking in English is less than lucid, you are not qualified to say to me that "you don't read very well." I'd already gone to the website presented a previous post you made, I read the comment about shareholders on which you focus, the ones who are said to vote "in the same direction,"  but I didn't and still don't find specific instances, occasions, times, circumstances, issues that support your claims that a cabal is at work at NMG or the Nation in particular to control public knowledge or opinion. 

You think I don't know the NMG is listed on the SET? Of course it is. That's why I require you to dig out the facts, the particular issues, the decisions, the pattern and practice of decision making by the shareholders on which you focus who you theorize act as a group, a unit. Given your imaginative claims of conspiratorial voting - or let's say collaborative voting - the presumptive burden to provide the evidence in the case you present resides with you. Do some research before you pop off your mouth. If you need investigative assistance, you might consider asking Shawn Crispin to partner with you  .  I'm sure he'd find you as charming as I and many others here do .

You are continuing to be vague, unspecific and non specific, highly imaginative, speculative, hypothesizing without examining and supporting your thesis or opinions, making no attempt to pursue or present fact(s) (i.e., the votes on specific issues etc) accusatory towards those who challenge your failure to take responsibility to research a publicly listed company to find facts and fact patterns and, accordingly, present your conclusive findings to us that support your dogmas. 

Robert Paul Wolff a philosopher of the New Left of the 1960's argued, persuasively to me, that social science is predicated in sound reasoning based on fact. You present neither. Which is because you take a statement utterly devoid of specific detail - "vote in the same direction" - to satisfy your biases, prejudices, pov and your attitudes. Really, if you and I might fly on separate planes headed West we literally would be moving/traveling "in the same direction." However, you may be headed to Brussels whilst I might be headed to New York. You and I would be making a quite different movement "in the same direction."

Prove your case, LaoPo, that's all you need to do. One can't prove the case here by innuendo, or by pet inferences concerning ownership of NMG or its board of directors. On a final note for now, if I recall correctly, this started with you carrying on about the right winger Robert Murdoch owning Dow Jones Publishing Company Inc and then by extension somehow seeking control of information distribution in the Thai metropolis especially but Thailand broadly. Why would Murdoch purchase some ownership of the NMG to seek such control?

Indeed, did Murdoch purchase shares in NMG/the Nation, or had Dow Jones already purchased its 7% interest in same? What would be DJ/Murdoch's interest either financially (absent specific data, you propagate that DJ or Murdoch purchased some ownership in the Nation which you assert is in the red and thereby would be a loss leader to Dow Jones/Murdoch), or politically? (Might the Aussie Murdoch want someday to be monarch of a country?

You fail to present any indication, much less evidence, Murdoch or Dow Jones are interested in or want to determine the direction of the country's progress or development. Further, why would Dow Jones/Murdoch consider Thailand as a country significant enuff in the world that DJ/Murdoch would want to assert mass information media 'control' over it.

Jeez, come to more closely consider the major failures of your nebulous and imaginative assertions, it becomes clear your English thinking is akin to Swiss cheese. 

Edited June 1, 2010 by Publicus

[LaoPo]

You read and write pretty well for someone whose native language is other than English. However, as your thinking in English is less than lucid, you are not qualified to say to me that "you don't read very well." I'd already gone to the website presented a previous post you made, I read the comment about shareholders on which you focus, the ones who are said to vote "in the same direction,"  but

1.I didn't and still don't find specific instances, occasions, times, circumstances, issues that support your claims that a cabal is at work at NMG or the Nation in particular to control public knowledge or opinion. 

You think I don't know the NMG is listed on the SET? Of course it is.

2. That's why I require you to dig out the facts, the particular issues, the decisions, the pattern and practice of decision making by the shareholders on which you focus who you theorize act as a group, a unit. Given your imaginative claims of conspiratorial voting - or let's say collaborative voting - the presumptive burden to provide the evidence in the case you present resides with you. Do some research before you pop off your mouth. If you need investigative assistance, you might consider asking Shawn Crispin to partner with you  .  I'm sure he'd find you as charming as I and many others here do .

You are continuing to be vague, unspecific and non specific, highly imaginative, speculative, hypothesizing without examining and supporting your thesis or opinions, making no attempt to pursue or present fact(s) (i.e., the votes on specific issues etc) accusatory towards those who challenge your failure to take responsibility to research a publicly listed company to find facts and fact patterns and, accordingly, present your conclusive findings to us that support your dogmas. 

Robert Paul Wolff a philosopher of the New Left of the 1960's argued, persuasively to me, that social science is predicated in sound reasoning based on fact. You present neither. Which is because you take a statement utterly devoid of specific detail - "vote in the same direction" - to satisfy your biases, prejudices, pov and your attitudes. Really, if you and I might fly on separate planes headed West we literally would be moving/traveling "in the same direction." However, you may be headed to Brussels whilst I might be headed to New York. You and I would be making a quite different movement "in the same direction."

3. Prove your case, LaoPo, that's all you need to do. One can't prove the case here by innuendo, or by pet inferences concerning ownership of NMG or its board of directors. On a final note for now, if I recall correctly, this started with you carrying on about the right winger Robert Murdoch owning Dow Jones Publishing Company Inc and then by extension somehow seeking control of information distribution in the Thai metropolis especially but Thailand broadly. Why would Murdoch purchase some ownership of the NMG to seek such control?

Indeed, did Murdoch purchase shares in NMG/the Nation, or had Dow Jones already purchased its 7% interest in same? What would be DJ/Murdoch's interest either financially (absent specific data, you propagate that DJ or Murdoch purchased some ownership in the Nation which you assert is in the red and thereby would be a loss leader to Dow Jones/Murdoch), or politically? (Might the Aussie Murdoch want someday to be monarch of a country?

You fail to present any indication, much less evidence, Murdoch or Dow Jones are interested in or want to determine the direction of the country's progress or development. Further, why would Dow Jones/Murdoch consider Thailand as a country significant enuff in the world that DJ/Murdoch would want to assert mass information media 'control' over it.

Jeez, come to more closely consider the major failures of your nebulous and imaginative assertions, it becomes clear your English thinking is akin to Swiss cheese. 

Publicus, Your long posts are getting very boring, jumping on my back every time you see an answer by me.

You must have been working quite a long time, writing your post but.....I'm not going to answer you in detail since you've been a naughty boy, spending so much time writing to a fellow member you don't like

My replies:

1. I didn't claim anything.

2. Why would I start digging, because you say so...?

3. I don't have to prove anything, not to you nor anybody else.

I simply give and gave my opinion, like you do. The difference is that I come up with links, facts and details.

You never do, just an opinion; that's fine but you never come up with -proven- facts. Just blah-blah.

Cheers Publicus

LaoPo

Edited June 1, 2010 by LaoPo

[JetsetBkk]

WOT NO NEWS HEADLINE ON TVISA ON "U.N CALL FOR HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES PROBE"?

"UN urges probe into Thai unrest "

yellow bellies.

(Snipped for brevity)

You're a bit slow, it's already been covered on CNN. The killings were done by red shirts dressed as soldiers. It's all on video.

No.. erm.. I meant HERE... this is a news forum, where is the headline? What is the name of this particular thread?

The Notion & others must not consider it newsworthy enough. Yellow bellies.

Are Journalists Biased?

Of course he knew you meant on this forum.

The story has now been mentioned in the "Thai PM Abhisit Under Fire Over Deadly Crackdown" thread, here: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Thai-PM-Abhi...t&p=3658192

I suppose we can't have too many threads like that. Very un-yellow of us if we did.

PS. Publicus and LaoPo - get a room.

[yoshiwara]

Forbes 'Richest" List, 2006:

Somporn Jungrungreangkit is the only woman in the top 10. Ranked 10th with a net worth of $420 million, Ms Somporn took over the reins of Thai Summit, one of the country's largest auto-parts groups, after her husband's death in 2002. She now oversees more than a dozen companies as the group president. Her brother-in-law, Suriya Jungrungreangkit, is the acting deputy prime minister (this apears to be while Thaksin was still in power).

From Thai Summit website:

Thai Summit Group is one of the leaders in automotive parts, motorcycle parts, agricultural machinery and electrical appliance industry. From its conception in 1977 , Thai Summit Group has expanded to include over 30 companies under its umbrella, including totally owned companies, as well as joint ventures with multinational companies. Its product lines include press parts, assembly parts, plastic injection parts, plastic blow molding parts, aluminium die-casting, wiring harmesses, chassis, stamping dies, assembly jigs and tooling with production bases in Samutprakarn, Laem Chabang, Rayong, Ayudhya, Nakornnayok, Malaysia and India. Total sales of the group is higher than Baht 20,000 Million Baht.

From me:

I briefly worked at the Nation for Suthichai Yoon in 1991. What a sweatshop ... I also find it interesting that unlike other wealthy and wealthy-wannabe Sino-Thais, he has not taken on a Thai family name and continues to use his Chinese surname (Yun). He would be in the wannabe category of wealth. It always amazed me that the Nation remained in business, then branched out into broadcast media, given that by all outward appearances, the paper rarely, if ever, turned a profit down through the years. Some other revenue stream seems to keep it afloat; perhaps the group was involved in real estate too; or perhaps it has extremely wealthy friends.

It is odd is it not that the red cheerleaders who wish to smear opponents with the label of wealth should do so from under Thaksin's umbrella.

Also, for the amazing fact that Thailand is a capitalist economy, no cigar.

That the reds have never, ever openly called for a socialist society no prizes there.

And for the fact that the reds do not have one economic demand to put in a non-existent programme just a burst balloon.

But we can give a ripe banana to the disappointed aspirant journo still needled with the past.

Edited June 4, 2010 by yoshiwara

[JetsetBkk]

Blah, blah, blah...

Like I said, get a room. Otherwise...

[chaoyang]

It is odd is it not that the red cheerleaders who wish to smear opponents with the label of wealth should do so from under Thaksin's umbrella.

Also, for the amazing fact that Thailand is a capitalist economy, no cigar.

That the reds have never, ever openly called for a socialist society no prizes there.

And for the fact that the reds do not have one economic demand to put in a non-existent programme just a burst balloon.

But we can give a ripe banana to the disappointed aspirant journo still needled with the past.

I doubt patronage and corruption, whatever its form, can be truly called capitalism.

As well, even the mighty buck-takes-all US is beginning to (again) realize that uncontrolled capitalism is not the Holy Grail.

Used to be a nice word to trot out to justify any action and scare off the critics (my gawd, they could be labeled socialists or something!). You might want to save you condescension for the sweatshop owners of Thailand. When does "free enterprise" actually become slavery?

Sorry, but more than an aspirant. Spent the time since working for real companies. The Nation was a briefly interesting, but inconsequential, wave along the journey. Just pointing out that as a "journalist", Yun might have done better as owner of a pineapple cannery.

[sabaijai]

Bickering, ad hominem posts deleted. Keep to the issues, Publicus and Lao Po.

[yoshiwara]

<!--quoteo(post=3666946:date=2010-06-05 06:05:00:name=yoshiwara)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yoshiwara @ 2010-06-05 06:05:00) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3666946"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It is odd is it not that the red cheerleaders who wish to smear opponents with the label of wealth should do so from under Thaksin's umbrella.

Also, for the amazing fact that Thailand is a capitalist economy, no cigar.

That the reds have never, ever openly called for a socialist society no prizes there.

And for the fact that the reds do not have one economic demand to put in a non-existent programme just a burst balloon.

But we can give a ripe banana to the disappointed aspirant journo still needled with the past.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I doubt patronage and corruption, whatever its form, can be truly called capitalism.

As well, even the mighty buck-takes-all US is beginning to (again) realize that uncontrolled capitalism is not the Holy Grail.

Used to be a nice word to trot out to justify any action and scare off the critics (my gawd, they could be labeled socialists or something!). You might want to save you condescension for the sweatshop owners of Thailand. When does "free enterprise" actually become slavery?

Sorry, but more than an aspirant. Spent the time since working for real companies. The Nation was a briefly interesting, but inconsequential, wave along the journey. Just pointing out that as a "journalist", Yun might have done better as owner of a pineapple cannery.

Somehow seems to be looking for a form of unexploitative capitalism under Thaksin's patronage.

Now that's analysis for you.

Working for Thaksin, now that's real corruption for you.

If you want a cleaner more transparent capitalism show us the red programme which fights for this.

There isn't one.

Be sure to wave.

[Siam Simon]

<!--quoteo(post=3666946:date=2010-06-05 06:05:00:name=yoshiwara)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yoshiwara @ 2010-06-05 06:05:00) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3666946"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It is odd is it not that the red cheerleaders who wish to smear opponents with the label of wealth should do so from under Thaksin's umbrella.

Also, for the amazing fact that Thailand is a capitalist economy, no cigar.

That the reds have never, ever openly called for a socialist society no prizes there.

And for the fact that the reds do not have one economic demand to put in a non-existent programme just a burst balloon.

But we can give a ripe banana to the disappointed aspirant journo still needled with the past.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I doubt patronage and corruption, whatever its form, can be truly called capitalism.

As well, even the mighty buck-takes-all US is beginning to (again) realize that uncontrolled capitalism is not the Holy Grail.

Used to be a nice word to trot out to justify any action and scare off the critics (my gawd, they could be labeled socialists or something!). You might want to save you condescension for the sweatshop owners of Thailand. When does "free enterprise" actually become slavery?

Sorry, but more than an aspirant. Spent the time since working for real companies. The Nation was a briefly interesting, but inconsequential, wave along the journey. Just pointing out that as a "journalist", Yun might have done better as owner of a pineapple cannery.

Somehow seems to be looking for a form of unexploitative capitalism under Thaksin's patronage.

Now that's analysis for you.

Working for Thaksin, now that's real corruption for you.

If you want a cleaner more transparent capitalism show us the red programme which fights for this.

There isn't one.

Be sure to wave.

It's ok, chaoyang, Yoshi has a job to do. His line manager Publicus has ordered him to up the ante.

[yoshiwara]

<!--quoteo(post=3666946:date=2010-06-05 06:05:00:name=yoshiwara)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yoshiwara @ 2010-06-05 06:05:00) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3666946"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It is odd is it not that the red cheerleaders who wish to smear opponents with the label of wealth should do so from under Thaksin's umbrella.

Also, for the amazing fact that Thailand is a capitalist economy, no cigar.

That the reds have never, ever openly called for a socialist society no prizes there.

And for the fact that the reds do not have one economic demand to put in a non-existent programme just a burst balloon.

But we can give a ripe banana to the disappointed aspirant journo still needled with the past.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I doubt patronage and corruption, whatever its form, can be truly called capitalism.

As well, even the mighty buck-takes-all US is beginning to (again) realize that uncontrolled capitalism is not the Holy Grail.

Used to be a nice word to trot out to justify any action and scare off the critics (my gawd, they could be labeled socialists or something!). You might want to save you condescension for the sweatshop owners of Thailand. When does "free enterprise" actually become slavery?

Sorry, but more than an aspirant. Spent the time since working for real companies. The Nation was a briefly interesting, but inconsequential, wave along the journey. Just pointing out that as a "journalist", Yun might have done better as owner of a pineapple cannery.

Somehow seems to be looking for a form of unexploitative capitalism under Thaksin's patronage.

Now that's analysis for you.

Working for Thaksin, now that's real corruption for you.

If you want a cleaner more transparent capitalism show us the red programme which fights for this.

There isn't one.

Be sure to wave.

It's ok, chaoyang, Yoshi has a job to do. His line manager Publicus has ordered him to up the ante.

Upping the ante was something the reds did when they tried to torch parts of Bangkok.

I think it was later this month that some forum reds were promising a Terminator 'We'll be back' number.

Until then trying to break the visible umbilical cord to the red and black violence and paymaster Thaksin.

Poorly.