Unmasked: Thailand's Men In Black

[Old Man River]

Meanwhile, the Department of Special Investigations (DSI) said it is not charge pro-red shirt actor Methee Amornwutikul in red-shirt related cases but is setting him aside as a witness.

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-- Tan Network 2010-06-02

looks like someone has turned over to the government side

exactly as i predicted he would turn within hours of his capture

actors and singers have no stomach for this kind of thing

Arisaman will be the greatest prize if they can catch him alive

his arse will drop so fast he will get carpet burns on it........

Methee is form the hard wing of the reds. That will give other red leaders something to think about. Dont expect Rambo and Arismaon will be turning themselves in now.

I expect Arisman has as much to fear from his own side as he does from the government.

I suspect that is true and I also suspect that is why Methee is cooperative.

And probably why Arisman is running. He knows a lot and is well known to be a loose cannon. He may not have anyplace he can go to where he feels safe. Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.

[Old Man River]

Are there no red apologists can explain the above videos away? I'm disappointed. I realise that it might stress your creative flair, but you could at least have a go.

As a non red apologist I will try my creative flair anyway. Something I kept hearing by the Reds during the protest. Those are fake reds. I am sure in court we will hear them say it over and over.

[Moruya]

you anti red shirts are so predictable.

Let me remind you:

- no red shirts caused havoc in Songkran last year in Bangkok or at the ASEAN summit in Pattaya - at the time, yes, leaders such as Thaksin might have appeared to claim that they were going to return to lead a revolution while their families flew abroad, and given that the gas tanker belonged to a company which as I recall Thaksin's brother in law is chairman or a director was the one parked in Dindaeng and planned to be set on I can perhaps understand why some might feel there is some connection, but these are fake reds.

- there was a huge massacre of red shirts at Songkran last year. The biased media have never been willing to run this story, simply because the army, despite the obvious proof they aren't masters of PR or anything somehow managed to conceal 2,000+ dead bodies and remove them out of thin air without anyone seeing anything, in stark contrast to this protest where almost everything has been shot from multiple cameras by people in the neighbourhood. now admittedly, not a single healthcare or rescue services worker has been on record as saying that this massacre occured, but when protested under parliamentary privelege, the righteous and very honest red shirt MPs who have always been completely honest and truthful were quite willing to go on record speaking at great length about this

- this was a million person march - despite the media claiming less than 100,000, and despite the fact that the entire street in front of central world in new year countdowns cannot physically hold more than 300,000 people standing; somehow the red shirts can use reclining chairs and use a bit of slack in the space time continuum to defy physics that hold the rest of us earthbound

- no red shirts ever stormed public buildings such as CAT, ThaiCom etc - the real red shirts were outside - only fake red shirts went inside. THe real red shirts were so angry with the fake red shirts, that they showed their disapproval by doing nothing at all and not even remembering who was real and fake when the fakes came out. Arisaman was at one point both real and fake

- no red shirts ever were armed or threatened violence. Now while one might claim that it is quite legal to set up extortion stations and force residents of Langsuan etc to pay to access their own homes; and while every single Bangkokian can see the sharp bamboo, the knives in the waist bands of the guys near the end points of the very legal street blockades - these are not arms. Arms which aren't fire arms belonging to the army don't count. And fire arms which belong to the army but are in the possession of the red shirts, they don't count. They were only being kept for safe keeping. Which is a nice thing to do

- the burning of Bangkok was only threatened as a joke, it was never real. The red shirts didn't do that. All the eye witnesses were obviously wrong. All the youtube clips of Arisaman etc are all wrong. They are FAKE. As FAKE as Lydia's breasts. Even though the red shirt America website started saying they had freedom from 11am to start burning, that's only because that's a fake website. In fact some of the fires probably never happened. Central World for instance, it is just a style of architecture.

- Thaksin had absolutely nothing to do with the rally or ruining the peace process. He never phoned in, twittered, contacted the protest movement nor did he ever offer to return nor did he ever offer encouragement to protesters to keep fighting. Despite the money trails pointing to him and his family, obviously he has a lot of bills, mobile phones and so on, and besides which no one has ever heard of a red shirt protester being paid to attend protests. THat's crazy. No one accepted any money to be there. Anyone that tells you they did is a fake red. At no point did Thaksin meet with any of the leaders nor discuss with them nor was the this so called private contact behind the scenes to try to discuss peace

- at no point did the red shirts break the law. It is perfectly legal to protest wherever you want, and to do what you want. It is perfectly legal to doctor videos and play them and to tell lies on stage. Removing items for personal use from Gaysorn, Big C, Central World etc is perfectly legal provided it isn't for resale. Also, it is quite legal to commandeer BMA garbage trucks and to extort money from people wanting to pass through a public street

- at no point have any red leaders been paid for their efforts. Even though many claim that the leaders were given cash, this is not true. Because they said so.

- the red shirt behaviour therefore should be condoned by Peua Thai, because while they are the best political party to never have any policies and are run by the man who took Thailand into Asian Crisis and another man who got his son off the murder of a cop in Club 20 then helped him be a fugitive for a year while witnesses were 'spoken to' it is quite clear that burning the city and shooting people and so on first of all never happened, but if it did they were fake reds, and if they were real reds, then it is perfectly ok as that's part of democracy

- Maytee may have spoken on stage at the rallies, but he was never a real red shirt; it was just mere coincidence that he was able to drive into their compound with arms in his car probably several times, while others got their handbags searched for even a pocket knife. He was just their friend, and now is no longer their friend, and he was never a red shirt. Even though he said he was, and even though he was said to be a red shirt right up until he got knicked.

I hope that this short email will help remove some of the confusion, because I am sick of the good name of people like Jatuporn being smeared by some of you who quite frankly don't know much about Thai politics, and would be on par with that Australian idiot who dragged down the very intellectual and intelligent debates that I enjoyed so much over the last 2 months on the red shirt stage.

Thanks.

Great Post. I'd like to hear that read a la Watney's Red Barrel (Monty Python).

The real scary thing is the amount of people who believe and the number of people who lie.

My family is from Isaan and I am very happy thet they saw the light last year.

[gl9999]

you anti red shirts are so predictable.

Let me remind you:

- no red shirts caused havoc in Songkran last year in Bangkok or at the ASEAN summit in Pattaya - at the time, yes, leaders such as Thaksin might have appeared to claim that they were going to return to lead a revolution while their families flew abroad, and given that the gas tanker belonged to a company which as I recall Thaksin's brother in law is chairman or a director was the one parked in Dindaeng and planned to be set on I can perhaps understand why some might feel there is some connection, but these are fake reds.

- there was a huge massacre of red shirts at Songkran last year. The biased media have never been willing to run this story, simply because the army, despite the obvious proof they aren't masters of PR or anything somehow managed to conceal 2,000+ dead bodies and remove them out of thin air without anyone seeing anything, in stark contrast to this protest where almost everything has been shot from multiple cameras by people in the neighbourhood. now admittedly, not a single healthcare or rescue services worker has been on record as saying that this massacre occured, but when protested under parliamentary privelege, the righteous and very honest red shirt MPs who have always been completely honest and truthful were quite willing to go on record speaking at great length about this

- this was a million person march - despite the media claiming less than 100,000, and despite the fact that the entire street in front of central world in new year countdowns cannot physically hold more than 300,000 people standing; somehow the red shirts can use reclining chairs and use a bit of slack in the space time continuum to defy physics that hold the rest of us earthbound

- no red shirts ever stormed public buildings such as CAT, ThaiCom etc - the real red shirts were outside - only fake red shirts went inside. THe real red shirts were so angry with the fake red shirts, that they showed their disapproval by doing nothing at all and not even remembering who was real and fake when the fakes came out. Arisaman was at one point both real and fake

- no red shirts ever were armed or threatened violence. Now while one might claim that it is quite legal to set up extortion stations and force residents of Langsuan etc to pay to access their own homes; and while every single Bangkokian can see the sharp bamboo, the knives in the waist bands of the guys near the end points of the very legal street blockades - these are not arms. Arms which aren't fire arms belonging to the army don't count. And fire arms which belong to the army but are in the possession of the red shirts, they don't count. They were only being kept for safe keeping. Which is a nice thing to do

- the burning of Bangkok was only threatened as a joke, it was never real. The red shirts didn't do that. All the eye witnesses were obviously wrong. All the youtube clips of Arisaman etc are all wrong. They are FAKE. As FAKE as Lydia's breasts. Even though the red shirt America website started saying they had freedom from 11am to start burning, that's only because that's a fake website. In fact some of the fires probably never happened. Central World for instance, it is just a style of architecture.

- Thaksin had absolutely nothing to do with the rally or ruining the peace process. He never phoned in, twittered, contacted the protest movement nor did he ever offer to return nor did he ever offer encouragement to protesters to keep fighting. Despite the money trails pointing to him and his family, obviously he has a lot of bills, mobile phones and so on, and besides which no one has ever heard of a red shirt protester being paid to attend protests. THat's crazy. No one accepted any money to be there. Anyone that tells you they did is a fake red. At no point did Thaksin meet with any of the leaders nor discuss with them nor was the this so called private contact behind the scenes to try to discuss peace

- at no point did the red shirts break the law. It is perfectly legal to protest wherever you want, and to do what you want. It is perfectly legal to doctor videos and play them and to tell lies on stage. Removing items for personal use from Gaysorn, Big C, Central World etc is perfectly legal provided it isn't for resale. Also, it is quite legal to commandeer BMA garbage trucks and to extort money from people wanting to pass through a public street

- at no point have any red leaders been paid for their efforts. Even though many claim that the leaders were given cash, this is not true. Because they said so.

- the red shirt behaviour therefore should be condoned by Peua Thai, because while they are the best political party to never have any policies and are run by the man who took Thailand into Asian Crisis and another man who got his son off the murder of a cop in Club 20 then helped him be a fugitive for a year while witnesses were 'spoken to' it is quite clear that burning the city and shooting people and so on first of all never happened, but if it did they were fake reds, and if they were real reds, then it is perfectly ok as that's part of democracy

- Maytee may have spoken on stage at the rallies, but he was never a real red shirt; it was just mere coincidence that he was able to drive into their compound with arms in his car probably several times, while others got their handbags searched for even a pocket knife. He was just their friend, and now is no longer their friend, and he was never a red shirt. Even though he said he was, and even though he was said to be a red shirt right up until he got knicked.

I hope that this short email will help remove some of the confusion, because I am sick of the good name of people like Jatuporn being smeared by some of you who quite frankly don't know much about Thai politics, and would be on par with that Australian idiot who dragged down the very intellectual and intelligent debates that I enjoyed so much over the last 2 months on the red shirt stage.

Thanks.

Hahaha I like this!

[chantorn]

I hope the fat boy gets arrested asap.

[TAWP]

I hope the fat boy gets arrested asap.

A nuke is on the run?

[KireB]

you anti red shirts are so predictable.

Let me remind you:

- no red shirts caused havoc in Songkran last year in Bangkok or at the ASEAN summit in Pattaya - at the time, yes, leaders such as Thaksin might have appeared to claim that they were going to return to lead a revolution while their families flew abroad, and given that the gas tanker belonged to a company which as I recall Thaksin's brother in law is chairman or a director was the one parked in Dindaeng and planned to be set on I can perhaps understand why some might feel there is some connection, but these are fake reds.

- there was a huge massacre of red shirts at Songkran last year. The biased media have never been willing to run this story, simply because the army, despite the obvious proof they aren't masters of PR or anything somehow managed to conceal 2,000+ dead bodies and remove them out of thin air without anyone seeing anything, in stark contrast to this protest where almost everything has been shot from multiple cameras by people in the neighbourhood. now admittedly, not a single healthcare or rescue services worker has been on record as saying that this massacre occured, but when protested under parliamentary privelege, the righteous and very honest red shirt MPs who have always been completely honest and truthful were quite willing to go on record speaking at great length about this

- this was a million person march - despite the media claiming less than 100,000, and despite the fact that the entire street in front of central world in new year countdowns cannot physically hold more than 300,000 people standing; somehow the red shirts can use reclining chairs and use a bit of slack in the space time continuum to defy physics that hold the rest of us earthbound

- no red shirts ever stormed public buildings such as CAT, ThaiCom etc - the real red shirts were outside - only fake red shirts went inside. THe real red shirts were so angry with the fake red shirts, that they showed their disapproval by doing nothing at all and not even remembering who was real and fake when the fakes came out. Arisaman was at one point both real and fake

- no red shirts ever were armed or threatened violence. Now while one might claim that it is quite legal to set up extortion stations and force residents of Langsuan etc to pay to access their own homes; and while every single Bangkokian can see the sharp bamboo, the knives in the waist bands of the guys near the end points of the very legal street blockades - these are not arms. Arms which aren't fire arms belonging to the army don't count. And fire arms which belong to the army but are in the possession of the red shirts, they don't count. They were only being kept for safe keeping. Which is a nice thing to do

- the burning of Bangkok was only threatened as a joke, it was never real. The red shirts didn't do that. All the eye witnesses were obviously wrong. All the youtube clips of Arisaman etc are all wrong. They are FAKE. As FAKE as Lydia's breasts. Even though the red shirt America website started saying they had freedom from 11am to start burning, that's only because that's a fake website. In fact some of the fires probably never happened. Central World for instance, it is just a style of architecture.

- Thaksin had absolutely nothing to do with the rally or ruining the peace process. He never phoned in, twittered, contacted the protest movement nor did he ever offer to return nor did he ever offer encouragement to protesters to keep fighting. Despite the money trails pointing to him and his family, obviously he has a lot of bills, mobile phones and so on, and besides which no one has ever heard of a red shirt protester being paid to attend protests. THat's crazy. No one accepted any money to be there. Anyone that tells you they did is a fake red. At no point did Thaksin meet with any of the leaders nor discuss with them nor was the this so called private contact behind the scenes to try to discuss peace

- at no point did the red shirts break the law. It is perfectly legal to protest wherever you want, and to do what you want. It is perfectly legal to doctor videos and play them and to tell lies on stage. Removing items for personal use from Gaysorn, Big C, Central World etc is perfectly legal provided it isn't for resale. Also, it is quite legal to commandeer BMA garbage trucks and to extort money from people wanting to pass through a public street

- at no point have any red leaders been paid for their efforts. Even though many claim that the leaders were given cash, this is not true. Because they said so.

- the red shirt behaviour therefore should be condoned by Peua Thai, because while they are the best political party to never have any policies and are run by the man who took Thailand into Asian Crisis and another man who got his son off the murder of a cop in Club 20 then helped him be a fugitive for a year while witnesses were 'spoken to' it is quite clear that burning the city and shooting people and so on first of all never happened, but if it did they were fake reds, and if they were real reds, then it is perfectly ok as that's part of democracy

- Maytee may have spoken on stage at the rallies, but he was never a real red shirt; it was just mere coincidence that he was able to drive into their compound with arms in his car probably several times, while others got their handbags searched for even a pocket knife. He was just their friend, and now is no longer their friend, and he was never a red shirt. Even though he said he was, and even though he was said to be a red shirt right up until he got knicked.

I hope that this short email will help remove some of the confusion, because I am sick of the good name of people like Jatuporn being smeared by some of you who quite frankly don't know much about Thai politics, and would be on par with that Australian idiot who dragged down the very intellectual and intelligent debates that I enjoyed so much over the last 2 months on the red shirt stage.

Thanks.

I am speechless! Why waste at least 20 minutes typing all this nonsense? Do you really believe this or did someone hijack your account! You would deny teh holocaust if asked, wouldnt you?

[ThisIsMadness]

you anti red shirts are so predictable.

Let me remind you:

- no red shirts caused havoc in Songkran last year in Bangkok or at the ASEAN summit in Pattaya - at the time, yes, leaders such as Thaksin might have appeared to claim that they were going to return to lead a revolution while their families flew abroad, and given that the gas tanker belonged to a company which as I recall Thaksin's brother in law is chairman or a director was the one parked in Dindaeng and planned to be set on I can perhaps understand why some might feel there is some connection, but these are fake reds.

- there was a huge massacre of red shirts at Songkran last year. The biased media have never been willing to run this story, simply because the army, despite the obvious proof they aren't masters of PR or anything somehow managed to conceal 2,000+ dead bodies and remove them out of thin air without anyone seeing anything, in stark contrast to this protest where almost everything has been shot from multiple cameras by people in the neighbourhood. now admittedly, not a single healthcare or rescue services worker has been on record as saying that this massacre occured, but when protested under parliamentary privelege, the righteous and very honest red shirt MPs who have always been completely honest and truthful were quite willing to go on record speaking at great length about this

- this was a million person march - despite the media claiming less than 100,000, and despite the fact that the entire street in front of central world in new year countdowns cannot physically hold more than 300,000 people standing; somehow the red shirts can use reclining chairs and use a bit of slack in the space time continuum to defy physics that hold the rest of us earthbound

- no red shirts ever stormed public buildings such as CAT, ThaiCom etc - the real red shirts were outside - only fake red shirts went inside. THe real red shirts were so angry with the fake red shirts, that they showed their disapproval by doing nothing at all and not even remembering who was real and fake when the fakes came out. Arisaman was at one point both real and fake

- no red shirts ever were armed or threatened violence. Now while one might claim that it is quite legal to set up extortion stations and force residents of Langsuan etc to pay to access their own homes; and while every single Bangkokian can see the sharp bamboo, the knives in the waist bands of the guys near the end points of the very legal street blockades - these are not arms. Arms which aren't fire arms belonging to the army don't count. And fire arms which belong to the army but are in the possession of the red shirts, they don't count. They were only being kept for safe keeping. Which is a nice thing to do

- the burning of Bangkok was only threatened as a joke, it was never real. The red shirts didn't do that. All the eye witnesses were obviously wrong. All the youtube clips of Arisaman etc are all wrong. They are FAKE. As FAKE as Lydia's breasts. Even though the red shirt America website started saying they had freedom from 11am to start burning, that's only because that's a fake website. In fact some of the fires probably never happened. Central World for instance, it is just a style of architecture.

- Thaksin had absolutely nothing to do with the rally or ruining the peace process. He never phoned in, twittered, contacted the protest movement nor did he ever offer to return nor did he ever offer encouragement to protesters to keep fighting. Despite the money trails pointing to him and his family, obviously he has a lot of bills, mobile phones and so on, and besides which no one has ever heard of a red shirt protester being paid to attend protests. THat's crazy. No one accepted any money to be there. Anyone that tells you they did is a fake red. At no point did Thaksin meet with any of the leaders nor discuss with them nor was the this so called private contact behind the scenes to try to discuss peace

- at no point did the red shirts break the law. It is perfectly legal to protest wherever you want, and to do what you want. It is perfectly legal to doctor videos and play them and to tell lies on stage. Removing items for personal use from Gaysorn, Big C, Central World etc is perfectly legal provided it isn't for resale. Also, it is quite legal to commandeer BMA garbage trucks and to extort money from people wanting to pass through a public street

- at no point have any red leaders been paid for their efforts. Even though many claim that the leaders were given cash, this is not true. Because they said so.

- the red shirt behaviour therefore should be condoned by Peua Thai, because while they are the best political party to never have any policies and are run by the man who took Thailand into Asian Crisis and another man who got his son off the murder of a cop in Club 20 then helped him be a fugitive for a year while witnesses were 'spoken to' it is quite clear that burning the city and shooting people and so on first of all never happened, but if it did they were fake reds, and if they were real reds, then it is perfectly ok as that's part of democracy

- Maytee may have spoken on stage at the rallies, but he was never a real red shirt; it was just mere coincidence that he was able to drive into their compound with arms in his car probably several times, while others got their handbags searched for even a pocket knife. He was just their friend, and now is no longer their friend, and he was never a red shirt. Even though he said he was, and even though he was said to be a red shirt right up until he got knicked.

I hope that this short email will help remove some of the confusion, because I am sick of the good name of people like Jatuporn being smeared by some of you who quite frankly don't know much about Thai politics, and would be on par with that Australian idiot who dragged down the very intellectual and intelligent debates that I enjoyed so much over the last 2 months on the red shirt stage.

Thanks.

I am speechless! Why waste at least 20 minutes typing all this nonsense? Do you really believe this or did someone hijack your account! You would deny teh holocaust if asked, wouldnt you?

Mate ,i think he is being sarcastic

God ,at least i hope so

[LaoPo]

<<snip snip>>

.....who dragged down the very intellectual and intelligent debates that I enjoyed so much over the last 2 months on the red shirt stage.

Thanks.

Where ever you stand...BRILLIANT post!

Thanks a lot !

LaoPo

[slapout]

Madness; my first read of the day and this will set the standard for the rest of the day, including 'Andy Capp' and the rest of the intellectual section of the newspaper.

[Chinavet]

steveromagnino ....it's kind of scary that after all the Maoist style vitriolic lie, deny, smear bull that we have all been subjected to these past weeks that this well written satire/sarcasm blends so well, readers are not sure if you are for real.

You would actually make a good False Red or a False False Red . If they are still hiring, you might get a job offer.

[animatic]

you anti red shirts are so predictable.

Let me remind you:

- no red shirts caused havoc in Songkran last year in Bangkok or at the ASEAN summit in Pattaya - at the time, yes, leaders such as Thaksin might have appeared to claim that they were going to return to lead a revolution while their families flew abroad, and given that the gas tanker belonged to a company which as I recall Thaksin's brother in law is chairman or a director was the one parked in Dindaeng and planned to be set on I can perhaps understand why some might feel there is some connection, but these are fake reds.

- there was a huge massacre of red shirts at Songkran last year. The biased media have never been willing to run this story, simply because the army, despite the obvious proof they aren't masters of PR or anything somehow managed to conceal 2,000+ dead bodies and remove them out of thin air without anyone seeing anything, in stark contrast to this protest where almost everything has been shot from multiple cameras by people in the neighbourhood. now admittedly, not a single healthcare or rescue services worker has been on record as saying that this massacre occured, but when protested under parliamentary privelege, the righteous and very honest red shirt MPs who have always been completely honest and truthful were quite willing to go on record speaking at great length about this

- this was a million person march - despite the media claiming less than 100,000, and despite the fact that the entire street in front of central world in new year countdowns cannot physically hold more than 300,000 people standing; somehow the red shirts can use reclining chairs and use a bit of slack in the space time continuum to defy physics that hold the rest of us earthbound

- no red shirts ever stormed public buildings such as CAT, ThaiCom etc - the real red shirts were outside - only fake red shirts went inside. THe real red shirts were so angry with the fake red shirts, that they showed their disapproval by doing nothing at all and not even remembering who was real and fake when the fakes came out. Arisaman was at one point both real and fake

- no red shirts ever were armed or threatened violence. Now while one might claim that it is quite legal to set up extortion stations and force residents of Langsuan etc to pay to access their own homes; and while every single Bangkokian can see the sharp bamboo, the knives in the waist bands of the guys near the end points of the very legal street blockades - these are not arms. Arms which aren't fire arms belonging to the army don't count. And fire arms which belong to the army but are in the possession of the red shirts, they don't count. They were only being kept for safe keeping. Which is a nice thing to do

- the burning of Bangkok was only threatened as a joke, it was never real. The red shirts didn't do that. All the eye witnesses were obviously wrong. All the youtube clips of Arisaman etc are all wrong. They are FAKE. As FAKE as Lydia's breasts. Even though the red shirt America website started saying they had freedom from 11am to start burning, that's only because that's a fake website. In fact some of the fires probably never happened. Central World for instance, it is just a style of architecture.

- Thaksin had absolutely nothing to do with the rally or ruining the peace process. He never phoned in, twittered, contacted the protest movement nor did he ever offer to return nor did he ever offer encouragement to protesters to keep fighting. Despite the money trails pointing to him and his family, obviously he has a lot of bills, mobile phones and so on, and besides which no one has ever heard of a red shirt protester being paid to attend protests. THat's crazy. No one accepted any money to be there. Anyone that tells you they did is a fake red. At no point did Thaksin meet with any of the leaders nor discuss with them nor was the this so called private contact behind the scenes to try to discuss peace

- at no point did the red shirts break the law. It is perfectly legal to protest wherever you want, and to do what you want. It is perfectly legal to doctor videos and play them and to tell lies on stage. Removing items for personal use from Gaysorn, Big C, Central World etc is perfectly legal provided it isn't for resale. Also, it is quite legal to commandeer BMA garbage trucks and to extort money from people wanting to pass through a public street

- at no point have any red leaders been paid for their efforts. Even though many claim that the leaders were given cash, this is not true. Because they said so.

- the red shirt behaviour therefore should be condoned by Peua Thai, because while they are the best political party to never have any policies and are run by the man who took Thailand into Asian Crisis and another man who got his son off the murder of a cop in Club 20 then helped him be a fugitive for a year while witnesses were 'spoken to' it is quite clear that burning the city and shooting people and so on first of all never happened, but if it did they were fake reds, and if they were real reds, then it is perfectly ok as that's part of democracy

- Maytee may have spoken on stage at the rallies, but he was never a real red shirt; it was just mere coincidence that he was able to drive into their compound with arms in his car probably several times, while others got their handbags searched for even a pocket knife. He was just their friend, and now is no longer their friend, and he was never a red shirt. Even though he said he was, and even though he was said to be a red shirt right up until he got knicked.

I hope that this short email will help remove some of the confusion, because I am sick of the good name of people like Jatuporn being smeared by some of you who quite frankly don't know much about Thai politics, and would be on par with that Australian idiot who dragged down the very intellectual and intelligent debates that I enjoyed so much over the last 2 months on the red shirt stage.

Thanks.

I am speechless! Why waste at least 20 minutes typing all this nonsense? Do you really believe this or did someone hijack your account! You would deny teh holocaust if asked, wouldnt you?

Mate ,i think he is being sarcastic

God ,at least i hope so

Quintisentially sarcastic and ironic etc.

Look for words like Never vs Ever...

think about it.

Steve gives greats skewer!

[SomTumTiger]

Steve - if you are going to be sarcastic, you need to use more of these :D :D

[animatic]

On reread, favorite lines"

"Arisaman was at one point both real and fake"

"As FAKE as Lydia's breasts."

"...use a bit of slack in the space time continuum to defy physics that hold the rest of us earthbound"

"...the best political party to never have any policies..."

"...on par with that Australian idiot who dragged down the very intellectual and intelligent debates..."

No Phrae were injured, dismembered or otherwise inconvenienced

in the making of this public service parody.

[slapout]

Smileys are not required/needed by those with a somewhat dry sense of humor (even though this brought tears of joy to my eyes). I have heard this type of opinion, referred to as British wit. Another reason to forgive their past so called transgressions. The pro Thaksin group may not comprehend the gist of the post, but that is probably understandable, considering their propensity to speak/write vs listen/read.

[Neurath]

On reread, favorite lines"

"Arisaman was at one point both real and fake"

"As FAKE as Lydia's breasts."

"...use a bit of slack in the space time continuum to defy physics that hold the rest of us earthbound"

"...the best political party to never have any policies..."

"...on par with that Australian idiot who dragged down the very intellectual and intelligent debates..."

No Phrae were injured, dismembered or otherwise inconvenienced

in the making of this public service parody.

My favorite? This one:

"In fact some of the fires probably never happened. Central World for instance, it is just a style of architecture."

Nice work!

[steveromagnino]

On reread, favorite lines"

"Arisaman was at one point both real and fake"

"As FAKE as Lydia's breasts."

"...use a bit of slack in the space time continuum to defy physics that hold the rest of us earthbound"

"...the best political party to never have any policies..."

"...on par with that Australian idiot who dragged down the very intellectual and intelligent debates..."

No Phrae were injured, dismembered or otherwise inconvenienced

in the making of this public service parody.

My favorite? This one:

"In fact some of the fires probably never happened. Central World for instance, it is just a style of architecture."

Nice work!

Thank you for the kind words. However, I am not being sarcastic

I have spoken to senior insiders in the red shirt movement, who assure me that Central had unofficially asked for help in a small redesign of the open atrium area at the Zen end of the shopping centre. So my original comment on some of the fires never happening is true, but CentralWorld, I have since learned, really did have a small controlled fire for the purposes of shopping centre re-design.

Having kindly assisted CPN by ensuring that CentralWorld did not open for a month and thus allowing CentralWorld to make considerable savings on staffing costs, the red shirters then very generously provided their own petrol, tires and matches and were also willing to assist the CPN shareholders by furthermore also doing a stock take prior to starting the store redesign using a process of combustion, where a small number of items were kindly removed from affected retail areas, and redistributed to potential future markets upcountry. Red shirts very kindly did not even charge for this at all!

Red shirts also very generously helped the interior spaces of Gaysorn, which uses a lot of glass in the facade and shop frontages. Gaysorn also received substantial economic benefits from being able to not open for over a month, thanks to the savings for water, power, staff costs and so on. In order to improve environmental conditions including airflow, experienced design consultants drawing from their vast knowledge as Taxi/motorcycle drivers or rice farming were able to introduce a number of post modern deconstructionist 'voids' in the glass facades, rather random in shape but usually similar in size to a hole large enough to reach through and creating improved airflow as a result, with savings in energy bills. I am sure I speak for Prada and Louis Vuitton and Tag Heuer that while they might pretend to understand store design and planning, there really is no replacement for a disgruntled unemployed upcountry thug with no education or work experience to assist in improving energy savings, store ambiance an embracing the future of retail.

For Gaysorn and other retailers, the red shirts approach to 'stock take' meets one of the key requirements of retail. Inventory turnover strongly dictates the number of times in which a shelf or place for one item can be used to sell such an item - obviously increasing stockturn is a major driver of retail success. So having first allowed the retailers of Ratchaprasong to save considerable overhead in not needing to open, by then engaging in 'stock take' and redistribution to areas where Gaysorn and Central don't operate (e.g. Udon) also allowed the retailers to enjoy strong stock turn.

It is not often in life, that one sees a real win-win but certainly, the popularity and joy with which the retailers and workers of the Ratchaprasong area embraced the expertise and intelligence shown by the leaders and supporters of the red shirt movement including the CentralWorld redesign indicates a strong private sector/mob partnership that may be a good platform for future collaberations in other management consultancies - after all the red shirts brains trust having shown capability in inventory management and store design as well as HVAC and facade design may in future also be able to expand into other areas of mutual advantage. Certainly, Chalerm in the recent censure debate showed a strong capability for perhaps setting up an english language school for those red shirts who wish to further their pidgeon english skills for making signs and so on.

As for this comment that some of the fires were not real.

I know some of you believe the media. Let me tell you this, most of what you saw in the media, was simply the media pushing their own agenda. It wasn't true. The Channel 3 building for instance, the footage of that building burning and the fake red shirts that burned it down. Everyone knows that the footage they showed was from the hit Lakorn 'Pao Nee Pao Nun' starring 'firecracker' Aum Patcharapoo and Araya Chomkee Hargate. It wasn't real.

Closer to home, I saw that the red shirts supposedly had set a 7 11 on fire. Well it was a nice set of special effects, but I went up close and it didn't look like a fire to me. By the time I got up close to it, the whole of the shop was just black, and covered in this stuff like ash. It wasn't on fire at all. It wasn't even hot. All that someone had done was they had somehow used a chemical to melt the store plastics items, covered everything in black charcoal for some reason, and removed all the paper and other items that typically would burn in a fire.

It seems like a lot of effort to go to, it makes no sense that the red shirts would do that.

Why would they?

Its much more work to make a fake fire than a real fire. I blame the media. They just created these special effects, simply to influence public opinion. And to show the prowess of Thai special effects for the movie industry.

In fact, there are some that say that the entire red shirt rally was funded by Channel 3, and is part of an ongoing shoot for their new lakorn 'Chai Nah CentralWorld Sao Nah Gaysorn' and so all the effects we see today were just part of a big movie set. Maytee is part of the cast you know. Arisaman is providing the hit song 'Pom chorp pao na'

Its quite a good story. I've seen the trailer.

In a future Siam, 2050, it becomes illegal to wear clothing that isn't red. Society is no longer free. Savage dictators led by a rambling doctor and slightly overweight insane politicians are brainwashing the populace. One rag tag group of renegades hatch a plan that's so crazy it just might work. Infiltrating the enemy's base, rivals become friends, and a chance meeting turns into a friendship that extends beyond time, proving the power of love is hotter than any big petrol and tire fueled fires.

With cutting edge effects and some of the largest extras cast ever assembled in Thailand let director Thakki Shinegra take you through a vision of a red future, where 'You don't bleed when you wear red'

Coming 2012. ChaiNahCentralWorldSaoNahGaysornthelakorn.com

[ballpoint]

Steveromagnino, stop giving away the red shirt secrets. A word to the wise, I wouldn't give any open air interviews near Lumpini Park if I were you.

On a related topic, the LV store in Gaysorn were devastated by the forced closure. A spokesman said "we really don't know how we will make up the lost revenue. We may have to sell an extra handbag this year to pay our costs, but can't be sure if we can get a second customer to buy one."

[TAWP]

Closer to home, I saw that the red shirts supposedly had set a 7 11 on fire. Well it was a nice set of special effects, but I went up close and it didn't look like a fire to me. By the time I got up close to it, the whole of the shop was just black, and covered in this stuff like ash. It wasn't on fire at all. It wasn't even hot. All that someone had done was they had somehow used a chemical to melt the store plastics items, covered everything in black charcoal for some reason, and removed all the paper and other items that typically would burn in a fire.

It seems like a lot of effort to go to, it makes no sense that the red shirts would do that.

Why would they?

Its much more work to make a fake fire than a real fire. I blame the media. They just created these special effects, simply to influence public opinion. And to show the prowess of Thai special effects for the movie industry.

Love it - this is just how some conspiracy-nutcase website works.

[lungmi]

you anti red shirts are so predictable.

Let me remind you:

- no red shirts caused havoc in Songkran last year in Bangkok or at the ASEAN summit in Pattaya - at the time, yes, leaders such as Thaksin might have appeared to claim that they were going to return to lead a revolution while their families flew abroad, and given that the gas tanker belonged to a company which as I recall Thaksin's brother in law is chairman or a director was the one parked in Dindaeng and planned to be set on I can perhaps understand why some might feel there is some connection, but these are fake reds.

- there was a huge massacre of red shirts at Songkran last year. The biased media have never been willing to run this story, simply because the army, despite the obvious proof they aren't masters of PR or anything somehow managed to conceal 2,000+ dead bodies and remove them out of thin air without anyone seeing anything, in stark contrast to this protest where almost everything has been shot from multiple cameras by people in the neighbourhood. now admittedly, not a single healthcare or rescue services worker has been on record as saying that this massacre occured, but when protested under parliamentary privelege, the righteous and very honest red shirt MPs who have always been completely honest and truthful were quite willing to go on record speaking at great length about this

- this was a million person march - despite the media claiming less than 100,000, and despite the fact that the entire street in front of central world in new year countdowns cannot physically hold more than 300,000 people standing; somehow the red shirts can use reclining chairs and use a bit of slack in the space time continuum to defy physics that hold the rest of us earthbound

- no red shirts ever stormed public buildings such as CAT, ThaiCom etc - the real red shirts were outside - only fake red shirts went inside. THe real red shirts were so angry with the fake red shirts, that they showed their disapproval by doing nothing at all and not even remembering who was real and fake when the fakes came out. Arisaman was at one point both real and fake

- no red shirts ever were armed or threatened violence. Now while one might claim that it is quite legal to set up extortion stations and force residents of Langsuan etc to pay to access their own homes; and while every single Bangkokian can see the sharp bamboo, the knives in the waist bands of the guys near the end points of the very legal street blockades - these are not arms. Arms which aren't fire arms belonging to the army don't count. And fire arms which belong to the army but are in the possession of the red shirts, they don't count. They were only being kept for safe keeping. Which is a nice thing to do

- the burning of Bangkok was only threatened as a joke, it was never real. The red shirts didn't do that. All the eye witnesses were obviously wrong. All the youtube clips of Arisaman etc are all wrong. They are FAKE. As FAKE as Lydia's breasts. Even though the red shirt America website started saying they had freedom from 11am to start burning, that's only because that's a fake website. In fact some of the fires probably never happened. Central World for instance, it is just a style of architecture.

- Thaksin had absolutely nothing to do with the rally or ruining the peace process. He never phoned in, twittered, contacted the protest movement nor did he ever offer to return nor did he ever offer encouragement to protesters to keep fighting. Despite the money trails pointing to him and his family, obviously he has a lot of bills, mobile phones and so on, and besides which no one has ever heard of a red shirt protester being paid to attend protests. THat's crazy. No one accepted any money to be there. Anyone that tells you they did is a fake red. At no point did Thaksin meet with any of the leaders nor discuss with them nor was the this so called private contact behind the scenes to try to discuss peace

- at no point did the red shirts break the law. It is perfectly legal to protest wherever you want, and to do what you want. It is perfectly legal to doctor videos and play them and to tell lies on stage. Removing items for personal use from Gaysorn, Big C, Central World etc is perfectly legal provided it isn't for resale. Also, it is quite legal to commandeer BMA garbage trucks and to extort money from people wanting to pass through a public street

- at no point have any red leaders been paid for their efforts. Even though many claim that the leaders were given cash, this is not true. Because they said so.

- the red shirt behaviour therefore should be condoned by Peua Thai, because while they are the best political party to never have any policies and are run by the man who took Thailand into Asian Crisis and another man who got his son off the murder of a cop in Club 20 then helped him be a fugitive for a year while witnesses were 'spoken to' it is quite clear that burning the city and shooting people and so on first of all never happened, but if it did they were fake reds, and if they were real reds, then it is perfectly ok as that's part of democracy

- Maytee may have spoken on stage at the rallies, but he was never a real red shirt; it was just mere coincidence that he was able to drive into their compound with arms in his car probably several times, while others got their handbags searched for even a pocket knife. He was just their friend, and now is no longer their friend, and he was never a red shirt. Even though he said he was, and even though he was said to be a red shirt right up until he got knicked.

I hope that this short email will help remove some of the confusion, because I am sick of the good name of people like Jatuporn being smeared by some of you who quite frankly don't know much about Thai politics, and would be on par with that Australian idiot who dragged down the very intellectual and intelligent debates that I enjoyed so much over the last 2 months on the red shirt stage.

Thanks.

I am speechless! Why waste at least 20 minutes typing all this nonsense? Do you really believe this or did someone hijack your account! You would deny teh holocaust if asked, wouldnt you?

Mate ,i think he is being sarcastic

God ,at least i hope so

Quintisentially sarcastic and ironic etc.

Look for words like Never vs Ever...

think about it.

Steve gives greats skewer!

animatic - this is Tucholsky

[yoshiwara]

This set of postings has been a fascinating read - great stuff guys and girls. I can't help but wonder how the blogs would have read if (by some trick of time travel) we could have gone back to the barricades in Paris when the Rabble stormed the Bastille - or to the radical changes (at times quiet violent) when Oliver Cromwell and his Roundheads took over. The times are a changing in Thailand folks - maybe the end of an era - I don't know. But at times of momentous change all sorts of things happen. As they say it's hard to make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. By the way in both the historic examples (and there are a pile more) the elite was smug and complacent (believing they could keep a lid on it) and the other side maybe lied and cheated the common folk into participating (some even claim the mob was paid) and in the process they ended up in power. What started as a populous movement driven by poverty ended up getting a bit out of hand - a process by which even those involved at the start got consumed by their own violence and the high ideals of the change became somewhat spoiled and at times sordid.

So folk sit back and absorb the process of history - allow others to have their own views and observations - no one is right and no one is wrong. Maybe we will never know whether these reporters were real or bought - if the MoBs were this side or that - History is a very complex thing - try and read about the French Revolution - gets real confusing at times as does the power struggle inside the Roundheads (friends became enemies and rivals eventually joined together). But the outcome was the same France and Great Britain were never the same again. There was change - real change.

You too.

The French Revolution was a bourgeois revolution.

The attempted seizure of power by Thaksin is not a bourgeois revolution.

Nor was the French revolution led by a rabble.

The foot soldiers were the sans culottes.

Thaksin as Cromwell?

This is history as a regurgitated comic.

[Insight]

The shooters on the skytrain were filmed in this video:

[Ulysses G.]

Army or MIB?

[Insight]

Army or MIB?

Really difficult to tell - camera is clearly on maximum zoom but the resolution still isn't high enough.

[Portlandstone]

The shooters on the skytrain were filmed in this video:

....

Insight, congratulations, you've just earned the "Red Propagandist" label here on thaivisa, some mysterious label they give you whenever you present fair and balanced opinions or evidence that casts a sliver of doubt on the government or Yellows, or more appropriately doesn't vehemently tow their cause.

At the :43 to :45 second time frame the soldier(s) appear to be wearing helmets and full fatigues in line with Army soldiers. We know that by this time the Army had already kicked out and crushed the last resistence of the Red Shirt rogue fighters -- hours before in fact, so it would make sense that there were not rogue Red fighters still wandering around on the skytrain tracks. We can also observe their body language and what we see are two men "on duty station", not hyped-up combatants who, if they really were Red Shirts, wouldn't have been "chilling out" on the tracks the way these guys were, aiming down and occasionally picking people off. They would have been in full combat mode, scrambling about under high tension, with enemy soldiers nearby. These guys however don't appear particularly stressed out.

Are the Yellow and Gov't defenders going to disappear from this thread?

[rabo]

Army or MIB?

Really difficult to tell - camera is clearly on maximum zoom but the resolution still isn't high enough.

Yes, really hard to tell, in many frames it looks like the guy on the left is wearing something light colored up top, maybe with some markings in the middle. The other guy is just all dark. You can see his gun clearly. With a lot of work and a lot of frames you could probably get a good estimate of the color content of their cloths. Looks more black with maybe very dark blue tint, not an obvious army green. Note that the cement of the track siding is also a blue tint so the color of the whole image is blue shifted from the camera settings.

[rabo]

Two more frames of the guy on the left, at times it almost looks like some kind of cross markings on the light colored covering/attachment/thing on his back.

[Portlandstone]

Two more frames of the guy on the left, at times it almost looks like some kind of cross markings on the light colored covering/attachment/thing on his back.

Nice leg work there. I wonder if a walk through a Thai Army facility you would or wouldn't find packs and other equipment that doesn't resemble the stuff these guys were wearing on their backs, particularly as shown in your second photo above. What about the helmets on their heads?

[geeky]

so, lets see ... first for decades the democrats used the army for illegal wood cutting, that results in the rivers flooding, which means millions of people lose their entire livelihood ... and you guys want to 'proof' they used violence ... of course they use violence, how else are they going to get this kleptocrazy out?

[AleG]

The shooters on the skytrain were filmed in this video:

....

Insight, congratulations, you've just earned the "Red Propagandist" label here on thaivisa, some mysterious label they give you whenever you present fair and balanced opinions or evidence that casts a sliver of doubt on the government or Yellows, or more appropriately doesn't vehemently tow their cause.

At the :43 to :45 second time frame the soldier(s) appear to be wearing helmets and full fatigues in line with Army soldiers. We know that by this time the Army had already kicked out and crushed the last resistence of the Red Shirt rogue fighters -- hours before in fact, so it would make sense that there were not rogue Red fighters still wandering around on the skytrain tracks. We can also observe their body language and what we see are two men "on duty station", not hyped-up combatants who, if they really were Red Shirts, wouldn't have been "chilling out" on the tracks the way these guys were, aiming down and occasionally picking people off. They would have been in full combat mode, scrambling about under high tension, with enemy soldiers nearby. These guys however don't appear particularly stressed out.

Are the Yellow and Gov't defenders going to disappear from this thread?

Those men in the Skytrain tracks are most probably army soldiers and as far as I can see there's no actual shooting of weapons in the video. However that doesn't exculpate the red shirts from anything they did.