Thai PM Abhisit Under Fire Over Deadly Crackdown

[jdinasia]

In fact as was pointed out widely, especially in thai langauge media, Abhisit put many 'conditions' on the election date.

Of course there were conditions. Abhisit had compromised massively as it was by cutting short his term from over 18 months to 6. Would it have been so hard for the reds to follow a few basic guidelines? Had they done so, Abhisit could not have retracted the election date without completely losing face and hurting his election chances. For that reason, i think the November date would have been stuck to.

P.S. It wasn't only the thai language media that mentioned these conditions. What made you think that?

It was pointed out widely in ALL the Thai media -- English and Thai language. The issue is that the reds accepted and then rejected ... and why they did so which can ONLY be attributed to it not fitting Thaksin's timetable. The reds would have really had a valid argument had they gone home, participated through the PTP in charter reform, participated through PTP in setting reasonable rules for broadcasters, etc etc ... There wasn't a huge burden on the reds other than to not be violent, not illegally infringe on the rights of others, and actually work towards some reconciliation. The onus would have been on the government if they had failed to dissolve parliament 45 days before Nov 14th to explain why. The reds may have even regained some credibility had they participated. They certainly wouldn't have lost so much due to the violence and arson on the days from May 13th-May 19th.

[jdinasia]

What would USA have done if protestors occupied the house of representatives for 8 months?

That is what the yellow shirts did (before going to the airports)- with the Thailand govt. house. The press here was outraged that two yellowshirt protestors died when police tried to move them out- but the same press hail Abhisit as a conquering hero .

So why do those dumb bunnies from issan complain about double standards. After all Kasit promiya - the pad yellowshirts spokesman - is now the Finance minister and he explained that the yellowshirts protest was good -why don't those uneducated redshirts understand.

Well Claus --- you are comparing apples to oranges again. The reds could have stayed at one place (PanFah Bridge is close to government house) and protested for a long long time. Sadly for the reds, the current government was not going to let them take over Government house if that was their plan. The current government would not have let them take over the airport either. Double standards? No. Different governments? Yes.

Your representation of Kasit is flawed as well. He was never "the pad yellowshirt spokesperson", he was in fact, not that involved in the PAD.

http://www.atimes.co...a/JL16Ae01.html

Democrat MP Somkiat Pongpaiboon was one of the PAD's co-leaders, while the protest movement's de facto spokesman, Kasit Piromya

----------Summons issued for FM Kasit, PAD leaders - Nationmultimedia.com

Among those summonsed is Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya, who led the protests at Suvarnabhumi

Better go back and see what you are quoting

• In 2008, Kasit actively supported the PAD in its drive to bring down the pro-Thaksin PPP-led governments of Samak Sundaravej and Somachai Wongsawat. Kasit attended and spoke at PAD rallies, hailed the PAD's seizure of the international airports, and defended the group's activities as being "part of the democratic process". Speaking on the airport seizure, Kasit made media headlines when he said that the atmosphere at the protests was "a lot of fun" and that "the food was good and the music was excellent". Kasit even characterize the airport takeover as a "new innovation for public protests". Kasit later said his comments were taken out of context and apologized.

Kasit certainly (like I said) appeared on PAD stages and was a PASD supporter --- he wasn't a leader or a spokesperson.

check here

http://cid-497a53b95...rt&sa=677528282

and here

News: PM faces no confidence motion: accused of corruption - Page 2 - Paknam Web Thailand Forums

That Shawn Crispin got it wrong again is no shock --- the other was just silly

Kasit isn't a saint and I would surely like to see him gone from the Dem government --- but he wasn't a PAD leader or a spokesperson -- he made guest appearances.

[mazeltov]

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yellow denialism and revisionism at work

[ChiangMaiFun]

Kasit isn't a saint and I would surely like to see him gone from the Dem government --- but he wasn't a PAD leader or a spokesperson -- he made guest appearances.

'guest appearances' that really cracked me up JD - very convenient way of looking at it - he came along and cheered and said 'what fun' and gave support to an illegal act - a 'guest appearance' now he's Foreign Minister? you really have gone 'native' bit like that 'invisible hand' that killed Sae Daeng? maybe that was a 'guest appearance' too?

[jdinasia]

Kasit isn't a saint and I would surely like to see him gone from the Dem government --- but he wasn't a PAD leader or a spokesperson -- he made guest appearances

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'guest appearances' that really cracked me up JD - very convenient way of looking at it - he came along and cheered and said 'what fun' and gave support to an illegal act - a 'guest appearance' now he's Foreign Minister? you really have gone 'native' bit like that 'invisible hand' that killed Sae Daeng? maybe that was a 'guest appearance' too?

Feel free to look up who the leaders of the PAD were. He wasn't one. Nor did he act as their spokesperson. ("De Facto" --- opinion). "Guest apperances" is not MY wording

Please learn to use the quote function.

As for "gone native" --- If you mean that I understand things more clearly than you from a native perspective --- then yeah, that seems to be an accurate statement.

Edited June 10, 2010 by jdinasia

[jayboy]

Feel free to look up who the leaders of the PAD were. He wasn't one. Nor did he act as their spokesperson.

The question is not what precise role Kasit had with the PAD movement.The question is - was his appointment as FM a sensible decision which enhanced Thailand's reputation given that he participated in and spoke approvingly of an illegal occupation?It can be plausibly argued that this terrorist action by PAD and its quasi fascist leadership set the precedent for more recent events.As it happens this absurd and splenetic little fellow has proved to be an incompetent, so Abhisit can dismiss him on performance grounds alone

[Rucharee]

Feel free to look up who the leaders of the PAD were. He wasn't one. Nor did he act as their spokesperson.

The question is not what precise role Kasit had with the PAD movement.The question is - was his appointment as FM a sensible decision which enhanced Thailand's reputation given that he participated in and spoke approvingly of an illegal occupation?It can be plausibly argued that this terrorist action by PAD and its quasi fascist leadership set the precedent for more recent events.As it happens this absurd and splenetic little fellow has proved to be an incompetent, so Abhisit can dismiss him on performance grounds alone

Same as Thaksin & UDD. Thanksin is official NOT the leader. But he play a strong influence indirectly.

[jayboy]

Feel free to look up who the leaders of the PAD were. He wasn't one. Nor did he act as their spokesperson.

The question is not what precise role Kasit had with the PAD movement.The question is - was his appointment as FM a sensible decision which enhanced Thailand's reputation given that he participated in and spoke approvingly of an illegal occupation?It can be plausibly argued that this terrorist action by PAD and its quasi fascist leadership set the precedent for more recent events.As it happens this absurd and splenetic little fellow has proved to be an incompetent, so Abhisit can dismiss him on performance grounds alone

Same as Thaksin & UDD. Thanksin is official NOT the leader. But he play a strong influence indirectly.

Really? Kasit has the same relationship to PAD as Thaksin does to UDD?

[Slip]

Feel free to look up who the leaders of the PAD were. He wasn't one. Nor did he act as their spokesperson.

The question is not what precise role Kasit had with the PAD movement.The question is - was his appointment as FM a sensible decision which enhanced Thailand's reputation given that he participated in and spoke approvingly of an illegal occupation?It can be plausibly argued that this terrorist action by PAD and its quasi fascist leadership set the precedent for more recent events.As it happens this absurd and splenetic little fellow has proved to be an incompetent, so Abhisit can dismiss him on performance grounds alone

No- You are quite incorrect. Here is the original 'question' as it was posed by Clausewitz, leading to JD's rebuttal:

After all Kasit promiya - the pad yellowshirts spokesman

Do try and keep up old man

[jayboy]

Feel free to look up who the leaders of the PAD were. He wasn't one. Nor did he act as their spokesperson.

The question is not what precise role Kasit had with the PAD movement.The question is - was his appointment as FM a sensible decision which enhanced Thailand's reputation given that he participated in and spoke approvingly of an illegal occupation?It can be plausibly argued that this terrorist action by PAD and its quasi fascist leadership set the precedent for more recent events.As it happens this absurd and splenetic little fellow has proved to be an incompetent, so Abhisit can dismiss him on performance grounds alone

No- You are quite incorrect. Here is the original 'question' as it was posed by Clausewitz, leading to JD's rebuttal:

After all Kasit promiya - the pad yellowshirts spokesman

Do try and keep up old man

You seem not to have understood my reply.Try again and see whether you can understand this time.

Hint: I was suggesting what is the real question - or at least one of them - we should be asking about Kasit.