Thai PM Abhisit Under Fire Over Deadly Crackdown

[rubl]

I have an excellent understanding of the English language, however your elitism resonates loud and clear. Telling me my English sucks, That I'm an idiot and a Red "Shit" supporter only demonstrates your arrogance towards other people and your lack of spelling skills . Your use of the word "most", within the context of the English language refers to the majority...look it up:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/most

It's pretty convenient to use a generic context without providing substantive facts to make a valid point, which is yet another aspect of the English language that is used to bridge words into complete sentences. I for one have a great regard for life and I do not chose to be so caviler in the loss of any life, and I especially hold a reverence for the loss of innocent lives. I take no position one way or the other for red, yellow, green or whatever, and I never said I did. I simply pointed out what I believed to be your lack of sensitivity towards other human beings, and all you did was validate what I believed to be true!

This may sound a bit pedantic, but English you look up in

http://oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m...#m_en_gb0535900

[LevelHead]

The protests should have been put down by the police, using tear gas and batons, as was the case against the PAD when the PPP government were in power. Things were done correctly using the Police.

The present government has made clear errors, by not using the police.

The next error was calling the army.

The next error was allowing the army to use lethal force.

Why did they not use the police ? They should never have called in the army.

If the government has no control over the police then it should have stood down and had elections and allowed a new government in that had the power.

I am afraid the "double standards" are going to get worse and worse.

Has the Bangkok governor been moved to an inactive post as Bangkok burnt ? NO

So why has the governors of Isaan provinces been moved to inactive posts because there were fires in their provinces ?

Has any Bangkok police chiefs been moved for failing to control the crowds ? for failing to follow orders ? NO

So why have police chiefs in Isaan been moved to inactive posts due to the fires ?

It is clear that horrendous double standards are still ongoing. If the government did not use the police then

Why ?

And if the answer is not obeying orders then.... why has no Bangkok police been moved to inactive posts ?

It seems there are strange double standards going on, very strange.

You are so red. Even your avatar is 100% red.

Poorest response of the day......some of the questions above seem quite valid.....but you give no answer

Its these kind of questions that quickly illustrate the "double standards" and so its these kind of questions that generally never get answered, the only answers generally, if any, will be to call me "red" or "stupid" or start talking about Thaksin.

When the questions are too difficult or awkward to be answered they are generally ignored or the old "Thaksin" diversion will be used.

[rubl]

You're putting Tak Bai solely on the Army, even though Thaksin was Prime Minister at the time. Fair enough. But if you do that, then similarly you would have to put the 80 deaths solely on the Army and thus PM Abhisit is innocent then?

Perfectly fair observation but there's a difference.Obviously as PM, Thaksin should take responsibility for Tak Bai and for ensuring the senior officers concerned were brought to justice.He didn't and he is rightly blamed.However I don't think anyone maintains that Thaksin was in the command and control aspect of the Tak Bai operation.Abhisit was closely indeed completely involved in the crack down on the Reds.There's the difference.

From wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tak_Bai_Incident (note the last sentence 'PM Surayud gave a formal apology').

Down south: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Thailand_insurgency. Picking 'just' a sentence

"However, the Thaksin regime began to dismantle the southern administration organization and replaced it with a notoriously corrupted police force which immediately began widespread crackdowns - consultation with local community leaders were also abolished."

Just read the complete articles, before any tells me I'm quoting out of context.

[jdinasia]

Nice attempt at baiting --- yet a failure again. The military were surely armed! They, however, were not a mob. Your boys in red were (both armed and a mob) You mean Tak Bai that was one of Thaksin's babies? Or were you referring to some other atrocity committed during Thaksin's reign?

Well done on reminding us that the reds are all about Thaksin and that Thaksin is reponsible for so many many many many more Thai deaths than anyone has yet accused Abhisit of. Then again Thaksin isn't preening anywhere these days, he's just trying to find a safe country to hide in since The big guy in Montenegro has already indicated they have a way of dealing with Thaksin's citizenship if it becomes an issue.

One has in the grimmest of circumstances (Tak Bai) have to wonder at the mindset of zealots who apparently believe that the Thai army had nothing to do with Tak Bai and other massacres.It was one of Thaksin;s "babies" we are told.Quite amazing.

No doubt we will shortly be told by this genius that Red demonstrators shot themselves in the back, and then turned their attention to journalists and those seeking refuge in a temple.

One can more or less understand when the elite take action to protect their interests, but when no account visa runners start pitching in on their behalf, it's unbelievable.This fellow is really just the counterpart of that English moron who took up with the thuggish end of the Reds.A curse on both of them.

Nice second attempt at baiting ---- but during that time the situation in the South had escalated by Thaksin's plan. He was telling the Army what to do. You can't cry about Baangkok's use of troops being Abhisit's (it is!) and then say that the South didn't belong to Thaksin.

Reds were directly quoted as saying they would target journalists. Reds (Sae Daeng's Ronin) did apparently fire into reds deliberately to increase the body count on April 10th and there is no reason to think they did not later. The basic premise of the reds was that provoking violence from the government would cause the governent to collapse. That has so far proven to be a flawed idea. Why? Oh yeah! The reds announced in advance that they were NOT PEACEFUL and that they had no intention of being peaceful.

Apparently people will excuse the use of the army to put down one armed insurgency and not another.

If the reds had been unarmed then sending in police (in an intelligent way) would have been the way to proceed. Since the reds ARE (still) armed ... the army was the answer.

For the reds saying that troops were firing indiscriminately into the reds, you will have to explain why so few died! Yes, every death is a sad thing. No, it is not an evil thing when those that died were attacking fixed military positions.

I guess people missed the point when you saw people on the red side baiting the troops with firecrackers etc. (Covering for rifle fire?) I guess people missed where EVERY international mews source described "firefights" which by definition means that people on BOTH sides were shooting!

[gemini81]

The protests should have been put down by the police, using tear gas and batons, as was the case against the PAD when the PPP government were in power. Things were done correctly using the Police.

The present government has made clear errors, by not using the police.

The next error was calling the army.

The next error was allowing the army to use lethal force.

Why did they not use the police ? They should never have called in the army.

If the government has no control over the police then it should have stood down and had elections and allowed a new government in that had the power.

I am afraid the "double standards" are going to get worse and worse.

Has the Bangkok governor been moved to an inactive post as Bangkok burnt ? NO

So why has the governors of Isaan provinces been moved to inactive posts because there were fires in their provinces ?

Has any Bangkok police chiefs been moved for failing to control the crowds ? for failing to follow orders ? NO

So why have police chiefs in Isaan been moved to inactive posts due to the fires ?

It is clear that horrendous double standards are still ongoing. If the government did not use the police then

Why ?

And if the answer is not obeying orders then.... why has no Bangkok police been moved to inactive posts ?

It seems there are strange double standards going on, very strange.

Same old song and dance from you.

The police often ARE the red shirts.

Not enough police and not enough well armed.

Too bad you weren't there when the soldiers came.

[jdinasia]

You're putting Tak Bai solely on the Army, even though Thaksin was Prime Minister at the time. Fair enough. But if you do that, then similarly you would have to put the 80 deaths solely on the Army and thus PM Abhisit is innocent then?

Perfectly fair observation but there's a difference.Obviously as PM, Thaksin should take responsibility for Tak Bai and for ensuring the senior officers concerned were brought to justice.He didn't and he is rightly blamed.However I don't think anyone maintains that Thaksin was in the command and control aspect of the Tak Bai operation.Abhisit was closely indeed completely involved in the crack down on the Reds.There's the difference.

You are almost right --- The plan in the South was Thaksin's plan. I agree that Abhisit has to answer for using the army in BKK. Since there is plenty of evidence of armed insurrectionists and yes terrorists in the red group it makes his use of the military sensible.

If you want to compare apples to apples ---- The security forces operating under Abhisit's orders didn't pack people that had surrendered or been captured into trucks to die.

[timekeeper]

On CNN at 7.12 pm Thai time - new footage of men in black up close and identifiable + shooting in the temple examined.. /via @danieljerivers

just watched this and Dan Rivers and CNN may just have redeemed themselves

this clip must be manna from heaven for Abhisit

it shows a number of 'men in black' accompanied by their Red guards.

some are unmasked with full frontal facial shots for easy ID

most importantly they are fully armed, with holstered pistols, ammunition and M16's slung over their shoulders

it will be hard to dispute whether the 'men in black' exist now and that they worked in tandem with red guards

it will only be a matter of hours before at least one of them will be identified

right on cue CNN..........

[473geo]

On CNN at 7.12 pm Thai time - new footage of men in black up close and identifiable + shooting in the temple examined.. /via @danieljerivers

just watched this and Dan Rivers and CNN may just have redeemed themselves

this clip must be manna from heaven for Abhisit

it shows a number of 'men in black' accompanied by their Red guards.

some are unmasked with full frontal facial shots for easy ID

most importantly they are fully armed, with holstered pistols, ammunition and M16's slung over their shoulders

it will be hard to dispute whether the 'men in black' exist now and that they worked in tandem with red guards

it will only be a matter of hours before at least one of them will be identified

right on cue CNN..........

Did you enjoy your holiday..........men in black exist?......has been known for weeks.....an actor was arrested weeks ago after a photo of him was distributed.....a man in black

[timekeeper]

On CNN at 7.12 pm Thai time - new footage of men in black up close and identifiable + shooting in the temple examined.. /via @danieljerivers

just watched this and Dan Rivers and CNN may just have redeemed themselves

this clip must be manna from heaven for Abhisit

it shows a number of 'men in black' accompanied by their Red guards.

some are unmasked with full frontal facial shots for easy ID

most importantly they are fully armed, with holstered pistols, ammunition and M16's slung over their shoulders

it will be hard to dispute whether the 'men in black' exist now and that they worked in tandem with red guards

it will only be a matter of hours before at least one of them will be identified

right on cue CNN..........

Did you enjoy your holiday..........men in black exist?......has been known for weeks.....an actor was arrested weeks ago after a photo of him was distributed.....a man in black

what holiday?

did you see the clip on CNN?

thought not

better to be thought a fool.......

[gl9999]

On CNN at 7.12 pm Thai time - new footage of men in black up close and identifiable + shooting in the temple examined.. /via @danieljerivers

just watched this and Dan Rivers and CNN may just have redeemed themselves

this clip must be manna from heaven for Abhisit

it shows a number of 'men in black' accompanied by their Red guards.

some are unmasked with full frontal facial shots for easy ID

most importantly they are fully armed, with holstered pistols, ammunition and M16's slung over their shoulders

it will be hard to dispute whether the 'men in black' exist now and that they worked in tandem with red guards

it will only be a matter of hours before at least one of them will be identified

right on cue CNN..........

Haha I'm just curious to see how the Red shits here put a spin to this!

[kissdani]

If a group had taken and terrorized Times Square in New York, the US National Guard would have opened fire after about the second day, not the 60th, but then in "free" America, protesters wouldn't have been able to pull off what the Reds did in BKK. They would have been shot before the barricades ever got up.

The USA army also kills civilians of other countries and the president get the Nobel prize for it.

But Thailand is not the USA and here in Thailand not everybody will agree when the army kills the own people and there will be an investigation and a debate about it.

[Skywalker69]

Abhisit is starting to sound like a clown with his pathetic excuses and inability to take responsibility.

This is what we would expect from Thaskin disciples

Good comment, thanks

[kissdani]

Plus the journalists they aren't reds, and some of those were red victims too and the woman killed in the skytrain attack.

Two journalists died Hiroyuki Muramoto and Fabio Polenghi, Mr Polenghi appears to have been shot by the army see here. Hiroyuki died on April 10 and it seems he was standing with the army when he was shot so we can assume he was shot by blackshirts.

Other journalists who were shot but lived include Nelson Rand and Nation photographer Chaiwat Pumpuang both of whom were shot by army. While a Canadian journalist Chandler was hit by shrapnel from a grenade fired at the army positions, which also injured 3 soldiers quite seriously, again Blackshirts must be responsible for this.

The Sala Daeng M79 attack now that is a strange one remember what Suthep told us "The M79 grenades were fired from behind the Rama 6 monument", this was 3 hours after the grenade attack in a statement on ASTV. Also Deputy Bangkok Governor Thirachon Manomaipibul said video records from security cameras of the BTS' Saladaeng station showed that m79 grenades were fired from the Lumpini Park. We still haven't seen this video evidence.

Then we have Khunying MD Pornthip telling us in her report that the grenades were fried from inside Chulalongkorn hospital see here.

The same hospital that refused to treat police officers injured fighting the PAD in 2008.see here.

So it is not so clear cut to me where this BTS attack can be attributed to.

Their ought to be an inquiry into the actions of journalists during the protests. While watching TV there always seemed to be dozens of reporters in very dangerous areas. I think they put themselves at risk and they should acknowledge their reckless behavior that endangered themselves and potentially some of the soldiers who they were with. I know they want to tell the story, but many "journalists" were freelance and maybe hoping to make a buck with the best shots. Given their actions I don't think the government could have protected them all, consider that many from a distance would have appeared exactly like the reds. Black vests and motorcycle helmets. I hope they think twice before running into similar situations in the future.

???

Because some journalists wearing black shirts and maybe also motocycle helmets or looking like local civilians it is justified for the army to shoot at them from a distance?

[473geo]

On CNN at 7.12 pm Thai time - new footage of men in black up close and identifiable + shooting in the temple examined.. /via @danieljerivers

just watched this and Dan Rivers and CNN may just have redeemed themselves

this clip must be manna from heaven for Abhisit

it shows a number of 'men in black' accompanied by their Red guards.

some are unmasked with full frontal facial shots for easy ID

most importantly they are fully armed, with holstered pistols, ammunition and M16's slung over their shoulders

it will be hard to dispute whether the 'men in black' exist now and that they worked in tandem with red guards

it will only be a matter of hours before at least one of them will be identified

right on cue CNN..........

Did you enjoy your holiday..........men in black exist?......has been known for weeks.....an actor was arrested weeks ago after a photo of him was distributed.....a man in black

what holiday?

did you see the clip on CNN?

thought not

better to be thought a fool.......

..........you have just removed all doubt......thank you

[Skywalker69]

Does anyone know the international standards for evicting a large mob of criminals from a barricaded section of a major city? What is done in the UK or the USA when armed terrorists occupy the streets and attack security forces? Suggesting that there is a standard method for dealing with the Thai crisis is ridiculous, when has a similar event happened anywhere else?

But Chad dont you remember this was a peaceful rally till the army marched in. Abhisit or whoever had control stuffed it right up. They let the UDD, PT, whoever, right in the door. The traffic was still flowing it was like a carnival for many people not only the reds. That fateful night apr10 the army marched towards the protesters, no barricades. All hel_l broke loose, what a stuff up. Had the controller, Abhisit, whoever, waited for them to make a wrong move. He would be a hero,

Peacefull? In what Western Country would the government allow people to storm the parlament?

Whatch the link of "peacefull red sh*theads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0hsju-roFw

[jdinasia]

Storming parliament isn't as much of an issue as threatening the lives of judges and members of the EC .. which the reds have also done.

BTW it is a clear and nice night right now inside the moat. The red shirt stage has not returned from where it was removed behind Wat Phra Sing

[473geo]

Does anyone know the international standards for evicting a large mob of criminals from a barricaded section of a major city? What is done in the UK or the USA when armed terrorists occupy the streets and attack security forces? Suggesting that there is a standard method for dealing with the Thai crisis is ridiculous, when has a similar event happened anywhere else?

But Chad dont you remember this was a peaceful rally till the army marched in. Abhisit or whoever had control stuffed it right up. They let the UDD, PT, whoever, right in the door. The traffic was still flowing it was like a carnival for many people not only the reds. That fateful night apr10 the army marched towards the protesters, no barricades. All hel_l broke loose, what a stuff up. Had the controller, Abhisit, whoever, waited for them to make a wrong move. He would be a hero,

Peacefull? In what Western Country would the government allow people to storm the parlament?

Whatch the link of "peacefull red sh*theads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0hsju-roFw

I do believe on a couple of occasions in the last few years people have been on the roof of parliament and entered the actual chamber in the UK..........army didn't get permission to use live ammo as I recall

Edited May 31, 2010 by 473geo

[gl9999]

Does anyone know the international standards for evicting a large mob of criminals from a barricaded section of a major city? What is done in the UK or the USA when armed terrorists occupy the streets and attack security forces? Suggesting that there is a standard method for dealing with the Thai crisis is ridiculous, when has a similar event happened anywhere else?

But Chad dont you remember this was a peaceful rally till the army marched in. Abhisit or whoever had control stuffed it right up. They let the UDD, PT, whoever, right in the door. The traffic was still flowing it was like a carnival for many people not only the reds. That fateful night apr10 the army marched towards the protesters, no barricades. All hel_l broke loose, what a stuff up. Had the controller, Abhisit, whoever, waited for them to make a wrong move. He would be a hero,

Peacefull? In what Western Country would the government allow people to storm the parlament?

Whatch the link of "peacefull red sh*theads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0hsju-roFw

Hahaha the Red Shit progandists will say that in that video, the unarmed and peaceful protesters were getting attacked by the evil armed soldiers and they were just defending themselves!

[jdinasia]

Does anyone know the international standards for evicting a large mob of criminals from a barricaded section of a major city? What is done in the UK or the USA when armed terrorists occupy the streets and attack security forces? Suggesting that there is a standard method for dealing with the Thai crisis is ridiculous, when has a similar event happened anywhere else?

But Chad dont you remember this was a peaceful rally till the army marched in. Abhisit or whoever had control stuffed it right up. They let the UDD, PT, whoever, right in the door. The traffic was still flowing it was like a carnival for many people not only the reds. That fateful night apr10 the army marched towards the protesters, no barricades. All hel_l broke loose, what a stuff up. Had the controller, Abhisit, whoever, waited for them to make a wrong move. He would be a hero,

Peacefull? In what Western Country would the government allow people to storm the parlament?

Whatch the link of "peacefull red sh*theads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0hsju-roFw

I do believe on a couple of occasions in the last few years people have been on the roof of parliament and entered the actual chamber in the UK..........army didn't get permission to use live ammo as I recall

They didn't use live ammo here for that either. If they had there wouldn't be a manhunt for Arisaman

edit ----- BTW was Parliament in Session in the UK at the time?

Edited May 31, 2010 by jdinasia

[yoshiwara]

Plus the journalists they aren't reds, and some of those were red victims too and the woman killed in the skytrain attack.

Two journalists died Hiroyuki Muramoto and Fabio Polenghi, Mr Polenghi appears to have been shot by the army see here. Hiroyuki died on April 10 and it seems he was standing with the army when he was shot so we can assume he was shot by blackshirts.

Other journalists who were shot but lived include Nelson Rand and Nation photographer Chaiwat Pumpuang both of whom were shot by army. While a Canadian journalist Chandler was hit by shrapnel from a grenade fired at the army positions, which also injured 3 soldiers quite seriously, again Blackshirts must be responsible for this.

The Sala Daeng M79 attack now that is a strange one remember what Suthep told us "The M79 grenades were fired from behind the Rama 6 monument", this was 3 hours after the grenade attack in a statement on ASTV. Also Deputy Bangkok Governor Thirachon Manomaipibul said video records from security cameras of the BTS' Saladaeng station showed that m79 grenades were fired from the Lumpini Park. We still haven't seen this video evidence.

Then we have Khunying MD Pornthip telling us in her report that the grenades were fried from inside Chulalongkorn hospital see here.

The same hospital that refused to treat police officers injured fighting the PAD in 2008.see here.

So it is not so clear cut to me where this BTS attack can be attributed to.

Their ought to be an inquiry into the actions of journalists during the protests. While watching TV there always seemed to be dozens of reporters in very dangerous areas. I think they put themselves at risk and they should acknowledge their reckless behavior that endangered themselves and potentially some of the soldiers who they were with. I know they want to tell the story, but many "journalists" were freelance and maybe hoping to make a buck with the best shots. Given their actions I don't think the government could have protected them all, consider that many from a distance would have appeared exactly like the reds. Black vests and motorcycle helmets. I hope they think twice before running into similar situations in the future.

???

Because some journalists wearing black shirts and maybe also motocycle helmets or looking like local civilians it is justified for the army to shoot at them from a distance?

Of all the piss-poor explanations that one takes the cake.

I guess we should pad this one out with a 'did you know darling that for Thailand fashion this year 'black is the new black'?

[473geo]

I do believe on a couple of occasions in the last few years people have been on the roof of parliament and entered the actual chamber in the UK..........army didn't get permission to use live ammo as I recall

They didn't use live ammo here for that either. If they had there wouldn't be a manhunt for Arisaman

I didn't suggest they did JD just replying to the question........

[shrekroma]

The security forces operating under Abhisit's orders didn't pack people that had surrendered or been captured into trucks to die.

Yep. Abhisit is a good man. Under his orders, soldiers shot people in the head, cellbrain splash all over infront of camera.

and ?

"Thaksin hired blk man"

yeah right....

[jdinasia]

I didn't suggest they did JD just replying to the question........

So ... just muddying the waters. Fairly typical of the redshirts.

Was Parliament in session in the UK at the time and how many people were there? (Just to clearly point out that you are not in fact answering the question .. about "mobs"

[jdinasia]

The security forces operating under Abhisit's orders didn't pack people that had surrendered or been captured into trucks to die.

Yep. Abhisit is a good man. Under his orders, soldiers shot people in the head, cellbrain splash all over infront of camera.

and ?

"Thaksin hired blk man"

yeah right....

Hmmm Abhisit ordered the troops to create a perimeter (or rather The Army chief did but it amounts to the same thing at the moment -- since Anupong was doing as the government instructed -- a refreshing change!) The Reds attacked. The Army didn't move into Rachprasong until AFTER the leader surrendered.

You say Soldiers shot people in the head. Probably true in more than one occasion though that has yet to be proven.

Thaksin hired Sae Daeng --- Sae Daeng trained the Ronin ---- yes ... that is a direct line for the terrorism charge.

[473geo]

I didn't suggest they did JD just replying to the question........

So ... just muddying the waters. Fairly typical of the redshirts.

Was Parliament in session in the UK at the time and how many people were there? (Just to clearly point out that you are not in fact answering the question .. about "mobs"

Was in session and I think 5 people entered the chamber as I recall armed with lethal bags of flour......... .......don't think they were given the label terrorist......but you know my memory is not what it used to be..... ...........I think some of the politicians became white suits..... .

3 parliamentary protests I can think of, - "rights for fathers" - Greenpeace climate change protest - Heathrow 3rd runway.........I don't think any were charged with terrorism offences ...........need any more mud in the water.....

Edited May 31, 2010 by 473geo

[kissdani]

Nice attempt at baiting --- yet a failure again. The military were surely armed! They, however, were not a mob. Your boys in red were (both armed and a mob) You mean Tak Bai that was one of Thaksin's babies? Or were you referring to some other atrocity committed during Thaksin's reign?

Well done on reminding us that the reds are all about Thaksin and that Thaksin is reponsible for so many many many many more Thai deaths than anyone has yet accused Abhisit of. Then again Thaksin isn't preening anywhere these days, he's just trying to find a safe country to hide in since The big guy in Montenegro has already indicated they have a way of dealing with Thaksin's citizenship if it becomes an issue.

One has in the grimmest of circumstances (Tak Bai) have to wonder at the mindset of zealots who apparently believe that the Thai army had nothing to do with Tak Bai and other massacres.It was one of Thaksin;s "babies" we are told.Quite amazing.

No doubt we will shortly be told by this genius that Red demonstrators shot themselves in the back, and then turned their attention to journalists and those seeking refuge in a temple.

One can more or less understand when the elite take action to protect their interests, but when no account visa runners start pitching in on their behalf, it's unbelievable.This fellow is really just the counterpart of that English moron who took up with the thuggish end of the Reds.A curse on both of them.

Nice second attempt at baiting ---- but during that time the situation in the South had escalated by Thaksin's plan. He was telling the Army what to do. You can't cry about Baangkok's use of troops being Abhisit's (it is!) and then say that the South didn't belong to Thaksin.

Reds were directly quoted as saying they would target journalists. Reds (Sae Daeng's Ronin) did apparently fire into reds deliberately to increase the body count on April 10th and there is no reason to think they did not later. The basic premise of the reds was that provoking violence from the government would cause the governent to collapse. That has so far proven to be a flawed idea. Why? Oh yeah! The reds announced in advance that they were NOT PEACEFUL and that they had no intention of being peaceful.

Apparently people will excuse the use of the army to put down one armed insurgency and not another.

If the reds had been unarmed then sending in police (in an intelligent way) would have been the way to proceed. Since the reds ARE (still) armed ... the army was the answer.

For the reds saying that troops were firing indiscriminately into the reds, you will have to explain why so few died! Yes, every death is a sad thing. No, it is not an evil thing when those that died were attacking fixed military positions.

I guess people missed the point when you saw people on the red side baiting the troops with firecrackers etc. (Covering for rifle fire?) I guess people missed where EVERY international mews source described "firefights" which by definition means that people on BOTH sides were shooting!

"Reds were directly quoted as saying they would target journalists. " Who, when and where? Do you have a source, a link?

Do you have evidence that "Reds (Sae Daeng's Ronin) did apparently fire into reds deliberately to increase the body count on April 10th"? a link to a source?

"For the reds saying that troops were firing indiscriminately into the reds, you will have to explain why so few died!" How many people have to die that you would call it not a few anymore but a signifiant number, that proves the army most have shot and killed some of them.

[chantorn]

Does anyone know the international standards for evicting a large mob of criminals from a barricaded section of a major city? What is done in the UK or the USA when armed terrorists occupy the streets and attack security forces? Suggesting that there is a standard method for dealing with the Thai crisis is ridiculous, when has a similar event happened anywhere else?

But Chad dont you remember this was a peaceful rally till the army marched in. Abhisit or whoever had control stuffed it right up. They let the UDD, PT, whoever, right in the door. The traffic was still flowing it was like a carnival for many people not only the reds. That fateful night apr10 the army marched towards the protesters, no barricades. All hel_l broke loose, what a stuff up. Had the controller, Abhisit, whoever, waited for them to make a wrong move. He would be a hero,

Peacefull? In what Western Country would the government allow people to storm the parlament?

Whatch the link of "peacefull red sh*theads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0hsju-roFw

Thailand? Taiwan? I wonder if Obama knows the difference?

[gl9999]

Nice attempt at baiting --- yet a failure again. The military were surely armed! They, however, were not a mob. Your boys in red were (both armed and a mob) You mean Tak Bai that was one of Thaksin's babies? Or were you referring to some other atrocity committed during Thaksin's reign?

Well done on reminding us that the reds are all about Thaksin and that Thaksin is reponsible for so many many many many more Thai deaths than anyone has yet accused Abhisit of. Then again Thaksin isn't preening anywhere these days, he's just trying to find a safe country to hide in since The big guy in Montenegro has already indicated they have a way of dealing with Thaksin's citizenship if it becomes an issue.

One has in the grimmest of circumstances (Tak Bai) have to wonder at the mindset of zealots who apparently believe that the Thai army had nothing to do with Tak Bai and other massacres.It was one of Thaksin;s "babies" we are told.Quite amazing.

No doubt we will shortly be told by this genius that Red demonstrators shot themselves in the back, and then turned their attention to journalists and those seeking refuge in a temple.

One can more or less understand when the elite take action to protect their interests, but when no account visa runners start pitching in on their behalf, it's unbelievable.This fellow is really just the counterpart of that English moron who took up with the thuggish end of the Reds.A curse on both of them.

Nice second attempt at baiting ---- but during that time the situation in the South had escalated by Thaksin's plan. He was telling the Army what to do. You can't cry about Baangkok's use of troops being Abhisit's (it is!) and then say that the South didn't belong to Thaksin.

Reds were directly quoted as saying they would target journalists. Reds (Sae Daeng's Ronin) did apparently fire into reds deliberately to increase the body count on April 10th and there is no reason to think they did not later. The basic premise of the reds was that provoking violence from the government would cause the governent to collapse. That has so far proven to be a flawed idea. Why? Oh yeah! The reds announced in advance that they were NOT PEACEFUL and that they had no intention of being peaceful.

Apparently people will excuse the use of the army to put down one armed insurgency and not another.

If the reds had been unarmed then sending in police (in an intelligent way) would have been the way to proceed. Since the reds ARE (still) armed ... the army was the answer.

For the reds saying that troops were firing indiscriminately into the reds, you will have to explain why so few died! Yes, every death is a sad thing. No, it is not an evil thing when those that died were attacking fixed military positions.

I guess people missed the point when you saw people on the red side baiting the troops with firecrackers etc. (Covering for rifle fire?) I guess people missed where EVERY international mews source described "firefights" which by definition means that people on BOTH sides were shooting!

"Reds were directly quoted as saying they would target journalists. " Who, when and where? Do you have a source, a link?

Do you have evidence that "Reds (Sae Daeng's Ronin) did apparently fire into reds deliberately to increase the body count on April 10th"? a link to a source?

"For the reds saying that troops were firing indiscriminately into the reds, you will have to explain why so few died!" How many people have to die that you would call it not a few anymore but a signifiant number, that proves the army most have shot and killed some of them.

http://australianetworknews.com/stories/20...158.htm?desktop

"They warned that they will continue their fight and that they will target both Thai and foreign journalists."

Are you going to tell us now that Australians are working for PM Abhisit now and are smearing the Red Shits?

While 80 seems a bigger number, if the troops had gone full auto and really did fire indiscriminately into the crowd, the casualties really could have gone into 3 or even 4 digits. However, Red sympathizers only see what they want to see. Even if 10 people died, to them, the soldiers fired 'indiscriminately' into the crowd.

[BigBikeBKK]

Abhisit is starting to sound like a clown with his pathetic excuses and inability to take responsibility.

You're suggesting that the government should have allowed the violent well armed red mob to hold Bangkok hostage indefinitely? I think Abhisit handled the situation admirably and is to be congratulated on finally running those terrorists out of town.

[kissdani]

The security forces operating under Abhisit's orders didn't pack people that had surrendered or been captured into trucks to die.

Yep. Abhisit is a good man. Under his orders, soldiers shot people in the head, cellbrain splash all over infront of camera.

and ?

"Thaksin hired blk man"

yeah right....

Hmmm Abhisit ordered the troops to create a perimeter (or rather The Army chief did but it amounts to the same thing at the moment -- since Anupong was doing as the government instructed -- a refreshing change!) The Reds attacked. The Army didn't move into Rachprasong until AFTER the leader surrendered.

You say Soldiers shot people in the head. Probably true in more than one occasion though that has yet to be proven.

Thaksin hired Sae Daeng --- Sae Daeng trained the Ronin ---- yes ... that is a direct line for the terrorism charge.

Thaksin hired Seh Daeng? They know each other, Seh Daeng visited him in Dubai. But did Thaksin really hired Seh Daeng? Is there a contract? What is your source?

You have so much insight information that make you very suspicious and puts you almost in the middle of your "direct line"