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Jaw Dropper Of The Day

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oh boy, I bet you are really proud too :o

Mieux vaut une tête bien faite qu'une tête bien pleine - Montaigne
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oh boy, I bet you are really proud too  :o

Mieux vaut une tête bien faite qu'une tête bien pleine - Montaigne

"Pride makes us artificial and humility makes us real"

--Thomas Merton

American and Trappist Monk at Our Lady of Gethsemani Abbey in Trappist, Kentucky, 1915-1968 (Died in Bangkok)

Finis.

"Pride makes us artificial and humility makes us real"

--Thomas Merton

American and Trappist Monk at Our Lady of Gethsemani Abbey in Trappist, Kentucky, 1915-1968 (Died in Bangkok)

...and I wrote them.

Humility indeed :o

And another jaw dropper for our "patriots" friends here :o

The American Dream is still alive :D

Two Illegal Immigrants Win Arizona Ranch in Court Fight

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/19/national/19ranch.html?hp

DOUGLAS, Ariz., Aug. 18 - Spent shells litter the ground at what is left of the firing range, and camouflage outfits still hang in a storeroom. Just a few months ago, this ranch was known as Camp Thunderbird, the headquarters of a paramilitary group that promised to use force to keep illegal immigrants from sneaking across the border with Mexico.

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David Bowser for The New York Times

A windmill tower in Douglas, Ariz., was a lookout point for members of a group that tried to prevent illegal immigrants from crossing the border.

The New York Times

Camp Thunderbird is two miles from the Mexican border.

Now, in a turnabout, the 70-acre property about two miles from the border is being given to two immigrants whom the group caught trying to enter the United States illegally.

The land transfer is being made to satisfy judgments in a lawsuit in which the immigrants had said that Casey Nethercott, the owner of the ranch and a former leader of the vigilante group Ranch Rescue, had harmed them.

"Certainly it's poetic justice that these undocumented workers own this land," said Morris S. Dees Jr., co-founder and chief trial counsel of the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., which represented the immigrants in their lawsuit.

Mr. Dees said the loss of the ranch would "send a pretty important message to those who come to the border to use violence."

The surrender of the ranch comes as the governors of Arizona and New Mexico have declared a state of emergency because of the influx of illegal immigrants and related crime along the border.

Bill Dore, a Douglas resident briefly affiliated with Ranch Rescue who is still active in the border-patrolling Minuteman Project, called the land transfer "ridiculous."

"The illegals are coming over here," Mr. Dore said. "They are getting the American property. ######, I'd come over, too. Get some American property, make some money from the gringos."

The immigrants getting the ranch, Edwin Alfredo Mancía Gonzáles and Fátima del Socorro Leiva Medina, could not be reached for comment. Kelley Bruner, a lawyer at the law center, said they did not want to speak to the news media but were happy with the outcome.

Ms. Bruner said that Mr. Mancía and Ms. Leiva, who are from El Salvador but are not related, would not live at the ranch and would probably sell it. Mr. Nethercott bought the ranch in 2003 for $120,000.

Mr. Mancía, who lives in Los Angeles, and Ms. Leiva, who lives in the Dallas area, have applied for visas that are available to immigrants who are the victims of certain crimes and who cooperate with the authorities, Ms. Bruner said. She said that until a decision was made on their applications, they could stay and work in the United States on a year-to-year basis.

Mr. Mancía and Ms. Leiva were caught on a ranch in Hebbronville, Tex., in March 2003 by Mr. Nethercott and other members of Ranch Rescue. The two immigrants later accused Mr. Nethercott of threatening them and of hitting Mr. Mancía with a pistol, charges that Mr. Nethercott denied. The immigrants also said the group gave them cookies, water and a blanket and let them go after an hour or so.

The Salvadorans testified against Mr. Nethercott when he was tried by Texas prosecutors. The jury deadlocked on a charge of pistol-whipping but convicted Mr. Nethercott, who had previously served time in California for assault, of gun possession, which is illegal for a felon. He is now serving a five-year sentence in a Texas prison.

Mr. Mancía and Ms. Leiva also filed a lawsuit against Mr. Nethercott; Jack Foote, the founder of Ranch Rescue; and the owner of the Hebbronville ranch, Joe Sutton. The immigrants said the ordeal, in which they feared that they would be killed by the men they thought were soldiers, had left them with post-traumatic stress.

Mr. Sutton settled for $100,000. Mr. Nethercott and Mr. Foote did not defend themselves, so the judge issued default judgments of $850,000 against Mr. Nethercott and $500,000 against Mr. Foote.

Mr. Dees said Mr. Foote appeared to have no substantial assets, but Mr. Nethercott had the ranch. Shortly after the judgment, Mr. Nethercott gave the land to his sister, Robin Albitz, of Prescott, Ariz. The Southern Poverty Law Center sued the siblings, saying the transfer was fraudulent and was meant to avoid the judgment.

Ms. Albitz, a nursing assistant, signed over the land to the two immigrants last week.

Being proud of where you come from is a crime now, Butterfly?

What in your sorry little life p1ssed you off so much that you gotta slag everyone here who posts?

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Being proud of where you come from is a crime now, Butterfly?

What in your sorry little life p1ssed you off so much that you gotta slag everyone here who posts?

Well, if you've noticed, K. Butterfly joined TV back in '03 but he hasn't been what might be described as a 'steady' poster hereabouts! :o

Being proud of where you come from is a crime now, Butterfly?

What in your sorry little life p1ssed you off so much that you gotta slag everyone here who posts?

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Can you read ? where did I say that ?

thaibebop I know reading comprehension is not your strong and you get pissed quite easily when you don't understand something (see your other thread when you start to insult people for failing to understand something)

I just get pissed off with stupidity and extreme naivity :D They are easy targets. I know I am a lazy SOB :o

Why don't you go back in your sandbox and stay there, adults are having real conversation here :D

I think TM just dropped a WMD!

Now, that's a mushroom cloud! :o

:D

Only for your like and their wet dreams of defeating terrorism with violence. You are fooled easily aren't you ? :D even by a pseudo intellectual who is well written but has not much to say in substance.

Being proud of where you come from is a crime now......?

I'm sure its not a crime but I wonder what Buddhist doctrine has to say about pride....and whether its helpful or not.

Being proud of where you come from is a crime now......?

I'm sure its not a crime but I wonder what Buddhist doctrine has to say about pride....and whether its helpful or not.

Interesting point, Chowner, but in the western world where most of Thaivisa's members exist (I choose my words carefully), there is a distinction between pride and vanity.

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"Pride goeth before a fall" --Shakespere

Being proud of where you come from is a crime now......?

I'm sure its not a crime but I wonder what Buddhist doctrine has to say about pride....and whether its helpful or not.

Interesting point, Chowner, but in the western world where most of Thaivisa's members exist (I choose my words carefully), there is a distinction between pride and vanity.

If a distinction needs to be made between pride and vanity then I restate my comment: I wonder what Buddhist doctrine has to say about pride and vanity....and whether each is helpful or not.

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Being proud of where you come from is a crime now......?

I'm sure its not a crime but I wonder what Buddhist doctrine has to say about pride....and whether its helpful or not.

Interesting point, Chowner, but in the western world where most of Thaivisa's members exist (I choose my words carefully), there is a distinction between pride and vanity.

If a distinction needs to be made between pride and vanity then I restate my comment: I wonder what Buddhist doctrine has to say about pride and vanity....and whether each is helpful or not.

Perhaps to ask this question in the Buddhist Thread might bear more results? :o

DU - The Ticking Nuke

In Bush's White House

War Room

By Dave Lindorff

8-16-5

Quietly, and under the radar for now, a movement is growing across the country that could blow up White House war planning and finish off the U.S. adventure in Iraq.

That movement is state-by-state legislation to provide for testing of returning National Guard troops for signs of contamination by depleted uranium.

Kicked off in Connecticut by a feisty Democratic state representative from New Haven named Patricia Dillon, a woman who was trained in epidemiology at Yale--her bill passed the state legislature in July unanimously, and goes into effect this October, about the time many Connecticut Guard troops will finally be coming home from Iraq--the measure has copycats hard at work in some 14-20 other states. Louisiana has already passed a similar law.

The military has been insisting that the 3000 tons of DU munitions it has blown up in Iraq in this war so far (and the 1000 tons more it has exploded and fired off in Afghanistan) are safe for troops and for civilians, though there is no real data to prove this because the Pentagon has vigorously resisted testing returning troops (only 270 so far, and using a far-from-state-of-the-art test) and the State Department and Pentagon have barred UN or other outside testers from looking into DU contamination in Iraq.

The official line --really an obfuscation--is that Uranium is only minimally radioactive. While this is true, it is chemically toxic in minute trace amounts, because Uranium ions are actually attracted to bond with DNA, where they can wreak havoc with cells (especially the cells of developing fetuses).

Meanwhile, an early small test sample of nine returned NY State National Guard soldiers, financed by the NY Daily News, found four, or nearly half the sample, to be clearly DU contaminated, with the others showing obvious symptoms (headaches, renal and neurological problems, etc.).

If even a much smaller proportion than 44% of the tens of thousands of U.S. Guard troops who get tested in Connecticut, Louisiana and other states prove to be contaminated with uranium from U.S. weapons, more states are bound to establish similar testing laws. Beyond that, reservists and active duty troops and veterans, all already anxious about the issue, are certain to start demanding the sophisticated tests.

Meanwhile, if DU tests start showing serious contamination of U.S. troops, how are Iraqis going to react? Already Iraqis are troubled by a dramatic (seven-fold) rise in childhood cancers and birth defects, particularly in the south.

Unlike in the first Gulf War, when all 300 tons of DU used was fired off in the Kuwaiti and Iraqi desert, this time nearly 10 times as much DU has largely been exploded and burned in urban fighting, putting the dust right in the path of millions of civilians.

This bomb is ticking...

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Well, boys, the preceding post certainly proves the title of this thread! :o:D:D

Being proud of where you come from is a crime now......?

I'm sure its not a crime but I wonder what Buddhist doctrine has to say about pride....and whether its helpful or not.

Interesting point, Chowner, but in the western world where most of Thaivisa's members exist (I choose my words carefully), there is a distinction between pride and vanity.

If a distinction needs to be made between pride and vanity then I restate my comment: I wonder what Buddhist doctrine has to say about pride and vanity....and whether each is helpful or not.

Perhaps to ask this question in the Buddhist Thread might bear more results? :o

I did just that.

And another jaw dropper for our "patriots" friends here :D

The American Dream is still alive :D

That is part of what I am talking about. I could back through all your posts to show how it is you speak to the other people on this forum. It is not for you to judge people, yet you speak to every one as if you are god's gift to the world, like you are smartest person to ever post online and anyone who disagrees with deserves to punished by your ever expending understanding of the universe.

You are a person who posts here becuase you get off on trying to make other people feel bad. Why, what's wrong with your life?

You are the kind of person I wouldn't even share a street corner with.

Adult? :o

And another jaw dropper for our "patriots" friends here  :D

The American Dream is still alive  :D

That is part of what I am talking about. I could back through all your posts to show how it is you speak to the other people on this forum. It is not for you to judge people, yet you speak to every one as if you are god's gift to the world, like you are smartest person to ever post online and anyone who disagrees with deserves to punished by your ever expending understanding of the universe.

You are a person who posts here becuase you get off on trying to make other people feel bad. Why, what's wrong with your life?

You are the kind of person I wouldn't even share a street corner with.

Adult? :o

Fear not – this insect is nothing, and certainly not worth your time.

Not only has he been unable to argue his appeasement approach to terrorism, with his use of stupid little catch phrases like “terrorism is the poor man’s atom bomb” (which copy of Socialist Worker did he steal that from, I wonder?) – but he has been reduced, like all losers, to accusing his opponents of his own inadequacies.

It seems he is using a similar approach in other threads.

Some people will never learn.

Fear not – this insect is nothing, and certainly not worth your time.

Not only has he been unable to argue his appeasement approach to terrorism, with his use of stupid little catch phrases like “terrorism is the poor man’s atom bomb”  (which copy of Socialist Worker did he steal that from, I wonder?)  – but he has been reduced, like all losers, to accusing his opponents of his own inadequacies.

It seems he is using a similar approach in other threads.

Some people will never learn.

:D

For a while I wasn't sure if you were serious about your posts here and else where but it has become clear that you are indeed nothing more than a pseudo savant who think too much of himself and think his "pseudo" intellectualism here make him someone in the real world :D

"socialist worker" :o I think you have showed your true colors little man :D

"loser" ? I thought you were beyond that, that is insulting others your majeste :D

I think you have proved beyond reasonable doubt that you are nothing more than an intellectual poseur. Those links on that site are beyond pathetic if they are indeed from you. Straw man arguments will not get you anywhere. You are a lazy mind, try harder.

And another jaw dropper for our "patriots" friends here  :D

The American Dream is still alive  :D

That is part of what I am talking about. I could back through all your posts to show how it is you speak to the other people on this forum. It is not for you to judge people, yet you speak to every one as if you are god's gift to the world, like you are smartest person to ever post online and anyone who disagrees with deserves to punished by your ever expending understanding of the universe.

You are a person who posts here becuase you get off on trying to make other people feel bad. Why, what's wrong with your life?

You are the kind of person I wouldn't even share a street corner with.

Adult? :D

:o

No, the real reason is that I called you and another one on your naivity and you can't admit it. I am not trying to make people feel bad but when they say stupid things and they are caught on it (like you did), they get offended and become sissy queens. Yes I am a prick for playing that trick on people, BFD :D

"loser" ? I thought you were beyond that, that is insulting others your majeste  :o

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...ignoring most of what you have written, as it, yet again confirms, your inability to shake off your "accusing your opponents of your own inadequacies" style - I would like to clear up an obvious misunderstanding.

My use of the collective noun "losers" was not intended to convey the modern defamatory meaning associated with the term. It was meant to be interpreted with a parenthesis: losers (of an argument).

However should the cap fit, far be it from me, to prevent others from placing it upon your head.

Fear not – this insect is nothing, and certainly not worth your time.

Not only has he been unable to argue his appeasement approach to terrorism, with his use of stupid little catch phrases like “terrorism is the poor man’s atom bomb”  (which copy of Socialist Worker did he steal that from, I wonder?)  – but he has been reduced, like all losers, to accusing his opponents of his own inadequacies.

It seems he is using a similar approach in other threads.

Some people will never learn.

:D

For a while I wasn't sure if you were serious about your posts here and else where but it has become clear that you are indeed nothing more than a pseudo savant who think too much of himself and think his "pseudo" intellectualism here make him someone in the real world :D

"socialist worker" :o I think you have showed your true colors little man :D

"loser" ? I thought you were beyond that, that is insulting others your majeste :D

I think you have proved beyond reasonable doubt that you are nothing more than an intellectual poseur. Those links on that site are beyond pathetic if they are indeed from you. Straw man arguments will not get you anywhere. You are a lazy mind, try harder.

A true intellectual doesn't resort to name calling.

It's your colors that have been painted on the wall.

.... I wonder what Buddhist doctrine has to say about pride....and whether its helpful or not.

There is a big difference between pride and boasting. Pride is an essential human emotion. Trying to suppress it would be trying to not act human. I haven't studied Buddhism, but I believe part of the philosophy is to be a good and complete human.

This bomb is ticking...

Yet another nutcase post and further proof of how a little knowledge can be dangerous.

DU or more specificallly 99.8%+ U-238 is an alpha emitter. That is, it emits alpha particles when it undergoes radioactive decay. Alpha particles are only a threat if ingested in large quantities and end up near or in vital organs. Unlike gamma radiation, alpha particles do not penetrate the skin. It is a primary threat at the impact point rather than the firing point.

I wonder why you bleeding hearts get so focused on these relatively minor issues associated with localized warfare, with the more real and widespread impact of perhaps 10's of thousands of coal and oil fired power plants which throw thousands of tons of radioactive carbon and other radioactive elements into the air every year.

I think you must just enjoy being a bleeding heart regardless of the resultant problem of being blind to everything else.

"socialist worker"  :o  I think you have showed your true colors little man  :D

Have you ever seen a copy of this trash rag (Socialist Worker)? Have you ever tried to engage with the people who peddle this drivel on the streets of London? They're further to the left than you, and that's pretty hard to do.

"loser" ? I thought you were beyond that, that is insulting others your majeste  :o

..

...ignoring most of what you have written, as it, yet again confirms, your inability to shake off your "accusing your opponents of your own inadequacies" style - I would like to clear up an obvious misunderstanding.

My use of the collective noun "losers" was not intended to convey the modern defamatory meaning associated with the term. It was meant to be interpreted with a parenthesis: losers (of an argument).

However should the cap fit, far be it from me, to prevent others from placing it upon your head.

Not only are you intellectually dishonnest, but your pedantic style doesn't hide the fact that you are a "fake" and an "intellectual coward" :D

A true intellectual doesn't resort to name calling.

It's your colors that have been painted on the wall.

Oh yeah, then I guess you haven't met many :D

Not that I am surprised of that.

I don't pose myself like some here as an "intellectual". Therefore I guess it gives me more freedom when calling some people out on their BS :o

I ask questions, many questions, try to answer some of them the best I can. I am definitely not 100% right (or 100% wrong for that matter) in my answers and those answers are just attempts to reply to more difficult questions that our society and modern world is facing in these days and age. Those questions will surely not be resolved through this board.

Yes I am a "pinko" communist terrorist lover hippie, deal with it :D

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