Community Protest Against Drilling In The Gulf Of Siam

[Gatorade]

Another explosion on Gulf of Mexico rig

Now let's all go to sleep and not worry, something like this is according to the specialists on this forum not possible or likely to happen in our Gulf. What a relief.

sure

Anyone any views on the PTTEP oil spill off the great barrier reef last year?

2.4 Billion US$ Claims and the Thai company owners are refusing to pay compensation. Details in Bangkok Post.

But as posted by the forum specialists....It can't happen here!!!!!!! Why??

[limbos]

Surprisingly little press coverage about the Chinese oil spill or isn't it?

[crusty]

Another explosion on Gulf of Mexico rig

Now let's all go to sleep and not worry, something like this is according to the specialists on this forum not possible or likely to happen in our Gulf. What a relief.

sure

Anyone any views on the PTTEP oil spill off the great barrier reef last year?

2.4 Billion US$ Claims and the Thai company owners are refusing to pay compensation. Details in Bangkok Post.

But as posted by the forum specialists....It can't happen here!!!!!!! Why??

Uh oh do we have a dyslexic here ? For a start the PTTEP site was in the Timor Sea ! And you would NEVER receive a permit to drill off The Great Barrier Reef ( do you know where it is ) ?

Edited September 4, 2010 by crusty

[limbos]

Dear Governor,

Would you care to explain why one would NEVER receive a permit to drill off The Great Barrier Reef. Enquiring minds wonder.

[KTD]

No oil there. lol! joking.

It is protected by marine parks and world heritage declarations.

[crusty]

Dear Governor,

Would you care to explain why one would NEVER receive a permit to drill off The Great Barrier Reef. Enquiring minds wonder.

To the Enquiring minds. The Great Barrier Reef is protected by Marine Parks and World Heritage Declarations, each has its own watchdogs and its own scientists and in 1967 it was declared a World Heritage Site. In 1979 both State and Federal Parliaments declared prohibition against mining and was set into law. In 2002 all mining leases in the area were relinquished.

[Gatorade]

Another explosion on Gulf of Mexico rig

Now let's all go to sleep and not worry, something like this is according to the specialists on this forum not possible or likely to happen in our Gulf. What a relief.

sure

Anyone any views on the PTTEP oil spill off the great barrier reef last year?

2.4 Billion US$ Claims and the Thai company owners are refusing to pay compensation. Details in Bangkok Post.

But as posted by the forum specialists....It can't happen here!!!!!!! Why??

Uh oh do we have a dyslexic here ? For a start the PTTEP site was in the Timor Sea ! And you would NEVER receive a permit to drill off The Great Barrier Reef ( do you know where it is ) ?

Instead of being rude (Dyslexia selur ko!)perhaps you should read the question instead of trying to be clever by scoring points.

Yep, I was wrong to mix up the spill with the one off the Northwestern coast of AUSTRALIA last year, didn't you know?. Nevertheless still an oil spill!i.e. Marine life wiped out.

The one in Timor is a total disaster and raises again the original question what happens if?

It's not a NIMBY attitude I just want to know that my Back Yard is safe.

If the attitude of PTTEP a Thai company is anything to go by when a spill does takes place then we are justified to seek assurances that everything is in place to mitigate the problem. In my opinion the TIT attitude will prevail and it will be a rolling goat f..k!

Anyway Crusts, despite your lame defense of the oil industry you should be happy that the PTTEP shares are still going up.

[limbos]

Dear Governor,

Would you care to explain why one would NEVER receive a permit to drill off The Great Barrier Reef. Enquiring minds wonder.

To the Enquiring minds. The Great Barrier Reef is protected by Marine Parks and World Heritage Declarations, each has its own watchdogs and its own scientists and in 1967 it was declared a World Heritage Site. In 1979 both State and Federal Parliaments declared prohibition against mining and was set into law. In 2002 all mining leases in the area were relinquished.

Makes you wonder why all this is set into place, doesn't it?

[Gatorade]

Dear Governor,

Would you care to explain why one would NEVER receive a permit to drill off The Great Barrier Reef. Enquiring minds wonder.

To the Enquiring minds. The Great Barrier Reef is protected by Marine Parks and World Heritage Declarations, each has its own watchdogs and its own scientists and in 1967 it was declared a World Heritage Site. In 1979 both State and Federal Parliaments declared prohibition against mining and was set into law. In 2002 all mining leases in the area were relinquished.

Makes you wonder why all this is set into place, doesn't it?

:thumbsup:

[crusty]

Dear Governor,

Would you care to explain why one would NEVER receive a permit to drill off The Great Barrier Reef. Enquiring minds wonder.

To the Enquiring minds. The Great Barrier Reef is protected by Marine Parks and World Heritage Declarations, each has its own watchdogs and its own scientists and in 1967 it was declared a World Heritage Site. In 1979 both State and Federal Parliaments declared prohibition against mining and was set into law. In 2002 all mining leases in the area were relinquished.

Makes you wonder why all this is set into place, doesn't it?

:thumbsup:

Don't have any, the politicians cornered all the shares when they came on the market. You're right about one thing though, don't expect international standards to prevail with these muppets in " control ". Just look at Rayong !

[John 1]

All the oil companies drilling in the gulf of Thai meet all the required international standards and have there emergency reponse plans in place in case of a spill, the companies are Pttep, Chevron, Pearl, Nucoastal and Salamander.

[LeoLeoKhm]

Dear Governor,

Would you care to explain why one would NEVER receive a permit to drill off The Great Barrier Reef. Enquiring minds wonder.

To the Enquiring minds. The Great Barrier Reef is protected by Marine Parks and World Heritage Declarations, each has its own watchdogs and its own scientists and in 1967 it was declared a World Heritage Site. In 1979 both State and Federal Parliaments declared prohibition against mining and was set into law. In 2002 all mining leases in the area were relinquished.

i wish such watchdogs were for Koh Phangan, Koh Samui and Koh Tao. Before it is too late.

[LeoLeoKhm]

All the oil companies drilling in the gulf of Thai meet all the required international standards and have there emergency reponse plans in place in case of a spill, the companies are Pttep, Chevron, Pearl, Nucoastal and Salamander.

Could you enlighten us, poor souls, on environmental emergency response plan of, for example, NuCoastal? Not the 'get-out-of-here' plan, but on how exactly NuCoastal is going to clean up, say, one week of spilling oil from the planned on the 42nd km off Lamai Beach oil rig? Because NuCoastal failed to produce it so far, at two public hearings. Which triggered the protests.

Look at current accident with just an oil tanker off Koh Phi-Phi. Compare the amount of oil stored in those tankers at 30m depth with just a daily capacity of ONE planned oil rig. Compare distances, how far off Phi-Phi and how far off Lamai.

[KTD]

Dear Governor,

Would you care to explain why one would NEVER receive a permit to drill off The Great Barrier Reef. Enquiring minds wonder.

To the Enquiring minds. The Great Barrier Reef is protected by Marine Parks and World Heritage Declarations, each has its own watchdogs and its own scientists and in 1967 it was declared a World Heritage Site. In 1979 both State and Federal Parliaments declared prohibition against mining and was set into law. In 2002 all mining leases in the area were relinquished.

i wish such watchdogs were for Koh Phangan, Koh Samui and Koh Tao. Before it is too late.

it already is to late. If such watch dogs were in place, we would all be visitors instead of residents.

[John 1]

LLK why don't you call Nu coastal they will give you the answers to there response plan which they have, also they have drilled off Songkhla a few years ago and the platform there is producing. So why do you assume they will have a problem. IF i were you I'd be more concerned about the 2,000,000 barrels of heavy crude being moved by tankers from offshore to Mathaput or Sriracha each month.

[LeoLeoKhm]

Another explosion on Gulf of Mexico rig

Now let's all go to sleep and not worry, something like this is according to the specialists on this forum not possible or likely to happen in our Gulf. What a relief.

sure

Anyone any views on the PTTEP oil spill off the great barrier reef last year?

2.4 Billion US$ Claims and the Thai company owners are refusing to pay compensation. Details in Bangkok Post.

But as posted by the forum specialists....It can't happen here!!!!!!! Why??

Uh oh do we have a dyslexic here ?

OMG

[sbk]

OMG

sometimes its best to continue reading the entire thread before hitting the reply button.

[PoorSucker]

Could it be a beautiful rounding point for the Samui regatta?

[LeoLeoKhm]

Everyone knows that the rigs are here to stay. The rationally minded of us just want to see that they are managed properly to avoid an environmental disaster.

These protests IMHO are being organised way too late and are a waste of time.

I also think there are a lot of very greedy people here that are just pissed off they arn't getting a slice of the profits.

the protesters campaign is not about already existing rigs, but about plans to erect new ones, one of them being as close as 42 km off Lamai beach.

The protests were organised after the first public hearing when the tax-shelters-registered oil companies failed to produce satisfactory evirdence of plans to avoid environmental disaster.

They are not waste of time since the decision is not in force yet.

As for the greedy people, I would like to inform you, Carmine, that during the protest here at Koh Phangan, a list of set around for collect signatures FOR oil rigs. Those who signed got 300 baht each - a rather usual thing here in Thailand in elections etc.

Its a done deal mate and for all the good will in the world you will not change things. If your protests go anyway towards improving and maintaining the safety of the rigs, existing and new you will have done a worthy job.

I wonder why you say it is a done deal, when it is not. Any information that you would like to share with us?

[LeoLeoKhm]

LLK why don't you call Nu coastal they will give you the answers to there response plan which they have, also they have drilled off Songkhla a few years ago and the platform there is producing. So why do you assume they will have a problem. IF i were you I'd be more concerned about the 2,000,000 barrels of heavy crude being moved by tankers from offshore to Mathaput or Sriracha each month.

John 1, perhaps as bit more reading on the subject prior to comment would benefit the discussion.. The public hearing was exactly about asking NuCoastal and other involved oil companies to provide their response plan should environmental damage occur. They failed to priovide it so far.

You wrote earlier in this thread that the oil companies meet all international safety standards. Can we have a proof of it?

[carmine]

Everyone knows that the rigs are here to stay. The rationally minded of us just want to see that they are managed properly to avoid an environmental disaster.

These protests IMHO are being organised way too late and are a waste of time.

I also think there are a lot of very greedy people here that are just pissed off they arn't getting a slice of the profits.

the protesters campaign is not about already existing rigs, but about plans to erect new ones, one of them being as close as 42 km off Lamai beach.

The protests were organised after the first public hearing when the tax-shelters-registered oil companies failed to produce satisfactory evirdence of plans to avoid environmental disaster.

They are not waste of time since the decision is not in force yet.

As for the greedy people, I would like to inform you, Carmine, that during the protest here at Koh Phangan, a list of set around for collect signatures FOR oil rigs. Those who signed got 300 baht each - a rather usual thing here in Thailand in elections etc.

Its a done deal mate and for all the good will in the world you will not change things. If your protests go anyway towards improving and maintaining the safety of the rigs, existing and new you will have done a worthy job.

I wonder why you say it is a done deal, when it is not. Any information that you would like to share with us?

Rigs are already here in the gulf anyway.

Do you think that Chevron would be building staff accomodation if they did'nt already have a contract in place for this one?

Secondly, nothing gets in the way of making money in this country, and in this case there is very big money to be made.

The horse has bolted i'm afraid.

[KTD]

LLK why don't you call Nu coastal they will give you the answers to there response plan which they have, also they have drilled off Songkhla a few years ago and the platform there is producing. So why do you assume they will have a problem. IF i were you I'd be more concerned about the 2,000,000 barrels of heavy crude being moved by tankers from offshore to Mathaput or Sriracha each month.

John 1, perhaps as bit more reading on the subject prior to comment would benefit the discussion.. The public hearing was exactly about asking NuCoastal and other involved oil companies to provide their response plan should environmental damage occur. They failed to priovide it so far.

You wrote earlier in this thread that the oil companies meet all international safety standards. Can we have a proof of it?

LLK,

you are saying companies involved failed to provide response plan, to who?

To you? Or to the government that sold these bloc's and licences to them give permission to drill and is responsible for setting the standards to be follow'd. You actually think that is not a part of the process?

There are lots of place's in the world you can and cannot drill. There are lots of good companies and lots of bad, as in all industries. Making oil and gas come out the ground to fuel YOUR needs is not the safest or easyest thing in the world to do. Being realistic accidents can and will happen.

If the thai gov did not want drilling in the gulf then there would be none, simple as that.

I am currently working as a sub contractor for Chevron in the world's 6th largest oil field. Now I have no knowledge of how the other companies involved operate but for you to insinuate that a company like Chevron can't provide a spill response plan or meet international safety standards is ridiculous. I don't know your background but I could bet that the safety standards and culture here is far beyond anything you could imagine.

A company that cannot provide a response plan but is involved and affiliated with organization such as Oil Spill Response and The Global Response Network and

are involved in a $1 billion dollar "plan to build and deploy a rapid response system that will be available to capture and contain oil in the event of a potential future underwater well blowout in the deepwater Gulf of Mexico announced in cooperation with ConocoPhillips, ExxonMobil and Shell. this company canot provide response plan when they have contingency plans in place for anything you could imagine? When is the last time you spent a billion dollars on the enviroment?

I can see that the enviroment is important to you and I agree and would never argue that. Most people only see oil company's through the bad things that happen and have no knowledge of their comitment to the enviroment. (lots but not all companies) There are also lots of places on the planet that because of posible incident drilling is not feasible, don't think that all these things are not considered prior to drilling by companies.

I think when you tell John 1 to do a bit more reading prior to coment is being quick to judge. Does your knowledge of this and your enviromental comitment go any futher than google?

Edited September 6, 2010 by KTD

[KTD]

LLK,

couple months ago I ruined a pair of pants walking on the beach in Lami because of oil washed up on the beach. u think this was from a rig or a fishing boat?

why no protest for that?

[LeoLeoKhm]

LLK why don't you call Nu coastal they will give you the answers to there response plan which they have, also they have drilled off Songkhla a few years ago and the platform there is producing. So why do you assume they will have a problem. IF i were you I'd be more concerned about the 2,000,000 barrels of heavy crude being moved by tankers from offshore to Mathaput or Sriracha each month.

John 1, perhaps as bit more reading on the subject prior to comment would benefit the discussion.. The public hearing was exactly about asking NuCoastal and other involved oil companies to provide their response plan should environmental damage occur. They failed to priovide it so far.

You wrote earlier in this thread that the oil companies meet all international safety standards. Can we have a proof of it?

LLK,

you are saying companies involved failed to provide response plan, to who?

To you? Or to the government that sold these bloc's and licences to them give permission to drill and is responsible for setting the standards to be follow'd. You actually think that is not a part of the process?

There are lots of place's in the world you can and cannot drill. There are lots of good companies and lots of bad, as in all industries. Making oil and gas come out the ground to fuel YOUR needs is not the safest or easyest thing in the world to do. Being realistic accidents can and will happen.

If the thai gov did not want drilling in the gulf then there would be none, simple as that.

I am currently working as a sub contractor for Chevron in the world's 6th largest oil field. Now I have no knowledge of how the other companies involved operate but for you to insinuate that a company like Chevron can't provide a spill response plan or meet international safety standards is ridiculous. I don't know your background but I could bet that the safety standards and culture here is far beyond anything you could imagine.

A company that cannot provide a response plan but is involved and affiliated with organization such as Oil Spill Response and The Global Response Network and

are involved in a $1 billion dollar "plan to build and deploy a rapid response system that will be available to capture and contain oil in the event of a potential future underwater well blowout in the deepwater Gulf of Mexico announced in cooperation with ConocoPhillips, ExxonMobil and Shell. this company canot provide response plan when they have contingency plans in place for anything you could imagine? When is the last time you spent a billion dollars on the enviroment?

I can see that the enviroment is important to you and I agree and would never argue that. Most people only see oil company's through the bad things that happen and have no knowledge of their comitment to the enviroment. (lots but not all companies) There are also lots of places on the planet that because of posible incident drilling is not feasible, don't think that all these things are not considered prior to drilling by companies.

I think when you tell John 1 to do a bit more reading prior to coment is being quick to judge. Does your knowledge of this and your enviromental comitment go any futher than google?

At last a message from someoen who knows, thank you for it. To answer your question: the oil companies involved failed to provide environmental response plan at the public hearing in Samui, which in turn triggered the protest.

Another interesting piece of information in your message, is that you seem to know of the good oil companies and the bad oil companies. From someone who works in the industry, it would be useful to know of any bad companies involved in the new oil rigs?

[BangrakBob]

LLK why don't you call Nu coastal they will give you the answers to there response plan which they have, also they have drilled off Songkhla a few years ago and the platform there is producing. So why do you assume they will have a problem. IF i were you I'd be more concerned about the 2,000,000 barrels of heavy crude being moved by tankers from offshore to Mathaput or Sriracha each month.

John 1, perhaps as bit more reading on the subject prior to comment would benefit the discussion.. The public hearing was exactly about asking NuCoastal and other involved oil companies to provide their response plan should environmental damage occur. They failed to priovide it so far.

You wrote earlier in this thread that the oil companies meet all international safety standards. Can we have a proof of it?

LLK,

you are saying companies involved failed to provide response plan, to who?

To you? Or to the government that sold these bloc's and licences to them give permission to drill and is responsible for setting the standards to be follow'd. You actually think that is not a part of the process?

There are lots of place's in the world you can and cannot drill. There are lots of good companies and lots of bad, as in all industries. Making oil and gas come out the ground to fuel YOUR needs is not the safest or easyest thing in the world to do. Being realistic accidents can and will happen.

If the thai gov did not want drilling in the gulf then there would be none, simple as that.

I am currently working as a sub contractor for Chevron in the world's 6th largest oil field. Now I have no knowledge of how the other companies involved operate but for you to insinuate that a company like Chevron can't provide a spill response plan or meet international safety standards is ridiculous. I don't know your background but I could bet that the safety standards and culture here is far beyond anything you could imagine.

A company that cannot provide a response plan but is involved and affiliated with organization such as Oil Spill Response and The Global Response Network and

are involved in a $1 billion dollar "plan to build and deploy a rapid response system that will be available to capture and contain oil in the event of a potential future underwater well blowout in the deepwater Gulf of Mexico announced in cooperation with ConocoPhillips, ExxonMobil and Shell. this company canot provide response plan when they have contingency plans in place for anything you could imagine? When is the last time you spent a billion dollars on the enviroment?

I can see that the enviroment is important to you and I agree and would never argue that. Most people only see oil company's through the bad things that happen and have no knowledge of their comitment to the enviroment. (lots but not all companies) There are also lots of places on the planet that because of posible incident drilling is not feasible, don't think that all these things are not considered prior to drilling by companies.

I think when you tell John 1 to do a bit more reading prior to coment is being quick to judge. Does your knowledge of this and your enviromental comitment go any futher than google?

Spending a billion dollars on the environment while making 300 Billion out of the environment seems like a great deal for the environment

.

I guess "international safety standards" only applies in certain countries for Chevron, really showing true commitment to the environment below;

"Chevron's negligence in the Ecuadorian Amazon has been ignored for decades, though the sights, smells and impacts are just as incensing as gross pollution can be. Perhaps it's because they are indigenous, poor, and without access to media and resources, but the people that are affected by the spills and leakages in Ecuador continue to live in what can only be defined as a terrestrial oil slick. Outcry is minimal.

Chevron (previously Texaco) have dumped almost 17 million gallons of crude oil and 20 billion gallons of drilling wastewater directly into the Ecuadorian Amazon between 1964 and 1990.

Cofan tribe outside Lago who have been hurt dramatically by the contamination and oil pits left on their land. Children in their village swimming in water so polluted with oil that it gleamed iridescent purples and greens as it floated around them.

Chevron's spokespeople have gone as far as to say that the disease is due to lack of sanitation and poverty which seems ludicrous when spending time with these villages and waking up to the smell of petroleum in the air. Its clearly in their drinking water; it's killing their livestock and poisoning them

It could have been largely prevented if these oil giants had simply chose to re-inject the oil back into the earth as they do in the United States. By not re-injecting the oil back into the earth the oil companies saved a few million

A court in Ecuador has told oil giant Chevron Corp to pay $8.6bn in environmental damages, but the US company has termed the court order as "illegitimate and unenforceable" and said it would appeal.

[John 1]

So what's the previous post got to do with drilling near Samui. Go look see how waste water is dealt with in the gulf of Thailand before going on about what happened else where.

[BangrakBob]

So what's the previous post got to do with drilling near Samui. Go look see how waste water is dealt with in the gulf of Thailand before going on about what happened else where.

The previous post was in response to the post quoted within that post.

It was in response to comments made about Chevron and their apparent goodwill and safety standards. I used an example for my point.

Chevron are one of the owners of the block where the drilling would take place off the coast of Samui.

[NanLaew]

At last a message from someoen who knows, thank you for it. To answer your question: the oil companies involved failed to provide environmental response plan at the public hearing in Samui, which in turn triggered the protest.

Public hearings are not the place for emergency response plans or ERP's to be aired. ERP's can take over a year to develop and go through a very thorough process of review and resubmission by Government organs before they are approved. They are also very project specific so citing previous projects ERP's as well as republishing events that happened in other locations or other countries over 30 years ago has little relevance. Since the drilling program isn't expected to start for at least another 2-3 years, airing what can only be a draft version of the ERP would be of absolutely no value to the community, the offshore owners or their operators.

Another interesting piece of information in your message, is that you seem to know of the good oil companies and the bad oil companies. From someone who works in the industry, it would be useful to know of any bad companies involved in the new oil rigs?

And now for the good news, the two brand-new jack-up rigs that Chevron Thailand will use are being built locally by Keppel FELS in Singapore, a recognized industry leader in modern, built for purpose, state of the art offshore fabrications. These rigs are being built for Transocean who will be the drilling contractor for Chevron. Transocean have an option to increase the order to a total of five jack-ups. Transocean currently manage 143 drilling rigs worldwide.

I will go get my hard hat now.

Edited February 24, 2011 by NanLaew

[Tracer Round]

SamuiNige:"It could have been largely prevented if these oil giants had simply chose to re-inject the oil back into the earth as they do in the United States."

Lord...another informed opinion. ...

For the benefit of the non-Certified Petroleum Landmen out there, please copy and paste some salient information on "re-inject(ing) the oil back into the earth as they do in the United States."

Oh, can't find any information on this? Could it be that you cooked it up all by your lonesome? Try that Google thing; maybe you'll get lucky....

[BangrakBob]

SamuiNige:"It could have been largely prevented if these oil giants had simply chose to re-inject the oil back into the earth as they do in the United States."

Lord...another informed opinion. ...

For the benefit of the non-Certified Petroleum Landmen out there, please copy and paste some salient information on "re-inject(ing) the oil back into the earth as they do in the United States."

Oh, can't find any information on this? Could it be that you cooked it up all by your lonesome? Try that Google thing; maybe you'll get lucky....

i'm not stephen hawking, i don't have a hard drive behind my back wheels that i spit intuitive quotes from, my post was from the below article,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/starre-vartan/chevrons-terrestrial-oil_b_566773.html

My point was not about anything other than Chevron negligence, a little lighter than opening a bigoted xenophobic thread.