Thai Yellow Shirts Vow To Fight Airport Seizure Cases - Terror Charges Ludicrous

[mufcsamui]

At least they admit that PAD seized the airport.

There is nothing wrong in seized an airport or two.

Try saying that to all the people stranded around the world and those who couldnt export or import and those who lost perishable goods.

Besides the **ok fools cost me 600 GBP and 3 days stuck in airports.

Did you file your claims?

No.

No one did.

No claims = no losses, according to the law.

I thought Thai Air was suing for 400billion

[bwalker1973]

At the end of the day, its a media stunt to look like they the government are the ones actually doing something. Work it out, elections are coming soon. They need to win some support. And it shows the world that they actually do punish, even though the charges will get dropped. From now to the elections, there will be a lot of media stunts, as well as major crack downs.

[kissdani]

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva stated the summons issued against 80 members of the People's Alliance for Democracy, or PAD, over their alleged forced closure of Suvarnabhumi and Don Muang airports were aimed to provide a chance for the accused to defend their innocence.

As i said in the other thread "PM wants case against yellow shirts dealt with promptly" that means nothing else to bring finally the prove that the yellows are innocent and did nothing wrong. Instead of years of ongoing investigation and pending cases against the yellows without any result so far - it is time to close the files.

[march]

Rucharee is not a troll. She has definite opinions, but no one here has any basis to question her veracity.

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But hey it's an anonymous forum - you can pretend to be anyone you like.

[Ulysses G.]

What about the damage done to the country, the hundreds of thousands of tourists stranded here and not compensated for their losses. I would call seizing an airport a terrorist offence

Put the yellow shirts AND the red shirts out of business. Neither group are helping Thailand solve its problems.

[SomTumTiger]

Rucharee is not a troll. She has definite opinions, but no one here has any basis to question her veracity.

Summarized best by:

But hey it's an anonymous forum - you can pretend to be anyone you like.

The fact that you are aware of what Jayboy wrote last week goes beyond sad...lol

[march]

Rucharee is not a troll. She has definite opinions, but no one here has any basis to question her veracity.

Summarized best by:

But hey it's an anonymous forum - you can pretend to be anyone you like.

The fact that you are aware of what Jayboy wrote last week goes beyond sad...lol

Since it fit him so perfectly, it stood out.

Edited July 12, 2010 by march

[Democrat]

Well, I don't think Khun Rucharee is a troll, but I am quite certain that 'Earthalien' is a mannerless lout.

Dru2 I feel maybe earthalien incited you with a violent reaction here. This is a good point, when the reds first got attacked what would your normal reaction be. fight back. The PM wants reconciliation, he should give amnesty to all yellow shirts, red shirts and no colours for breaking the law. To brand any of them terrorists is quite ridiculous. What name would you give the generals that were involved in all the coups over the years? All politicians and government officials should be given an oppurtunity to return monies and land not legally acquired, that includes there friends and associates who have aqcuisitions because of wrong doing. Then these politicians and officials should be forced to resign and never be allowed to hold political or government jobs again. You then have a chance at reconciliation a new government would have tens of billions in $us to make this country as it should be. health, education and jobs for all. like the above dream inciting red, yellow or anybody does not help anyone, let alone reconciliation. Maybe the yellows will invite the reds to protest with them against Mr Abhisit. Dru2 you should keep your cool you could end up like Mr Savage.

[animatic]

Rucharee is not a troll. She has definite opinions, but no one here has any basis to question her veracity.

Summarized best by:

But hey it's an anonymous forum - you can pretend to be anyone you like.

The fact that you are aware of what Jayboy wrote last week goes beyond sad...lol

ROTFLOL

Same as it ever was.

[moe666]

I sign on to Thaivisa hoping Ruchera will make one of her intelligent and well supported post what ever the subject.

[peecee]

<br>

<br>Yep,.. got to agree,.. her argument that "non filing for damages proves or indicates no loss suffered is as prepsterous as it is stupid" thats like saying a victim of violence didn't suffer or no crime was perpetrated just because the victim never lodged a complaint or filed a suit for a civil remedy. Lets face it,... in Thailand... and particularly in this case where its taken the government 2 years to show the first signs of restitution, what's the point of making a claim? Your (Thailand's) judicial system is a complete joke. As an ex student at law and paralegal I have first hand experience of both western and Thai courts. Personally we currently have a civil claim in the Thai court for 600,000 baht  owed for which we have cash receipts,.. took 2 years for the judge to award refund and damages,... that was 19 months ago... still no payments and it could still roll on for years. There's no accountability or responsibility with your system,.. much like your entire country (mai pen rai!).<br><i>My advice to this silly girl is to go and get a proper education,.. overseas!</i> Get some real experience and then come back and look at your wonderful Thai judicial system and the entire political circus from a truly informed and balanced perspective!<br>

<br><br><i>"My advice to this silly girl is to go and get a proper education,..  overseas!"</i><br>If I have the money to travel overseas, I won't be sitting here learning English via ThaiVisa.<br>The only other country I have visited is Laos, using a border pass.<br>You think USA give give me a Visa?<br>

<br><br>The Thai PM did get a western education & saw judicial systems run independant of government, will he change Thailand's? I think not. He can't even reconcile the polarized factions within his country! Yellow's in court v  Red's bullet in the head; TIT. A general election should be called as soon as possible as the PM has no real mandate to govern (apart from making all the opposition party's illegal) and wilst he dithers the country will plunge into further termoil. Narcissitic as he is surely someone in the big house can point out the absurdity of the current impasse!<br>

[volatilekoala]

let's hope at long last - two years later - the Yellows get to be prosecuted - it will show that the system is fairer than many thought (but I'm but holding my breath)

Agreed. Not holding my breath but crossing my fingers that the yellows be prosecuted...got to get rid of that double standard. If the reds can't get away with it neither should the yellows.

[march]

let's hope at long last - two years later - the Yellows get to be prosecuted - it will show that the system is fairer than many thought (but I'm but holding my breath)

let's hope at long last - THREE years later - the Reds get to be prosecuted - it will show that the system is fairer than many thought (but I'm but holding my breath)

BANGKOK, 9 July 2010 (NNT) - The Criminal Court has turned down the request for nullification of criminal charges lodged against 4 anti-government leaders for besieging the home of Privy Council President General Prem Tinsulanonda in 2007.

The court denied its approval for the petition submitted by Mr Peera Limcharoen, lawyer representing the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD), reasoning that the charges previously filed by the prosecutor against the 4 UDD leaders were deemed justifiable.

On Wednesday, the public prosecutor filed criminal charges against the four suspects, comprising Mr Nuttawut Saikua, MD Weng Tojirakarn, Mr Veera Musikapong, and Mr Wiphuthalaeng Phatthanaphumthai, for their leading roles in a mass protest outside the residence of General Prem on 22 July 2007.

http://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news.php?id=255307090035

[march]

let's hope at long last - two years later - the Yellows get to be prosecuted - it will show that the system is fairer than many thought (but I'm but holding my breath)

Agreed. Not holding my breath but crossing my fingers that the yellows be prosecuted...got to get rid of that double standard. If the reds can't get away with it neither should the yellows.

Agreed. Not holding my breath but crossing my fingers that the Reds be prosecuted...got to get rid of that double standard. If the reds can't get away with it three times, neither should the yellows once.

Edited July 12, 2010 by march

[TallForeigner]

I kept an overview of some of the costs of the published damages done by the yellow criminals:

* Thai Airways claims roughly $4.5 billion for the eight-day siege of the Suvarnabhumi international airport, its hub. The airline initiated lawsuits.

* A low-cost carrier, Thai Air Asia, at one point claimed nearly $9 million in lost revenue. The airline is still deciding whether it can sue.

* About $98.1 million USD per day in lost export revenues, according to a Thai export consortium. Airports were seized for seven days. Lawsuit had been announced.

* At least 1 million tourism-related jobs had been lost or will be lost, according to Olarn Chaipravat, a deputy economics minister of that time.

* The prime minister's compound sustained more than $700,000 in landscaping damage along, according to the government. The National Security Council estimates stolen hardware, including computer servers and databanks, amounts to roughly $1.1 million. Uzis, laptops and golden Buddha statutes were also looted from the compound.

* Citing political unrest, Moody's Investors Service lowered Thailand's economic outlook from "stable" to "negative."

[dru2]

Well, I don't think Khun Rucharee is a troll, but I am quite certain that 'Earthalien' is a mannerless lout.

Dru2 I feel maybe earthalien incited you with a violent reaction here. This is a good point, when the reds first got attacked what would your normal reaction be. fight back. The PM wants reconciliation, he should give amnesty to all yellow shirts, red shirts and no colours for breaking the law. To brand any of them terrorists is quite ridiculous. What name would you give the generals that were involved in all the coups over the years? All politicians and government officials should be given an oppurtunity to return monies and land not legally acquired, that includes there friends and associates who have aqcuisitions because of wrong doing. Then these politicians and officials should be forced to resign and never be allowed to hold political or government jobs again. You then have a chance at reconciliation a new government would have tens of billions in $us to make this country as it should be. health, education and jobs for all. like the above dream inciting red, yellow or anybody does not help anyone, let alone reconciliation. Maybe the yellows will invite the reds to protest with them against Mr Abhisit. Dru2 you should keep your cool you could end up like Mr Savage.

Jatuporn, Natthawut and Arisaman are clearly terrorists by any reasonable international standard. Maybe not Weng, Veera and Co., and certainly not the bought, duped and exploited Isaan farmers. Meanwhile, if I am going to end up like Mr Savage, I'd better go get some dumb tattoos...

[symbiosis]

don't make us laugh. they will never be held accountable. some poor farmer from Isan who thinks his vote ought to count? There's the *real* terrorist!

[gregb]

A potential step in the right direction but is anyone really expecting any prosecutions?

The yellow's occupation of the airports was an absolute disgrace and all these protesters should have been forcibly removed at the time. I would have liked to have seen their reaction if they had been confronted by the police or army. Their protest remained peaceful only because nobody engaged them and it usually takes two sides to have a battle. We can only speculate what would have happened had the authorities had the balls (and desire) to face them down but I'm sure they would have resorted to some underhand tactics which could have earned them the label "terrorists".

I sincerely hope that my cynicism is misplaced and that people can be held accountable for their actions during the airports seizure. I think such crimes are serious enough to warrant lengthy sentences and dissuade any groups from trying this in the future. Just out of interest, have we ever received an official explanation from the head of police / army as to why the yellows weren't removed?

No reason to wonder. We know exactly what the yellows did when the police started firing at them with bombs in the shape of tear gas canisters.

They did nothing!

That is right. They let the police force their way through and not a single person shot back or launched a grenade at them. They knew where the limits were on civil disobediance.

The PAD certainly were not model citizens, but they were significantly better behaved than the red insurgents who were intent on starting a civil war. The PAD are guilty of trespassing for sure, and can probably be found guilty of some other statutes, not to mention countless civil crimes, but unlike the violent faction of the reds, they are not terrorists.

The police will never get a conviction on that charge, and everyone knows it.

To be honest the police should be put on trial for negligence in not doing their job and clearing the PAD demonstration. If the Thai police were simply a responsible organization rather than a corrupt group of criminals we wouldn't have 10% of the problems we have right now.

I say the police need to file charges against themselves. Then I'll believe Thailand is on the road to recovery.

Edited July 12, 2010 by gregb

[nakachalet]

Yep,.. got to agree,.. her argument that "non filing for damages proves or indicates no loss suffered is as prepsterous as it is stupid" thats like saying a victim of violence didn't suffer or no crime was perpetrated just because the victim never lodged a complaint or filed a suit for a civil remedy. Lets face it,... in Thailand... and particularly in this case where its taken the government 2 years to show the first signs of restitution, what's the point of making a claim? Your (Thailand's) judicial system is a complete joke. As an ex student at law and paralegal I have first hand experience of both western and Thai courts. Personally we currently have a civil claim in the Thai court for 600,000 baht owed for which we have cash receipts,.. took 2 years for the judge to award refund and damages,... that was 19 months ago... still no payments and it could still roll on for years. There's no accountability or responsibility with your system,.. much like your entire country (mai pen rai!).

My advice to this silly girl is to go and get a proper education,.. overseas! Get some real experience and then come back and look at your wonderful Thai judicial system and the entire political circus from a truly informed and balanced perspective!

"My advice to this silly girl is to go and get a proper education,.. overseas!"

If I have the money to travel overseas, I won't be sitting here learning English via ThaiVisa.

The only other country I have visited is Laos, using a border pass.

You think USA give give me a Visa?

ree....

u r comical.... and that is super.... besides, i like it...

Edited July 12, 2010 by nakachalet

[Kilgore Trout]

Yep,.. got to agree,.. her argument that "non filing for damages proves or indicates no loss suffered is as prepsterous as it is stupid" thats like saying a victim of violence didn't suffer or no crime was perpetrated just because the victim never lodged a complaint or filed a suit for a civil remedy. Lets face it,... in Thailand... and particularly in this case where its taken the government 2 years to show the first signs of restitution, what's the point of making a claim? Your (Thailand's) judicial system is a complete joke. As an ex student at law and paralegal I have first hand experience of both western and Thai courts. Personally we currently have a civil claim in the Thai court for 600,000 baht owed for which we have cash receipts,.. took 2 years for the judge to award refund and damages,... that was 19 months ago... still no payments and it could still roll on for years. There's no accountability or responsibility with your system,.. much like your entire country (mai pen rai!).

My advice to this silly girl is to go and get a proper education,.. overseas! Get some real experience and then come back and look at your wonderful Thai judicial system and the entire political circus from a truly informed and balanced perspective!

"My advice to this silly girl is to go and get a proper education,.. overseas!"

If I have the money to travel overseas, I won't be sitting here learning English via ThaiVisa.

The only other country I have visited is Laos, using a border pass.

You think USA give give me a Visa?

ree....

u r comical.... and that is super.... besides, i like it...

Why would'nt the US give her a visa unless she is a criminal or a prostitute?

[Richard W]

the PM has no real mandate to govern (apart from making all the opposition party's illegal)

Well nigh all the parties but the Democrats were dissolved - most promptly reformed and most of the original MPs remained. His trick was to persuade one bloc to leave the biggest party (ex-PPP). The interesting question is, if/when the Democrats are dissolved, do they effectively split or not? However, the fragments may well end up as coalition partners.

[Siam Simon]

Summarized best by:

But hey it's an anonymous forum - you can pretend to be anyone you like.

The fact that you are aware of what Jayboy wrote last week goes beyond sad...lol

Since it fit him so perfectly, it stood out.

Yet again a returning banned poster .

[Siam Simon]

A potential step in the right direction but is anyone really expecting any prosecutions?

The yellow's occupation of the airports was an absolute disgrace and all these protesters should have been forcibly removed at the time. I would have liked to have seen their reaction if they had been confronted by the police or army. Their protest remained peaceful only because nobody engaged them and it usually takes two sides to have a battle. We can only speculate what would have happened had the authorities had the balls (and desire) to face them down but I'm sure they would have resorted to some underhand tactics which could have earned them the label "terrorists".

I sincerely hope that my cynicism is misplaced and that people can be held accountable for their actions during the airports seizure. I think such crimes are serious enough to warrant lengthy sentences and dissuade any groups from trying this in the future. Just out of interest, have we ever received an official explanation from the head of police / army as to why the yellows weren't removed?

No reason to wonder. We know exactly what the yellows did when the police started firing at them with bombs in the shape of tear gas canisters.

They did nothing!

Well.....I left this for a while to give the TV propagandists a chance to correct it. But they didn't even bother with their erstwhile 'PAD were provoked, the guards' reactions were understandable/justified in the circumstances.....waffle...drone....blah....'. Instead we just get a bare faced lie left uncorrected. Is this what it's come down to now?

[alant]

At least they admit that PAD seized the airport.

There is nothing wrong in seized an airport or two.

Try saying that to all the people stranded around the world and those who couldnt export or import and those who lost perishable goods.

Besides the **ok fools cost me 600 GBP and 3 days stuck in airports.

Did you file your claims?

No.

No one did.

No claims = no losses, according to the law.

oh yes they did and were they paid, no

[ChiangMaiFun]

let's hope at long last - two years later - the Yellows get to be prosecuted - it will show that the system is fairer than many thought (but I'm but holding my breath)

Agreed. Not holding my breath but crossing my fingers that the yellows be prosecuted...got to get rid of that double standard. If the reds can't get away with it neither should the yellows.

Agreed. Not holding my breath but crossing my fingers that the Reds be prosecuted...got to get rid of that double standard. If the reds can't get away with it three times, neither should the yellows once.

I believe the reds possibly would not have protested the way they did had the yellows not got away with it - if they had been dealt with swiftly all the rest may not have followed - not many yellows died in the government crackdown of the airport did they?

Edited July 13, 2010 by ChiangMaiFun

[Ulysses G.]

True enough.

[Rucharee]

Unlike the Red, the Yellow are not terrorist.

They occupy the airports with all their hearts and love of the country.

[ChiangMaiFun]

Unlike the Red, the Yellow are not terrorist.

They occupy the airports with all their hearts and love of the country.

You are joking right? destroying businesses, destroying tourism, humilitating Thailand in the eyes of the world community - and breaking the law?

'love of the country'?

[Samuian]

What about the damage done to the country, the hundreds of thousands of tourists stranded here and not compensated for their losses. I would call seizing an airport a terrorist offence

"hundreds of thousands of tourists stranded here and not compensated for their losses", you must be over reacting based on rumors.

Show me a single case where the PAD was sue for compensation or losses. NONE. This is a fact.

Show me a single case in EUROPE where after a general Strike the workers or after a demonstration which shut down maybe a runway, or an airport, or a whole city center, those involved had to compensate those who suffered losses?

And where, since when is such an act labeled "terrorism"?

[ChiangMaiFun]

What about the damage done to the country, the hundreds of thousands of tourists stranded here and not compensated for their losses. I would call seizing an airport a terrorist offence

"hundreds of thousands of tourists stranded here and not compensated for their losses", you must be over reacting based on rumors.

Show me a single case where the PAD was sue for compensation or losses. NONE. This is a fact.

Show me a single case in EUROPE where after a general Strike the workers or after a demonstration which shut down maybe a runway, or an airport, or a whole city center, those involved had to compensate those who suffered losses?

And where, since when is such an act labeled "terrorism"?

This thead is sinking into farce - no airport has ever been shut down in Europe - if they tried it they would be dealt with severely. Let's get back to some serious comment - 80 PAD leaders have been summonsed - let's hope they are prosecuted - moving on...