Thaksin Says He Can Push Thai Politics Back On Course

[Tony Clifton]

Come back Thaksin, we await your return, then things may start to prosper again in Thailand.

Suddenly I feel very sick ...............................

Let's try that one again.

[rixalex]

How the current coalition was formed was well-documented at the time.

Well documented by whom? I read and heard a wide variety of accounts of what went down in the forming of the latest coalition government. Which account is definitive is difficult to ascertain, although not for those snuffling up from the propaganda trough - they simply eat what they are fed.

"Knowing your background..." Yes, I post honest, independant, educated opinions.

Yes of course you do.... and i look like a buff version of Brad Pitt.

Why do you think the rest of the world is less than enthusiastic toward the Dem coalition/army government, and has no interest in arresting and extraditing a known crook? Hint: They know that the current lot are just as bad as him.

That you think countries make decisions on extradtition requests based on feelings, not laws and protocol, makes me think this self-appointment to speaker of the World may have come just a little too soon for you.

[Buchholz]

Come back Thaksin, we await your return, then things may start to prosper again in Thailand.

Suddenly I feel very sick ...............................

Let's try that one again.

Very good.

[whybother]

Yet again, the 'turn a blind eye' syndrome is in operation by one of the pro-Demo propagandists. How the current coalition was formed was well-documented at the time. Your faux shock/horror at what you think may have taken place is just plain bloody funny. "Knowing your background..." Yes, I post honest, independant, educated opinions. I saw through Thaksin the same as I see through all of the other corrupt <deleted> at the forefront of power. Why suck up to the current bunch of gangsters like you and others do on TV just because they replaced the last bunch of gangsters? It's pathetic. If you feel the need to use your expat voice, be honest and criticise all of the political scumbags: It's the least you can do for the downtrodden masses if you must insist in voicing political opinions. Why do you think the rest of the world is less than enthusiastic toward the Dem coalition/army government, and has no interest in arresting and extraditing a known crook? Hint: They know that the current lot are just as bad as him.

If you "saw through Thaksin", why do you support those that want to bring him back? You can't say you are against corruption and then support the red shirts. Sure, the current government isn't perfect, but it's a step forward, and with the RIGHT pressure it (and Thailand) can move further forward.

If you're against corruption in Thai politics, then fight ALL corruption in Thai politics. Don't pick and choose.

Going BACK to Thaksin's ways is not the way forward for Thailand.

[Mario2008]

1 post deleted for use of profanity.

[scorecard]

Horse trading in the process of forming a coalition government is very normal practice and has been going on since year dot. The business makes me very uncomfortable and i wish it didn't go on but the fact is, it does - even in the maturest of democracies.

If your story about politicians being intimidated into switching sides is true then that is very worrying. Knowing your background however, my feeling is this could well be more red propoganda. Let's face it, most Thai politicians are not the sort of people who would stand up straight for their supposed principles in a light breeze. Potential for greater power and increased wealth is all it usually takes to win their favour, and my guess it was this weapon that won the day for the Democrats, far more than being caged in some five-star hotel. No different from what happened after the 2007 election when MPs who had campaigned on the promise of not getting into bed with the PPP, went and did exactly that.

When K. Thaksin won the elections on 2001 in a sweeping victory. Since he founded TRT in 1998 with some PDP members he bought MP's from various smaller parties in (mainly) North/North-East. Nice start for a popular PM who only just escaped justice (7 - 8 vote) in his 'honest mistake case' at that time. In the 2007 general elections a few parts of TRT/PPP/PTP stood as separate parties. Most of the current MP's were elected then.

And worth noting that two of the eight judges who voted that he hadn't broken the law later admitted that they votes NO because 'how can u vote against someone who is so popular and just 'won' an election'.

One of thaksins warcries (along with his bought red rabble) is a demand that the clock be turned back to the situation before the 2006 coup.

The bottom line is that if all the judges (in the initial assets case) voted according to whether he had or had not broken the relevant law - yes or no - then he whould never have been in the PM chair.

Today of course his warcry to his rable is to fight for democracy and justice.

The mother of all hypocrites.

[scorecard]

Scorecard.

And I guess vote buying, corruption, rank jumping etc does not exist anymore?? Please

As Ballpoint said, we could argue this for years and get no where.

Cheers guys and have a great night. Time for a beer.

Dear sevenhills,

I am not suggesting / nobody is suggesting, that corruption etc etc., has now stopped.

My point is that thaksin was turning corruption, nepotism, human rights abuses etc etc into a massive and open business with massive gains for himself, his cronies, his family etc., and it was growing bigger by the minute, and given the situation at hand and given the history of Thai politics etc., I was and still am a supporter of the 2006 coup.

The controls etc., to protect democracy were deliberately and openly destroyed by thaksin, and I for one am quite glad that the watchdog stepped in. Has the coup caused all sorts of other problems? Yes it has, clearly it has, but I suggest that it's brough lots of things to the surface which needed to come to the surface. And until many of these factors come to the surface and get resolved / put into a better picture then there will be no progress, Or in simple English it brough forward the bumps that must be resolved before things will move on.

Please also remember that democracy is still in it's infancy in Thailand.

Please also recognize that in very country in the world the processes which build and support democracy are different and it is not appropriate to simply say that because it doesn't look exactly like other countries then it is wrong.

Thai people have every right to build and maintain democracy in it's own flavor.

I do believe that given time abhisit will achieve a big reduction in corruption etc., but it will take a long time. Abhisit is surrounded by highly corrupt, incapable, no morals people who will fight tooth and nail to ensure corruption is not stopped, even in his own party. He works in a snakepit / a minefield, but I say again, given time I believe he will cut corruption.

And let's be honest corruption is holding Thailand back from development, and it's holding millions of Thai people back from much better opportunites and more equal opportunities which would bring prosperity and much better quality of life to a much much larger percentage of the Thai population. Plus corruption is stopping equal justice for all people.

Here's a question for you, do you really believe that thaksin again as PM, or Chalerm as PM or Yongyuth as PM, or jatuporn as PM would massively and quickly reduce corruption in Thailand, and would ensure equal justice for all Thai people?

Edited September 7, 2010 by scorecard

[orangezeke]

here is what i can't fathom. we have an article on mr t's opinion followed by 4 pages of...

"I wonder if he really believes what he's saying?" - apetley

"So now he's a masochist too?" - jingthing

"Thaksin-speak for "on course" -- Over the cliff" - jingthing

"This guy is in La La Land, delusions of grandeur, he needs help, then again,this is Thai democracy??? - chainarong

"This man, his spokesmen, legal representatives, propaganda agents, family, ex family, etc, are about as newsworthy and reliable as Thai tv soaps, while having about the same entertainment value." - slapout

"Steal it twice you mean? I'm sure he's capable" - rixalex

":jerk:" - buchhloz

"<deleted>. he wants to destroy it but now he wants to fix it. How can anyone listen to his bullshit and trust this man" - givenall

"Oh yes, he is the heart and soul of reconciliation. On his terms of course." - animatic

tony clifton & ratcatcher even post pictures (points for effort lads)

etc. 96 comments to this thread when really we only needed 1 to cover all of that fluff. it is boring.

you guys fill up space with your banter, hi-fiving each other, while not adding a single thing. when anything decent is added, it gets wholly ignored.

when Siripon posts mr t "bought every MP" no one bats an eyelid for 4 pages. but when the current administration is questioned over the same thing we get "Horse trading in the process of forming a coalition government is very normal practice" - rixalex

yeah, mr t was a bad dude. he should be in jail. he bought all of his MP's. but this bunch isn't much better as samtam points out. "It does however take two to tango. Unfortunately corruption rules - people were quite happy to be bought. People still are."

i thought this was a useful post. for mr t to gain and keep power he needed a majority of MP's and shady deals went down. any different from Newin's move to the democrat coalition ?

if you are going to post to this thread, why are you also not posting to Thai Democrat Trial - Court Hears Complex Tale Of 'Retroactive' Receipts ?

[gregb]

Scorecard.

And I guess vote buying, corruption, rank jumping etc does not exist anymore?? Please

As Ballpoint said, we could argue this for years and get no where.

Cheers guys and have a great night. Time for a beer.

Dear sevenhills,

I am not suggesting / nobody is suggesting, that corruption etc etc., has now stopped.

My point is that thaksin was turning corruption, nepotism, human rights abuses etc etc into a massive and open business with massive gains for himself, his cronies, his family etc., and it was growing bigger by the minute, and given the situation at hand and given the history of Thai politics etc., I was and still am a supporter of the 2006 coup.

Oh...that's too cool. When you get more than 5 green, they give your post a little "Popular" star. This new forum software is starting to grow on me. I admit I didn't like it at first, but it has some fun features. Congratulations scorecard. I don't think anyone has achieved this before. You are a trend setter.

[rubl]

if you are going to post to this thread, why are you also not posting to Thai Democrat Trial - Court Hears Complex Tale Of 'Retroactive' Receipts ?

The difference may be the Thai soap opera character in the thread you mention.

[rubl]

Oh...that's too cool. When you get more than 5 green, they give your post a little "Popular" star. This new forum software is starting to grow on me. I admit I didn't like it at first, but it has some fun features. Congratulations scorecard. I don't think anyone has achieved this before. You are a trend setter.

I can only sincerely hope that none of the posters here feel they are in a popularity contest. Certainly I feel the serious ones will ignore a plus or minus. When some-one gives me a plus I assume he/she agrees with what I wrote, not only the style I wrote it in. With minusses I might PM as I like to know what other people think, although it will most likely not influence my behaviour. As for the banter, well some topics ask for it

[hammered]

Oh...that's too cool. When you get more than 5 green, they give your post a little "Popular" star. This new forum software is starting to grow on me. I admit I didn't like it at first, but it has some fun features. Congratulations scorecard. I don't think anyone has achieved this before. You are a trend setter.

I can only sincerely hope that none of the posters here feel they are in a popularity contest. Certainly I feel the serious ones will ignore a plus or minus. When some-one gives me a plus I assume he/she agrees with what I wrote, not only the style I wrote it in. With minusses I might PM as I like to know what other people think, although it will most likely not influence my behaviour. As for the banter, well some topics ask for it

They have it on NM too. If you say nice things about team red over there they green thumb you and if you talk bad of team red they give you the red finger (sounds pervvy I know)

I hadnt noticed it here until today. Guess nobody likes my posts (heads off to sulk)

But seriously, I guess it is all about making members feel they are more part of a community in which they are involved

[animatic]

Oh...that's too cool. When you get more than 5 green, they give your post a little "Popular" star. This new forum software is starting to grow on me. I admit I didn't like it at first, but it has some fun features. Congratulations scorecard. I don't think anyone has achieved this before. You are a trend setter.

I can only sincerely hope that none of the posters here feel they are in a popularity contest. Certainly I feel the serious ones will ignore a plus or minus. When some-one gives me a plus I assume he/she agrees with what I wrote, not only the style I wrote it in. With minusses I might PM as I like to know what other people think, although it will most likely not influence my behaviour. As for the banter, well some topics ask for it

They have it on NM too. If you say nice things about team red over there they green thumb you and if you talk bad of team red they give you the red finger (sounds pervvy I know)

I hadnt noticed it here until today. Guess nobody likes my posts (heads off to sulk)

But seriously, I guess it is all about making members feel they are more part of a community in which they are involved

Basically it isn't personal popularity,

but having made a single post that is clear, concise

and resonates with several others.

It is a popular post because it motivated others to hit the Green Button.

I do note there is a daily limit on reds buttons. Sort of a flame retardant.

Hammered I've given you a few greens, no worries,

Edited September 7, 2010 by animatic

[sevenhills]

Scorecard.

And I guess vote buying, corruption, rank jumping etc does not exist anymore?? Please

As Ballpoint said, we could argue this for years and get no where.

Cheers guys and have a great night. Time for a beer.

Dear sevenhills,

I am not suggesting / nobody is suggesting, that corruption etc etc., has now stopped.

My point is that thaksin was turning corruption, nepotism, human rights abuses etc etc into a massive and open business with massive gains for himself, his cronies, his family etc., and it was growing bigger by the minute, and given the situation at hand and given the history of Thai politics etc., I was and still am a supporter of the 2006 coup.

The controls etc., to protect democracy were deliberately and openly destroyed by thaksin, and I for one am quite glad that the watchdog stepped in. Has the coup caused all sorts of other problems? Yes it has, clearly it has, but I suggest that it's brough lots of things to the surface which needed to come to the surface. And until many of these factors come to the surface and get resolved / put into a better picture then there will be no progress, Or in simple English it brough forward the bumps that must be resolved before things will move on.

Please also remember that democracy is still in it's infancy in Thailand.

Please also recognize that in very country in the world the processes which build and support democracy are different and it is not appropriate to simply say that because it doesn't look exactly like other countries then it is wrong.

Thai people have every right to build and maintain democracy in it's own flavor.

I do believe that given time abhisit will achieve a big reduction in corruption etc., but it will take a long time. Abhisit is surrounded by highly corrupt, incapable, no morals people who will fight tooth and nail to ensure corruption is not stopped, even in his own party. He works in a snakepit / a minefield, but I say again, given time I believe he will cut corruption.

And let's be honest corruption is holding Thailand back from development, and it's holding millions of Thai people back from much better opportunites and more equal opportunities which would bring prosperity and much better quality of life to a much much larger percentage of the Thai population. Plus corruption is stopping equal justice for all people.

Here's a question for you, do you really believe that thaksin again as PM, or Chalerm as PM or Yongyuth as PM, or jatuporn as PM would massively and quickly reduce corruption in Thailand, and would ensure equal justice for all Thai people?

Very nicely written, and your responses are accurate in regards to democracy and corruption.

To answer your question, the answer is definitely not, and as you said corruption is rife throughout Thailand at all levels in some way.

What I objected to was the way Thaksin was removed and the motives of the "others" to obtain through corruption for their own gains.

I have always been a supporter of Abhisit, but not of his party and factions that control him for their own gain.

[rixalex]

What I objected to was the way Thaksin was removed and the motives of the "others" to obtain through corruption for their own gains.

If democracy is allowed to function - ie checks and balances remain in place, media can report freely, people can speak out against the govt without having million baht lawsuits slapped on them - i think you will find any true believer in democracy would be totally opposed to the staging of a coup. Democracy wasn't however allowed to function. That's why we had the coup and that's why by and large it was welcomed - even by true believers in democracy.

[Siam Simon]

How the current coalition was formed was well-documented at the time.

Well documented by whom? I read and heard a wide variety of accounts of what went down in the forming of the latest coalition government. Which account is definitive is difficult to ascertain, although not for those snuffling up from the propaganda trough - they simply eat what they are fed.

"Knowing your background..." Yes, I post honest, independant, educated opinions.

Yes of course you do.... and i look like a buff version of Brad Pitt.

Why do you think the rest of the world is less than enthusiastic toward the Dem coalition/army government, and has no interest in arresting and extraditing a known crook? Hint: They know that the current lot are just as bad as him.

That you think countries make decisions on extradtition requests based on feelings, not laws and protocol, makes me think this self-appointment to speaker of the World may have come just a little too soon for you.

Your fellow right wing extremist Insight chastised me for editing one of his posts and a mod placed a strong warning about doing such shortly afterward. I suggest you delete your above quoted post, quote my original post in full and post a relevant reply. You are currently in serious breach of forum rules.

[rixalex]

Your fellow right wing extremist Insight chastised me for editing one of his posts and a mod placed a strong warning about doing such shortly afterward. I suggest you delete your above quoted post, quote my original post in full and post a relevant reply. You are currently in serious breach of forum rules.

Aside from the fact that it is quite impossible to go back and edit or delete one's post after a short period has elapsed, i do not believe the practice of quoting selected sections or sentences of other member's post for clarity and brevity is against the rule as stated below:

30) Do not modify someone else's post in your quoted reply, either with font or color changes, added emoticons, or altered wording.

I would obviously be happy for a mod to edit / delete my post, or take whatever action is necessary, if i have seriously breached forum rules, as you believe.

Regarding the right wing comment, in my experience it is the other way round, ie most foreign red shirt supporters tend to be Republicans / Conservatives, whereas those against the reds tend to either be Democrat / Labour... or simply people with common sense.

[Insight]

Your fellow right wing extremist Insight chastised me for editing one of his posts and a mod placed a strong warning about doing such shortly afterward. I suggest you delete your above quoted post, quote my original post in full and post a relevant reply. You are currently in serious breach of forum rules.

Right wing extremist? First you accuse me of being paid to post, now a of being a right-winger.

I support the Democrats (left), not PAD/NPP (right) and definitely not UDD/Phua Thai (further right). How does that make me right-wing?

/edit - regarding the post editing, you included the post I was quoting yet removed my reference to it. Are you really ethically challenged to the extent you cannot fathom why that was unacceptable?

Edited September 8, 2010 by Insight

[sevenhills]

Your fellow right wing extremist Insight chastised me for editing one of his posts and a mod placed a strong warning about doing such shortly afterward. I suggest you delete your above quoted post, quote my original post in full and post a relevant reply. You are currently in serious breach of forum rules.

Aside from the fact that it is quite impossible to go back and edit or delete one's post after a short period has elapsed, i do not believe the practice of quoting selected sections or sentences of other member's post for clarity and brevity is against the rule as stated below:

30) Do not modify someone else's post in your quoted reply, either with font or color changes, added emoticons, or altered wording.

I would obviously be happy for a mod to edit / delete my post, or take whatever action is necessary, if i have seriously breached forum rules, as you believe.

Regarding the right wing comment, in my experience it is the other way round, ie most foreign red shirt supporters tend to be Republicans / Conservatives, whereas those against the reds tend to either be Democrat / Labour... or simply people with common sense.

Sorry but Democrat / Labor people have never made any sense. Look at history and the Countries that are or have suffered these fools.

[rixalex]

Regarding the right wing comment, in my experience it is the other way round, ie most foreign red shirt supporters tend to be Republicans / Conservatives, whereas those against the reds tend to either be Democrat / Labour... or simply people with common sense.

Sorry but Democrat / Labor people have never made any sense. Look at history and the Countries that are or have suffered these fools.

OK then. Your view confirms what i was saying about red shirt supporters.

[scorecard]

Your fellow right wing extremist Insight chastised me for editing one of his posts and a mod placed a strong warning about doing such shortly afterward. I suggest you delete your above quoted post, quote my original post in full and post a relevant reply. You are currently in serious breach of forum rules.

Aside from the fact that it is quite impossible to go back and edit or delete one's post after a short period has elapsed, i do not believe the practice of quoting selected sections or sentences of other member's post for clarity and brevity is against the rule as stated below:

30) Do not modify someone else's post in your quoted reply, either with font or color changes, added emoticons, or altered wording.

I would obviously be happy for a mod to edit / delete my post, or take whatever action is necessary, if i have seriously breached forum rules, as you believe.

Regarding the right wing comment, in my experience it is the other way round, ie most foreign red shirt supporters tend to be Republicans / Conservatives, whereas those against the reds tend to either be Democrat / Labour... or simply people with common sense.

Sorry but Democrat / Labor people have never made any sense. Look at history and the Countries that are or have suffered these fools.

Please share some examples of these democrat / labor fools.

Edited September 8, 2010 by scorecard

[scorecard]

Scorecard.

And I guess vote buying, corruption, rank jumping etc does not exist anymore?? Please

As Ballpoint said, we could argue this for years and get no where.

Cheers guys and have a great night. Time for a beer.

Dear sevenhills,

I am not suggesting / nobody is suggesting, that corruption etc etc., has now stopped.

My point is that thaksin was turning corruption, nepotism, human rights abuses etc etc into a massive and open business with massive gains for himself, his cronies, his family etc., and it was growing bigger by the minute, and given the situation at hand and given the history of Thai politics etc., I was and still am a supporter of the 2006 coup.

The controls etc., to protect democracy were deliberately and openly destroyed by thaksin, and I for one am quite glad that the watchdog stepped in. Has the coup caused all sorts of other problems? Yes it has, clearly it has, but I suggest that it's brough lots of things to the surface which needed to come to the surface. And until many of these factors come to the surface and get resolved / put into a better picture then there will be no progress, Or in simple English it brough forward the bumps that must be resolved before things will move on.

Please also remember that democracy is still in it's infancy in Thailand.

Please also recognize that in very country in the world the processes which build and support democracy are different and it is not appropriate to simply say that because it doesn't look exactly like other countries then it is wrong.

Thai people have every right to build and maintain democracy in it's own flavor.

I do believe that given time abhisit will achieve a big reduction in corruption etc., but it will take a long time. Abhisit is surrounded by highly corrupt, incapable, no morals people who will fight tooth and nail to ensure corruption is not stopped, even in his own party. He works in a snakepit / a minefield, but I say again, given time I believe he will cut corruption.

And let's be honest corruption is holding Thailand back from development, and it's holding millions of Thai people back from much better opportunites and more equal opportunities which would bring prosperity and much better quality of life to a much much larger percentage of the Thai population. Plus corruption is stopping equal justice for all people.

Here's a question for you, do you really believe that thaksin again as PM, or Chalerm as PM or Yongyuth as PM, or jatuporn as PM would massively and quickly reduce corruption in Thailand, and would ensure equal justice for all Thai people?

Very nicely written, and your responses are accurate in regards to democracy and corruption.

To answer your question, the answer is definitely not, and as you said corruption is rife throughout Thailand at all levels in some way.

What I objected to was the way Thaksin was removed and the motives of the "others" to obtain through corruption for their own gains.

I have always been a supporter of Abhisit, but not of his party and factions that control him for their own gain.

Care to share some insights into your words:

"What I objected to was the way Thaksin was removed and the motives of the "others" to obtain through corruption for their own gains." Especially the part "..... the "others" to obtain through corruption for their own gains."

Edited September 8, 2010 by scorecard

[sevenhills]

Regarding the right wing comment, in my experience it is the other way round, ie most foreign red shirt supporters tend to be Republicans / Conservatives, whereas those against the reds tend to either be Democrat / Labour... or simply people with common sense.

Sorry but Democrat / Labor people have never made any sense. Look at history and the Countries that are or have suffered these fools.

OK then. Your view confirms what i was saying about red shirt supporters.

I don't agree that most foreign red shirt supporters are Conservatives? I believe that they support them out of their knowledge that they are downtrodden by this gangster government (edit to appease all...and most of the previous Governments). I am also quite sure that a lot of their foreign supporters in their own countries would support a Labor government. And in my opinion it is the present Government that are the Conservatives not the red shirts, as in any country the poor are usually the Labor supporters.

Edited September 8, 2010 by sevenhills

[sevenhills]

Your fellow right wing extremist Insight chastised me for editing one of his posts and a mod placed a strong warning about doing such shortly afterward. I suggest you delete your above quoted post, quote my original post in full and post a relevant reply. You are currently in serious breach of forum rules.

Aside from the fact that it is quite impossible to go back and edit or delete one's post after a short period has elapsed, i do not believe the practice of quoting selected sections or sentences of other member's post for clarity and brevity is against the rule as stated below:

30) Do not modify someone else's post in your quoted reply, either with font or color changes, added emoticons, or altered wording.

I would obviously be happy for a mod to edit / delete my post, or take whatever action is necessary, if i have seriously breached forum rules, as you believe.

Regarding the right wing comment, in my experience it is the other way round, ie most foreign red shirt supporters tend to be Republicans / Conservatives, whereas those against the reds tend to either be Democrat / Labour... or simply people with common sense.

Sorry but Democrat / Labor people have never made any sense. Look at history and the Countries that are or have suffered these fools.

Please share some examples of these democrat / labor fools.

Greece, Spain, Portugal, and unfortunately Australia again. (Yes I am Australian).

[rubl]

Sorry but Democrat / Labor people have never made any sense. Look at history and the Countries that are or have suffered these fools.

OK then. Your view confirms what i was saying about red shirt supporters.

I don't agree that most foreign red shirt supporters are Conservatives? I believe that they support them out of their knowledge that they are downtrodden by this gangster government. I am also quite sure that a lot of their foreign supporters in their own countries would support a Labor government. And in my opinion it is the present Government that are the Conservatives not the red shirts, as in any country the poor are usually the Labor supporters.

If you stop phrasing every sentence as a propaganda statement more people might agree with you. "The red-shirts downtrodden by this gangster government" is <deleted>. They have been held down by generations of upcountry elite who continue a paternalistic approach. This includes financial hand-outs, no-need-to-think-we'll-do-it-for-you. As for poor being Labor supporters, how does that match your previous remark of 'suffering fools' ?

[rixalex]

I don't agree that most foreign red shirt supporters are Conservatives? I believe that they support them out of their knowledge that they are downtrodden by this gangster government.

The poor are downtrodden not only by this present government but by systems that have been in place for years and by the rich and powerful - those of all political persuasion - and the reason why many people are against the red shirts is because they know that the movement has no genuine desire or sincere interest in doing anything about any of the issues affecting this group. That they say do is simply a lie. They are just using the plight of the poor to win power and money for themselves.

[sevenhills]

Sorry but Democrat / Labor people have never made any sense. Look at history and the Countries that are or have suffered these fools.

OK then. Your view confirms what i was saying about red shirt supporters.

I don't agree that most foreign red shirt supporters are Conservatives? I believe that they support them out of their knowledge that they are downtrodden by this gangster government. I am also quite sure that a lot of their foreign supporters in their own countries would support a Labor government. And in my opinion it is the present Government that are the Conservatives not the red shirts, as in any country the poor are usually the Labor supporters.

If you stop phrasing every sentence as a propaganda statement more people might agree with you. "The red-shirts downtrodden by this gangster government" is <deleted>. They have been held down by generations of upcountry elite who continue a paternalistic approach. This includes financial hand-outs, no-need-to-think-we'll-do-it-for-you. As for poor being Labor supporters, how does that match your previous remark of 'suffering fools' ?

"upcountry elite" I would assume that they are also "Yellow Government Conservatives" living in a predominantly Labor area with no respect for the poor.

As far as "suffering fools" is concerned, in true (1st World) democratic countries, yes they are fools, with no idea on how to successfully run a country without spending that country into bankruptcy or into massive debt.

[rixalex]

If you stop phrasing every sentence as a propaganda statement more people might agree with you. "The red-shirts downtrodden by this gangster government" is <deleted>. They have been held down by generations of upcountry elite who continue a paternalistic approach. This includes financial hand-outs, no-need-to-think-we'll-do-it-for-you. As for poor being Labor supporters, how does that match your previous remark of 'suffering fools' ?

"upcountry elite" I would assume that they are also "Yellow Government Conservatives" living in a predominantly Labor area with no respect for the poor.

Yes they are yellow... but they also happen to be blue, green, purple... and yes, they are also most certainly red.

[rubl]

Sorry but Democrat / Labor people have never made any sense. Look at history and the Countries that are or have suffered these fools.

I don't agree that most foreign red shirt supporters are Conservatives? I believe that they support them out of their knowledge that they are downtrodden by this gangster government. I am also quite sure that a lot of their foreign supporters in their own countries would support a Labor government. And in my opinion it is the present Government that are the Conservatives not the red shirts, as in any country the poor are usually the Labor supporters.

If you stop phrasing every sentence as a propaganda statement more people might agree with you. "The red-shirts downtrodden by this gangster government" is <deleted>. They have been held down by generations of upcountry elite who continue a paternalistic approach. This includes financial hand-outs, no-need-to-think-we'll-do-it-for-you. As for poor being Labor supporters, how does that match your previous remark of 'suffering fools' ?

"upcountry elite" I would assume that they are also "Yellow Government Conservatives" living in a predominantly Labor area with no respect for the poor.

As far as "suffering fools" is concerned, in true (1st World) democratic countries, yes they are fools, with no idea on how to successfully run a country without spending that country into bankruptcy or into massive debt.

Basicly any type of 'elite', but I fear upcountry not too many of your 'Yellow Government conservitives'.

As for "suffering fools", you more-or-less say 'Democrats/Labor are fools' and 'poor being Labor supporters'. How does that match?

Lastly not only Dem's or Labor know how to spent a country into bankruptcy, conservatives & republicans are also good at it, but that's of topic here.

(one of Rixalex posts in-between removed to avoid too many quotes.)

[sevenhills]

rubi.

I think you get the general idea, but you are good at twisting the story/words around to suit your own way of thinking.

We are going off topic and should go back to if /can Thaksin push Thai politics back on course?.

My original post "Come back Thaksin......" has had the required effect of spurring on great discussion /disagreement with a lot of members, both for and against.

That's what democracy is about, Now lets come up with constructive suggestions on how they (Thailand) should resolve and move forward to obtain real? democracy, whichever side of the political fence you sit on.

We are just observers here and will never have the right for any input into their form of democracy. (As the two foreign wanke_rs found out when sticking their noses in where they shouldn't have).

Cheers.

Love this thread.