Flood Of Scammers

LivinLOS · September 25, 2010

The motorbike section is getting flooded by scammers lately.

http://classifieds.thaivisa.com/automotives-vehicles/motorcycles/2006-honda-cbr-600-rr-68375.html

http://classifieds.thaivisa.com/automotives-vehicles/motorcycles/suzuki-gsx-r600-k3-68374.html

http://classifieds.thaivisa.com/automotives-vehicles/motorcycles/2006-honda-cbr-600-rr-5-68249.html

There was another one I reported in support forum but thats been removed.

See how all the locations are place, repeat place.. Vaguely italian names (they claim to be in Italy working)...

Just be aware.. 419 scammers at work.

maxtingtong · September 25, 2010

I don't know how you know that, but is possible.

What can i tell, as I'm italian, this

http://classifieds.thaivisa.com/automotives-vehicles/motorcycles/2006-honda-cbr-600-rr-68375.html

isn't italian, too many mistakes in the italian words in it.

I don't really understand what could be the scam on a motorbike. Do them think someone will send money before to see/try? Can I understand on a phone or a computer (never) sent by mail, but on a motorbike.. ?

Ciao

nikster · September 25, 2010

The all CAPS is a dead giveaway.

The other one will be, once you contact them, you'll have to transfer some money somewhere before you get to see anything. Then likely you'll never hear from them again. Classic 419. Don't waste your time. If you really want to know, contact them. Don't read anything they say, just figure out if it involves to somehow, somewhere, the transfer of money before you get to see the physical goods....

LivinLOS · September 25, 2010

Hes saying.. I exported the bike to italy but the taxes are too high to register.. so western union me the money and I will ship the bike to you..

sbk · September 25, 2010

Please email support (at) thaivisa.com with your suspected scammers thanks. As stated, its a buyer beware market and while TV certainly will do its best to protect the users as always, its best to have some common sense and again, send it on to support for deletion and banning.

LivinLOS · September 25, 2010

Please email support (at) thaivisa.com with your suspected scammers thanks. As stated, its a buyer beware market and while TV certainly will do its best to protect the users as always, its best to have some common sense and again, send it on to support for deletion and banning.

Already did... But the ads are still there..

JUDAS · September 25, 2010

Please email support (at) thaivisa.com with your suspected scammers thanks. As stated, its a buyer beware market and while TV certainly will do its best to protect the users as always, its best to have some common sense and again, send it on to support for deletion and banning. 
 Already did... But the ads are still there..

The links in your OP are now gone, at least they are for me.

nikster · September 25, 2010

Hes saying.. I exported the bike to italy but the taxes are too high to register.. so western union me the money and I will ship the bike to you..

Right, I forgot that - western union is always a scam. Always. WU is the only money transfer service where the money is actually gone once you send it off - no right to reverse transactions etc. On a credit card or PayPal or even bank transfer, you can complain and get the charges removed. Not with Western Union, which is why scammers love WU....

I once heard the story of the guy who lives in Samui - he sells various drugs via his website, Viagra, and other prescription drugs. Only, he doesn't actually have any drugs - he just takes the money via Western Union. Occasionally pays for an email spam campaign... it only takes a very small fraction of people to make this into a business.... if 1 out of 10,000 fell for it, he'd make a fortune.

Edited September 25, 2010 by nikster

bsacbob · October 25, 2010

Hes saying.. I exported the bike to italy but the taxes are too high to register.. so western union me the money and I will ship the bike to you..

Hi Guys

Just a heads up for those of you looking for a bike, as mentioned before by LLOS scammers are back with the usual western union, i now live in Italy scam, please beware and don't send any money !

Bmw Dakar 650 selling at 70K from BKK

Another BMW again from BKK 1150GS selling for 120K

Both look too good to be true and they are, be careful out there guy's :jap:

LivinLOS · October 25, 2010

The TMax 500 also... And the same guy.. Hes based in Italy (as the western union idea he proposes would be collected anywhere in Italy but not outside via the scammers usual MTCN system)..

Wonder if Italian police have any interest ??

soihok · October 25, 2010

Thanks for the warning.

Common sense is the best defence.

Hog Head · October 25, 2010

Reported to TV

Here is his reply to me:

Hello ,

The bike has greenbook available along with all registration papers in Thailand available,the bike is located in a private parking in Thailand and is already registered in my name, i bought the bike from Thailand and i'm the second owner,it has only 9000 original kilometers on it, and has all verification papers from the mechanic who verified it, and all this information can be found on technical book history of the bike that is also present,the bike has ABS brakes.

Two weeks ago a person from Thailand told to me that he want to buy my bike.I said Ok,we will meet in Thailand and we will make the deal.I come in Thailand but no buyer,never respond my emails or calls .For this reason i need to be sure that you really want to buy my bike.

I am in Italy now and the bike is in Thailand..Here is how we can start this deal together.I do not need any advance payment done to me until you see my bike.

But because i will have to come back in Thailand to meet with you and make the deal face in face, i can not put myself on the road until i will have some kind of warranty :

Here is EXACTLY how I propose you to make a safe deal:

-You go to your nearest Western Union branch and deposit the money that you have to pay me for the bike on a familiar name ( Ex your best friend ) .

-After you deposit the money you will receive the receipt ( your Send Money Form paper copy ). Scan it and send it back to me in JPEG format.

-Once I receive the scanned receipt from you,i will keep the bike just for you and i I will IMMEDIATELY go and but the plane ticket and also i will send you the scan so you can know for sure when i will arrive....

You will not pay anything until you will check the bike and we will make the papers in your name.I know that buying or selling on the Internet can be rather difficult, and it is always hard to trust your companion, because you have never hear or see him.For this reason I want to complete this deal in the safest way possible,for you and for me.

You will have to send the money to your familiar name ,not in my name and this way you are protected and for me this will be the warranty that you really want to buy my bike.

The transfer must to be like this:

sender name : here will be your name

sender address : your addres

receiver name : father,brother,relative name etc.

receiver address : Italy

Once I receive the scanned receipt from you, I will immediately go and buy the plane ticket and i will come with the bike at you..After i will come to you , you will inspect the bike and all the papers.I will cover all the expenses for this money transfer once we meet.All the taxes will be deducted from the price of the bike.When you will send me the scanned paper i will see that you are a serious person and you really want to buy my bike.

Thanks

Beware, and if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is

soihok · October 25, 2010

Thanks for that Hog Head.

I received an envelope a couple of years ago posted from Southern Spain telling me that I had won something like 10 million euros, on some nonexistant lottery.

All I had to do was to return the letter ( to a PO Box ) stating all my personnel and banking details and they would do the rest!

Do the rest indeed. I,m sure they would.

I can't believe that anyone would fall for these scams.

Funny enough a friend of mine received the same letter within a week.....we were both living in Singapore at the time.

Edited October 25, 2010 by soihok

bsacbob · October 25, 2010

Reported to TV

Here is his reply to me:

Hello ,

The bike has greenbook available along with all registration papers in Thailand available,the bike is located in a private parking in Thailand and is already registered in my name, i bought the bike from Thailand and i'm the second owner,it has only 9000 original kilometers on it, and has all verification papers from the mechanic who verified it, and all this information can be found on technical book history of the bike that is also present,the bike has ABS brakes.

Two weeks ago a person from Thailand told to me that he want to buy my bike.I said Ok,we will meet in Thailand and we will make the deal.I come in Thailand but no buyer,never respond my emails or calls .For this reason i need to be sure that you really want to buy my bike.

I am in Italy now and the bike is in Thailand..Here is how we can start this deal together.I do not need any advance payment done to me until you see my bike.

But because i will have to come back in Thailand to meet with you and make the deal face in face, i can not put myself on the road until i will have some kind of warranty :

Here is EXACTLY how I propose you to make a safe deal:

-You go to your nearest Western Union branch and deposit the money that you have to pay me for the bike on a familiar name ( Ex your best friend ) .

-After you deposit the money you will receive the receipt ( your Send Money Form paper copy ). Scan it and send it back to me in JPEG format.

-Once I receive the scanned receipt from you,i will keep the bike just for you and i I will IMMEDIATELY go and but the plane ticket and also i will send you the scan so you can know for sure when i will arrive....

You will not pay anything until you will check the bike and we will make the papers in your name.I know that buying or selling on the Internet can be rather difficult, and it is always hard to trust your companion, because you have never hear or see him.For this reason I want to complete this deal in the safest way possible,for you and for me.

You will have to send the money to your familiar name ,not in my name and this way you are protected and for me this will be the warranty that you really want to buy my bike.

The transfer must to be like this:

sender name : here will be your name

sender address : your addres

receiver name : father,brother,relative name etc.

receiver address : Italy

Once I receive the scanned receipt from you, I will immediately go and buy the plane ticket and i will come with the bike at you..After i will come to you , you will inspect the bike and all the papers.I will cover all the expenses for this money transfer once we meet.All the taxes will be deducted from the price of the bike.When you will send me the scanned paper i will see that you are a serious person and you really want to buy my bike.

Thanks

Beware, and if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is

Yep i got the same letter, i have replied saying i wont use western union and will meet him in BKK airport cash in hand, i don't expect a reply

2008bangkok · October 26, 2010

I cannot belive that anybody still falls for these i really cant for anyone who has time on there hands this is a site dedicated to 419 and they actually respond and pretend they are intrested, great read but some are lenghty http://www.419eater.com/index.php

BKK

Zzinged · October 26, 2010

Hog Head you should try offering to pay the deposit via PayPal. That way you can pull the payment if you need to

Hog Head · October 27, 2010

Here is his latest reply:

Hello

right now i'm in the devorce with my ex wife and i cannot use my bank account until the devorce will end, you will not send any money to me in advance you will show me only that you have the money by sending it under one of your friends name in Italy , you could scan the paper receipt so i can verify that the money are there we will set up everything let me know soon?

Thanks

visions · October 27, 2010

I am not suggesting to do this because obviously the bike ads are scams, but, anyone sending a WU transfer can safeguard themselves with this.....

With WU there is a box u can tick and makes answering a test question correctly the key to finalising the transfer.

You can prove the money is sent with the WU transfer # but the recipient cannot receive the money until the question is answered correctly. No answer no money.

just dont supply the answer until everything about your purchase is to your satisfaction. I have done that before with some software. Until I received the file, the sender couldnt have the cash.

In my case I received the software file so sent the test question answer, so I cannot answer how easy to get your money back again from WU, if you want??.

Hog Head · October 27, 2010

He will not give up:

Hello again,

i trust western union service because i sent money to my mother always, and for that reason i'm asking you to do the same but in italy so i can verify that you have it available, and after i will come back in Thailand and set up the meeting and purchasing of the bike,

let me know soon?

Thanks

Valdezugar · October 28, 2010

I cannot belive that anybody still falls for these i really cant for anyone who has time on there hands this is a site dedicated to 419 and they actually respond and pretend they are intrested, great read but some are lenghty http://www.419eater.com/index.php

BKK

In my home country a businessman from abroad had to be rescued after he was abducted and held for ransom. Some Nigerians lured him with some 419 type scam. Guy was a well off entrepreneur who fell for the "I've got XXX millions from my dead father tied up in trust but I need your help to transfer it".

It ain't the poor that fall for this; its those that don't need the money. Greed makes you blind . . . .