george Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 Thailand "deadliest" destination for Aussies Aussie travellers who go on a tragic one-way trip POPULAR travel destinations in Asia can be danger zones, Thailand and Vietnam recording the highest number of deaths from illness of Australian travellers. Figures from the Department of Foreign Affairs show that Thailand had more deaths from illness than any other country, with 147 Australians dying there between 2005 and 2010. In the same period Vietnam recorded 123 deaths from illness and the Philippines recorded 109. Thailand also had the highest number of Australian deaths termed ''accidental'', with 61 such deaths recorded in the past five years. Graham Kingaby, of Travel Insurance Direct, said people tended to get into trouble abroad because they relaxed their usual standards of safety when travelling. ''People hire mopeds and, while in Sydney they wouldn't think about not wearing a crash helmet or jeans, abroad they wear shorts and no helmet and think they are impervious to asphalt,'' he said. Advice from the Department of Foreign Affairs warns there is a risk of malaria, and Thai authorities have reported a rise in dengue fever cases and a number of deaths. But Muddappa Prabhu, a doctor at the International Travel Vaccination Centre in Sydney, said that as few as 14 per cent of those going abroad sought the full course of required vaccinations. Dr Prabhu blamed travel agents for not giving customers enough information about jabs for fear that the cost would put them off taking the trip. Paul Dillon, the director of Drug and Alcohol Research and Training Australia, said his research had found young Australians were more likely to experiment with drugs and alcohol when overseas. The low prices of illicit drugs overseas - particularly in Asia and Britain - were a drawcard for travellers. ''Young people [are] more likely to be risk takers as well. When you put all of that together, unfortunately there can be negative consequences.'' Australians were most likely to be murdered in the Philippines - 13 have been killed in the past five years. Indonesia and the US came in second and third. Some families are still waiting for answers, like that of the former model Jacinta Rees, 46, who was found dead in Portugal in 2008. Portuguese authorities said it was suicide but evidence emerged last week that she was murdered: she was found with axe wounds to her head and body. Brother Cameron Rees said the family had been in ''absolute turmoil'' and accused the Portuguese government of a cover-up. ''It's been a very hard road for us. We've really had no help from the Australian government at all. We repatriated her body ourselves and that took 24 days.'' A Department of Foreign Affairs spokeswoman said Australia's embassy ''vigorously pursued an open and transparent investigation by the Portuguese authorities''. On average, 15 Australians die overseas each week. This includes deaths from natural causes. In the past five years 3938 Australians have died overseas. The department said the death rate was not high compared with the number of Australians who travelled. In the past five years there have been 29.1 million departures of permanent residents from Australia. Source: http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/aussie-travellers-who-go-on-a-tragic-oneway-trip-20101030-17869.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaimite Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 without relating the above details to the number of travellers and their length of stay the above statistics are meaningless and misleading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 without relating the above details to the number of travellers and their length of stay the above statistics are meaningless and misleading Exactly, it's the number of deaths, diseases or accidents per numbers of Ausies here multipled by amount of time spent. And the same for all the other areas. How many incidents per 100,000 Aussies x over a 5 year period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini81 Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 yeah but they come here in droves, more than the other places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phutoie2 Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 without relating the above details to the number of travellers and their length of stay the above statistics are meaningless and misleading Exactly, it's the number of deaths, diseases or accidents per numbers of Ausies here multipled by amount of time spent. And the same for all the other areas. How many incidents per 100,000 Aussies x over a 5 year period Tosh!!, why should it be like that??, just because you say so? This article contains much common sense and has at least some some scource unlike yours & Aussie is the correct term cobber, oops I see you have noticed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunholidaysun1 Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 I wonder how many foreigners die in Australia every year ? I think it will be more than the amount of Australians who die here in Thailand ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimi007 Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 (edited) Advice from the Department of Foreign Affairs warns there is a risk of malaria, and Thai authorities have reported a rise in dengue fever cases and a number of deaths. But Muddappa Prabhu, a doctor at the International Travel Vaccination Centre in Sydney, said that as few as 14 per cent of those going abroad sought the full course of required vaccinations. Hum... Have they come up with a vaccine for dengue or malaria that I haven't ever heard of? I caught chikungunya here and there's no vaccine for that either. So, am I missing the point, or is the the reporter misinformed? Yet again! Edited October 30, 2010 by Jimi007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuffki Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 Article does not have to correct nor factual. Let this run in Oz media and minimum 1/3 of bookings will be canceled Put it on the website as a warning as another 1/3 will be canceled. The only ones that will come either ones who can not read and sex tourists and there is nothing keeping them away from girls 1/3 of their age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 (edited) without relating the above details to the number of travellers and their length of stay the above statistics are meaningless and misleading Exactly, it's the number of deaths, diseases or accidents per numbers of Ausies here multipled by amount of time spent. And the same for all the other areas. How many incidents per 100,000 Aussies x over a 5 year period Tosh!!, why should it be like that??, just because you say so? This article contains much common sense and has at least some some scource unlike yours & Aussie is the correct term cobber, oops I see you have noticed! As a warning it's dangerous here, that's fine. But of they want to use statistics, then there has to be a common reference, or it is meaningless tosh. This isn't my personal preference, but basic statistical analysis. Without common reference points it's just a scare story. Edited October 30, 2010 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 I wonder how many foreigners die in Australia every year ? I think it will be more than the amount of Australians who die here in Thailand ? You are comparing ALL foreigners dying in Australia, to ONLY Australians dying in Thailand. I wonder how many Thais die in Australia each year. Probably a lot less than Australians dying in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedNIvar Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 Need to track this in dppm levels. DPPM (Dead Persons Per Million). I believe this is low, probably way below 100, but this data was not released. I believe this article is meant more of a warning to potential Australians travelers to make sure they take all the proper medical precautions and abide by the laws as how they would in Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigC Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 basically this post seemd to suggest that Asssies have brain cell geans than everyone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred007 Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 Do these Stats include Tasmanians......................................................................Whats Life without humor....................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimi007 Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 basically this post seemd to suggest that Asssies have brain cell geans than everyone else HUH? Try proof reading your post, as it doesn't make any sense. I am guessing that you meant to say: Basically this post seems to suggest that Asssies have less brain cell genes than everyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 basically this post seemd to suggest that Asssies have brain cell geans than everyone else HUH? Try proof reading your post, as it doesn't make any sense. I am guessing that you meant to say: Basically this post seems to suggest that Asssies have less brain cell genes than everyone else? Maybe he is the one with less brain cells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunholidaysun1 Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 I wonder how many foreigners die in Australia every year ? I think it will be more than the amount of Australians who die here in Thailand ? You are comparing ALL foreigners dying in Australia, to ONLY Australians dying in Thailand. I wonder how many Thais die in Australia each year. Probably a lot less than Australians dying in Thailand. Considering the Abo's being native Australians,everyone else there is a foreigner !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJIC Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 Yet another flawed Study/Data, To achieve some balance it would need: 1. Figures per Nation living in Thailand. 2. length of stay. 3. Causes of death. 4. % of foreigners from each Nationality who died in Thailand. 5. % of deaths compared with foreigners own country. To name but a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buang Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 They should also give the ages of those that have deceased as a lot of Aussie travellers to Thailand & Vietnam are 60+, therefor in a higher risk bracket of dying after contracting certain diseases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 (edited) Article does not have to correct nor factual. Let this run in Oz media and minimum 1/3 of bookings will be canceled Put it on the website as a warning as another 1/3 will be canceled. The only ones that will come either ones who can not read and sex tourists and there is nothing keeping them away from girls 1/3 of their age. Ummmm............... source was Sydney Morning Herald, one of, if not the, best newspaper in oz. AFAIK very few oz tourists are aware TVF exists, I certainly didn't. Your cancellation figures seem therefore more than slightly exaggerated. Edited October 31, 2010 by OzMick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuffki Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 Article does not have to correct nor factual. Let this run in Oz media and minimum 1/3 of bookings will be canceled Put it on the website as a warning as another 1/3 will be canceled. The only ones that will come either ones who can not read and sex tourists and there is nothing keeping them away from girls 1/3 of their age. Ummmm............... source was Sydney Morning Herald, one of, if not the, best newspaper in oz. AFAIK very oz tourists are aware TVF exists, I certainly didn't. Your cancellation figures seem therefore more than slightly exaggerated. Why do not you add a few graphs and tables for the accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 I wonder how many foreigners die in Australia every year ? I think it will be more than the amount of Australians who die here in Thailand ? You are comparing ALL foreigners dying in Australia, to ONLY Australians dying in Thailand. I wonder how many Thais die in Australia each year. Probably a lot less than Australians dying in Thailand. Considering the Abo's being native Australians,everyone else there is a foreigner !! The aboriginals were foreigners at one stage too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 I think the UK also lists Thailand as the place where the most number of travelers die while on holiday. Here is a bit more info from another source. The numbers don't seem to add up to me???? On average, 15 Australians die overseas each week. This includes deaths from natural causes. In the past five years 3938 Australians have died overseas. The department said the death rate was not high compared with the number of Australians who travelled. In the past five years there have been 29.1 million departures of permanent residents from Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusyBee123 Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 wow who would imagine the largest death toll is thailand, phil and vietnam, nothing to do with old gimmers and viagra at all. good riddence i say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 I think the UK also lists Thailand as the place where the most number of travelers die while on holiday. Here is a bit more info from another source. The numbers don't seem to add up to me???? On average, 15 Australians die overseas each week. This includes deaths from natural causes. In the past five years 3938 Australians have died overseas. The department said the death rate was not high compared with the number of Australians who travelled. In the past five years there have been 29.1 million departures of permanent residents from Australia. Another source? That info is in the OP word for word. The numbers: 29 mil permanent residents departing - people going on holidays or business trips, leaving the country for a short time. It doesn't include tourists departing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbangkok Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 Don't the run this story every year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moetownblues Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 I wonder how many foreigners die in Australia every year ? I think it will be more than the amount of Australians who die here in Thailand ? You are comparing ALL foreigners dying in Australia, to ONLY Australians dying in Thailand. I wonder how many Thais die in Australia each year. Probably a lot less than Australians dying in Thailand. I would say probably zero. Good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moetownblues Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 I think the UK also lists Thailand as the place where the most number of travelers die while on holiday. Here is a bit more info from another source. The numbers don't seem to add up to me???? On average, 15 Australians die overseas each week. This includes deaths from natural causes. In the past five years 3938 Australians have died overseas. The department said the death rate was not high compared with the number of Australians who travelled. In the past five years there have been 29.1 million departures of permanent residents from Australia. Another source? That info is in the OP word for word. The numbers: 29 mil permanent residents departing - people going on holidays or business trips, leaving the country for a short time. It doesn't include tourists departing. Not bad for a population of 28 Mil I know that I make up for 12 departures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 (edited) I wonder how many foreigners die in Australia every year ? I think it will be more than the amount of Australians who die here in Thailand ? You are comparing ALL foreigners dying in Australia, to ONLY Australians dying in Thailand. I wonder how many Thais die in Australia each year. Probably a lot less than Australians dying in Thailand. Considering the Abo's being native Australians,everyone else there is a foreigner !! The aboriginals were foreigners at one stage too. Yes. But at that time, living in a group on the other side of the next hill was being a foreigner. Edited October 31, 2010 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebelge Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 I wonder how many foreigners die in Australia every year ? I think it will be more than the amount of Australians who die here in Thailand ? You are comparing ALL foreigners dying in Australia, to ONLY Australians dying in Thailand. I wonder how many Thais die in Australia each year. Probably a lot less than Australians dying in Thailand. Probably a lot more than anyone would imagine, a lot of migrants still keep their original nationality so technically they are not Australian Citizens, so you could have a migrant from the UK or Thailand who dies a natural death, but still comes under the statistics of a foreigner dying in Australia, I think the interesting statistic would be to find out the percentage of those who died from no natural causes, not wanting to be ghoulish on this Halloween Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moetownblues Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 They should also give the ages of those that have deceased as a lot of Aussie travellers to Thailand & Vietnam are 60+, therefor in a higher risk bracket of dying after contracting certain diseases. Heart attack 60 - 70+ old Aussies with 19 yr old bar girls not good for the heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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