New map version for Garmin units to be released on Thursday (11/11/2010) - TSM (Thai Street Map) version 11.

We should find out what improvements have been made on that day.

tomorrow.....

I can tell you they still won't be enabling Junction VIew for non-Thai OS units.

I can tell you they still won't be enabling Junction VIew for non-Thai OS units.

Why should they? ESRI is in business to make money from their Garmin GPS franchise and the Thai OS. There are a lot of people in Thailand that need the Thai OS.

Edited November 10, 201015 yr by InterestedObserver

I can tell you they still won't be enabling Junction VIew for non-Thai OS units.

I don't need the Junction view, but I need more streets and bugs corrected (even it is very good already)

I can tell you they still won't be enabling Junction VIew for non-Thai OS units.

Why should they? ESRI is in business to make money from their Garmin GPS franchise and the Thai OS. There are a lot of people in Thailand that need the Thai OS.

I really didn't say if they should or not in my post above, but I thought I explained this already in another thread. But I'll do it again.

1. They pay a price with their customer base when they resort to such cheap tactics. There's nothing wrong with charging a license fee to support non-Thai OS units, but at least support them and don't try to force the customer. It leaves a bad taste in their mouth. I for one, will not buy another ERSI product or Thai market GPS until they stop this practice. Nor will I recommend others do so. I don't find it worth the issue to rally people against them, but if asked I'd say vote for mature business practices with your baht.

2. Anyone who's made it past Business 101 is shaking their head at such practices. It's juvenile, it's destructive, and very Thai. There's a reason Thailand remains a 3rd world country and their protectionism (enforced by corruption) is a big chunk of that reason.

3. It's definitely high on the risk factor for anti-trust.. it's no coincidence Garmin stopped carrying their TSM when ERSI made their intentions known.

There's a lot more.. but this should be enough. But you are right about one thing.. there are a lot of people in Thailand who need their Thai-OS.. in fact you could call it their main customer base. Westerners bringing in western bought GPS units are a extremely small percentage of the market.. it takes a very small mind to draw the line they did. It's just plain stupid by any measure.

Edited to add one more observation: I deal with technology every day.. electronics, cameras, etc, are the mainstay of my business. I shouldn't have been, but I was.. surprised by how many people tell me they justify pirating their product because of this practice. I say 'shouldn't have been', because it's the same logic/mindset people have been using against Microsoft for years.. Positive public perception of a company is priceless, you can't really put a price on it. I can see Thai businesses pulling something like this when the consumer can't get the product anywhere else (which they do across most of the market place), but they kinda missed the boat doing this when the consumer can so easily pirate their product and get it for free.

Edited November 10, 201015 yr by bkksw

I can tell you they still won't be enabling Junction VIew for non-Thai OS units.

I don't need the Junction view, but I need more streets and bugs corrected (even it is very good already)

I agree its of marginal value. But I'd disagree it's even a mature product, much less very good. Have you used a recent map set in the USA or Europe? Night and day difference. Even the mapset I used in the states five years ago is far advanced (and all functions enabled like being able to enter an address, a city, adequately separating categories (restaurants, malls, and other points of interest) over the latest TSM I used. It is getting better, and I'm curious to see what people think of V11, but it severely lags current technology.. This site is pretty good for keeping abreast of what's possible. Heck, I'll be happy when the finally solve the problem so the GPS knows if you're elevated on the expressway or down below it..

ESRI Thailand Street Map v11.0 successfully downloaded from GPSsociety website. New v11.0 map is 161MB Thai, 151MB English. Significantly Improved rural road detail in the area I looked at south of Phetchabun.

Edited November 11, 201015 yr by InterestedObserver

ESRI Thailand Street Map v11.0 successfully downloaded from GPSsociety website. New v11.0 map is 161MB Thai, 151MB English. Significantly Improved rural road detail in the area I looked at south of Phetchabun.

IO, can I ask you what model you use and what OS is on it? I seem to remember an different thread said that the 3790T was not available in LOS yet. I can get the 3790T here in the US for about $416 and the 3760T for about $399 ... both without Thailand maps, of course.

Thanks

David

Garmin nuvi 3770? available in Thailand from November 17th, price 14,700 baht complete with Thailand map. I have a nuvi 205 Thai OS with 3 Thai maps installed, including the latest Thailand Street Map v11.0.

I can tell you they still won't be enabling Junction VIew for non-Thai OS units.

I don't need the Junction view, but I need more streets and bugs corrected (even it is very good already)

I agree its of marginal value. But I'd disagree it's even a mature product, much less very good. Have you used a recent map set in the USA or Europe? Night and day difference. Even the mapset I used in the states five years ago is far advanced (and all functions enabled like being able to enter an address, a city, adequately separating categories (restaurants, malls, and other points of interest) over the latest TSM I used. It is getting better, and I'm curious to see what people think of V11, but it severely lags current technology.. This site is pretty good for keeping abreast of what's possible. Heck, I'll be happy when the finally solve the problem so the GPS knows if you're elevated on the expressway or down below it..

Well, just been in Malaysia and what I had seen there was ages behind that in Thailand. For my country, everything is registered, every small shop, every small road. It might be much easier to collect the informations than in Thailand where everything seems so busy. The revenue department tried to find our company a few times, but failed. Something like that is unthinkable in Europe....

So I think they make a good job, specially considering how few GPS are used here (not even the Taxi driver with the GPS sticker have one)

I can tell you they still won't be enabling Junction VIew for non-Thai OS units.

Why should they? ESRI is in business to make money from their Garmin GPS franchise and the Thai OS. There are a lot of people in Thailand that need the Thai OS.

I really didn't say if they should or not in my post above, but I thought I explained this already in another thread. But I'll do it again.

1. They pay a price with their customer base when they resort to such cheap tactics. There's nothing wrong with charging a license fee to support non-Thai OS units, but at least support them and don't try to force the customer. It leaves a bad taste in their mouth. I for one, will not buy another ERSI product or Thai market GPS until they stop this practice. Nor will I recommend others do so. I don't find it worth the issue to rally people against them, but if asked I'd say vote for mature business practices with your baht.

2. Anyone who's made it past Business 101 is shaking their head at such practices. It's juvenile, it's destructive, and very Thai. There's a reason Thailand remains a 3rd world country and their protectionism (enforced by corruption) is a big chunk of that reason.

3. It's definitely high on the risk factor for anti-trust.. it's no coincidence Garmin stopped carrying their TSM when ERSI made their intentions known.

There's a lot more.. but this should be enough. But you are right about one thing.. there are a lot of people in Thailand who need their Thai-OS.. in fact you could call it their main customer base. Westerners bringing in western bought GPS units are a extremely small percentage of the market.. it takes a very small mind to draw the line they did. It's just plain stupid by any measure.

Edited to add one more observation: I deal with technology every day.. electronics, cameras, etc, are the mainstay of my business. I shouldn't have been, but I was.. surprised by how many people tell me they justify pirating their product because of this practice. I say 'shouldn't have been', because it's the same logic/mindset people have been using against Microsoft for years.. Positive public perception of a company is priceless, you can't really put a price on it. I can see Thai businesses pulling something like this when the consumer can't get the product anywhere else (which they do across most of the market place), but they kinda missed the boat doing this when the consumer can so easily pirate their product and get it for free.

that reminds me to the people who bought original games but couldn't register with steam and original windows which got the complains (specially if changing hardware) while all the pirated worked fine. Or people who bought games with terrible bugs.

Some people will always pirate software. But some people learned it the hard way that you are a paying idiot if you buy software and just trust that it will be OK.

TSM v.11 - Thai Street Map version 11, changes/improvements list

• Update road data at every level - total of 700,000 km.
• Update 550,000 point-of-interest (POIs)
• Update 850 Junction Views, add 37 Complex Junction Views (for compatible devices only)
• Support text-to-speech (TTS) (for compatible devices only)
• Add 3-D buildings (108 buildings) and terrain view (for compatible devices only)
• Update 130,000 telephone numbers (navigable)
• Support automatic map switching Thai/English (Dual Map) (for compatible devices only)
• Update more than 4,000 building entry points (Multi-Entry gate)
• Update more than 1,600 CDG Guide data for the food category
• Support traffic report* (for compatible devices only)
• Update Lane Info for Bangkok and its perimeters and major cities in Thailand
• Improve searching capability for POIs

Note : the numbers shown above are estimation only.

TSM v.11.0 needs about 161 MB. of storage memory for Thai language map and 151 MB for English language map

Source: Garmin Thailand (ESRI)

Edited November 12, 201015 yr by moris

Garmin nuvi 3770? available in Thailand from November 17th, price 14,700 baht complete with Thailand map. I have a nuvi 205 Thai OS with 3 Thai maps installed, including the latest Thailand Street Map v11.0.

The new model (nuvi 3770) has introduction discount - 1.000 THB if you make pre-order (and confirm with 1.000 THB) until 14th November.

"Garmin nuvi 3770?" - rumors form ESRI say that is similar with the specs to the nuvi 3790. I would wait with this kind of statement until actually someone has it in hands

Lets hope the new pattaya section of Motorway 7 is included.

My 205 gets brain fatigue telling me she is recalculating, as we "Drive though fields"

Lets hope the new pattaya section of Motorway 7 is included.

My 205 gets brain fatigue telling me she is recalculating, as we "Drive though fields"

Yes it is, no more driving through open fields east of Pattaya.

TSM v.11 - Thai Street Map version 11, changes/improvements list

• Update road data at every level - total of 700,000 km.
• Update 550,000 point-of-interest (POIs)
• Update 850 Junction Views, add 37 Complex Junction Views (for compatible devices only)
• Support text-to-speech (TTS) (for compatible devices only)
• Add 3-D buildings (108 buildings) and terrain view (for compatible devices only)
• Update 130,000 telephone numbers (navigable)
• Support automatic map switching Thai/English (Dual Map) (for compatible devices only)
• Update more than 4,000 building entry points (Multi-Entry gate)
• Update more than 1,600 CDG Guide data for the food category
• Support traffic report* (for compatible devices only)
• Update Lane Info for Bangkok and its perimeters and major cities in Thailand
• Improve searching capability for POIs

Note : the numbers shown above are estimation only.

TSM v.11.0 needs about 161 MB. of storage memory for Thai language map and 151 MB for English language map

Source: Garmin Thailand (ESRI)

I remember a few months ago when i told i had bought the 1390T that one in here told me there was no need to buy a Garmin with junction views, look that there is a reason now

I remember a few months ago when i told i had bought the 1390T that one in here told me there was no need to buy a Garmin with junction views, look that there is a reason now

You bought your 1390T in Europe; therefore, you don't have the Thai OS which is required for junction view. Junction view still only applies to roads in and around Bangkok. Nothing has changed until ESRI states otherwise.

Edited November 14, 201015 yr by InterestedObserver

I can tell you they still won't be enabling Junction VIew for non-Thai OS units.

Why should they? ESRI is in business to make money from their Garmin GPS franchise and the Thai OS. There are a lot of people in Thailand that need the Thai OS.

Surely they are in the business of selling maps ?? And if I buy the map, for the same price as any other garmin user, I should have access to the same feature set ??

I can tell you they still won't be enabling Junction VIew for non-Thai OS units.

Why should they? ESRI is in business to make money from their Garmin GPS franchise and the Thai OS. There are a lot of people in Thailand that need the Thai OS.

Surely they are in the business of selling maps ?? And if I buy the map, for the same price as any other garmin user, I should have access to the same feature set ??

Garmin's Thailand map, City Navigator Southeast Asia NT, does not contain any junction views for Thailand. ESRI is the only game in town; their game, their rules.

ESRI Thailand Street Map v11.0 successfully downloaded from GPSsociety website. New v11.0 map is 161MB Thai, 151MB English. Significantly Improved rural road detail in the area I looked at south of Phetchabun.

IO, can I ask you what model you use and what OS is on it? I seem to remember an different thread said that the 3790T was not available in LOS yet. I can get the 3790T here in the US for about $416 and the 3760T for about $399 ... both without Thailand maps, of course.

Thanks

David

I've been in close contact with ERSI.. in fact they're using my 3790t as a test bed. The entire 3700 series will basically operate the same. Any of them will run the maps once they figure out how any of them can run the maps..;o)

At issue is Garmin's latest security protocols. Namely a MAP ID north of 2200 (the old one was 57) which requires a separate authentication file hidden in parts undisclosed.. These files will have a .gma extension and be in the /systems hidden folder of the new units.. All of this makes piracy very difficult which I'm glad to see.. and hopefully it will encourage them to drop their ridiculous JV restriction.

They tell me we'll see building 3d and terrain view and the maps will support nuRoute.. all impressive achievements.

Meanwhile.. V11 works fine on the older Nuvi series.. have the new map on both my 350 and 885t with no issues. But I suspect the new major firmware/OS upgrade for these units (if they bother) will support the new security features.

I hope to have my Nuvi 3790t back tomorrow or the next day and will soon post a review on my site.

ESRI Thailand Street Map v11.0 successfully downloaded from GPSsociety website. New v11.0 map is 161MB Thai, 151MB English. Significantly Improved rural road detail in the area I looked at south of Phetchabun.

IO, can I ask you what model you use and what OS is on it? I seem to remember an different thread said that the 3790T was not available in LOS yet. I can get the 3790T here in the US for about $416 and the 3760T for about $399 ... both without Thailand maps, of course.

Thanks

David

I've been in close contact with ERSI.. in fact they're using my 3790t as a test bed. The entire 3700 series will basically operate the same. Any of them will run the maps once they figure out how any of them can run the maps..;o)

At issue is Garmin's latest security protocols. Namely a MAP ID north of 2200 (the old one was 57) which requires a separate authentication file hidden in parts undisclosed.. These files will have a .gma extension and be in the /systems hidden folder of the new units.. All of this makes piracy very difficult which I'm glad to see.. and hopefully it will encourage them to drop their ridiculous JV restriction.

They tell me we'll see building 3d and terrain view and the maps will support nuRoute.. all impressive achievements.

Meanwhile.. V11 works fine on the older Nuvi series.. have the new map on both my 350 and 885t with no issues. But I suspect the new major firmware/OS upgrade for these units (if they bother) will support the new security features.

I hope to have my Nuvi 3790t back tomorrow or the next day and will soon post a review on my site.

Well.. that certainly didn't work out.

After having my 3790t for almost two weeks they called and apologized for not being able to put V11 on it. Yet.

They tell me they're working on it.. 3-4 weeks more.

Well.. that certainly didn't work out.

After having my 3790t for almost two weeks they called and apologized for not being able to put V11 on it. Yet.

They tell me they're working on it.. 3-4 weeks more.

So are are you trying to say that the ESRI Thai OS 3770 is toast, they can't get their v11 map to work on it, or just that the 3790T Garmin OS won't work with the ESRI v11 map.?

Edited November 26, 201015 yr by InterestedObserver

Well.. that certainly didn't work out.

After having my 3790t for almost two weeks they called and apologized for not being able to put V11 on it. Yet.

They tell me they're working on it.. 3-4 weeks more.

So are are you trying to say that the ESRI Thai OS 3770 is toast, they can't get their v11 map to work on it, or just that the 3790T Garmin OS won't work with the ESRI v11 map.?

I would assume if they're advertising the 3770 with V11 then it works.. but I didn't ask.

The plan is for all of them to work and I get the feeling they're sincere about this. And embarrassed.

I would assume if they're advertising the 3770 with V11 then it works....

Are they, where do they specifically state that it comes with TSM v11?????

I'm waiting to buy one to see if it comes with TSM v11.

Edited November 27, 201015 yr by InterestedObserver

I would assume if they're advertising the 3770 with V11 then it works....

Are they, where do they specifically state that it comes with TSM v11?????

I'm waiting to buy one to see if it comes with TSM v11.

Good point.. Over on GPSSociety you see the header/banner with advertising both the 3770/V11.. and that V11 now supports certain features (3d buildings, topo terrian, etc), and it makes you 'think' it's supported.. but it doesn't say.

If it doesn't yet support V11.. then it makes more sense why they couldn't get it to work on my 3790t.

I'm in contact with them and I'll find out. Though, as soon as they got their own 3770's in hand they sure lost interest in testing mine.

I would assume if they're advertising the 3770 with V11 then it works....

Are they, where do they specifically state that it comes with TSM v11?????

I'm waiting to buy one to see if it comes with TSM v11.

The ESRI 3770 comes with a special "TSM v11NT for nuvi 3770 Thai" map.

can westerners bring in their garmin units with this new map and have it functional, i don't quite understand the conversation here ...

is this map an improvement over the tomtom version ?

thanks and aloha

I can tell you they still won't be enabling Junction VIew for non-Thai OS units.

Why should they? ESRI is in business to make money from their Garmin GPS franchise and the Thai OS. There are a lot of people in Thailand that need the Thai OS.

I really didn't say if they should or not in my post above, but I thought I explained this already in another thread. But I'll do it again.

1. They pay a price with their customer base when they resort to such cheap tactics. There's nothing wrong with charging a license fee to support non-Thai OS units, but at least support them and don't try to force the customer. It leaves a bad taste in their mouth. I for one, will not buy another ERSI product or Thai market GPS until they stop this practice. Nor will I recommend others do so. I don't find it worth the issue to rally people against them, but if asked I'd say vote for mature business practices with your baht.

2. Anyone who's made it past Business 101 is shaking their head at such practices. It's juvenile, it's destructive, and very Thai. There's a reason Thailand remains a 3rd world country and their protectionism (enforced by corruption) is a big chunk of that reason.

3. It's definitely high on the risk factor for anti-trust.. it's no coincidence Garmin stopped carrying their TSM when ERSI made their intentions known.

There's a lot more.. but this should be enough. But you are right about one thing.. there are a lot of people in Thailand who need their Thai-OS.. in fact you could call it their main customer base. Westerners bringing in western bought GPS units are a extremely small percentage of the market.. it takes a very small mind to draw the line they did. It's just plain stupid by any measure.

Edited to add one more observation: I deal with technology every day.. electronics, cameras, etc, are the mainstay of my business. I shouldn't have been, but I was.. surprised by how many people tell me they justify pirating their product because of this practice. I say 'shouldn't have been', because it's the same logic/mindset people have been using against Microsoft for years.. Positive public perception of a company is priceless, you can't really put a price on it. I can see Thai businesses pulling something like this when the consumer can't get the product anywhere else (which they do across most of the market place), but they kinda missed the boat doing this when the consumer can so easily pirate their product and get it for free.

Not many people use TomToms in Thailand, only recently have maps of Thailand become available so not much experience with them. TomTom is reported to have purchased TeleAtlas a couple of years ago. I have a TeleAtlas map of Thailand, City Navigator Southeast Asia NT v4.5, and use it as my back-up map.

Garmin currently markets a NavTeq map of Thailand, City Navigator Southeast Asia NT, for use in their GPS units bought outside of Thailand.

Edited December 16, 201015 yr by InterestedObserver

you have teleatlas for your garmin unit?

is there some limitation about bringing say a US purchase GPS into Thailand, will it likely work properly assumign one has a Thaialand map?

garmin unit here is more expensive than tomtom , both the unit and the map is why i ask ... thanks