CRES To Beef Up Security Ahead Of Bangkok Red-Shirt Rallies

[Siam Simon]

Just as an aside, I was banned for a week and my entire essay post was deleted because I posted a furious response to a post FAR less offensive than yours, and in fairness to the moderator who deleted it, my tone was very strong, and I concluded my essay with a colourful sentence telling the offender where he could go and I gave him colourful instructions on how he could get there.

I could accept the fact that the language used inappropriate. But I held that the 'offence' caused by using a commonly-used 4-letter word was really rather restrained considering the nature of the lies I was responding to (with logical arguments, all deleted).

I'm fully cognisant of the incredibly tricky and frustrating job moderators are faced with, when they are tasked with refereeing discussion in which both sides hold very strong, polarising emotions. And I accepted that my tone was really rather strong, and I was facetious when I offered an advance apology to the mods for my telling the provocateur where he could go in my final sentence.

But I hold it's inappropriate to be sensitive to the reported offended party at being told where they can go, when they insist on provoking offence with such slanderous insults to decency (as evidenced by Monkfish's post above).

Be that as it may, I will abide by the rules which allow slanderous lies to be posted by Red Shirts and Thaksin-apologists but prevent furious responses to their provocation. Rules are rules, and I will always abide by them if and when I am able to.

So I will not describe the slanderous lies of monkfish as idiotic.

And I will not assert that his slanderous lies are ridiculous.

That way, he cannot possibly be offended.

As to the offence caused by his slander posted in attempts to blatantly lie about recent events, well...I shall try and stiffen my upper lip (as opposed to their quivering lips, sobbing as they cowardly feign offence when they cowardly Report my grossly disproportionate (far less offensive, and quite justified) responses to their illegal / criminal claims clearly intended to provoke.

If I were you, mate, I would read carefully Hanuman1's latest reply to you in the 'failure to keep track of Thaksin' thread. And re-read it. And re-read it. And keep re-reading it until you come to your senses.

[TheyCallmeScooter]

If I were you, mate, I would read carefully Hanuman1's latest reply to you in the 'failure to keep track of Thaksin' thread. And re-read it. And re-read it. And keep re-reading it until you come to your senses.

Thanks mate!

If I were you, I would do lots of things. But I wouldn't be so arrogant as to believe that I had a right to offer unsolicited / invalid suggestions or advice, without providing any corresponding examples or any real logic.

I could offer you some valid advice with examples and logic, if I thought you would actually listen and take my constructive criticism on board. I do not believe you would, so I won't waste my time not wasting yours.

But you can read my destruction of the somewhat-non-constructive criticism of Hanuman1' here. I will not tell you to keep reading it forever, however. That would be somewhat cruel, as I suspect it would be somewhat redundant. I'll just inform you that I recently embarrassed Hanuman1 - if you were wondering why he launched his embarrassing ad hominem attack in that thread.

[Siam Simon]

If I were you, mate, I would read carefully Hanuman1's latest reply to you in the 'failure to keep track of Thaksin' thread. And re-read it. And re-read it. And keep re-reading it until you come to your senses.

Thanks mate!

If I were you, I would do lots of things. But I wouldn't be so arrogant as to believe that I had a right to offer unsolicited / invalid suggestions or advice, without providing any corresponding examples or any real logic.

I could offer you some valid advice with examples and logic, if I thought you would actually listen and take my constructive criticism on board. I do not believe you would, so I won't waste my time not wasting yours.

But you can read my destruction of the somewhat-non-constructive criticism of Hanuman1' here. I will not tell you to keep reading it forever, however. That would be somewhat cruel, as I suspect it would be somewhat redundant. I'll just inform you that I recently embarrassed Hanuman1 - if you were wondering why he launched his embarrassing ad hominem attack in that thread.

Just about every one of us regular posters has made at least one embarrassing post that we regretted and made us cringe upon re-reading it. Perception of self is a wonderful and humbling thing. You really need to try it at least once. It may even get you part the way back down from the sky.

[TheyCallmeScooter]

Just about every one of us regular posters has made at least one embarrassing post that we regretted and made us cringe upon re-reading it. Perception of self is a wonderful and humbling thing. You really need to try it at least once. It may even get you part the way back down from the sky.

I assure you Sir, that I have made thousands of such posts over many, many years of Internet forum posting (rough estimate of 80,000 individual posts across all forums).

I assure you Sir, that I have made and will continue to make embarrassing or cringe-worthy posts here on ThaiVisa. Especially when I'm drunk.

I assure you that I find no shame in such things. And will objectively assess and cringe if appropriate and apologise when appropriate, if I am directed to one.

I assure you that you have not (yet) induced any cringing or embarrassment (except perhaps that induced on your behalf - dam_n my empathy).

But can all you Red Shirts, Thaksin-apologists and other OT-discussion generating types return to the Topic being discussed, please?

I believe I have asked some questions (or maybe a few hundred or thousand) which require responses from your 'side'. And I have asked these questions politely and been rudely ignored. Please address them. And save the (invalid) OT-diversion attempts for PMs or another thread you may start to discuss my posting style rather than ignore the content of the uncomfortable questions I request you kindly answer.

[Siam Simon]

Just about every one of us regular posters has made at least one embarrassing post that we regretted and made us cringe upon re-reading it. Perception of self is a wonderful and humbling thing. You really need to try it at least once. It may even get you part the way back down from the sky.

I assure you Sir, that I have made thousands of such posts over many, many years of Internet forum posting (rough estimate of 80,000 individual posts across all forums).

I assure you Sir, that I have made and will continue to make embarrassing or cringe-worthy posts here on ThaiVisa. Especially when I'm drunk.

I assure you that I find no shame in such things. And will objectively assess and cringe if appropriate and apologise when appropriate, if I am directed to one.

I assure you that you have not (yet) induced any cringing or embarrassment (except perhaps that induced on your behalf - dam_n my empathy).

But can all you Red Shirts, Thaksin-apologists and other OT-discussion generating types return to the Topic being discussed, please?

I believe I have asked some questions (or maybe a few hundred or thousand) which require responses from your 'side'. And I have asked these questions politely and been rudely ignored. Please address them. And save the (invalid) OT-diversion attempts for PMs or another thread you may start to discuss my posting style rather than ignore the content of the uncomfortable questions I request you kindly answer.

Well.....Hanuman1 tried to help you, I tried to help you.....but, ultimately, you can only help yourself, and you are your own worst enemy at the moment.

[cdnvic]

Back on topic please.

[MikeyIdea]

Back to topic it is.

I hope that CRES sends in quite a lot of those nice men in greens, they seem to be much more interested in keeping order and preserve democracy than the police

[whybother]

Weren't there a couple of protests weekend just gone? No reports?

[Buchholz]

Weren't there a couple of protests weekend just gone? No reports?

Potjaman attended the event on the 14th. She should be starting her 3 year prison sentence handed down with her conviction 25 months ago...uhmmm, any day now.

http://www.khaosod.co.th/view_news.php?newsid=TUROd01ERXdNakUwTVRFMU13PT0=&sectionid=TURNd01RPT0=&day=TWpBeE1DMHhNUzB4TkE9PQ==

[Buchholz]

Red Shirt's in Bangkok commemorate the assassination of their commander

Major-General Khittaya Sawasdipol’s daughter Khattiyaa was the star attraction at the “Red Shirt” UDD rally in Bangkok today. The gathering at the site next to Lumpini Park and near the Sala Daeng intersection where their “commander in chief” was assassinated by unknown forces was staged to celebrate the six-month anniversary of his murder.

Khattiyaa, the Generals daughter was treated as Royalty by the visiting protesters with many of them pushing through the crowds to get her signature on their clothing or more hopefully a photograph next to her.

She lit candles with a high order monk at the assassination site of her father and addressed the chanting crowds encouraging the “Red Shirts to come to rallies in Bangkok every second Sunday of the month” and “thanking the people here who still love my dad".

She "will pray to him asking [him to] take care of everyone here”.

She maintains that “she will always strive to help the Red Shirt’s achieve democracy for the [population of] Thailand.”

Continues:

http://www.demotix.com/news/508020/red-shirts-bangkok-commemorate-assasination-their-commander

Demotix - November 14, 2010

Edited November 15, 2010 by Buchholz

[rubl]

The article quoted by buchholz had two more paragraphs:

A long standing family of UDD campaigners and protesters Mr Smanchit and his Muslim wife Hanafee pictured here today at the rally “bring their 3 children to every Red Shirt rally”. The family live in Bangkok and say that they support the movement “because they think that the Thai Prime Minister [Abhisit] should be chosen by everyone not be just [a puppet] chosen by rich people”. They continue that “some people in Bangkok like the Prime Minister Abhisit but many poor people do not like him.”

As the sun sets over Thailand today it seems apparent that the Red Shirt protests will continue, even though the Thai Government’s long standing emergency decree bans even modest sized protest groups in some areas of the country including Bangkok.

The first paragraph suggest k. Smanchit doesn't approve of the democratic principle through which a PM can be elected / appointed. He should be supported to present that opinion to the poor people in the UK, Australia and the Netherlands where something similar has happened recently.

The second paragraph suggests the Thai government is being pragmatic as long as protests and gatherings proceed orderly and finish the same day.

Not here, but in the quote by buchholz this interesting sentence from Ms. Khattiya:

"She maintains that “she will always strive to help the Red Shirt’s achieve democracy for the [population of] Thailand”"

Yet another person who doesn't really seem to understand 'democracy' unless it's her father's or k. Thaksin's version.

Edited November 15, 2010 by rubl

[Buchholz]

Not here, but in the quote by buchholz this interesting sentence from Ms. Khattiya:

"She maintains that “she will always strive to help the Red Shirt’s achieve democracy for the [population of] Thailand”"

Yet another person who doesn't really seem to understand 'democracy' unless it's her father's or k. Thaksin's version.

How's the political Red Shirt Party coming along that her father created to counter New Politics Party and she continues with?

Haven't heard anything about it or her since the grand announcement last September:

Seh Daeng's Daughter To Lead Political Party In Next Thai Election

Also haven't heard anything about Pheu Thai Party's reaction to it. Which one is the "true" Thaksin proxy party? Is the Khattiya Party a "fake red" party?

[Buchholz]

The next massive Red rally involving at least several dozen Reds will be this coming Friday, the 19th:

Police Brace for Red-shirt Rally

Police have invoked a riot control plan to handle Friday's red shirt rally to mark six months of the crackdown on the protests in May.

National Police Chief Police General Wichien Podposri said the Korakot 50 security plan will play a crucial role in the November 19 rally, led by the red shirt group to commemorate six months of the May crackdown on the group's anti-government protests at Ratchaprasong Intersection.

Wichien said there is still no report of possible chaos during the gathering, but police are arranging for an appropriate area for demonstrators to accommodate their activities to keep them away from blocking the roads.

The police chief added revocation of the Emergency Decree in Bangkok rests with the decision of the Center for the Resolution of Emergency Situation, but noted people are still allowed to assemble despite the law being in place.

-- Tan Network 2010-11-15

[SomTumTiger]

Red Shirt's in Bangkok commemorate the assassination of their commander

Major-General Khittaya Sawasdipol's daughter Khattiyaa was the star attraction at the "Red Shirt" UDD rally in Bangkok today. The gathering at the site next to Lumpini Park and near the Sala Daeng intersection where their "commander in chief" was assassinated by unknown forces was staged to celebrate the six-month anniversary of his murder.

Khattiyaa, the Generals daughter was treated as Royalty by the visiting protesters with many of them pushing through the crowds to get her signature on their clothing or more hopefully a photograph next to her.

She lit candles with a high order monk at the assassination site of her father and addressed the chanting crowds encouraging the "Red Shirts to come to rallies in Bangkok every second Sunday of the month" and "thanking the people here who still love my dad".

She "will pray to him asking [him to] take care of everyone here".

She maintains that "she will always strive to help the Red Shirt's achieve democracy for the [population of] Thailand."

Continues:

http://www.demotix.c...their-commander

Demotix - November 14, 2010

Drove by yesterday afternoon, on the way home from Siam Paragon. Looked to be about 200 folks there. Maybe it was early, but there were more police then protesters. Maybe Thaksin's check didn't clear yet....

Edited November 15, 2010 by SomTumTiger

[rubl]

Drove by yesterday afternoon, on the way home from Siam Paragon. Looked to be about 200 folks there. Maybe it was early, but there were more police then protesters. Maybe Thaksin's check didn't clear yet....

Maybe we're down to red-shirts living in Bangkok, or some real activists for democracy. I don't think red-shirts upcountry can afford to come down for the weekend EVERY weekend for some protesting. Some are still worrying about the rains, floods and damage to crops and land. Some may also be a wee bit bored with protesting by now.

[Piengrudee]

THAT IS NOT AN OIL TANKER. The yellow truck is a WATER TANKER used to water the roadside plant. CRES & NBT knew it, but they want the public to misunderstand.

[Piengrudee]

All I see is the Red-shirt shooting at the army, not the other way round. . . .

[Buchholz]

Police Affirm Readiness for Red-shirt Rally

The city police agency asks the red-shirt group to peacefully hold its rally to remember six months after the May protest crackdown and to end their activities early.

Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Bureau, Police Lieutenant-General Jakthip Chaijinda, said the red-shirt core elements have notified him that they will organize activities during the morning session at the Bangkok Remand Prison, where their leaders have been held since the May riots.

The group then plans to relocate to Ratchprasong Intersection to remember the crackdown on its anti-government protests.

Jakthip said he has assigned his deputy Police Major-General Kreerin Inkaew to be in charge of convincing the group to wrap up its event early and run its activities in compliance with the law.

The commissioner said that the same practice should also be applied to handling the upcoming rally by the People's Alliance for Democracy on December 11.

He also said there are still no intelligence reports about an attempt to stir chaos during the upcoming red-shirt rally and therefore his agency has no grounds about possible terror attacks or assassination attempts against important figures.

Jakthip insisted that city police are keeping a close watch on the current situation.

-- Tan Network 2010-11-17

[Buchholz]

They're expanding to include Chiang Mai now:

(November 18, 2010) This message alerts U.S. citizens in Thailand to planned demonstrations in Bangkok on November 19, and to the possibility of political demonstrations and road closures in and around Chiang Mai city from November 19-22 (the final weekend of the Loy Krathong festival).

From 8:00 am until approximately 9:00 pm on Friday, November 19, the United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD-Red Shirts) plans to hold demonstrations in various areas of Bangkok, including the Rajaprasong area (around Central World), to mark the six- month anniversary of the incident during which 89 lives were lost when the UDD occupied parts of Bangkok's central commercial zone in April and May of 2010.

The streets in all directions around Rajaprasong are expected to be filled with 10,000 to 15,000 persons, and many vehicles will be parked along Rajadamri and Ploenchit roads, snarling traffic throughout the area. Although the gatherings around Rajaprasong are scheduled to peak in the evening, we suggest avoiding that area throughout the day and

evening. It is possible that Siam Paragon will also be affected. A smaller demonstration is planned in the morning at Klong Prem Prison on Ngam Wong Wan Road.

Also, media report that supporters of the UDD plan a rally November 20 near the Royal Flora Ratchaphruek site in Mae Hia, just south of Chiang Mai city. Demonstrations at other sites in and around Chiang Mai city are possible November 19-22. In addition, Loy Krathong celebrations in Chiang Mai regularly lead to road closures and traffic delays. In particular, expect heavy traffic in the Mae Jo area November 20 for the mass release of floating lanterns, and road closures in central Chiang Mai city November 22 for the Loy Krathong parade.

We are not aware of any general, specific, or implied threat to U.S. citizens or U.S. interests throughout this period. However, even demonstrations intended to be peaceful can turn confrontational and possibly escalate into violence with little or no warning. You should avoid areas that may be targeted for demonstrations and exercise caution if within the vicinity of any demonstrations or large gatherings. You should monitor local media to keep updated with the latest information about demonstrations and areas to avoid. Although the level of violence in Bangkok and Chiang Mai subsided following the UDD protests in April and May 2010, the potential for random acts of politically-motivated violence remains. You should maintain a heightened sense of awareness, be cognizant of any unattended packages/bags in public/crowded places, and report any suspicious behavior to the nearest law enforcement personnel.

- U.S. Embassy email message / November 18, 2010

[Buchholz]

Red Leader Jatuporn met with police today to discuss tomorrow's rally. He said that they planned to be at Ratchaprason for only about an hour and.... and that the rally would be peaceful.

He did, however, caution police to be on the look out for third-hand parties who might stir up violent incidents.

.

Edited November 18, 2010 by Buchholz

[whybother]

Red Leader Jatuporn met with police today to discuss tomorrow's rally. He said that they planned to be at Ratchaprason for only about an hour and.... and that the rally would be peaceful.

He did, however, caution police to be on the look out for third-hand parties who might stir up violent incidents.

Is he talking about "fake reds"? They are the only ones that cause problems at red shirt rallies.