As The Thais Get Richer Do The Girls Get Choosier?

[Kilgore Trout]

I fail to see how you get to "choosier" from having more money/more opportunity, at least from a logical perspective. Less desperate perhaps.

You may have been her too long (maybe not) but to those who have; don't assume too much, and try to get out more

[IanForbes]

In most Asian countries there is a far wider separation between the wealthy and the poor, when you compare the average to western countries: Europe, North America, Australia or New Zealand. Japan was in a similar situation as Thailand in the 1950s. But, concentration on industrialization brought that country forward at a rapid pace... to a point where it matches the best of economies and education anywhere. Some countries seem to want to stay mired in the past.

It's going to take a long time for Thailand to reach the success of Japan. How that relates to Thai women being choosier is anyone's guess. But, I would imagine that the sons and daughters of expats here will learn the language and mix and match with the locals. I see the lack of being able to own land as a long term hindrance when it comes to a farang wanting to settle permanently in Thailand.

[F1fanatic]

In most Asian countries there is a far wider separation between the wealthy and the poor, when you compare the average to western countries: Europe, North America, Australia or New Zealand. Japan was in a similar situation as Thailand in the 1950s. But, concentration on industrialization brought that country forward at a rapid pace... to a point where it matches the best of economies and education anywhere. Some countries seem to want to stay mired in the past.

It's going to take a long time for Thailand to reach the success of Japan. How that relates to Thai women being choosier is anyone's guess. But, I would imagine that the sons and daughters of expats here will learn the language and mix and match with the locals. I see the lack of being able to own land as a long term hindrance when it comes to a farang wanting to settle permanently in Thailand.

A different topic perhaps?

[mark45y]

Well let's put it this way. If you are an ageing potbellied Lothario seeking the company of a girl half your age, why do you not think the chances are zilch in your home country, to pretty pretty high in this one.

Now. Take your time ...

What if your chances are not zilch in your home country? What if women regardless of country are attracted to money and power? What if your view is only held by a minority of small minded naive bigots? Now take your time....

Edited November 30, 2010 by mark45y

[F1fanatic]

Well let's put it this way. If you are an ageing potbellied Lothario seeking the company of a girl half your age, why do you not think the chances are zilch in your home country, to pretty pretty high in this one.

Now. Take your time ...

What if your chances are not zilch in your home country? What if women regardless of country are attracted to money and power? What if your view is only held by a minority of small minded naive bigots? Now take your time....

I keep reading this defense on TV, but have to say that where I lived (in the UK) I rarely saw an old man with a young woman....

Here, I see it all the time.

Yes, there are 'gold-diggers' out in the West, but they are a laughed about tiny minority.

[Ulysses G.]

Men marry younger women and women prefer to marry older men, in general. But is it culture, genetics or the environment that drives such a choice—and is there an optimal age difference? New research shows that, at least for the Sami people of preindustrial Finland, men should marry a woman almost 15 years their junior to maximize their chances of having the most offspring that survive. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=what-is-the-best-age-difference-for-husband-and-wife

[F1fanatic]

Men marry younger women and women prefer to marry older men, in general. But is it culture, genetics or the environment that drives such a choice—and is there an optimal age difference? New research shows that, at least for the Sami people of preindustrial Finland, men should marry a woman almost 15 years their junior to maximize their chances of having the most offspring that survive. http://www.scientifi...usband-and-wife

Carry on believing that, even though you've rarely seen it in the West .

[MSingh]

As more rural Thai women get better educations

Is there any real evidence of this or are you just saying it as it goes with your point ???

Just wondering as i haven't seen any indication at all that rural Thai Women are reciving a better education today than they did say 10 Years ago.

Has the Thai education system progressed that much then in the time you're talking about, in rural Thailand anyway ??

My step-daughter is 12 and was just about to leave school to work on the farm.

My wife left school to work on the farm at age 12.

I'm pretty sure everything is exactly the same as it was 24 years ago ..... educationally speaking.

That was the impression i was under too..

Ian, what the deal with this ??

[Ulysses G.]

Men marry younger women and women prefer to marry older men, in general. But is it culture, genetics or the environment that drives such a choice—and is there an optimal age difference? New research shows that, at least for the Sami people of preindustrial Finland, men should marry a woman almost 15 years their junior to maximize their chances of having the most offspring that survive. http://www.scientifi...usband-and-wife

Carry on believing that, even though you've rarely seen it in the West .

Nonsense, My mom was 20 years younger than my dad and very happily married. .

[F1fanatic]

Men marry younger women and women prefer to marry older men, in general. But is it culture, genetics or the environment that drives such a choice—and is there an optimal age difference? New research shows that, at least for the Sami people of preindustrial Finland, men should marry a woman almost 15 years their junior to maximize their chances of having the most offspring that survive. http://www.scientifi...usband-and-wife

Carry on believing that, even though you've rarely seen it in the West .

Nonsense, My mom was 20 years younger than my dad and very happily married. .

Yes, that's the 'norm' in the West .

[Ulysses G.]

It is not the "norm" here or there, but it is fairly common back home and very common here.

Edited November 30, 2010 by Ulysses G.

[mark45y]

Well let's put it this way. If you are an ageing potbellied Lothario seeking the company of a girl half your age, why do you not think the chances are zilch in your home country, to pretty pretty high in this one.

Now. Take your time ...

What if your chances are not zilch in your home country? What if women regardless of country are attracted to money and power? What if your view is only held by a minority of small minded naive bigots? Now take your time....

I keep reading this defense on TV, but have to say that where I lived (in the UK) I rarely saw an old man with a young woman....

Here, I see it all the time.

Yes, there are 'gold-diggers' out in the West, but they are a laughed about tiny minority.

Did you recognize the photo? Jackie Kennedy. You think a lot of people laughed at her? Did a lot of people laugh at Miss Spencer? I believe she was born in 1961 and hubby in 1948. Every woman in my mother's family married up going back 4 generations. Your mother never told you it was just as easy to fall in love with a rich man? It was OK for Kennedy or Spencer? Why are they better than the Thai rice farmers daughter. Maybe you could educate all of us?

[F1fanatic]

Well let's put it this way. If you are an ageing potbellied Lothario seeking the company of a girl half your age, why do you not think the chances are zilch in your home country, to pretty pretty high in this one.

Now. Take your time ...

What if your chances are not zilch in your home country? What if women regardless of country are attracted to money and power? What if your view is only held by a minority of small minded naive bigots? Now take your time....

I keep reading this defense on TV, but have to say that where I lived (in the UK) I rarely saw an old man with a young woman....

Here, I see it all the time.

Yes, there are 'gold-diggers' out in the West, but they are a laughed about tiny minority.

Did you recognize the photo? Jackie Kennedy. You think a lot of people laughed at her? Did a lot of people laugh at Miss Spencer? I believe she was born in 1961 and hubby in 1948. Every woman in my mother's family married up going back 4 generations. Your mother never told you it was just as easy to fall in love with a rich man? It was OK for Kennedy or Spencer? Why are they better than the Thai rice farmers daughter. Maybe you could educate all of us?

You really need me to point out that what happens with the incredibly wealthy doesn't happen amongst normal people v often?? Jackie Kennedy was 13 years younger than hubby - unusual, but where money and power are concerned it happens occasionally, even in the West - its just far more unusual.

Edited November 30, 2010 by F1fanatic

[mark45y]

Did you recognize the photo? Jackie Kennedy. You think a lot of people laughed at her? Did a lot of people laugh at Miss Spencer? I believe she was born in 1961 and hubby in 1948. Every woman in my mother's family married up going back 4 generations. Your mother never told you it was just as easy to fall in love with a rich man? It was OK for Kennedy or Spencer? Why are they better than the Thai rice farmers daughter. Maybe you could educate all of us?

You really need me to point out that what happens with the incredibly wealthy doesn't happen amongst normal people v often?? Jackie Kennedy was 13 years younger than hubby - unusual, but where money and power are concerned it happens occasionally, even in the West - its just far more unusual.

Miss Spencer and Ms Kennedy fit your description of gold-diggers. No one laughed at them. You laugh at women who marry older men with money in Thailand and in your home country.

I think you are saying if one is rich and powerful you respect them more than a normal person (you did not make fun of Diana or Jackie I don't think).

Get outside of yourself for a second and look at what you said and tell me what that says about you. Remember being in the majority is not a defense against immorality or bigotry.

[jsflynn603]

I don't know about the economics, but for years I have perused thaikisses and have noticed that all of a sudden the "desired age range" has tightened dramatically.

Four years ago it was often "any age," now it is woman's age +5 - +10 and now I often see woman's age -5-10 years. Perhaps an aftereffect of "Sex in the City?"

[sidjameson]

Great anecdotal evidence about Thaikisses.

If you earn 200 quid a week in the UK I think a woman will think very differently to if you earn 1000. Now most westerners in Thailand are living on 40,000bht a month up I would think. To a girl earning 8k that must be quite attractive. Women are attracted to success or the potential of success, the definition of which is relative to their own position and that of the available males.

I would therefore think that as their opportunities increase then so do their expectations for their partner.

[GreenSnapper]

I don't know about the economics, but for years I have perused thaikisses and have noticed that all of a sudden the "desired age range" has tightened dramatically.

Four years ago it was often "any age," now it is woman's age +5 - +10 and now I often see woman's age -5-10 years. Perhaps an aftereffect of "Sex in the City?"

Don't take serious what women say, take serious what women do. This is a general rule, as women are highly emotional and their emotions can change in minutes.

When I did internet dating, I was often approached by women 20+ years younger than me. And when I checked their profiles, they would allegedly never go for a man in my age.

Therefore, just don't take it serious.

[GuestHouse]

Marky is entirely right - Women are indeed attracted to money and power (a lot of men are too).

But whenever the list of younger women married to rich and famous men is posted you don't seen many of these rich men who have married semi litterate farm girls, likewise they don't hang around outside of their local 7/11 waiting for their young beauty to get off shift.

Having more money than a tenant rice farmer or a Thai factory worker might make you an 'option' for their daughter - but don't kid yourself - it doesn't make you Rod Stewart.

[bonobo]

Marky is entirely right - Women are indeed attracted to money and power (a lot of men are too).

But whenever the list of younger women married to rich and famous men is posted you don't seen many of these rich men who have married semi litterate farm girls, likewise they don't hang around outside of their local 7/11 waiting for their young beauty to get off shift.

Having more money than a tenant rice farmer or a Thai factory worker might make you an 'option' for their daughter - but don't kid yourself - it doesn't make you Rod Stewart.

Well, Anna Nicole Smith was pretty much the American equivalent to the"semi-illiterate farm girl," as you so put it.

The extremely wealthy have more choices when fishing from the pool of men and women who gravitate towards money and power. So yes, the billionaires of the world might be more likely to choose a well-educated partner, but that is not a certified fact. People have all sorts of tastes.

And of course, it really goes without saying that if a Thai factory worker is so inclined on choosing a partner based on finances, then it won't take the same magnitude of finances to attract said factory worker than a, say German technician who also is attracted to more wealth.

[mark45y]

Marky is entirely right - Women are indeed attracted to money and power (a lot of men are too).

But whenever the list of younger women married to rich and famous men is posted you don't seen many of these rich men who have married semi litterate farm girls, likewise they don't hang around outside of their local 7/11 waiting for their young beauty to get off shift.

Having more money than a tenant rice farmer or a Thai factory worker might make you an 'option' for their daughter - but don't kid yourself - it doesn't make you Rod Stewart.

The moral of the story is the same. If one gets upset at seeing older men with younger women it should make no difference if the man is rich or poor. If Rod Stewart is bopping some teeny then why not Rod Schmuckannski from Pattaya? The only possible difference is one is impressed with Stewart's money.

Personally I am little impressed with the rich and famous. Maybe even the reverse. I get a kick out of Bernie in jail.

To say that a woman is with any man for love always leaves me wondering. Patsy's right women are like cats. Don't feed them and see how much they purrrr.

If Anna Nicole Smith is brighter than a semi literate farm girl or 7/11 worker I have not seen evidence of it. I think you will find a long list of rich men who marry semi literate bimbos. They are not getting married for the conversation so I hear. As a young man I worked for the restaurant division of Playboy clubs in Chicago. Talk about dummies! The tips those semi litter young women raked in were nothing short of incredible. Rich guys, (the Playboy club was not cheap seats) women who could barely find the toilet unescorted, that was the Chicago Playboy club.

[GuestHouse]

Some how I knew you'd have a story Marky

[mark45y]

Some how I knew you'd have a story Marky

And I didn't even mention Bunny Felice, the dumbest cocktail waitress in the world. I don't think it is really on topic except to mention there are not rice farmers in Thailand that are as dumb as Bunny Felice.

[saraburioz]

As more rural Thai women get better educations

Is there any real evidence of this or are you just saying it as it goes with your point ???

Just wondering as i haven't seen any indication at all that rural Thai Women are reciving a better education today than they did say 10 Years ago.

Has the Thai education system progressed that much then in the time you're talking about, in rural Thailand anyway ??

My step-daughter is 12 and was just about to leave school to work on the farm.

My wife left school to work on the farm at age 12.

I'm pretty sure everything is exactly the same as it was 24 years ago ..... educationally speaking.

Can't you help her?

[dmax]

ive never been knocked back untill recently, im not a bad lookin guy either , years ago i never ever got a knock back

[IanForbes]

ive never been knocked back untill recently, im not a bad lookin guy either , years ago i never ever got a knock back

It happens to all of us in time. You have to lower your expectations and choose your subjects more carefully. Besides that, you can substitute quality for quantity... or visa versa depending on your choice and ability.

[elliss]

divorce rate on the rise means lots of ‘refurbished’ models flooding onto the market.

correct ,

they are many attractive refurbished models available ,

either they have dumped the old fart farang ,

or he has popped his clogs even better , pensions etc .

these born again models, are often a good investment ,

as many of them own a house , car etc .

and last but by no means least ,

are still within their F.B.DATE . LOL :jap: :jap:

[CarlBkk]

The only change I see is this:

10-15 years ago foreigners were a novelty and even Mr Average was considered Mr Celeb and eligible by the non-English speaking girls.

Now we're part of the furniture. Isan is full of us buying up houses and allowing our wife to be envied with her tacky gold and new car. In the cities we're still eligible for another reason....as girls are becoming more open-minded, independant and westernised, they're very much open to Western relationships. Definitely seen an increase in that.

Are girls becoming choosier? They are with Western men because every year there are more of us to choose from. For those who go for Thai men, no. Female to Male ratio is still as high as it was which is why if the girl isn't a real khun noo she'll be quite content with the safe fat geek from the office despite appearing to be 4 leagues up. As the Thai guys/girls get richer they keep it in their own group where money and snobbery rules who you date. If you're a goodlooking rich Thai guy you're able to play around until your nob falls off without ever coming across a natural, independant, intelligent and down-to-earth lady. It's a cruel world.

[chops]

I've thought about something. If I were to become flat broke tomorrow and out sleeping on the concrete, would girls still be interested in me...?

Thinking long and hard, I gotta say no...

[LarrySilverstein]

I've thought about something. If I were to become flat broke tomorrow and out sleeping on the concrete, would girls still be interested in me...?

Thinking long and hard, I gotta say no...

Thats the same in every country... not just in thailand.

[MSingh]

I've thought about something. If I were to become flat broke tomorrow and out sleeping on the concrete, would girls still be interested in me...?

Thinking long and hard, I gotta say no...

Thats the same in every country... not just in thailand.

Yep, Brasses are the same throughout the World.