Thai woman kills self during Internet broadcast in front of boyfriend, others

[Scout666]

I do have, but I doubt you would care or understand. Hence, my subjective opinion is no point in sharing on a public site [want me to name names?], just that any categorical denial that anyone might be worth killing yourself over isn't shared by a lot of people.

No, I don't want you to name names, but it would be nice if you could provide some general examples. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and I'm fine with that. But I haven't yet been able to come up with any examples myself. I genuinely want to know what type of people you have in mind, rather than just being told that you disagree with me.

I think that if you want a [for you] tangible example then you have positioned yourself in a state where you will never understand the point.

Just accept that not everyone agrees.

... or just accept, that you are unable to to provide a "general example"?

Fair enough however, your words; "you have positioned yourself in a state where you will never understand the point." are a tad condescending though, don't you think? I too was hoping that I would be enlightened. Seriously my fellow poster.

[TAWP]

You either understand that others can feel this or you don't. To ask for examples is rather odd; I am sure one can think of some themselves - or not think of any example that makes one understand and therefor another persons example will not matter. It's not like we are sharing the meaning of life or the question in-front of 42.

Feelings aren't logical or fact-based nor easily shared.

[metisdead]

This is an endless debate, nobody will ever agree with everybody on any given topic in life. Let's let it rest and move along please.

[smileplur]

For the love of all things good in this world, can you people please stop disgracing the memory of this girl. She was a kind girl. She was easy on the eyes, and she certainly had the Thai charm that many have forgotten in their time here. She was involved with some things that were over her head. That's it. Really. There isn't any need for endless banter about the girl. She is dead.

The reality of the situation is that this a seriously sad event. The comments espoused by some members of this forum are quite shocking actually. With a blatant disregard for human life and respect for others, some of you tout a hard line that isn't easy for a person like me to swallow. Suicide is a selfish act. However, there are reasons for it. We have all had hard times. The initial feeling is one of guilt. If I had been a better friend, could I have prevented this? If I had just kept in touch ....

[IMA_FARANG]

Sad news.

In 1966, my first year in Vietnam, a Vietnamese/Chinese woman who worked for the U.S. Army in an office I was assigned to, commited suicde when her U.S. boyfriend jilted her in what was then Saigon. She worked as a translator and secretary for the Army, and believed this guy was serious about marrying her. She was well-educated, and her family well off. When her family found out that she had slept with this U.S. Army guy, they kicked her out of the house.

About a week later she showed up at the office, asking to see her old boyfriend. The security gaurd called the boyfriend, and as he walked out the girl pulled out a gun, put it up to her head, and pulled the trigger. It was pretty messy.

The whole year I was there, the secretarys were escorted to work and then escorted home. We never got a chance to talk to them...in fact if we did we were warned never to try to talk to them again unless it had to do with work.

[ChiangMaiFun]

very, very sad... as someone once said 'a final solution to a temporary problem' RIP

[robertson468]

So Sad indeed

It's hard to image what they must go through mentally and emotionally to get to do something so drastic.

For the majority of us, suicide is difficult to comprehend, however I understand some of the major emotions involved in suicide cases are a feeling of very low worth, deep, deep depression and an inability to see beyond the present issue(s) involved.

I am sure, like most members of the forum, we are intrigued to know what led to the Lady's very sad and early end. Inquisitiveness being very much the nature of the human, but I have the utmost respect for the Gentleman who respecting the memory of the poor Girl has quite rightly decided not to tell. My condolences on your loss and respect for protecting the memory of a fellow human being.

[auserb]

This kind of suicide is pretty common in Japan. If you live there, you will realize it is just a regular news report

Wow?? thanks for telling. I was not sure about the fan who was falling in love with Jackie Chan. She found out that Mr. Chan is married then she killed herself so the producer and production company wowed not to tell and the girl was from Japan. I overheard about 3 Japanese Fans killed themselves over this Star. and not sure is it true? or it is promotion for the Movies. Feel free to inject my opinion. Thanks.

Yeah but she is Thai girl, not Japanese. This is very uncomon for Thai girls to do such a horible thing

[Gers1873]

For the love of all things good in this world, can you people please stop disgracing the memory of this girl. She was a kind girl. She was easy on the eyes, and she certainly had the Thai charm that many have forgotten in their time here. She was involved with some things that were over her head. That's it. Really. There isn't any need for endless banter about the girl. She is dead.

The reality of the situation is that this a seriously sad event. The comments espoused by some members of this forum are quite shocking actually. With a blatant disregard for human life and respect for others, some of you tout a hard line that isn't easy for a person like me to swallow. Suicide is a selfish act. However, there are reasons for it. We have all had hard times. The initial feeling is one of guilt. If I had been a better friend, could I have prevented this? If I had just kept in touch ....

For someone not wanting to 'dishonor the girls memory' you seem to want to keep talking on the subject. You sound like one f these people you meet in Pattaya ---"I was in the CIA/MOSSAD/MI5/KGB" (delete as appropriate) but I cant talk about it." . The girl is dead - she opted for the 'easy way out?' --- I feel really sorry for her family who will always be asking WHY? Could I have prevented this? All very sad.

[Lesnw63]

So sad. No man is worth killing yourself over. (Or no woman, for that matter)

Death never solves anything. But in any event, may she rest in peace. A truly sad story in deed.

Unfortunately, some people see their lives as so bad that death actually solves everything.

No more misery of broken relationships, worrying about where your next meal is coming from, and lets not forget that many Thai ladies are skint, go to work in large cities for money for their families and end up in the sex trade - as a close female friend of mine told me this very weekend - when its a choice of 14 hours back breaking work in a rice field for food money, or nipping to the big city to make cash from foreign male visitors, the second distasteful choice is often their course and this obviously leads to low self esteem, hidden of course by a beautifull smile. I actually felt very guilty and sad this weekend that I could not give my friend more financial assistance. Sad world we live in.

I make no comment on the sad case of the post. However, the rigours of rural life are somewhat exaggerated here. There aren't 14 hours of daylight in which to do the back breaking work and the work in the rice fields largely consists of two short bursts of a about two weeks each for planting and harvesting. Today the harvesting is increasingly mechanised and no longer requires much labour, if the rice has been well planted and weeds have been avoided, so that a mechanical harvester can be used. The problem is not the work but that the inefficient system of small holdings that was encouraged by the government in the 60s and 70s as a bullwark against communism makes farming not very profitable. Most farmers are now in their 50s and 60s and don't even want their kids to hang around in the village and become farmers, as there isn't enough for them do with the greater mechanisation. Even through rural schools are still much worse than urban ones, access to education has improved considerably and many farmers' sons and daughters have bachelors degrees and decent jobs in the cities. A handful of well educated and enterprising rural girls opt for a career in the oldest profession but most Thai hookers are girls who failed to make the most of the educational opportunities available to them and didn't want to do a hard unskilled job in the city (not in the countryside where they are not wanted). They have taken the line of least resistance and easy money which explains why they usually make poor wives for the foreigners imprudent enough to tie the knot with them. Meanwhile, Thailand has to import over a million unskilled labourers to do the jobs that Thai high school drop outs are unwilling to do.

Thanks for all your facts? and figures, with the amount of empathy you have for others, im lucky not knowing you.

[smileplur]

For the love of all things good in this world, can you people please stop disgracing the memory of this girl. She was a kind girl. She was easy on the eyes, and she certainly had the Thai charm that many have forgotten in their time here. She was involved with some things that were over her head. That's it. Really. There isn't any need for endless banter about the girl. She is dead.

The reality of the situation is that this a seriously sad event. The comments espoused by some members of this forum are quite shocking actually. With a blatant disregard for human life and respect for others, some of you tout a hard line that isn't easy for a person like me to swallow. Suicide is a selfish act. However, there are reasons for it. We have all had hard times. The initial feeling is one of guilt. If I had been a better friend, could I have prevented this? If I had just kept in touch ....

For someone not wanting to 'dishonor the girls memory' you seem to want to keep talking on the subject. You sound like one f these people you meet in Pattaya ---"I was in the CIA/MOSSAD/MI5/KGB" (delete as appropriate) but I cant talk about it." . The girl is dead - she opted for the 'easy way out?' --- I feel really sorry for her family who will always be asking WHY? Could I have prevented this? All very sad.

You are a perfect example of why I don't frequent this forum. I know the sorts of people you are speaking of, but I am not one of them. Pattaya isn't my cup of tea. Anyway, I am done with this conversation and ending my association with this thread.

[templedog]

Of course who knows what motivated this girl to do what she did, and of course it happens all over the world, but I can't help but blame society a little bit.

I know exactly why she did what she did, but I will not dishonor her memory by providing details here.

Well, I agree that no one should "dishonor her memory"?? Whatever that means.

But simply provoking our curiosity by telling us you "know exactly why she did what she did"

is unnecessary. That, in my humble opinion, is a bit of dishonor. I mean, what are you saying?

That you know something we don't? How does that help or communicate anything to this post

except the probable interpretation that you are proud of yourself to have some inside info.........weak.

[Gers1873]

For the love of all things good in this world, can you people please stop disgracing the memory of this girl. She was a kind girl. She was easy on the eyes, and she certainly had the Thai charm that many have forgotten in their time here. She was involved with some things that were over her head. That's it. Really. There isn't any need for endless banter about the girl. She is dead.

The reality of the situation is that this a seriously sad event. The comments espoused by some members of this forum are quite shocking actually. With a blatant disregard for human life and respect for others, some of you tout a hard line that isn't easy for a person like me to swallow. Suicide is a selfish act. However, there are reasons for it. We have all had hard times. The initial feeling is one of guilt. If I had been a better friend, could I have prevented this? If I had just kept in touch ....

For someone not wanting to 'dishonor the girls memory' you seem to want to keep talking on the subject. You sound like one f these people you meet in Pattaya ---"I was in the CIA/MOSSAD/MI5/KGB" (delete as appropriate) but I cant talk about it." . The girl is dead - she opted for the 'easy way out?' --- I feel really sorry for her family who will always be asking WHY? Could I have prevented this? All very sad.

You are a perfect example of why I don't frequent this forum.

A man of many contradictions??

[Berkshire]

I'm amazed that people are trying to explain something that is unexplainable. Suicide is one of those things that crosses all socioeconomic, racial, sexual, etc., lines. It's completely unpredictable. Some people are more prone to it than others, certainly, and it usually relates to certain mental disorders such as depression. But people have their hearts broken all the time and don't commit suicide. It's sad and I'm sure that if the deceased had survived the attempt, she would have realized that she made a mistake. But unfortunately, this is one mistake that you only get to do once.

[cutejeab]

So sad. No man is worth killing yourself over. (Or no woman, for that matter)

I agreed, love is good and bad at the same time!:jap:

Edited December 6, 2010 by cutejeab

[Sabre]

Worth dying for:

Stopping a bullet for a Head of State as a paid loyal bodyguard.

Throwing one's self in front of an oncoming truck to push a child to safety.

Providing covering fire for retreating comrades when you are mortally wounded.

These are acts of 'good deeds' and/or loyalty to save others.

TAWP's refuting that no-one is worth killing yourself over... is beyond me but that does mean that I am wrong or insensitive - it could just be that I have never felt that emotion. Indeed, I hope that I never do because it it must be incredibly traumatic to all concerned.

Condolances to all that suffer as a result of this tragedy.

Those may be noble acts, but I was referring to taking your own life through committing suicide. You listed situations/people "worth dying for." That is very different than "worth killing yourself over," or "worth committing suicide over." To me, those things you listed wouldn't be considered suicide.....you don't know for sure that you're going to die in all of those situations, and you probably don't choose/plan to do those things because of great despair in your own life. Are there people worth dying for? Sure, of course, and there are people in my life I would like to think that I would die for. But so far, I still can't think of anyone worth intentionally killing yourself over (via suicide).

Alas, you are missing the point and thus preaching to the choir because my reply was ommitted from your quotes. Please see post number 39. (I've bitten also! 'Worth dying for' is one thing - however, worth killing yourself over?) If you read the post in full, I am sure that you will agree that we agree. Hopefully.

I think the key to understanding this little argument is that somebody has misunderstood the word 'refute'.

You're on the same side boys.

[theanimaster]

That just sucks. Part of committing suicide is failing to realise the potential of oneself out in the greater world.

Too many people in this country fail to realize that there is a bigger world out there and Thailand is just a very small part of that bigger world.

I once was thinking of ending it all at one stage -- when my gf broke up w me in 1st year uni. Fortunately the few friends I had (real, live friends, not online ones either) talked me out of it and put my noggin back on track -- basically it boiled down to this: there are people who deal with worse shit in their lives. I was given the good cards. Why the fuc_k would I want to throw it all away over a stupid relationship?

And then later, my bro let me in on something. Something people depressed from relationships should realise in any crowd: look around. There are at least 10 people you see who you have a 90% chance of hooking up with and having a good experience with. In any crowd. Total strangers.

Too bad. If only that girl had someone dependable to talk to. If only she could have gotten through it all. A few years from now she could have looked back and thought how silly it all was. That it turns out, it wasn't worth taking her life over.

[needforspeed]

There is nothing worth suicide. Very sad.

Not in a emotion related to a relationlike her, sad indeed.

There are people who in a situation that they would like to commit suicide but they can't, other around not allowed to help.

Sadly sometimes it is worth to end a life.

[Sabre]

I think there may be some cultural/religious influences at work here also. Buddhists believe in reincarnation. Therefore if this life isn't working out for you, just pull the plug and try again next round. It's a crude way of putting it, I know, but you get the point. I think suicide is bad karma, though, so you would suffer a demotion in status, maybe coming back as an animal or something, of if you are a man, you might come back as a woman.

[dude007]

Sadly, I knew this woman. There is more to the story than meets the eye. Unfortunately, I haven't been in touch with her for a while. I am deeply saddened by this. I saw the report in Thai before it came here. It is a tragic story.

Could you enlighten the forum with some more details as you knew the victim? Thanks, but if you feel uneasy with this, it's OK for us. I am personally shocked by such sad news!

[Arkady]

I think there may be some cultural/religious influences at work here also. Buddhists believe in reincarnation. Therefore if this life isn't working out for you, just pull the plug and try again next round. It's a crude way of putting it, I know, but you get the point. I think suicide is bad karma, though, so you would suffer a demotion in status, maybe coming back as an animal or something, of if you are a man, you might come back as a woman.

Do the same cultural and religious factors influence the excessively high murder rate in Thailand too? If some one else's life is not working out for you or their demise would be financially beneficial, just whack 'em and do a few Hail Maries at the temple. No need to even feel bad about the victim's future prospects, since the early demise was involuntary.

[uncletom]

Sad for sure, but sounds as if we are let to think many things as for why she did it. Like for one allowing many people of her choice to view looks as if it is a, “ This will fix you” or “How do you like that!’,

Or Perhaps,

could be she was too sad in her life and was truly jilted, tried to reason and talk it over for the last time and but just couldn’t, and snapped..

smileplur think realistically.

Yes, it would be nice to know a little bit of the reasoning behind it. Perhaps knowing a little bit from one who knows, will one day enable one of TV’s members to help someone from doing the same harsh thing.

Now only her loved ones are the one’s hurting, she is gone!

Help make a good from m a bad thing.

Nothing morbid or no ill intentions, so think about it.

Over her head????? God rest her soul!

uncletom

[kennalder]

Of course who knows what motivated this girl to do what she did, and of course it happens all over the world, but I can't help but blame society a little bit.

I know exactly why she did what she did, but I will not dishonor her memory by providing details here.

Well, I agree that no one should "dishonor her memory"?? Whatever that means.

But simply provoking our curiosity by telling us you "know exactly why she did what she did"

is unnecessary. That, in my humble opinion, is a bit of dishonor. I mean, what are you saying?

That you know something we don't? How does that help or communicate anything to this post

except the probable interpretation that you are proud of yourself to have some inside info.........weak.

Yes, I agree. You want to let everyone dangle in the wind, while you sit back holding the cards. Really you should have said nothing.

Also don't forget, when the poor girl chose to do this over the internet, privacy and honor were thrown out the door.

If you have incriminating evidence, you should present it.

However, you did state you had not been in touch with her in quite a while, so perhaps there are more facts that not even you are aware of.

[apollo13]

It'd be nice to see members express opinions without feeling the need to trade insults and accusations. Extremely tedious .

[Thongkorn]

I have been in a dark place , thinking the same , the only way out is Death , It is a hard thing to do, not easy or a cowards way out, Nobody knows what was going through her mind, Its Just sad that some one kills them selfs when somewhere somebody would love them better, R I P,

[neverdie]

Suicide is a Permanent answer to a temporary problem. RIP.

[cowboydog]

So Sad indeed

It's hard to image what they must go through mentally and emotionally to get to do something so drastic.

maybe she was a loaded gun just waiting to happen.

[tropo]

Ouch! Thats pretty harsh isn't it? News can be interpreted in many different ways, the emergence of the internet as a communication medium, loneliness and depression forcing individuals to live their life through a webcam, the perils of online dating etc etc. Personally I think its extremely sad but she was probably going to do it anyway, webcam or not, botfriend or not, breakup or not. Suicide is the end game of severe depression and unless the underlying causes of that depression are identified and addressed the victim will normally find a way to carry it out. Still classifies as news however, simply for the "voyueristic" aspect.

At last, a sensible reply.

Edited December 6, 2010 by tropo

[koto]

I believe that anyone who is committed in a relationship should not be able to opt-out for reasons not considered reasonable or justified. If she or he does, then he/she should not be allowed to have a relationship with anyone again. Breaking the heart of another is a serious crime against another and usually causes irreparable damage. This is what a girl by the name of*(name deleted)*from Pra Nakhon si, Ayutthaya did to me; she-devil that now is abroad spreading her vile persona....better for her that I never see her anywhere again, she won't be able to stand again.

WOW! Sounds like it's about time you get over yourself, there is such a thing as growing apart, or only one, loving the other, not liking ones habits, after one gets to know one, mirror, mirror on the wall, calling her a she-devil and adding threats is not the wisest move, I ever heard, sure hope nothing bad happen to her, you would probably be a prime suspect, learning curves, growing up, moving on, forgiving ones self and others, settle in the past, engage in the now, ending of a relationship does hurt, but should not ever be the end of the world, sound like a tad on counseling would not hurt.

[iforget]

A tragedy and my heart goes out to her friends and family.

Not to take anything away from this horrible event, but anyone else think it's inappropriate to have that sad story followed by a advertisement for internet dating??!?!

I mean really. I wouldn't want a add for my dating website to follow that story.

Agree. Very inappropriate juxtaposition.