Spirits Of Thailand

[surayu]

A recent thread about a thai spirit house, bringed up some question that needs all the savvy of TV for some pure enlightment, so lets start. Some times ago, a poor little thai man went to one of the miriads of thai temples around his area, to ask general advices, something a bit like going to a fortune teller as he wasn't having any specific issue or problem to solve at that time, it seems the monk he was talking with, suggested him to demolish the house he was living in as the spirits otherways would bring bad luck to him, this was his only possession of some relative value, together with the land, the wat very gently offered to recover everything it was possible to take out from the demolition, like doors, windows and any other thing that could be reused somehow and are still visible in the temple area right now, the lucky man was now relieved after the liberatory chant and been told this was the willing of his deceased parents too, he's now without a home and vacate from an house and the other of relatives/friends. Now i am not religious and not thai, so it's a bit confusing for me sometime to get into their mindset, for example, i would have tought that if his parents could express their opinion, if they were really loving their son then they would have been happy for him to have a home? Also thai believe in reincarnation, so when you die then you reincarnate in something new, like a dog, a tree or perhaps a Mercedes, then my question is, from where are all these spirits around coming from??? every places seems to be infested and they build up those spirit's house for them, they regularly cross roads and get into the trees as well, if the thai spirits are reincarnating then these are perhaps foreigner spirits?? what about immigration? time for a new crackdown indeed :jap:

[Kwasaki]

The Buddhist religion and deep rooted beliefs of many Thai could never be crackdown on, the spirits in question are in transition and have not found something or been offered what they would like to be yet. maybe they they get three chances and out, until there asked again. as for foreigners if they had become Buddhist before they died maybe you have a point or there spirit cannot find where to post the 90 day notice in the spirit world.

Unless Monk teachings are brought up to date in some way maybe the lost of a house could be avoided but the spirits will always remain.:jap:

[canuckamuck]

The only thing this story has to do with Buddhism is that it was A Buddhist monk that fooled a poor man into ruining his house.

[prefabs]

World Record Claim????? 165 words in the second sentence, but still made sense.

Gist of it is The poor man got f*cked over by a monk

[F1fanatic]

World Record Claim????? 165 words in the second sentence, but still made sense.

Gist of it is The poor man got f*cked over by a monk

But WHY????

Why on earth would a monk destroy everything a poor person has that way?

[luckizuchinni]

World Record Claim????? 165 words in the second sentence, but still made sense.

Gist of it is The poor man got f*cked over by a monk

But WHY????

Why on earth would a monk destroy everything a poor person has that way?

Maybe the monk believed it? I don't know.

About three years ago, a couple in Singapore went to a fortune teller and were told that they had to sacrifice a virgin if they wanted their business to succeed. The couple bought a new dress and used it to lure their 7-year-old neighbor girl into their house were they promptly killed her.

The couple, the wife's brother, and the fortune teller were all arrested. Now the business couple and the brother had a motivation to kill the girl, albeit a messed up one. They wanted better business. But the fortune teller got nothing in addition to the telling fee, no more. So what was the motivation for the teller to instruct the couple to kill the girl? True belief in the teller's fortune ability? Getting off on having power to make people do horrible things? Who knows?

[F1fanatic]

World Record Claim????? 165 words in the second sentence, but still made sense.

Gist of it is The poor man got f*cked over by a monk

But WHY????

Why on earth would a monk destroy everything a poor person has that way?

Maybe the monk believed it? I don't know.

About three years ago, a couple in Singapore went to a fortune teller and were told that they had to sacrifice a virgin if they wanted their business to succeed. The couple bought a new dress and used it to lure their 7-year-old neighbor girl into their house were they promptly killed her.

The couple, the wife's brother, and the fortune teller were all arrested. Now the business couple and the brother had a motivation to kill the girl, albeit a messed up one. They wanted better business. But the fortune teller got nothing in addition to the telling fee, no more. So what was the motivation for the teller to instruct the couple to kill the girl? True belief in the teller's fortune ability? Getting off on having power to make people do horrible things? Who knows?

Presumably the fortune teller was a psychopath.

Be that as it may, the parents were worse! They were willing to kill their daughter to it improve their business??!

[surayu]

Well, let's try to analize it from their prospective (just a try), we all know on how our daily life can be affected in a bad way by events involving our material possession, so maybe the mentor thought the little man was disturbed by something coming out from an object, in this case the house were he was brought up, could have been bad memories, a water pipe spilling water drops on his forehead all night long or perhaps just one or more of those spirits pestering him, but by bringing all those recyclable object inside the wat, wouldn't that bring the bad luck there? in the mean time i also would like to add that the daily life of the man in question unfortunately deteriorated even worse, as by prolonging his presence into friends/relatives premises made them kind of, how can i say it? irrequiets and less patients towards him? I guess next step might be to get rid of the land as well, as i understood spirits can stay there even without a house and if even that wouldn't fix it, i have a very sad feeling that his mentors would just turn him away in the end, as nothing else to be "disinspirited" away it's available, wait, actually he got one of those old motocy rusting away that still works somehow, maybe the spirit is in the E91.

[F1fanatic]

Well, let's try to analize it from their prospective (just a try), we all know on how our daily life can be affected in a bad way by events involving our material possession, so maybe the mentor thought the little man was disturbed by something coming out from an object, in this case the house were he was brought up, could have been bad memories, a water pipe spilling water drops on his forehead all night long or perhaps just one or more of those spirits pestering him, but by bringing all those recyclable object inside the wat, wouldn't that bring the bad luck there? in the mean time i also would like to add that the daily life of the man in question unfortunately deteriorated even worse, as by prolonging his presence into friends/relatives premises made them kind of, how can i say it? irrequiets and less patients towards him? I guess next step might be to get rid of the land as well, as i understood spirits can stay there even without a house and if even that wouldn't fix it, i have a very sad feeling that his mentors would just turn him away in the end, as nothing else to be "disinspirited" away it's available, wait, actually he got one of those old motocy rusting away that still works somehow, maybe the spirit is in the E91.

If you would try paragraphs every now and again it would make your posts a lot easier to read.

I realise that English is not your first language, but paragraphs are not hard to master.

Anyway, so the man in question had lots of actual problems in his house that could have been fixed. But a monk told him the house needed to be destroyed.....

Meanwhile the poor man had personal problems so of course - the first thing to do is blame the house!

[surayu]

the spirits in question are in transition and have not found something or been offered what they would like to be yet. maybe they they get three chances and out, until there asked again.

Thanks Kwasaki, that's a very interesting point indeed, so if a spirit refuse to reincarnate in something he/she doesn't like, then they are stranded in the spirit world until next turn, is organized a bit like job-seekers getting the government allowance in the western world don't you think? they get free money from the State but would loose that privilege if they refuse to take up a job that match their skills when it arise....are we totally sure here in Thailand there isn't a more "thai-style" approach to it? just a guess. IMO probably the many so called "minor females" or "women of second degree" whatever else official definition you want to call them, might be just that, a female spirit trapped in a man body which has been evicted by the spirit world, the X-Factor of the parallel world.

[rics21]

Buddhism has nothing to do with fortune telling, and stuff like that.

try going to udon thani, Wat Pa Baan Taad. and visit luang ta maha bua, read about teachings of buddhism and learn that is has nothing to do with the fortune telling, black magic and many of the traditional Thai beliefs.

http://www.luangta.com/English/Index.html

[surayu]

If you would try paragraphs every now and again it would make your posts a lot easier to read.

I agree

My apologies

I can't help with that

As i believe i am suffering from one of those not yet proclaimed tropical diseases......

.....the "kikkiatness"

:jap:

[Heng]

On the other hand, if the majority of folks didn't believe in organized religion, spirits, etc., and if everyone got off of the rears because they knew that there was nothing else affecting their destiny other than their own actions, the country and the rest of the planet for that matter would probably run out of natural resources a LOT faster. More people 'doing' instead of 'wishing' and waiting for the afterlife.

Let'em believe what they want. If they would rather light incense and candles instead of opening pharmacies, pawn shops, export/import operations, and construction firms than feel free to have at it.

[Caliguy]

I think everyone should call it "Thai Buddhism" as it is a different ballgame.

[Thongkorn]

Not all monks are good , some have Ulterior motives ,Maybe Some Monks are reincarnation of bad spirits. I have seen some true stores of monks who have been married . stole money, Even been working with gangs to embezzle money from rich people who have problems.. But like every thing every where , some good some bad. Just look at the catholic faith and the pope.

[luckizuchinni]

World Record Claim????? 165 words in the second sentence, but still made sense.

Gist of it is The poor man got f*cked over by a monk

But WHY????

Why on earth would a monk destroy everything a poor person has that way?

Maybe the monk believed it? I don't know.

About three years ago, a couple in Singapore went to a fortune teller and were told that they had to sacrifice a virgin if they wanted their business to succeed. The couple bought a new dress and used it to lure their 7-year-old neighbor girl into their house were they promptly killed her.

The couple, the wife's brother, and the fortune teller were all arrested. Now the business couple and the brother had a motivation to kill the girl, albeit a messed up one. They wanted better business. But the fortune teller got nothing in addition to the telling fee, no more. So what was the motivation for the teller to instruct the couple to kill the girl? True belief in the teller's fortune ability? Getting off on having power to make people do horrible things? Who knows?

Presumably the fortune teller was a psychopath.

Be that as it may, the parents were worse! They were willing to kill their daughter to it improve their business??!

Actually, they murdered their neighbor, not their own daughter. Be that as it may, it boggles the mind that people in a purportedly modern country can not only believe that kind of claptrap, but act on it to the point of murdering a young girl.

[F1fanatic]

My mistake, and I apologise. But as you say, it is still inconceivable!

[Tonto21]

World Record Claim????? 165 words in the second sentence, but still made sense.

Gist of it is The poor man got f*cked over by a monk

But WHY????

Why on earth would a monk destroy everything a poor person has that way?

Why????

Different folks different strokes! Some people are nice some people are ass-holes, regardless of position, colour, religion or nationality. IMHO, what played out here was some guy, (monk) in a position of power, He's probably never had, or will have again, (when he's no longer a monk) the power to get someone to do what he says. Lets face, what's power unless you use it?

I don't think this is confined to Thailand, it happens all over the world, but is more prevalent where education is poor. What's that saying;"give a poor-per a horse, and he'll ride it to hell"

Not wishing to pick on Thailand,but it's has some good examples. Take a look around, you should be able to see this abuse of power being played out every day.

[surayu]

Buddhism has nothing to do with fortune telling, and stuff like that.

try going to udon thani, Wat Pa Baan Taad. and visit luang ta maha bua, read about teachings of buddhism and learn that is has nothing to do with the fortune telling, black magic and many of the traditional Thai beliefs.

http://www.luangta.c...lish/Index.html

Thanks Rics21, yes i admit my ignorance on the subject and that's what prompt me to ask for some specific questions here, where i know many members are either actively into it and/or have a deeper understanding of it, i would love to spend more time educating myself on this but the reality is that if i would start to learn everything about what i find of some interest, not even the 9 lifes of my neighbour cat would suffice, so better to just be more selective and target more specific issues rather then the whole subjects, to make an example of this, think about an average Bob building his own home and having a small technical problem, i am sure he would prefere a civil engineer to address the specific problem straight away rather then be told to follow a PhD in civil engineering, of which surely he would get many benefits from, but.......you know what i mean? :jap:

[surayu]

On the other hand, if the majority of folks didn't believe in organized religion, spirits, etc., and if everyone got off of the rears because they knew that there was nothing else affecting their destiny other than their own actions, the country and the rest of the planet for that matter would probably run out of natural resources a LOT faster. More people 'doing' instead of 'wishing' and waiting for the afterlife.

Let'em believe what they want. If they would rather light incense and candles instead of opening pharmacies, pawn shops, export/import operations, and construction firms than feel free to have at it.

Yes i recognize the importance of popular beliefs for the masses, even if i am not a follower of any of those i would rather prefere to see people joining in a church and organising trips to Medjugorje instead of creating gangs and start delimiting their territories were they feel free to do any sort of abuse to locals or just passers by, however, it should be time for people to start to extrapolate the "goods" from every beliefs and just skin off what is not necessary or even damaging, in an ideal world police should be more then enough to ensure the rights of all are applied, actually in a real ideal world the police shouldn't be necessary at all, a bit hard to achieve given the present status of the force, however the time is passing by, one day perhaps mentors would act by protecting the interest of those needing their help.....