rubl Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 This evening's highlights: Thaksin's phone-in at 7.30, end of red rally (expected) at 8 and 8.30 ManUtd vs Liverpool kick-off /via@veen_NT That's why there are so many red shirts out today. They're on their way out to watch the football and got caught up in the fracas. I'm afraid that whoever is still at Ratchaprasong at this moment might miss the begin of the match, ManU vs Liverpool that is. Does this mean that most red-shirts present stay / live / work in Bangkok, or just not ManU or football supporters ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 red shirts build up speakers and a little stage but they still plan to leave around 8pm via @vaitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted January 9, 2011 Author Share Posted January 9, 2011 AFP: 30,000 Thai 'Red Shirts' rally in Bangkok: police Follow this link: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanuman1 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 ID of the foreigner wearing a red shirt is welcome. Why, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdimension Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 ID of the foreigner wearing a red shirt is welcome. Why, exactly? That's a good question. Why is he there supporting this mob? He should have been interviewed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanuman1 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) ID of the foreigner wearing a red shirt is welcome. Why, exactly? That's a good question. Why is he there supporting this mob? He should have been interviewed. Clearly, I must be at fault for not making things blindingly obvious. Sorry. I meant why would the ID of this man be welcome? Edited January 9, 2011 by hanuman1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 So we know who not to enter into any long-term contract with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdimension Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) ID of the foreigner wearing a red shirt is welcome. Why, exactly? That's a good question. Why is he there supporting this mob? He should have been interviewed. Clearly, I must be at fault for not making things blindingly obvious. Sorry. I meant why would the ID of this man be welcome? I knew what you were asking but I wanted to hijack it to a raise a more relevant and important question. Edited January 9, 2011 by hyperdimension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanuman1 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 So far the two answers to my question have been a) unconvincing and b] non existent. I wonder if TAWP could enlighten us. Why would it be welcome to identify the man wearing a 'redshirt' shirt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Why would it be welcome to identify the man wearing a 'redshirt' shirt? I am always interested in anyone who takes public political stances in-front of cameras. He clearly has nothing to hide and would do an interview, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanuman1 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) Why would it be welcome to identify the man wearing a 'redshirt' shirt? I am always interested in anyone who takes public political stances in-front of cameras. He clearly has nothing to hide and would do an interview, surely? I see, so you would want to meet the guy and ask him a few questions..... He's just wearing a t-shirt with a political slogan and someone took his picture. Does that mean he should expect strangers to come up to him and ask him to explain himself? Maybe he'd turn out to be a quite nice chap who would take the time to accommodate all your questions, but he would also have every right to tell you exactly where to go. Also, the next time you see a 50-year old Thai woman with an AC/DC t-shirt on, please don't assume that she has ever been to an AC/DC concert, bought an AC/DC track or even knows who or what AC/DC is. Edited January 9, 2011 by hanuman1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallmeScooter Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 He's calling in to find out who they are, because "he doesn't know them". That's a good question. Why is he there supporting this mob? He should have been interviewed. Gosh. For his sake, I hope only by the Toronto Star. Things could get a little incoherent otherwise, if the sum total (without exception) experience of farang Red Shirts is to be used as any kind of guide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangMaiFun Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Numbers = not even close to 60k, or even 10k... 30,000 actually according to the Police so you are dreaming it wasn't even 10,000 get your facts right http://www.thaivisa....bangkok-police/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangMaiFun Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 ID of the foreigner wearing a red shirt is welcome. He's the latest in a long history of proud Foreigner Red Shirts... (FRS'ers) His martyrdom-worded T-Shirt reflects the grave injustices done to his brethren in arms that went before him. Such notable intellectual stalwarts as Australian Colin Purcell and Briton Jeff Savage really embarrassing - farangs should stay out of it and limit their comments to TV! it's not our fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emptyset Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 really embarrassing - farangs should stay out of it and limit their comments to TV! it's not our fight Yes, we should. In general. Although I find all this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNvZk-o0zmA rather moving... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangMaiFun Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 really embarrassing - farangs should stay out of it and limit their comments to TV! it's not our fight Yes, we should. In general. Although I find all this: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=QNvZk-o0zmA rather moving... jeeze... there's no accounting for taste... anyway it's not our business! we are guests here and will never be Thai (although some posters think they are more Thai than Thai's) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mca Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Kelly looking for a fast track to a resident's permit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aznyron Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 jeeze... there's no accounting for taste... anyway it's not our business! we are guests here and will never be Thai (although some posters think they are more Thai than Thai's) ====================================================================== very true & honestly I would not want to be Thai I am very happy I was born in the USA even with all it problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 ID of the foreigner wearing a red shirt is welcome. He's the latest in a long history of proud Foreigner Red Shirts... (FRS'ers) His martyrdom-worded T-Shirt reflects the grave injustices done to his brethren in arms that went before him. Such notable intellectual stalwarts as Australian Colin Purcell and Briton Jeff Savage really embarrassing - farangs should stay out of it and limit their comments to TV! it's not our fight Savage by name and nature, looks like a bar brawler, I like the fashion flipflops, has he another pair like these ? When it comes to mass protests, my idea is let the Thai sort out their probs. A fellow Brit. It makes me shake my head,-- stupid person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Numbers = not even close to 60k, or even 10k... 30,000 actually according to the Police so you are dreaming it wasn't even 10,000 get your facts right http://www.thaivisa....bangkok-police/ Actually, when I wrote it it was nowhere close. The majority of people arrived close to 18.30-19.00. I had hopes the march would be over at 17, but they decided to set up a stage and have the non-supporter Thaksin phone in and the not-talk-to-crowds-over-5-people hold a speech. That increased the amount of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanuman1 Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) nowt Edited January 10, 2011 by hanuman1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaiChai Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Maybe its time for the Red Shirts to try a different strategy. Being part of a truly responsible political party that gains the nation's respect...over time. Never happen. Easier to burn down buildings. I don't see the point of these rallys? What is the message? Its just a pain in the ass for anyone trying to get around town. PT need to become a serious party with policies to impress the electorate. The boring message of 'the current government is evil' and 'we were done wrong' won't win votes come election time. Currently they only have one policy: get Taksin back in power. People are bored of this and are more interested in getting on with their own lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdimension Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 PT need to become a serious party with policies to impress the electorate. No they don't. They need to disband. Cut off funding from Thaksin and/or his associates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshiwara Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Maybe its time for the Red Shirts to try a different strategy. Being part of a truly responsible political party that gains the nation's respect...over time. Never happen. Easier to burn down buildings. I don't see the point of these rallys? What is the message? Its just a pain in the ass for anyone trying to get around town. PT need to become a serious party with policies to impress the electorate. The boring message of 'the current government is evil' and 'we were done wrong' won't win votes come election time. Currently they only have one policy: get Taksin back in power. People are bored of this and are more interested in getting on with their own lives. The point of these rallies is to give the illusion that pressure is being applied on the government to dissolve parliament and restore the momentum lost when the reds failed in their objectives during both the 2009 and 2010 violence. After their 2010 defeat Thaksin hasn't got another Seh Daeng in the wings to hot up the action, but you can bet your money that if and when he reds lose the next election, they will cry foul and Thaksin will try to kick off another street violence spree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
termad Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 (edited) In UK and Thailand you vote for a party and its political manifesto the party decides who is to be its leader (P.M.). The Democrats lost the election but in a deal brokered by the Military and funded by the Amataya forty Phuea Thai MPs (the friends of Newin) were bought and these MPs then crossed the floor of the House and formed a new party (Bhumjaithai). This new party, which has never stood for election, then gave their votes to the Democrat party thus betraying the people that had elected them as Phuea Thai MPs. If you call that being elected by parliament - well yes you are technically correct. Part of the deal was that this new party would get control of some lucrative ministries which they did and have subsequently been at the centre of all the corruption allegations laid at the door of this present government. What has Abhisit done about that? nothing. The reason being that if he calls Bhumjaithai to account he would lose its support and have to call an election. Actually, in Thailand, a lot of people vote for a local politician regardless of the party he supposedly represents, as shown by the ex-PPP, now BJT MP, who was elected with the PPP in the 2007 election, and then recently re-elected with the BJT in a by-election. The PPP lost the election also, but they made a deal with smaller parties that had campaigned that they would not support the PPP. After the PPP were disbanded, ALL the remaining (non-banned) MPs moved to different parties. The "friends of Newin" decided that they didn't want to move to the PTP, and formed their own party. They also decided that they didn't want to continue supporting Thaksin's puppet parties so supported the Democrats instead. As with any coalition government, members of smaller coalition parties are given some key posts, as shown in recent elections in Aus and the UK. Particularly, in Australia, the Liberal / National coalition always had the Nationals leader as deputy PM, and Nationals MPs in some other key posts. Your reply doesn't make sense. The 'friends of Newin' didn't/couldn't have decided that they didn't want to move to Phuea Thai party as they were already elected Phuea Thai MPs. No. PTP didn't exist in the 2007 election. They were elected PPP MPs. PTP didn't exist until after the PPP were disbanded. edit: see, I don't need to be an expert to know some basic facts. In the election of 2005, Thaksins party was returned to power with the largest mandate ever awarded by the electorate to a Thai political leader. The election held in early 2008, under a new constitution that was designed to limit the ability of the successors to Thaksins Thai Rak Thai Party to win elections. But the People Power Party, successor to the banned Thai Rak Thai, nonetheless received the largest number of votes, and was able to put together a coalition government. The establishment struck back, using the court system to first declare Prime Minister Samak unqualified to be Prime Minister, and then banning the entire Peoples Power Party at the end of the year. This court ruling, combined with months of protests and illegal occupation of Government House and then of the International Airport, brought to an end the Thaksin nominee government of Samaks successor, Somchai. Under the guidance of Commander-in-Chief Anupong, during a series of back-room negotiations held on a military base, Newin, who had been banned from elections but was the power behind the Bhumjaithai Party, was induced to desert Thaksin and form a coalition government led by Abhisit of the Democrats. Abhisit has never won an election and I doubt that he ever will. Edited January 11, 2011 by termad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 All removed, check original post As you mentioned before 'If you call that being elected by parliament - well yes you are technically correct.' An interesting discussion, but the OP is Red shirts plan for future, next Bangkok rally with 60,000 people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 (edited) More in line with the title of this topic: ..In my opinion, the “non-violent” strategy would work far more effectively in terms of the world media coverage as well as the sympathy of the Thai “public”……..and it would allow far greater numbers to join the crowd than a violent situation would… http://<URL Automatically Removed>/2011/01/11/note-rajprasong-new-asked-about-red-shirts-leader-sombat-criticizing-taksins-phone-in-generated-a-massive-debate/ (edit: add quoted text) Edited January 11, 2011 by rubl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallmeScooter Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 The point of these rallies is to give the illusion that pressure is being applied on the government to dissolve parliament and restore the momentum lost when the reds failed in their objectives during both the 2009 and 2010 violence. After their 2010 defeat Thaksin hasn't got another Seh Daeng in the wings to hot up the action, but you can bet your money that if and when he reds lose the next election, they will cry foul and Thaksin will try to kick off another street violence spree. Sigh. He has to run out of money sooner or later. This must all be costing him a ridiculous fortune. Exactly how many billions did he ferret out of Thailand whilst he was PM? It's amazing that those who would claim his innocence on his already-proved corruption, can't understand that every day he remains a fugitive, every rally he sponsors, every EPL club he purchases, every citizenship of a rogue state, his private jet...his entire lifestyle really... ...yeah, all that costs *just* a bit more than Thaksin and his wife had declared assets totaling 15.1 billion baht when he took office in 2001 They returned 30 billion baht after a "grass is green" verdict that he had become "unusually wealthy whilst serving the nation". Where did the cash to buy Manchester City come from? (bought whilst his 76 billion was frozen of course) Where does he get his ongoing living expenses? Where does he get the cash to pay the mammoth ongoing invoices related to the operating costs for the PTP, UDD, Red Shirts, all the media 'gifts' and so on? I mean, someone as talented and brilliant as Jutaporn, MP must alone burn a hole in Thaksin's pocket. And why was none of this declared and paid tax on? When I leave Suvarnabhumi I have to declare amounts over 50,000 baht. I concede Thaksin should be allowed a bit more, he's more important than I am. But we're talking more than 50,000,000,000 baht here. Hey, Thaksin-lovers....the corruption charges were trumped-up? He's gotta run out of money at some point... right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 The point of these rallies is to give the illusion that pressure is being applied on the government to dissolve parliament and restore the momentum lost when the reds failed in their objectives during both the 2009 and 2010 violence. After their 2010 defeat Thaksin hasn't got another Seh Daeng in the wings to hot up the action, but you can bet your money that if and when he reds lose the next election, they will cry foul and Thaksin will try to kick off another street violence spree. Sigh. He has to run out of money sooner or later. This must all be costing him a ridiculous fortune. Exactly how many billions did he ferret out of Thailand whilst he was PM? It's amazing that those who would claim his innocence on his already-proved corruption, can't understand that every day he remains a fugitive, every rally he sponsors, every EPL club he purchases, every citizenship of a rogue state, his private jet...his entire lifestyle really... ...yeah, all that costs *just* a bit more than Thaksin and his wife had declared assets totaling 15.1 billion baht when he took office in 2001 They returned 30 billion baht after a "grass is green" verdict that he had become "unusually wealthy whilst serving the nation". Where did the cash to buy Manchester City come from? (bought whilst his 76 billion was frozen of course) Where does he get his ongoing living expenses? Where does he get the cash to pay the mammoth ongoing invoices related to the operating costs for the PTP, UDD, Red Shirts, all the media 'gifts' and so on? At least partially, from African diamonds I mean, someone as talented and brilliant as Jutaporn, MP must alone burn a hole in Thaksin's pocket. And why was none of this declared and paid tax on? When I leave Suvarnabhumi I have to declare amounts over 50,000 baht. I concede Thaksin should be allowed a bit more, he's more important than I am. But we're talking more than 50,000,000,000 baht here. Hey, Thaksin-lovers....the corruption charges were trumped-up? He's gotta run out of money at some point... right? As per signature below | | V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallmeScooter Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 (edited) At least partially, from African diamonds Aren't diamonds from Africa almost entirely "blood diamonds"? With little kids forced to become addicts to heroin and given AK-47s to kill and murder and rape etc? Why am I surprised. Edited January 11, 2011 by TheyCallmeScooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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