Red Shirts Plan For Future, Next Bangkok Rally With 60,000 People

[whybother]

Actually, in Thailand, a lot of people vote for a local politician regardless of the party he supposedly represents, as shown by the ex-PPP, now BJT MP, who was elected with the PPP in the 2007 election, and then recently re-elected with the BJT in a by-election.

The PPP lost the election also, but they made a deal with smaller parties that had campaigned that they would not support the PPP.

After the PPP were disbanded, ALL the remaining (non-banned) MPs moved to different parties. The "friends of Newin" decided that they didn't want to move to the PTP, and formed their own party. They also decided that they didn't want to continue supporting Thaksin's puppet parties so supported the Democrats instead.

As with any coalition government, members of smaller coalition parties are given some key posts, as shown in recent elections in Aus and the UK. Particularly, in Australia, the Liberal / National coalition always had the Nationals leader as deputy PM, and Nationals MPs in some other key posts.

Your reply doesn't make sense. The 'friends of Newin' didn't/couldn't have decided that they didn't want to move to Phuea Thai party as they were already elected Phuea Thai MPs.

No. PTP didn't exist in the 2007 election. They were elected PPP MPs. PTP didn't exist until after the PPP were disbanded.

edit: see, I don't need to be an expert to know some basic facts.

In the election of 2005, Thaksin’s party was returned to power with the largest mandate ever awarded by the electorate to a Thai political leader.

The election held in early 2008, under a new constitution that was designed to limit the ability of the successors to Thaksin’s Thai Rak Thai Party to win elections. But the People Power Party, successor to the banned Thai Rak Thai, nonetheless received the largest number of votes, and was able to put together a coalition government. The establishment struck back, using the court system to first declare Prime Minister Samak unqualified to be Prime Minister, and then banning the entire People’s Power Party at the end of the year. This court ruling, combined with months of protests and illegal occupation of Government House and then of the International Airport, brought to an end the Thaksin nominee government of Samak’s successor, Somchai. Under the guidance of Commander-in-Chief Anupong, during a series of back-room negotiations held on a military base, Newin, who had been banned from elections but was the power behind the Bhumjaithai Party, was induced to desert Thaksin and form a coalition government led by Abhisit of the Democrats.

Abhisit has never won an election and I doubt that he ever will.

At last you're getting some things right. Except for the "election held in early 2008". I assume you're referring to the one at the end of 2007.

No acknowledgment of your previous mistakes though.

How did the new constitution limit PPP?

"Abhisit has never won an election". Thaksin has won one election (after "convincing" many smaller parties to join the TRT). Samak and Somchai have never won an election.

[rubl]

Aren't diamonds from Africa almost entirely "blood diamonds"? With little kids forced to become addicts to heroin and given AK-47s to kill and murder and rape etc?

Why am I surprised.

To be fair, k. Thaksin was in South Africa to look at some mines in which he and his associates could invest. Diamonds mined in S.A. can hardly be called 'blood' diamonds I'd say. Mind you, I have no idea where and when that particular photo was made.

[Buchholz]

Aren't diamonds from Africa almost entirely "blood diamonds"? With little kids forced to become addicts to heroin and given AK-47s to kill and murder and rape etc?

Why am I surprised.

To be fair, k. Thaksin was in South Africa to look at some mines in which he and his associates could invest. Diamonds mined in S.A. can hardly be called 'blood' diamonds I'd say. Mind you, I have no idea where and when that particular photo was made.

He's traveled all over Africa in regards to "business," including Zimbabwe last month:

Iafrica online reported that Thaksin flew into Lanseria Airport form Dubai on Sunday on a chartered Bombardier Global Express and flew out to Harare on Wednesday morning.

==================

The country which is the subject of:

Profiting from Zimbabwe's 'blood diamonds'

A BBC investigation in Zimbabwe has uncovered evidence that senior people around President Robert Mugabe are benefiting from the sale of illegal diamonds.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8007406.stm

[rubl]

all removed, check original post

True, k. Thaksin has been flying around Africa. He even has a Uganda passport. Looking for business, looking to buy diamond mines. That still doesn't prove he's into 'blood diamonds'.

The question was / is : when and where was the photo made you including in one of your post, the one where k. Thaksin shows some diamonds in his hand ?

[Buchholz]

all removed, check original post

True, k. Thaksin has been flying around Africa. He even has a Uganda passport. Looking for business, looking to buy diamond mines. That still doesn't prove he's into 'blood diamonds'.

The question was / is : when and where was the photo made you including in one of your post, the one where k. Thaksin shows some diamonds in his hand ?

True, in that there's no definitive proof yet that he's involved with blood diamonds. While we don't know what business he was specifically doing in Zimbabwe, we do get a bit more of a specific glimpse of his travels to a couple of other countries with a history of blood diamonds:

and travelled to Liberia, Uganda, and Swaziland for investments in diamonds and gold.

The photo I'll have to track down further as there wasn't info on date/location.

Edited January 11, 2011 by Buchholz

[TheyCallmeScooter]

If I cared enough or thought it actually required supporting 'evidence', I'd find the article which explained how grass is green in the African blood diamonds industry.

Let me put it this way...if you had a whole stack of blood diamonds that you would really like to sell to a company that really wanted to buy them...and the only thing holding up the sale was that pesky blood diamond moniker, would you - for example - not consider 'wiping' the blood off them?

Say by - hypothetically - sending them to South Africa? Presto, everyone is happy, diamonds no longer bloody, the warlord can sell them, the buyer who wants to buy them can do so respectively, the bride who happily receive them from their love-struck fiancées who couldn't care less about these things pay the retail markup....everyone has a big on their faces.

The ones that don't? Those who's blood taints the diamonds in ways that don't really stain the diamonds per se? Who really cares about them. Most of them are dead. They were just dumb Africans anyway. Millions more kids where they came from.

Commerce rolls on.

[termad]

Actually, in Thailand, a lot of people vote for a local politician regardless of the party he supposedly represents, as shown by the ex-PPP, now BJT MP, who was elected with the PPP in the 2007 election, and then recently re-elected with the BJT in a by-election.

At last you're getting some things right. Except for the "election held in early 2008". I assume you're referring to the one at the end of 2007.

Past elections

Parliamentary - 2011 Parliamentary - March 2, 2008 Parliamentary - December 23, 2007 Referendum - August 19, 2007

Parliamentary Second Round - April 23, 2006 Parliamentary - April 19, 2006 Parliamentary First Round - April 2, 2006 Parliamentary - February 6, 2005 Parliamentary - January 6, 2001 Parliamentary - March 4, 2000

Edited January 12, 2011 by termad

[TheyCallmeScooter]

quote fail whybother timestamp

quote fail termad timestamp

quote fail whybother timestamp

quote fail termad timestamp

quote fail whybother timestamp

Actually, in Thailand, a lot of people vote for a local politician regardless of the party he supposedly represents, as shown by the ex-PPP, now BJT MP, who was elected with the PPP in the 2007 election, and then recently re-elected with the BJT in a by-election.

At last you're getting some things right. Except for the "election held in early 2008". I assume you're referring to the one at the end of 2007.

Past elections

•Parliamentary - 2011 •Parliamentary - March 2, 2008 •Parliamentary - December 23, 2007 •Referendum - August 19, 2007

•Parliamentary Second Round - April 23, 2006 •Parliamentary - April 19, 2006 •Parliamentary First Round - April 2, 2006 •Parliamentary - February 6, 2005 •Parliamentary - January 6, 2001 •Parliamentary - March 4, 2000

Posting nested quotes: You're doing it wrong.

This post has been edited by termad: 26 minutes ago

Give it another crack, mate. If at first you don't succeed etc...

[whybother]

Actually, in Thailand, a lot of people vote for a local politician regardless of the party he supposedly represents, as shown by the ex-PPP, now BJT MP, who was elected with the PPP in the 2007 election, and then recently re-elected with the BJT in a by-election.

At last you're getting some things right. Except for the "election held in early 2008". I assume you're referring to the one at the end of 2007.

Past elections

•Parliamentary - 2011 •Parliamentary - March 2, 2008 •Parliamentary - December 23, 2007 •Referendum - August 19, 2007

•Parliamentary Second Round - April 23, 2006 •Parliamentary - April 19, 2006 •Parliamentary First Round - April 2, 2006 •Parliamentary - February 6, 2005 •Parliamentary - January 6, 2001 •Parliamentary - March 4, 2000

OK ... Senate elections in March 2008. Not really relevant to the PPP putting a coalition together, is it?

(excerpt)

The election held in early 2008, under a new constitution that was designed to limit the ability of the successors to Thaksin’s Thai Rak Thai Party to win elections. But the People Power Party, successor to the banned Thai Rak Thai, nonetheless received the largest number of votes, and was able to put together a coalition government.