Why Shoudn't I Move To Oz.

[Khun Jean]

I think too much i know, i like to plan some things for the future too.

With money earned in my home country it is easy living here. But we have to think about the future.

We have 2 children and still have a few years before they have to go to school. As the school system here is not that great it will force a difficult decision.

Am i going to stay here or do i move on.

My wife is the same as me, she likes to travel and adjust easily. At this moment the children are very young (2 and 3 years old). It will not be a problem for them to move somewhere else. I don't want to make a big move when they are 6 years or older because i think it will not benefit them.

What amazes me is that many people move to Australia and have a great live and at the same time so many Australians move to Thailand. Is it because when you move to another country you have more spirit/energy to make a new live and because of that, it works? I know i have that spirit, but in Thailand a few things (important ones) are just not that good when you are a foreigner.

Why do Australian people want to move to Thailand?

I know/think why i would like Australia, at least the subtropical area around Brisbane and more to the north. (Don't want to have cold weather do we.)

When i research this area it looks so much cleaner and nicer than anything i have ever seen in Thailand. Many good schools, proven by the fact that many students from all over the world go to Australia to study. You can really OWN land and house you buy and don't have to be afraid of mister Somchai building his gasbottle company right next door. When i compare things between Australia and Thailand, Australia always comes out as a winner.

I have tried a few places in Thailand. I like a little western comforts now and then so i end up close to touristic places or where foreigners live.

Sofar i lived in a Bangkok suburb and in Samui.

Samui is nice and terrible at the same time. You have nice beaches, nice houses, but it is infested with bargirls and the guys who like them. Still nice people but not my "style" as i don't like to hang out in bars. Samui has too many bars, too little of everything else. When i look back at the time i lived in Bangkok it was actually much more enjoyable, but after a while i can't stand the foul air and i long to be in a more natural surrounding instead of seeing only concrete. I really love the sea. That is the reason i have tried Samui. I also looked around other coastal places, but why is everything so dirty, it is a real shame! Okay i can go look in the deep south, really nice there but we all know that is not the place to be at this moment.

I did not like the circumstances in my own country (the Netherlands, Amsterdam), while many people from all over the world love it there!

Is it because i know to much about the place, how everything works and bored with it? There are rules for everything, very high taxes, not really "free", always working very very hard without much change of progress. When i read about Australians they say the same things!

I am not a person who cares much about politics, i think it is because i am from a "secure" country. Whatever party wins it is always moderate and actually nothings changes that much. I am not really interested in political reason, but more day to day things about living in Australia.

At this time there is an oppertunity to apply for a visa as Australia is looking for more immigrants. I am really interested and will visit Australia end of this year to have a look around.

Now that i am interested in Australia i want to know more about it, also the bad things. I want to make a good judgement. I am not afraid to make the jump but am more curious if i will not go to a country which is very similar to the one i just left! That would be a bummer wouldn't it.

I can imagine you moved to Thailand when you live in a big city like Sydney or Melbourne, live would be hectic, same like in any big city.

I am not interested in reason like cold weather or more beautiful women in Thailand, i understand those reason very good myself.

So tell me. What reasons do you have to leave Australia?

Edited August 26, 2005 by Khun Jean

[samran]

So tell me. What reasons do you have to leave Australia?

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Its in our blood. More than 1 million Australians out of a population of 20 odd million live overseas.

The other reason is: because we can also go back anytime we don't like it somewhere else.

[think_too_mut]

What amazes me is that many people move to Australia and have a great live and at the same time so many Australians move to Thailand.

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Australians move to everywhere, probably the number of them moving to Thailand is smaller than to many other places. And among them, many retire.

Others, moving to US and UK are in their best years and do it mostly for career.

I know/think why i would like Australia, at least the subtropical area around Brisbane and more to the north.

Australians know that too. Thousands move from cooler climate of Victoria (Melbourne) or NSW (Sydney) to Gold Coast or further north. Somebody counted that the rate of migration towards Queensland from Victoria only was at a rate of 30 people per hour in 1992. That dwarfs any possible number of Aussies who have or will move to Thailand.

When i research this area it looks so much cleaner and nicer than anything i have ever seen in Thailand. Many good schools, proven by the fact that many students from all over the world go to Australia to study.

Education is Australia's fifth largest export product - bigger than wool.

You can really OWN land and house you buy and don't have to be afraid of mister Somchai building his gasbottle company right next door. When i compare things between Australia and Thailand, Australia always comes out as a winner.

I agree, myself conteplating a move to Cairns. The land would be 100K and a house 150 or so (Oz dollars, deduct 25% to turn itno US$).

It's all yours and it is cheaper than in Pattaya or Hua Hin.

I posted this link befoere on the similar subject:

http://www.plantationhomes.com.au/content/index.cfm?id=236

At this time there is an oppertunity to apply for a visa as Australia is looking for more immigrants. I am really interested and will visit Australia end of this year to have a look around.

The applicants must be younger than 45 years (the younger the higher chances of being accepted) and with skills from some list.

So tell me. What reasons do you have to leave Australia?

I have never left Australia althought I haven't been on it's soil now exactly 2 years.

There is hardly a bigger advocate for the land of the most comfortable life on the planet than me.

Working in Japan to accumulate enough wealth to make a move with my Thai (now gf) and our daughter (18months) as soon as we can.

[Jai Dee]

So tell me. What reasons do you have to leave Australia?

Its in our blood. More than 1 million Australians out of a population of 20 odd million live overseas.

The other reason is: because we can also go back anytime we don't like it somewhere else.

That is very true Samran.

However the main reason for me leaving Oz is taxation.

And I still hate your avatar by the way...

[wilko]

For the last few years the hot-spot for immigration in Oz (both internal and external) has been S.E. Queensland, the resulting property boom has greatly increased house and land prices, but if you love suburbia and being overweight, Australia is the place for you...

here are some quotes about the country....

1. Donald Richmond Horne

Australia is a lucky country run mainly by second-rate people who share its luck.

Donald Richmond Horne 1921- : The Lucky Country: Australia in the Sixties (1964)

2. Eric Paul Willmot

Australia is the flattest, driest, ugliest place on earth. Only those who can be possessed by her can know what secret beauty she holds.

Eric Paul Willmot 1936- : Australia The Last Experiment (1987)

3. Germaine Greer

Australia is a huge rest home, where no unwelcome news is ever wafted on to the pages of the worst newspapers in the world.

Germaine Greer 1939- : in Observer 1 August 1982

4. A. D. Hope

And her five cities, like teeming sores,

Each drains her: a vast parasite robber-state

Where second-hand Europeans pullulate

Timidly on the edge of alien shores.

A. D. Hope 1907- : 'Australia' (1939)

5. D. H. Lawrence

Australia has a marvellous sky and air and blue clarity, and a hoary sort of land beneath it, like a Sleeping Princess on whom the dust of ages has settled.

D. H. Lawrence 1885-1930: letter to Jan Juta, 20 May 1922

6. Henry Carter

True patriots we; for be it understood,

We left our country for our country's good.

Henry Carter d. 1806: prologue, written for, but not recited at, the opening of the Playhouse, Sydney, New South Wales, 16 January 1796, when the actors were principally convicts; previously attributed to George Barrington (b. 1755)

7. Robert Gordon Menzies

What Great Britain calls the Far East is to us the near north.

Robert Gordon Menzies 1894-1978: in Sydney Morning Herald 27 April 1939

8. Henry Parkes

The crimson thread of kinship runs through us all.

Henry Parkes 1815-95 born Stonleigh Warwickshire, England: on Australian federation; speech, Melbourne, 6 February 1890

9. Dame Nellie Melba

Sing 'em muck! It's all they can understand!

Dame Nellie Melba 1861-1931: advice to Dame Clara Butt, prior to her departure for Australia; W. H. Ponder Clara Butt (1928)

[Neeranam]

I know/think why i would like Australia, at least the subtropical area around Brisbane and more to the north. (Don't want to have cold weather do we.)

I was there 2 weeks ago and it was freezing. I had to buy a wooly hat. It is nice in the summer though.

Is your planned move really for your kids or yourself? Sounds like you are having the "foreigner in Thailand blues", which can happen from time to time for all of us.

I thought of moving there once, but do you really want your kids to be exposed to sex, drugs and alcohol by the time they are 13. This is what the "great" Australian schools offer

IMO kids are better off in Thailand. Oz does have better sporting facilities, but maybe the kids won't be sporty.

Most Australians I know are here for the girls, well one for the boys. Have you seen Australian girls? OZ looks much cleaner on the surface but it has some real problems deep down. If I went there I would be in debt for the rest of my life, would probably have to work full-time, if not have 2 jobs, my wife would have to work. We still would probably only manage to go to the movies once a week and eat out at the best reataurant once in a blue moon. I can have a wonderful standard of living in thailand that I could only get in other countries if I were very rich.

When i compare things between Australia and Thailand, Australia always comes out as a winner.

Well there is only one solution - move to Australia, but your opinion may change after a few months.

I went recently for a holiday in Oz and I was very happy to be back in Thailand.

Gold Coast is nice, if you have at least AU$1 million for a nice house. The same house in Thailand would cost less than Au$100,000.

Australia is a country for the rich. If you are rich, I recommend going.

Don't be fooled by the wages, living costs are much higher.

If you are a tradesman(they want thousands this year) you might earn 2000 a week. Remember tax, morgage, only up to 200,000 I think, school fees( my sister spends $5,000 a year on sporting tuition alone for her kids, etc.

[think_too_mut]

In 2005. one should take seriously the quotes from 1805, 1907, 1885.

This is what we are talking about:

http://www.pddt.com.au/

[think_too_mut]

Australia is a country for the rich. If you are rich, I recommend going.

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Just one startling proof how untrue the above statement is: 80% of Oz population live within 60 minutes from a beach.

To enjoy long (or in many places endless) summer and the sea, one does not have to save money, plan the trip, take days off. It's free and available to all, always there, whether one rich or on the dole.

While living in Sydney, I went for surf 200 days a year: every weekend and holiday and, in 6 months summer and long daylight, before and/or after work without spending anything other than petrol and 10 mins there and back.

It's a society as classless as it gets in this world.

Never took a holiday to travel out of Oz. Biz trips took me many times around the world and nothing was more comfortable and richer than Sydney, my hometown. Had no reason to go out of it.

Edited August 27, 2005 by think_too_mut

[Jai Dee]

It's a society as classless as it gets in this world.

I hope there aren't any Yanks or Poms reading this... they're gonna have a field day with that line..

[think_too_mut]

It's a society as classless as it gets in this world.

I hope there aren't any Yanks or Poms reading this... they're gonna have a field day with that line..

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That statement can be found elsewhere, even in official Oz government booklets and web sites.

The line I posted was intentionally exactly what I read in an inflight magizine on an United Airline flight. That's how Americans said it themselves.

In the same article in that UA magazine one could read "Australians lead the most comfortable life on the planet".

Not that UA is an authority, neither am I, just wanted to use their words to support my stand.

[Jai Dee]

No problems mate... I wasn't having a shot at your post... more like thinking our Northern relatives might have a shot at us Antipodeans for having no class..

Who cares what they think anyway?

[think_too_mut]

No problems mate... I wasn't having a shot at your post... more like thinking our Northern relatives might have a shot at us Antipodeans for having no class.. 

Who cares what they think anyway?

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Oh, I thought by saying "classless society" was clear enough to describe the absence of castes and non-porous social barriers found elsewhere, in Thailand before all (as this is a Thai related board).

[snoophound]

I think you have to look at the stage of life you are at.

For the burnt out 50 year old divorcee with his half the proceeds from the family home built,bought twenty years ago it looks pretty attractive.

Say 500k AUD spend 100k buying a nice house in pattaya and you can get laid with young beautiful women that wouldnt give you a second look at home,play golf ,and slip into a lovely alcohol and boredom based delerium.

For the young exec in his late 20s and thirtys,its vibrant nightlife and lots of fun and games.

For the family man of course you would be crazy to leave Aus.

You can still but houses in Queensland for 3-400k aud which in Euros OR pound is Not a lot.

Cost of living is not bad.

Education system is average but prob as good as UK ,Europe.

Jobs for Tradeys in particular are abundant.

Sure Sydney is Pricey but ###### what do you sell a shoebox in London for these days? ,its all relative.

No problems mate... I wasn't having a shot at your post... more like thinking our Northern relatives might have a shot at us Antipodeans for having no class.. 

Who cares what they think anyway?

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Oh, I thought by saying "classless society" was clear enough to describe the absence of castes and non-porous social barriers found elsewhere, in Thailand before all (as this is a Thai related board).

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[Tornado]

Australia is a great place to live for many reasons. Cant think of many at the moment though. But it is cheap to live, that is certain. I have spent more in Thailand on my new house, my food shopping and entertainment, than I ever would have in Australia. Here it seems easy to spend 30k on a night out, but the only time I would of done that in OZ, would be at the Casino.

I would definately go back to live in Noosa in a heart beat - 24 degrees "everyday", better beaches, better food, not many fatties and understood at every turn. You can still buy a nice home in Sunshine Beach or Noosa Heads for around 20,000,000 baht. You dont get much in Phuket for that.

[snoophound]

A thousand bucks for a night out in Phuket??

For how many people??

Australia is a great place to live for many reasons. Cant think of many at the moment though. But it is cheap to live, that is certain. I have spent more in Thailand on my new house, my food shopping and entertainment, than I ever would have in Australia. Here it seems easy to spend 30k on a night out, but the only time I would of done that in OZ, would be at the Casino.

I would definately go back to live in Noosa in a heart beat - 24 degrees "everyday", better beaches, better food, not many fatties and understood at every turn. You can still buy a nice home in Sunshine Beach or Noosa Heads for around 20,000,000 baht. You dont get much in Phuket for that.

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[Pink Mist]

Australia is a great place to live for many reasons. Cant think of many at the moment though. But it is cheap to live, that is certain. I have spent more in Thailand on my new house, my food shopping and entertainment, than I ever would have in Australia. Here it seems easy to spend 30k on a night out, but the only time I would of done that in OZ, would be at the Casino.

I would definately go back to live in Noosa in a heart beat - 24 degrees "everyday", better beaches, better food, not many fatties and understood at every turn. You can still buy a nice home in Sunshine Beach or Noosa Heads for around 20,000,000 baht. You dont get much in Phuket for that.

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how much did you spend on entertainment on our night out mate?

[Tornado]

Australia is a great place to live for many reasons. Cant think of many at the moment though. But it is cheap to live, that is certain. I have spent more in Thailand on my new house, my food shopping and entertainment, than I ever would have in Australia. Here it seems easy to spend 30k on a night out, but the only time I would of done that in OZ, would be at the Casino.

I would definately go back to live in Noosa in a heart beat - 24 degrees "everyday", better beaches, better food, not many fatties and understood at every turn. You can still buy a nice home in Sunshine Beach or Noosa Heads for around 20,000,000 baht. You dont get much in Phuket for that.

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how much did you spend on entertainment on our night out mate?

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Seeing that you were staggering by 12 midnight, not much whilst you were here mate

[Jai Dee]

Here it seems easy to spend 30k on a night out...

I wanna go play with Torny...

Just don't expect me to go harsip-harsip on the check bin though...

[tuky]

Try buying a couple of kilo of live mud crabs (boo talay), a couple of kilo of live prawns (goong) and a couple of kilo of live morton bay bugs (kung) in Aust. for less than 1500baht

[Tornado]

Try buying a couple of kilo of live mud crabs (boo talay), a couple of kilo of live prawns (goong) and a couple of kilo of live morton bay bugs (kung) in Aust. for less than 1500baht 

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to true mate. guess what Im having for lunch!

I eat praws here every day, tis a hard life.

[snoophound]

Ahh yes the weekly trip to the Sydney fishmarkets,then its a thai feeding frenzy on sun for the missus and friends,who strangley seem to turn up.

Good Prawns and bugs say two bout 60-70 bucks so a bit more.

Now the closest to a thousand dollar day night in Sydney is our monthly boys lunch.

Lingerie Restaurant food lap dances ,Pub,Girlie bar ,Nightclub.. and finally.......yep can get very close.

Try buying a couple of kilo of live mud crabs (boo talay), a couple of kilo of live prawns (goong) and a couple of kilo of live morton bay bugs (kung) in Aust. for less than 1500baht 

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[Tornado]

the BBQ is on high, so I better get to it ! wish the rain would go away for an hour or so.

[BaanOz]

Thought you might be interested in this:

Australian housing world's most expensive

AFFORDABLE home ownership has slipped further from reach with a US report revealing Australian real estate is the most expensive in the world when adjusted to median household incomes.

Access Economics director Chris Richardson said four Australian cities featured in the world's 10 most expensive, when median house prices were compared with median household income.

The data from United States-based research group Demographia, which was interpreted by Access Economics, found Los Angeles was the most expensive international city, then San Diego and Sydney.

Melbourne ranked eighth on the list, followed by Hobart and Adelaide. Brisbane was the 11th most expensive city.

Australia had the dubious mantle of having the world's most expensive real estate on an adjusted basis, followed by New Zealand.

[BaanOz]

I would definately go back to live in Noosa in a heart beat - 24 degrees "everyday", better beaches, better food, not many fatties and understood at every turn. You can still buy a nice home in Sunshine Beach or Noosa Heads for around 20,000,000 baht. You dont get much in Phuket for that.

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Tornado,

Yes, you arn't far off the price for 23,000,000 baht this is on offer:

3 Bedroom House

###### nice place of this world - Noosa!

Edit: to the OP - cleanest beachside town in Thailand I've seen is Hua Hin.

Edited August 27, 2005 by BaanOz

[Tornado]

I would definately go back to live in Noosa in a heart beat - 24 degrees "everyday", better beaches, better food, not many fatties and understood at every turn. You can still buy a nice home in Sunshine Beach or Noosa Heads for around 20,000,000 baht. You dont get much in Phuket for that.

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Tornado,

Yes, you arn't far off the price for 23,000,000 baht this is on offer:

3 Bedroom House

###### nice place of this world - Noosa!

Edit: to the OP - cleanest beachside town in Thailand I've seen is Hua Hin.

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I used to own a pub on the Noosa River about 10 years ago. Noosa Waters which was close by, was only $260,000 a house on the river - now 2 mil... have been kicking myself I didnt buy.

Baan Oz's post is a shock. I would never have thought Aus was one of the most expensive.

[think_too_mut]

Baan Oz's post is a shock. I would never have thought Aus was one of the most expensive.

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Nobody looked into how unaffordable new developments are to common Thais in Thailand.

What would a Thai John Doe do?

[Tornado]

I'd have to think to mut to answer that - not on a Saturday night!

[think_too_mut]

I'd have to think to mut to answer that - not on a Saturday night! 

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You, the veterans, know that, for other board members:

"think too mutt" is a Thai expresion ("kit maak") that describes the state of high anxiosity.

Nothing to do with thinking, whatsoever.

[khall64au]

There are still some very affordable places to live in Oz. Cairns for one!

Real estate in the Cairns region is still in a moderate price range. It's in the tropics with great beaches, rainforest, islands, etc. There are very good schools and the food is great, freshly grown fruit and veges available at the weekend market and fresh local seafood available. The ethnic mix is also a winner. There are many nationalities living there - including loads of Thai's - so international food supplies is not a problem.

Culturally, I would say Cairns is one of the best places to live in Oz. Due to the diversity of migrants there is always some cultural performance or festival going on and the international airport is a bonus for a quick escape when the need arises.

I lived there for 7 yrs before coming to LOS and can highly recommend the area for a young family.

[chuchok]

To answer the op's question....Cause there's too many Aussies!