thais who speak loudly

[bangkokboro]

deejah i keep thinking your writing a poem the way you set your words out now back on topic please.

[thaimite]

Lets face there is no standard way of speaking English, even amongst 1st language English speakers, Spoken English varies over short distances in the UK...ie Liverpool vs Manchester, Newcastle to Glasgow. Internationally we have American English, Austrialian English etc...even Singapore has its own version of English..named "Slinglish"

My opinion after many years working internationally in multi-cultural/mutli-language enviroments were English is the contract languge, if the person concerned can make him/her self understood about what they are talking about in English....their English skills are good enough, irrespective of how they speak it.

Do i think Thailand would benefit "internationally" having a certain degree/standard of English spoken widely across the country....Yes,

If one looks at Cambodia, which was a French colony, one would expect French to be a "second language" but in fact its English and spoken for the most part at a higher level than is spoken in Thailand

Food for thought...

I agree 100%, and how good are the foreign language skills of us native English speakers? we are generally in no position to comment about another's Englsih skill until we are fluent in at least 1 other language

[thaimite]

deejah i keep thinking your writing a poem the way you set your words out now back on topic please.

+1

[SantiSuk]

anyway its my problem

apparently no one else has an issue with this

Nail on the head time. Sorry but we seem to have no idea what you are talking about, although we probably all have some pet peeve that others would scratch their head over.

[bermondburi]

alfieconn, robblok, soutpeel, bermondburi, you've all been very bad boys. Using "pigeon" (or even "pidgeon") instead of "pidgin". You should know that this is one of SBK's pet peeves, and she'll be round to smack your bottoms if you persist in this. She may even keep you in after school!

she can smack my bottom any time !! I quite like that !!

[Thaddeus]

alfieconn, robblok, soutpeel, bermondburi, you've all been very bad boys. Using "pigeon" (or even "pidgeon") instead of "pidgin". You should know that this is one of SBK's pet peeves, and she'll be round to smack your bottoms if you persist in this. She may even keep you in after school!

she can smack my bottom any time !! I quite like that !!

With a whip ...... I don't think so.

[deejah]

anyway its my problem

apparently no one else has an issue with this

Nail on the head time. Sorry but we seem to have no idea what you are talking about, although we probably all have some pet peeve that others would scratch their head over.

well said

to clarify

the thing i was picking up on was about ATTITUDE

had absolutely nothing to do with ISSAN

and absolutely nothing to do with ABILITY

which most of the posts are about

never mind

but thanks so much for trying

my faith in TV has been restored

by some impressively erudite, polite, considerate, helpful and funny writers (thinly) sprinkled amongst the threads

Edited January 14, 2011 by deejah

[bermondburi]

alfieconn, robblok, soutpeel, bermondburi, you've all been very bad boys. Using "pigeon" (or even "pidgeon") instead of "pidgin". You should know that this is one of SBK's pet peeves, and she'll be round to smack your bottoms if you persist in this. She may even keep you in after school!

she can smack my bottom any time !! I quite like that !!

With a whip ...... I don't think so.

that's the way I like it baby !!

[bina]

actually its my tern. pidgin is a linguistic term; pigeon is an aviary term...

bina

israel

[jcgodber]

WHY FOR YOU KICK MY DOG ! HE BARK YOU ??

[pjclark1]

SBK has already told me off for pigeon, pidgin, pidgeon, I see you toucan get it wrong.

The first is a bird

The second is a daft way of talking

The third is either a spelling mistake or an archaic spelling of the bird.

So while complaining of their irritating ways of speaking, one should also consider ones own irritating ways of spelling.

There you have it!

Edited January 14, 2011 by pjclark1

[MSingh]

Off topic a little bit, but my daughter is learning English and gets told off if she speaks pidgeon english and then farangs come round and speak pidgeon English to her .

My theory was/is i talk English & English only to my little one from day dot, & Mum talks Thai & Thai only to her..

Of course little one here's her Mum talking English to me ( that is when she talks to me, which isn't very much to be honest ) but in doing that littl elearns to differenciate between the 2 Languages immediately and as soon as she started to talk etc..

Same goes for Books, same Book for 2 nights, me one night, her Mum the next..

The difference between her command of BOTH Lnaguage at 4 Years old to some of my Pal's Kid's is incredible, hoenstly..

& i will not tolerate any one of my Pals talking that tripe to her, forget it, it ell them to shut up immediately & generaly humiliate them when i do so, so they won't do it again neither....

[deejah]

back OT

a thai fellow explained it to me tonight

he said it was because he was excited

and happy

and that is why he talked like that

i think it is kind of like

when they say YOU YOU or HEY YOU loudly

to us it can sound rude

but to thais it is not rude and they dont mean to be rude at all

[SanukJoeII]

back OT

a thai fellow explained it to me tonight

he said it was because he was excited

and happy

and that is why he talked like that

i think it is kind of like

when they say YOU YOU or HEY YOU loudly

to us it can sound rude

but to thais it is not rude and they dont mean to be rude at all

Quotes of posters on this thread, probably native English speakers.

"I should of told them...."

"He is suppose to be ...."

"pidgeon"

"your writing a poem "

As a foreigner (Dutchman) I'm often shocked by the lack of correct English by those who have been surrounded by English from the day they were born.

Now this thread about the way Thais/Isan use English language. I can't believe it.

If OP doesn't understand something Thais do he should consider it is him who lacks understanding of Thais and not Thais being "irritating" as he stated.

Language is a communication tool, the better you can communicate the more fluent you can call your ability to speak the language. It is not important how you use a language as long as you can make clear what you mean. The same works for Thais: as long as they can make clear what they mean they have control of the language. Exception of course for one's own language, that should be correct.

Education in Isan is not on a high level, in my rural village school are three Thai teachers for English, two of them cannot have a conversation with me as their English is not sufficient....

That's one reason I'm always delighted when Isan people try to speak English, no matter how they do it, if they manage to make me understand (and mostly they do) what they mean they are the heroes.

Speaking of foreign languages: how many languages do e.g. Cambrian farmers/Sheffield coal miners speak? You want to hear them speak French, German? No, of course not. But you want Isan people speak English, and not pigeon English (BTW the right word, not pidgin Papua or pidgeon) but correct English! An insult!

Oh, before throwing stones at me, I am fluent in four languages and I know how difficult it is to transform grammar into spoken language.

Nice example of communication and simplification of a language:

English: "Could it be I used one or more words that have slightly irritated you and in a way that you are kind of upset with me now?"

Isan: "You angry me?"

Great ability, great people!

Cheers

Joe

[saraburioz]

I have a friend who teaches English at a university.

He comes round to my house and speaks pidgin to my kids my wife and me.

When those guys start saying stupid things like "cheu arai?" to my kids i tell them immediately to stop. Also my kids think they're idiots.

[Gary A]

For SOME of us, speaking is an attempt to effectively communicate. The Thai language is primary words then modifiers. This makes speaking Thaiglish or pidgin English more effective thus easier to understand. What do I care if English purists are offended and look down on me? For the purists, the best way to avoid listening to crude pidgin English is to learn to speak Thai fluently and simply close your ears and not listen to some of us who are too lazy to learn to speak pure Thai.

[deejah]

mods can you put this back in general please!!!!!

this is not about issan

it was a tongue in cheek title with a question on it

back OT

a thai fellow explained it to me tonight

he said it was because he was excited

and happy

and that is why he talked like that

i think it is kind of like

when they say YOU YOU or HEY YOU loudly

to us it can sound rude

but to thais it is not rude and they dont mean to be rude at all

i actually left out a few details

i was trying to finish this topic on a good note

but first i was thinking there ought to be a rule

on these forums

you need to read the whole thread before you post

like that is going to fly on TV

this thread is not about issan or ability or pidgin

i wish you guys contributed to my pidgin thread

where i was condoning it of all things!!!

i dont mind it i dont care and i use it

(no surprise to some of you)

where were all of you then???????

STORY PRELUDE

anyway the guy comes up to me and starts yelling

HELLO YOU ORDER ME

BLAH BLAH BLAH

so i look around for someone else to serve me

no one

so ti is clear i am going to have to deal with him

YOU ORDER ME

I WANT BIG TIP

so i say

pood bow bow good service good tip

and then he calms down and explains to me the above post

so he may even have been telling me a white lie

but we really got on well after that

i didn't like the food, they took it back, i got better, gave very big tip

everyone happy!!!!!

(this was an upscale joint, i dont normally send food back at thai joints)

(the charm to this story is how a bad situation can become a good situation so easily here with the right ATTITUDE

most if not any and all problems i have had with thais i was able to easily reconcile

wish i could say that about farang)

please read all of MY posts on this thread

and you will have a better idea of where i have been coming from

i really ought to say this somewhere else because this thread is not my pride AT ALL

it is a shame because there are other ideas i want to share with the general TV community here

i am ashamed at how many posts on TV in general are tit for tat

someone points out something they are uncomfortable with

or they dont like

and want insight and clarity

and others just point out something they dont like about the person who posted or their post

not only is it off topic

it is immature

and i think we can do better

thanks again

chook dee

i know some feathers were ruffled

mods can you put this back in general please!!!!!

THIS REALLY IS NOT ABOUT ISSAN

it was a tongue in cheek title with a question on it

Edited January 15, 2011 by deejah

[isanbirder]

mods can you put this back in general please!!!!!

this is not about issan

it was a tongue in cheek title with a question on it

back OT

a thai fellow explained it to me tonight

he said it was because he was excited

and happy

and that is why he talked like that

i think it is kind of like

when they say YOU YOU or HEY YOU loudly

to us it can sound rude

but to thais it is not rude and they dont mean to be rude at all

i actually left out a few details

i was trying to finish this topic on a good note

but first i was thinking there ought to be a rule

on these forums

you need to read the whole thread before you post

like that is going to fly on TV

this thread is not about issan or ability or pidgin

i wish you guys contributed to my pidgin thread

where i was condoning it of all things!!!

i dont mind it i dont care and i use it

(no surprise to some of you)

where were all of you then???????

STORY PRELUDE

anyway the guy comes up to me and starts yelling

HELLO YOU ORDER ME

BLAH BLAH BLAH

so i look around for someone else to serve me

no one

so ti is clear i am going to have to deal with him

YOU ORDER ME

I WANT BIG TIP

so i say

pood bow bow good service good tip

and then he calms down and explains to me the above post

so he may even have been telling me a white lie

but we really got on well after that

i didn't like the food, they took it back, i got better, gave very big tip

everyone happy!!!!!

(this was an upscale joint, i dont normally send food back at thai joints)

(the charm to this story is how a bad situation can become a good situation so easily here with the right ATTITUDE

most if not any and all problems i have had with thais i was able to easily reconcile

wish i could say that about farang)

please read all of MY posts on this thread

and you will have a better idea of where i have been coming from

i really ought to say this somewhere else because this thread is not my pride AT ALL

it is a shame because there are other ideas i want to share with the general TV community here

i am ashamed at how many posts on TV in general are tit for tat

someone points out something they are uncomfortable with

or they dont like

and want insight and clarity

and others just point out something they dont like about the person who posted or their post

not only is it off topic

it is immature

and i think we can do better

thanks again

chook dee

i know some feathers were ruffled

mods can you put this back in general please!!!!!

THIS REALLY IS NOT ABOUT ISSAN

it was a tongue in cheek title with a question on it

Nice post, Deejah! You!! We live in Thailand, we have to understand why Thais behave the way they do, not mouth off about them. I try never to take offence when Thais shout at me (they shout at each other the same way, except it sounds natural in Thai). Just as, I don't judge farangs in general by the negative posters in TV; pity them Deejah, they have nothing better to do.

Oh yes, and I forgot. Pidgin is a particular brand of English developed in certain parts of the world. e.g. China coast pidgin, now dying out, which developed as a means of communication between the Chinese and their farang masters (charming expressions like 'makee learnee"); the only one, as far as I know, which has become an official language is in Papua New Guinea, where even the daily newspaper is called 'Nugini TokTok' (sorry if this is slightly wrong; I've never been to TPNG, so this is hearsay + a fallible memory). There is no pidgin in Thailand.

Edited January 15, 2011 by isanbirder

[deejah]

mods can you put this back in general please!!!!!

this is not about issan

it was a tongue in cheek title with a question on it

back OT

a thai fellow explained it to me tonight

he said it was because he was excited

and happy

and that is why he talked like that

i think it is kind of like

when they say YOU YOU or HEY YOU loudly

to us it can sound rude

but to thais it is not rude and they dont mean to be rude at all

i actually left out a few details

i was trying to finish this topic on a good note

but first i was thinking there ought to be a rule

on these forums

you need to read the whole thread before you post

like that is going to fly on TV

this thread is not about issan or ability or pidgin

i wish you guys contributed to my pidgin thread

where i was condoning it of all things!!!

i dont mind it i dont care and i use it

(no surprise to some of you)

where were all of you then???????

STORY PRELUDE

anyway the guy comes up to me and starts yelling

HELLO YOU ORDER ME

BLAH BLAH BLAH

so i look around for someone else to serve me

no one

so ti is clear i am going to have to deal with him

YOU ORDER ME

I WANT BIG TIP

so i say

pood bow bow good service good tip

and then he calms down and explains to me the above post

so he may even have been telling me a white lie

but we really got on well after that

i didn't like the food, they took it back, i got better, gave very big tip

everyone happy!!!!!

(this was an upscale joint, i dont normally send food back at thai joints)

(the charm to this story is how a bad situation can become a good situation so easily here with the right ATTITUDE

most if not any and all problems i have had with thais i was able to easily reconcile

wish i could say that about farang)

please read all of MY posts on this thread

and you will have a better idea of where i have been coming from

i really ought to say this somewhere else because this thread is not my pride AT ALL

it is a shame because there are other ideas i want to share with the general TV community here

i am ashamed at how many posts on TV in general are tit for tat

someone points out something they are uncomfortable with

or they dont like

and want insight and clarity

and others just point out something they dont like about the person who posted or their post

not only is it off topic

it is immature

and i think we can do better

thanks again

chook dee

i know some feathers were ruffled

mods can you put this back in general please!!!!!

THIS REALLY IS NOT ABOUT ISSAN

it was a tongue in cheek title with a question on it

Nice post, Deejah! You!! We live in Thailand, we have to understand why Thais behave the way they do, not mouth off about them. I try never to take offence when Thais shout at me (they shout at each other the same way, except it sounds natural in Thai). Just as, I don't judge farangs in general by the negative posters in TV; pity them Deejah, they have nothing better to do.

Oh yes, and I forgot. Pidgin is a particular brand of English developed in certain parts of the world. e.g. China coast pidgin, now dying out, which developed as a means of communication between the Chinese and their farang masters (charming expressions like 'makee learnee"); the only one, as far as I know, which has become an official language is in Papua New Guinea, where even the daily newspaper is called 'Nugini TokTok' (sorry if this is slightly wrong; I've never been to TPNG, so this is hearsay + a fallible memory). There is no pidgin in Thailand.

thanks

cheers

[barrybankruad]

mods can you put this back in general please!!!!!

this is not about issan

it was a tongue in cheek title with a question on it

back OT

a thai fellow explained it to me tonight

he said it was because he was excited

and happy

and that is why he talked like that

i think it is kind of like

when they say YOU YOU or HEY YOU loudly

to us it can sound rude

but to thais it is not rude and they dont mean to be rude at all

i actually left out a few details

i was trying to finish this topic on a good note

but first i was thinking there ought to be a rule

on these forums

you need to read the whole thread before you post

like that is going to fly on TV

this thread is not about issan or ability or pidgin

i wish you guys contributed to my pidgin thread

where i was condoning it of all things!!!

i dont mind it i dont care and i use it

(no surprise to some of you)

where were all of you then???????

STORY PRELUDE

anyway the guy comes up to me and starts yelling

HELLO YOU ORDER ME

BLAH BLAH BLAH

so i look around for someone else to serve me

no one

so ti is clear i am going to have to deal with him

YOU ORDER ME

I WANT BIG TIP

so i say

pood bow bow good service good tip

and then he calms down and explains to me the above post

so he may even have been telling me a white lie

but we really got on well after that

i didn't like the food, they took it back, i got better, gave very big tip

everyone happy!!!!!

(this was an upscale joint, i dont normally send food back at thai joints)

(the charm to this story is how a bad situation can become a good situation so easily here with the right ATTITUDE

most if not any and all problems i have had with thais i was able to easily reconcile

wish i could say that about farang)

please read all of MY posts on this thread

and you will have a better idea of where i have been coming from

i really ought to say this somewhere else because this thread is not my pride AT ALL

it is a shame because there are other ideas i want to share with the general TV community here

i am ashamed at how many posts on TV in general are tit for tat

someone points out something they are uncomfortable with

or they dont like

and want insight and clarity

and others just point out something they dont like about the person who posted or their post

not only is it off topic

it is immature

and i think we can do better

thanks again

chook dee

i know some feathers were ruffled

mods can you put this back in general please!!!!!

THIS REALLY IS NOT ABOUT ISSAN

it was a tongue in cheek title with a question on it

Nice post, Deejah! You!! We live in Thailand, we have to understand why Thais behave the way they do, not mouth off about them. I try never to take offence when Thais shout at me (they shout at each other the same way, except it sounds natural in Thai). Just as, I don't judge farangs in general by the negative posters in TV; pity them Deejah, they have nothing better to do.

Oh yes, and I forgot. Pidgin is a particular brand of English developed in certain parts of the world. e.g. China coast pidgin, now dying out, which developed as a means of communication between the Chinese and their farang masters (charming expressions like 'makee learnee"); the only one, as far as I know, which has become an official language is in Papua New Guinea, where even the daily newspaper is called 'Nugini TokTok' (sorry if this is slightly wrong; I've never been to TPNG, so this is hearsay + a fallible memory). There is no pidgin in Thailand.

Pidgin English is a type of lingua franca, in other words a language that is developed so the speakers of different tongues can communicate There are many examples throughout the World. As has been mentioned before in P.N.Guinea, Swahili in Kenya and Tanzania, "Fanigalo" in southern Africa, Nepalese in Nepal, I'm sure there are many more.

ASs far as I am concerned, however a Thai speaks to me I don't mind as long as I understand, I however will always try to speak correct English to them.

[citizen33]

I'm another one who can't quite work out the Isaan connection. My guess is that the thread is really about the limited English picked up by people from the NE working in low-paid service jobs in tourist resorts. Of course, there are plenty of well-educated professionals from the NE who can speak pretty good English. My guess though is that those who haven't shaken off their NE accents may have more trouble with certain English language sounds than central Thais. The 'r' sound is one obvious example, and I fancy that there may be problems with 'ch' and 'th'. What do other people think?

[deejah]

OP

should be doing something more useful

story of my life

on TV

maybe something good has come of this

i got off of general and pattaya

into a new forum perhaps with a bit higher class

one can only hope :jap:

Edited January 16, 2011 by deejah

[metisdead]

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[deejah]

A couple of posts using unusual bold fonts have been removed. Please take a few minutes and familiarize yourself with forum netiquette.

good one

thanks

i need to read that a bit more often

metisdead

would you mind

changing the title to

thais who speak loudly

to farang in english

and move back to general

if it is not too much trouble

thanks

[metisdead]

Post has been re-named and moved.

However, I think the topic is rather tenuous.

[deejah]

yes i agree

this thread sucks

topic, title, and some of what i wrote and some responses

live and learn

however there are some things that i posted

that are very relevant to the TV community

about thailand and about posting

i hope they were not posts deleted

(perhaps a gentle reminder rather than deleting them might have sufficed

unfortunately it is not my call and

i am not privy to the history behind those decisions

so i must except the deletions and i do):jap:

i hope what posts that are available, that i wrote, are a constructive contribution to those that take the time to read them

this is the first and only forum that i am an active member of and the process itself has been very educational to me, if not a total waste of time

happy posting

chook dee

Edited January 16, 2011 by deejah

[deejah]

ps and off topic

but perhaps insightful and helpful

(my middle names)

oddly

doing a search this topic

with my id

does not give you all of my posts in this thread

perhaps a bug

perhaps a user error

i also have tried a search this forum / all threads

with my id

and the result was not all of my topics nor all of my posts

so use those features with that in mind

or even better

what is the cause and cure for this?

[PingManDan]

I dislike anyone who has to over power anyone with a loud annoying voice, be them Thai or Farang

[MAJIC]

My wife and I have a language policy with our Daughter,she speaks to her for the most part in Thai,

and I only speak to her in English,so she never hears "Pidgin English"and my poor attempts at Thai,

the result is she is fluent in both languages.

As for those that speak too loudly,its a way of domineering a conversation.

whichever Nationality,its very irritating ,regardless of whether the content is of any interest or not.

Edited January 16, 2011 by MAJIC

[MAJIC]

I'm another one who can't quite work out the Isaan connection. My guess is that the thread is really about the limited English picked up by people from the NE working in low-paid service jobs in tourist resorts. Of course, there are plenty of well-educated professionals from the NE who can speak pretty good English. My guess though is that those who haven't shaken off their NE accents may have more trouble with certain English language sounds than central Thais. The 'r' sound is one obvious example, and I fancy that there may be problems with 'ch' and 'th'. What do other people think?

Problems with L too,

hence Footbon & Schoon (sic) and most noticeable spoken from Thai School Teachers.

Edited January 16, 2011 by MAJIC