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The Thin Veneer Of Civilization

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Do we have to turn even a natural disaster into a poor taste political debate? Thousands are suffering so someone can score points on a web debate? Have some ###### decency.  :o

Regardless of who is president, or what else is happening, this still would have happened. The people dying are conservatives, liberals, and all other stripes. Can we keep the tired old left vs right/ bush vs others out of it? Or do we have enough class to accomplish that?

cv

I beg to disagree. It's God punishing those Bush voters :D

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Do we have to turn even a natural disaster into a poor taste political debate? Thousands are suffering so someone can score points on a web debate? Have some ###### decency.  :o

Regardless of who is president, or what else is happening, this still would have happened. The people dying are conservatives, liberals, and all other stripes. Can we keep the tired old left vs right/ bush vs others out of it? Or do we have enough class to accomplish that?

cv

I wonder how many time you have chuckled at a joke made in poor taste...

It's human nature, It doesn't mean that I don't feel for the people who have lost loved ones, or had their lives ruined by this disaster.

Try and take the comment for what it is, and most importantly in the context we find in this part of the forum, you will know from my posts that I do not normally engage in political dicussions and therefore have no interest in scoring points with those who do.

Incidently... I wonder how many American comedians will be making jokes about this in the months to comes, and how many Americans in the audience will be laughing along. To make fun of something eases the tension it has created IMHO.

totster :D

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Do we have to turn even a natural disaster into a poor taste political debate? Thousands are suffering so someone can score points on a web debate? Have some ###### decency.  :o

Regardless of who is president, or what else is happening, this still would have happened. The people dying are conservatives, liberals, and all other stripes. Can we keep the tired old left vs right/ bush vs others out of it? Or do we have enough class to accomplish that?

cv

I wonder how many time you have chuckled at a joke made in poor taste...

It's human nature, It doesn't mean that I don't feel for the people who have lost loved ones, or had their lives ruined by this disaster.

Try and take the comment for what it is, and most importantly in the context we find in this part of the forum, you will know from my posts that I do not normally engage in political dicussions and therefore have no interest in scoring points with those who do.

Incidently... I wonder how many American comedians will be making jokes about this in the months to comes, and how many Americans in the audience will be laughing along. To make fun of something eases the tension it has created IMHO.

totster :D

Well, I guarentee the Rangers & Seals that have just been dropped into the 'war zone' in New Orleans are not laughing.

It's animals in there shooting at helicopters. Looks like Mogodishu all over again. :D

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In a city shut down for business, the Rite Aid at Oak and South Carrollton was wide open on Wednesday. Someone had stolen a forklift, driven it four blocks, peeled up the security gate and smashed through the front door. The young and the old walked in empty-handed and walked out with armfuls of candy, sunglasses, notebooks, soda and whatever else they could need or find. No one tried to stop them.

Across New Orleans, the rule of law, like the city’s levees, could not hold out after Hurricane Katrina. The desperate and the opportunistic took advantage of an overwhelmed police force and helped themselves to anything that could be carried, wheeled or floated away, including food, water, shoes, television sets, sporting goods and firearms. Many people with property brought out their own shotguns and sidearms. Many without brought out shopping carts. The two groups have moved warily in and out of each other’s paths for the last three days, and the rising danger has kept even some rescue efforts from proceeding.

Some frightened homeowners took security into their own hands. John Carolan was sitting on his porch in the thick, humid darkness just before midnight Tuesday when three or four young men, one with a knife and another with a machete, stopped in front of his fence and pointed to the generator humming in the front yard, he said.

One said, “We want that generator,” he recalled.

“I fired a couple of rounds over their heads with a .357 Magnum,” Mr. Carolan recounted Wednesday. “They scattered.”

He smiled and added, “You’ve heard of law west of the Pecos. This is law west of Canal Street."

Bringing a shopping cart is wise.

I'd bring a canoe....

I'd pinch

1) Recordable DVD player

2) 52 inch television

3) New Playstation

4) 18 year old marooned Creole daughter with big knockers.

2) 52 inch television

Plasma..?

I'd grab an Ipod also.

Oh.. and a Laptop.

...and a bottle of expensive whiskey

totster :o

A laptop would be waterlogged.

Ditto the i-pod.

Perhaps a Ming vase or Ching dynasty bronze censer.

Perhaps a Ming vase or Ching dynasty bronze censer.

Nah... I'd probably drop it in the stampede... but oh well, what would I care.. :o

totster :D

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Perhaps a Ming vase or Ching dynasty bronze censer.

A Ming vase or Ching (sic) dynasty bronze censers are rather scarce in the French Quarter! :D

But on the subject of hurricanes which come in thirty year cycles and we’re just in the middle of the current peak. In ten years, it will taper off. No one knows why. It just happens. Period. Everyone can put away the tinfoil-global-warming hat… :o

US NEWS)—Measured by the dollar value of the damage they caused, 2004 was the worst hurricane season on record, and the 10 most costly hurricanes to hit the U.S. mainland have all occurred since 1992. But only one of those makes the list of the 10 strongest hurricanes in American history. Much of the increased damage, it turns out, is a result of booming coastal development rather than worsening storms.

But that doesn’t change the fact that there has been a steep uptick in the number of hurricanes in the Atlantic over the past decade. From 1970 to 1994, there were an average of 8.6 tropical storms, 5 hurricanes, and 1.5 major hurricanes per year in the Atlantic; from 1995 onward, those numbers have jumped to 13.6 storms, 7.8 hurricanes, and 3.8 major hurricanes.

Most scientists agree that the increased frequencies are part of a natural cycle. For all the destructive power of a fully formed hurricane, a nascent tropical cyclone is a fairly fussy thing, requiring just the right conditions in the sea and the air to develop. No one is quite sure why, but every two or three decades, the tropical Atlantic seems to swing back and forth between conditions that favor hurricane development–warm surface temperatures that give the storms more energy, for example–and conditions that tend to impede them, such as strong crosswinds that disrupt the forming cyclones. We’ve been in a hurricane-friendly period since about 1995, and there’s no telling whether we’re halfway through it, or only a third.

But on the subject of hurricanes which come in thirty year cycles and we’re just in the middle of the current peak. In ten years, it will taper off. No one knows why. It just happens. Period.

You're just making it up as you go along, aren't you!

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But on the subject of hurricanes which come in thirty year cycles and we’re just in the middle of the current peak. In ten years, it will taper off. No one knows why. It just happens. Period.

You're just making it up as you go along, aren't you!

Not really - this Global Warming stuff has still not been proven scientifically.

Sure there's CO2 emmissions that are higher today than 100 years ago but remember all the controversy re. the ozone layer?

It's all closed up today...

Right :o okay.

Any other categorical imperatives to set our minds at rest this boozy night?

Perhaps a Ming vase or Ching dynasty bronze censer.

A Ming vase or Ching (sic) dynasty bronze censers are rather scarce in the French Quarter! :D

But on the subject of hurricanes which come in thirty year cycles and we’re just in the middle of the current peak. In ten years, it will taper off. No one knows why. It just happens. Period. Everyone can put away the tinfoil-global-warming hat… :D

US NEWS)—Measured by the dollar value of the damage they caused, 2004 was the worst hurricane season on record, and the 10 most costly hurricanes to hit the U.S. mainland have all occurred since 1992. But only one of those makes the list of the 10 strongest hurricanes in American history. Much of the increased damage, it turns out, is a result of booming coastal development rather than worsening storms.

But that doesn’t change the fact that there has been a steep uptick in the number of hurricanes in the Atlantic over the past decade. From 1970 to 1994, there were an average of 8.6 tropical storms, 5 hurricanes, and 1.5 major hurricanes per year in the Atlantic; from 1995 onward, those numbers have jumped to 13.6 storms, 7.8 hurricanes, and 3.8 major hurricanes.

Most scientists agree that the increased frequencies are part of a natural cycle. For all the destructive power of a fully formed hurricane, a nascent tropical cyclone is a fairly fussy thing, requiring just the right conditions in the sea and the air to develop. No one is quite sure why, but every two or three decades, the tropical Atlantic seems to swing back and forth between conditions that favor hurricane development–warm surface temperatures that give the storms more energy, for example–and conditions that tend to impede them, such as strong crosswinds that disrupt the forming cyclones. We’ve been in a hurricane-friendly period since about 1995, and there’s no telling whether we’re halfway through it, or only a third.

Thinking about it BM... It does seem that we see more on the news in the recent years about hurricanes in the Caribbean and the US. I didn't really think about it much until your post.. :o

totster :D

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Living in Thailand you get lulled into 'hot season'/'rainy season' thing and don't realize there's bad weather out there - especially in North America, Siberia etc. For example, take all the giant-ass billboards in LOS. Only because there's virtually no strong wind blowing - ever that I've seen.

I'll be real glad to shift back to a 'no-wind' place like Thailand again! :o

I'll be real glad to shift back to a 'no-wind' place like Thailand again!

So don't sit due east of Thomas after he's had a red curry and he's watching the sunset.

(That was a terrible, cheap gag , sorry everyone, (but not Thomas) )

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This is remarkable. There is an ISP in New Orleans that is still running. Their “crisis manager”, who is ex-military, is holed up in the building with an unspecified number of people, supplies and weapons to ensure the data center is running and secure. This is his journal.

This is an excerpt from yesterday:

Ok, we went down to the ground floors to lock down the building tight since a couple of people holed up with us took off. While we were down there we surveyed a huge area of the CBD.

Flooding in the CBD: Poydras is flooded from near the west side of the Superdome down to Baronne street. All of the side streets are flooded too down that way. Baronne is the last flooded street as you head to the river. Poydras is clear from Baronne to the river.

There is no water that we could see from Poydras to the interstate starting at Baronne and going all the way to the river. Headed toward Canal St. from Poydras, I saw no flooding at all from just past Baronne to the river. That’s a huge area of the CBD without water on the streets. That’s way better than the warnings we got.

Looting: The police are looting. This has been confirmed by several independent sources. Some of the looting might be “legitimate” in as much as that word has any meaning in this context. They have broken into ATMs and safes: confirmed. We have eyewitnesses to this. They have taken dozens of SUVs from dealerships ostensibly for official use. They have also looted gun stores and pawn shops for all the small arms, supposedly to prevent “criminals” from doing so. But who knows their true intentions. We have an inside source in the NOPD who says that command and control is in chaos. He reports that command lapses more than 24 hours between check-ins, and that most of the force are “like deer in the headlights.” NOPD already had a reputation for corruption, but I am telling you now that the people we’ve been talking to say they are not recognizing the NOPD as a legitimate authority anymore, since cops have been seen looting in Walmarts and forcing people out of stores so they could back up SUVs and loot them. Don’t shoot the messenger....

Personal: Securing a 27 floor high rise with no elevator support is not fun. I am totally worn out. I am gonna chill for an hour, eat dinner, then perform maintenance. But never fear, Outpost Crystal and Team SOTI have knuckled down and will never quit. Never. We are prepared to go all the way to see this thing through.

Thanks again for all the support and love. One day this will all be over and ancient history, but I’ll never forget the kindness of strangers. Keep the less fortunate people in your thoughts and prayers."

Personally, I'd haul ass outa town.

But then, I've never cared for New Orleans anyhow... :o

This is remarkable.  There is an ISP in New Orleans that is still running.  Their “crisis manager”, who is ex-military, is holed up in the building with an unspecified number of people, supplies and weapons to ensure the data center is running and secure. 

 

Only in America... :o

totster :D

mana mana

I bought some of those videos of Mardi Gras when I was in New York.

The New Orleans gals go....'gimme some beads'

and you say, 'if you show me your tits'

and they go 'woooooooo'.

....does anyone know what i'm talking about?! Great place. Many bared breasts.

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This is remarkable.  There is an ISP in New Orleans that is still running.  Their “crisis manager”, who is ex-military, is holed up in the building with an unspecified number of people, supplies and weapons to ensure the data center is running and secure. 

 

Only in America... :o

totster :D

mana mana

Ever see the movie (old one) "Red Dawn" where America is invaded and folks come together against a common enemy?

Well, in New Orleans right now, that ain't happening. The 'brothers' in the 'hood' are shooting at the helicopters trying to help them. And the cops are breaking into ATMs.

It's unreal... :D

Ever see the movie (old one) "Red Dawn" where America is invaded and folks come together against a common enemy?

Well, in New Orleans right now, that ain't happening. The 'brothers' in the 'hood' are shooting at the helicopters trying to help them. And the cops are breaking into ATMs

Yes, this sounds like that other movie. 'Love Actually'.

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I bought some of those videos of Mardi Gras when I was in New York.

The New Orleans gals go....'gimme some beads'

and you say, 'if you show me your tits'

and they go 'woooooooo'.

....does anyone know what i'm talking about?! Great place. Many bared breasts.

Mardi Gras in New Orleans sucks.

You want a real Carnival - Rio or Bahia (Brazil).

It doesn't get any better - jing, jing, mai go hok maak...

This is remarkable.  There is an ISP in New Orleans that is still running.  Their “crisis manager”, who is ex-military, is holed up in the building with an unspecified number of people, supplies and weapons to ensure the data center is running and secure. 

 

Only in America... :o

totster :D

mana mana

I don't think so.

Imagine what would happen if a similar disaster should hit Bangkok.

Be honest.

Carnival in Venice would be an experience - every shop in Venice that doesn't sell glassware sells masks.

Actaully New Orleans sounds a lot like Venice.

This is remarkable.  There is an ISP in New Orleans that is still running.  Their “crisis manager”, who is ex-military, is holed up in the building with an unspecified number of people, supplies and weapons to ensure the data center is running and secure. 

 

Only in America... :o

totster :D

mana mana

I don't think so.

Imagine what would happen if a similar disaster should hit Bangkok.

Be honest.

Bangkok suffers with floods all the time...

And anyway, Bangkok doesn't need a disaster for people to arm themselves and loot... :D:D:D

totster :D

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Actaully New Orleans sounds a lot like Venice.

W/out the charm... :o

Floods here often....yet somehow we don't feel the need to go BANANAS and steal everything.

Self-control, its what stops us from being savages and running around naked screaming.

And anyway, Bangkok doesn't need a disaster for people to arm themselves and loot..

Wrong - Thais are more civilized than that..

Self-control, its what stops us from being savages and running around naked screaming.

I guess this means that I have no self control... :o

totster :D

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