Foreigners In Thailand Closely Watching Thai 'Shirts' Reaction To Arab Protesters

[Rhalovely]

It's simple, really. They are entirely different situations. Even the political situations BETWEEN Islamic Middle Eastern countries are very different. Between Egypt and Thailand, pomegranites and durian, really.

You will soon be proven completely wrong .

[MAJIC]

But who is the Thai Pharaoh? It is not Abhisit. The conclusion is simply that this is indeed a police state.

HOW do you come to that conclusion?

If it's not a police state now it will be, the same as England what with an English PM and all

I can't wait for your next Pearls of Wisdom!

[Rimmer]

One post removed from view also two quoted replies, be careful who or what you make reference to in this thread.

[Jingthing]

It's simple, really. They are entirely different situations. Even the political situations BETWEEN Islamic Middle Eastern countries are very different. Between Egypt and Thailand, pomegranites and durian, really.

You will soon be proven completely wrong .

Be more specific.

If you mean they will have a military coup, so what? Many countries regularly have military coups, doesn't make their political situations the same as Thailand.

If you mean the military will open fire on the protesters, doesn't make their political situation the same as Thailand.

If the you mean the masses of Thai people, more than the Thaksin fueled reds, will start an organic pro democracy movement in the streets here inspired by Egypt, seems very very unlikely.

Or whatever you mean, they are entirely different countries with entirely different cultures. Some are so massive, such as the royalty in Thailand and the Islamic nature of Egypt. Give it a rest, Egypt is Egypt, Thailand is Thailand. Not to mention Thailand already had recent coup toppling what a large faction thought was a severe autocrat in the making (Thaksin), and already went through a military regime before the most recent elections. Thailand is now preparing for new, not perfect elections, nothing like Egypt which has no election culture at all.

Edited February 11, 2011 by Jingthing

[carenot]

But who is the Thai Pharaoh? It is not Abhisit. The conclusion is simply that this is indeed a police state.

HOW do you come to that conclusion?

If it's not a police state now it will be, the same as England what with an English PM and all

I can't wait for your next Pearls of Wisdom!

care to elaborate

[dighambara]

Wow...

Foreigners in Thailand Closely Watching Thai "Shirts" Reaction to Arab Protesters

No we're not. The Arab movement is a popular uprising while the so-called "shirts" movement is largely a sponsored revolution.

Prime Minister Abhisit was not elected by the people to govern Thailand. He was appointed after the illegal overthrow of an elected Prime Minister in 2006,

Let's completely forget about the Samak and Somchai post-coup pro-Thaksin govts...

Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra. Thailand wants democracy and we are going to get it.

Okay, time to stop reading.

This is by far the best response to that joke of a story...

Yes, let us all forget that Taksin was stealing the country blind, all in the name of democracy... ROTFLMAO

[truethailand]

The main difference seems to be the role of the army which in Thailand will use violence against its own citizens (or rather subjects) at the drop of a hat.

If the military did actually use violence "at the drop of a hat" then the April to May 2010 protests would not have lasted that long.

You are also ignoring the fact that protesters here used military weapons, and were supported by an opposition party and an ex-PM wanting to regain power.

Remember in the 70's and the 90's (twice) they openly slaughtered their own people so 2010 was different. They tried to coral them in April to committ another slaughtered , where 500 dead was the projection..and that would have been an acceptable body count for the world. Saw in on tv, protestors giving soldiers a good slap then picking them up and sending them on their way or carrying them to Ambulances. It went up a notch between April and March because of the armys first attempt to gain control. Uncomfirmed reports say that soldiers refused to open fire, with a 50 calibre machine gun, on protestors and another refused to drive his armoured vehicle at them (it thats substantiated those soldiers should be given the highest honour this country can bestow).

Yes there is a link on a previous thread to the above but cant find it. Look for a site called thaiaccountability. Before you decry it remember that the army will not comply with the committee set up to look into the protests by not giving evidence. As for the army officers that got killed in April, look no further than their own for the killers. We are still waiting for the Porntip report into a grenade attack, must implicate the 'good guys' it will never be published

[whybother]

Remember in the 70's and the 90's (twice) they openly slaughtered their own people so 2010 was different. They tried to coral them in April to committ another slaughtered , where 500 dead was the projection..and that would have been an acceptable body count for the world. Saw in on tv, protestors giving soldiers a good slap then picking them up and sending them on their way or carrying them to Ambulances. It went up a notch between April and March because of the armys first attempt to gain control. Uncomfirmed reports say that soldiers refused to open fire, with a 50 calibre machine gun, on protestors and another refused to drive his armoured vehicle at them (it thats substantiated those soldiers should be given the highest honour this country can bestow).

Yes there is a link on a previous thread to the above but cant find it. Look for a site called thaiaccountability. Before you decry it remember that the army will not comply with the committee set up to look into the protests by not giving evidence. As for the army officers that got killed in April, look no further than their own for the killers. We are still waiting for the Porntip report into a grenade attack, must implicate the 'good guys' it will never be published

[geriatrickid]

Obviously, the Pattaya Times doesn't keep on eye on TVF since there is a small but vocal group that will back the current government no matter what.

That's a tad sweeping now, isn't it?

No, because I stated, SMALL. It would have been sweeping had I not included the adjective small.

[truethailand]

Everyday here, there are posted some of the worst examples of journalism you may ever read. It's a toss-up if this or the virgin valentine poll story marks a new low. Maybe ThaiVisa should focus a little bit more on rather than quantity.

Where are these stories with quality?

Here's a pretty good one, though not specifically Thai related:

http://www.atimes.co...a/MB02Ae01.html

I can see how this could possibly relate to Thailand in a few years...Good article

[jsflynn603]

I really don't understand how so many believe that what is occurring in Egypt will result in a democracy. Yes there will be a democratic process, but the end result is likely to be Sharia law with a possible eventual outcome of a radical Muslim superstate.

Climbing into my asbestos coveralls now.....

[khunsiam]

An Australian businessman working in Bangkok, Adrian Lang, says, "Why should the Abhisit government resign? The economy here is among the best in the world."

That's precisely why Thailand deserves change. The economy here is booming and the vast majority of the people have not benefitted at all; quite the reverse, they are struggling to make their low wages stretch to the increasing cost of cooking oil and other staples.

The comparison with Tunisa and Egypt omits one huge detail. Egyptian and Tunisian Troops refused to fire on their own people. The Thai army had and has no such reservations and is completely behind the Ruling Elite. If a renegate officer (Seh Daeng) sides with the people he is assasinated.

True!

[oldsailor35]

An Australian businessman working in Bangkok, Adrian Lang, says, "Why should the Abhisit government resign? The economy here is among the best in the world."

That's precisely why Thailand deserves change. The economy here is booming and the vast majority of the people have not benefitted at all; quite the reverse, they are struggling to make their low wages stretch to the increasing cost of cooking oil and other staples.

The comparison with Tunisa and Egypt omits one huge detail. Egyptian and Tunisian Troops refused to fire on their own people. The Thai army had and has no such reservations and is completely behind the Ruling Elite. If a renegate officer (Seh Daeng) sides with the people he is assasinated.

Correct Millwall fan...........but the Thai army 'are' the government here.

[oldsailor35]

The comparison with Tunisa and Egypt omits one huge detail. Egyptian and Tunisian Troops refused to fire on their own people.

The protesters in Egypt are not (up to now) heavily armed with military weapons, nor have leaders incited violence from the start to crowds like Arisman and other leaders:

The protests there are still happening so we'll have to wait and see if they do turn violent with the use of military weapons, but I doubt that the protesters are heavily armed.

The Thai army had and has no such reservations and is completely behind the Ruling Elite.

If you were here during the protests in Thailand you would know that the Thai military were also hesitant for a long time to use violence to disperse the protest in April and May 2010. It went on for too long after repeated requests to go home so tear gas and rubber bullets were used. Protesters responded with grenades and machine guns, killing several military officers. "You don't bring a knife to a gunfight".

If a renegate officer (Seh Daeng) sides with the people he is assasinated.

He was calling for violent bloody revolution. Many innocent people could have died if things went on the way he wanted. He was insane and had no qualms about killing. It is not known who ordered the assassination; there are many possibilities as has been discussed before.

Tear gas and rubber bullets ?.......................Utter B.S mate.

[TAWP]

Yes there is a link on a previous thread to the above but cant find it. Look for a site called thaiaccountability.

Did you just refer to R. Amsterdam's -- Thaksin's hired Propaganda Spouter/'Lawyer' -- website and the posted lies of that PAID summary?

Wow...I have a bridge to sell you...

[gemini81]

most locals don't even know about it..or care...or even know where egypt is....

[Jingthing]

I really don't understand how so many believe that what is occurring in Egypt will result in a democracy. Yes there will be a democratic process, but the end result is likely to be Sharia law with a possible eventual outcome of a radical Muslim superstate.

Climbing into my asbestos coveralls now.....

What you predict (a full theocracy) is very possible, but not inevitable. At the very least whatever government Egypt transitions will be heavily influenced by Islamic culture, no doubt, simply based on the demographics there.

[Democrat]

An Australian businessman working in Bangkok, Adrian Lang, says, "Why should the Abhisit government resign? The economy here is among the best in the world."

That's precisely why Thailand deserves change. The economy here is booming and the vast majority of the people have not benefitted at all; quite the reverse, they are struggling to make their low wages stretch to the increasing cost of cooking oil and other staples.

The comparison with Tunisa and Egypt omits one huge detail. Egyptian and Tunisian Troops refused to fire on their own people. The Thai army had and has no such reservations and is completely behind the Ruling Elite. If a renegate officer (Seh Daeng) sides with the people he is assasinated.

WARNING: SHORT TERM MEMORY LOSS MAY BE AN EARLY SIGN OF ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE

Let me provide you with a few key words that may help you more accurately remember the events of April last:

Arisman -bring bottles for petrol bombs

Military commander killed

M-79 attacks

Dead and wounded soldiers

Thaksin

hospital invasion

RPG attacks

We'll burn the city

Central World

Red shirt confesses to M-79 and RPG attacks

Terrorism charges

If that doesn't burn through the fog of "thai army shoots unarmed protesters" then you should consult a doctor post haste.

WARNING! Reading what is not written comes from laying onto many Lamingtons.

FACT Egyptian and Tunisian Troops refused to fire on their own people.

[whybother]

WARNING! Reading what is not written comes from laying onto many Lamingtons.

FACT Egyptian and Tunisian Troops refused to fire on their own people.

It helps when their own people aren't armed.

[Democrat]

It helps when their own people aren't armed.

Unfortuneatly only a small number of people know all the facts. So many conflicting stories. A brit citizen said I heard gunfire and a red shirt died in front of me. The govt said etc. etc. Too many questions left unanswered and the current coalition seems to be sitting on there hands, as i am sure if the opposition party was returned to power it would be the same. Seems to be orchestrated and probably in cahoots with each other. Maybe the poor will learn from Egypt and Tunisia and have their own revolution without the red, yellow, blue and pink shirts. I have heard many neutral and colours complain about rising prices of food and corruption, it is difficult for many to survive.

[Thai at Heart]

WARNING! Reading what is not written comes from laying onto many Lamingtons.

FACT Egyptian and Tunisian Troops refused to fire on their own people.

It helps when their own people aren't armed.

It also helps when there is no history of the army ever having shot the people.

[bulmercke]

An Australian businessman working in Bangkok, Adrian Lang, says, "Why should the Abhisit government resign? The economy here is among the best in the world."

That's precisely why Thailand deserves change. The economy here is booming and the vast majority of the people have not benefitted at all; quite the reverse, they are struggling to make their low wages stretch to the increasing cost of cooking oil and other staples.

The comparison with Tunisa and Egypt omits one huge detail. Egyptian and Tunisian Troops refused to fire on their own people. The Thai army had and has no such reservations and is completely behind the Ruling Elite. If a renegate officer (Seh Daeng) sides with the people he is assasinated.

millwall fan - very good post.

In short - this country is controlled by the military - as it always has been - and the events of last April/May proved conclusively on whose side the military sides.

[Bagwan]

If you were to take a poll of 2 thousand Thais, you would be lucky if even 1% (20 people) would be able to point to where Egypt is on a world map.....

A couple of years ago I bought a globe for the kids to learn something about the World. Not one family member could point out Thailand. I would say that they are typical of urban residents.

[jayjay0]

It helps when their own people aren't armed.

Unfortuneatly only a small number of people know all the facts. So many conflicting stories. A brit citizen said I heard gunfire and a red shirt died in front of me. The govt said etc. etc. Too many questions left unanswered and the current coalition seems to be sitting on there hands, as i am sure if the opposition party was returned to power it would be the same. Seems to be orchestrated and probably in cahoots with each other. Maybe the poor will learn from Egypt and Tunisia and have their own revolution without the red, yellow, blue and pink shirts. I have heard many neutral and colours complain about rising prices of food and corruption, it is difficult for many to survive.

My take on your reply was that if the various colored shirts would stop meddling in politics the Government would be able to do some thing to help the poor.

I do not follow all the actions of the government but it is my understanding that in spite of the various colored shirts effort to get the Government to sit on there hands they have managed to make a little progress.

I state little progress because I believe that it will take many years to raise the standards for the poor. Bit let us remember that for us 10 baht is not a big deal. But for the poor it is. Any one who says they are going to fix the disparity if they are elected should be shunned as a liar. Makes no difference who the next Government is if they are honest about eliminating the disparity between the have's and have not's they will find it is a long and slow process.

Being as this is Thailand I have a hard time saying some one with a motor bike mobile phone and a TV is a have not.

[MAJIC]

But who is the Thai Pharaoh? It is not Abhisit. The conclusion is simply that this is indeed a police state.

HOW do you come to that conclusion

carenot:

If it's not a police state now it will be, the same as England what with an English PM and all

MAGIC:

I can't wait for your next Pearls of Wisdom!

carenot:

care to elaborate

MAJIC:

Yes,

If you were here during the Red Shirts Bangkok Demonstration/ Uprising, Last Year,you would surely have noticed the lack of Police Interest in controlling Law and Order,let alone the Police State that you refer to,

That is why the Thai Government called in the Army to claim back Law and Order,which the Thai Police neglected to do.......I dont see any evidence of your claim that England is now/or will be a Police State in the future either,

perhaps you would care to elaborate now on that point,with some evidence, to back up your point?

Also, PM Abhisit has denied claims that he is English .as you stated thus : "what with an English PM and all"

Bangkok Post 08/02/2011

"While Abhisit has an automatic right to register as a British citizen as a result of being born in the UK to foreign parents before Jan 1, 1983, he has publicly stated that he has never taken up that right. In this case it is not possible for him to renounce his British citizenship. He would have to assume his British citizenship first in order to renounce it"

Edited February 11, 2011 by MAJIC

[Bagwan]

If it's not a police state now it will be, the same as England what with an English PM and all

Do you even know where England is? Are Scotland , Wales and Northern Ireland police states too? Do you know where they are? How do you explain that thousands from many oppressed parts of the World risk life and limb to enter the UK?

I suggest that you change your moniker from 'carenot' to 'knownot'.

[fasteddie]

An Australian businessman working in Bangkok, Adrian Lang, says, "Why should the Abhisit government resign? The economy here is among the best in the world."

That's precisely why Thailand deserves change. The economy here is booming and the vast majority of the people have not benefitted at all; quite the reverse, they are struggling to make their low wages stretch to the increasing cost of cooking oil and other staples.

The comparison with Tunisa and Egypt omits one huge detail. Egyptian and Tunisian Troops refused to fire on their own people. The Thai army had and has no such reservations and is completely behind the Ruling Elite. If a renegate officer (Seh Daeng) sides with the people he is assasinated.

WARNING: SHORT TERM MEMORY LOSS MAY BE AN EARLY SIGN OF ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE

Let me provide you with a few key words that may help you more accurately remember the events of April last:

Arisman -bring bottles for petrol bombs

Military commander killed

M-79 attacks

Dead and wounded soldiers

Thaksin

hospital invasion

RPG attacks

We'll burn the city

Central World

Red shirt confesses to M-79 and RPG attacks

Terrorism charges

If that doesn't burn through the fog of "thai army shoots unarmed protesters" then you should consult a doctor post haste.

WARNING! believing government propaganda is a typical sign of senile dementia!

Since I first started visiting Thailand (1966), the army has regularly used horrific violence against its own people.

[thaikahuna]

Only a foreigner with bugger all to write about before his foreign editor demands copy would surf the net, cobble together this dogs dinner of a 'story' and only a foreign owner or publisher would think he could print it, let alone sell it.

Oh... it's a Pattaya rag then.

Nothing serious then.

I'll give it a bit more credibility than the POS proffered by Howard and Neils......

[carenot]

But who is the Thai Pharaoh? It is not Abhisit. The conclusion is simply that this is indeed a police state.

HOW do you come to that conclusion

carenot:

If it's not a police state now it will be, the same as England what with an English PM and all

MAGIC:

I can't wait for your next Pearls of Wisdom!

carenot:

care to elaborate

MAJIC:

Yes,

If you were here during the Red Shirts Bangkok Demonstration/ Uprising, Last Year,you would surely have noticed the lack of Police Interest in controlling Law and Order,let alone the Police State that you refer to,

That is why the Thai Government called in the Army to claim back Law and Order,which the Thai Police neglected to do.......I dont see any evidence of your claim that England is now/or will be a Police State in the future either,

perhaps you would care to elaborate now on that point,with some evidence, to back up your point?

Also, PM Abhisit has denied claims that he is English .as you stated thus : "what with an English PM and all"

Bangkok Post 08/02/2011

"While Abhisit has an automatic right to register as a British citizen as a result of being born in the UK to foreign parents before Jan 1, 1983, he has publicly stated that he has never taken up that right. In this case it is not possible for him to renounce his British citizenship. He would have to assume his British citizenship first in order to renounce it"

Yes I was in Bangkok during the demonstrations thanks, a stones throw away as it happens

For your information one of the definitions of a police state "A police state is a political condition where the government maintains strict control over society"

So your point about the police has absolutely no bearing as the army was used to control instead.

Maybe you have been living in your ivory tower for too long if you fail to see many so called free countries the UK being one of them slowly eroding civil liberties and heading towards a police state..

He may not have taken up his right to a British passport but when your family is wealthy and has the means for you to attend schools such as Eton your nationality really does become meaningless.

He was however born and educated in England and also worked for a major part of his life in England so one has to assume that some form of indoctrination will have occurred.

Bagwan

If you have nothing constructive to say then don't say anything you make yourself look foolish.

[diehard60]

The only people in the "world" who will support Red shirts in Thailand are those who are ignorant of the facts in the country, Events in Middle East and anything happening in Thailand have no comparison.

I don't you know what you are talking about.

There hapens to be thousands of people not only in Isan but in other countries in the world that do LIKE the RED SHIRTS. The yellow shirts are the ones trying to make Thailand go to war.

I thin k you need to do some more research before you open mouth.