Red Shirt Leader Jatuporn To Reveal 'Solid Evidence' Of Abhisit's UK Citizenship

[Gonzo the Face]

Jatuporn, he will volunteer to be put in jail too

:clap2:

the sooner the better..........

I guess thats one way of stopping free speech in Thailand !

How would/could this stop free speech ????

Nobody said to gag him....[which would probably be a good idea in itself]

He most certainly would be granted free speech, just the places he could exercise his speaking and to whom, may be limited..

You know its really good this Jatuporn is a MP, cuz what could/would he possibly do to make a living if he wasn't? Maybe cook Pad Thai on TV>

Edited February 20, 2011 by Gonzo the Face

[rwhoov]

My God! The birthers have moved to Thailand!! Hasn't worked on Obama; doubt if it will work here.

It hasn't worked YET. The US Supreme Court is now considering the case.

Like I said, the birthers, one of the stupidist groups the RWN*s ever devised, have moved to Thailand. All the "evidence" the birthers have come up with was so obviously counterfeited, and you refuse to believe anything which contradicts your asinine theory, including the governor of Hawaii. So stay in your self delusional world and let the world go by. You won't be missed.

*Right Wing Nut

[nicknostitz]

I'm a bit puzzled by the 'asking wrong questions'. Reporters are supposed to do that I think. It may not always be smart to do, but that's what journalists do. In the Western world politicians and protesters have become used to the wildest accusations and keep their cool, even on a Glenn Beck rant. A language difficulty is no issue here as the lady is Thai. It reminds me of this

"We needed to have the press be our friend ... We wanted them to ask the questions we want to answer so that they report the news the way we want it to be reported."

--Sharron Angle, during an interview with Fox News Channel's Carl Cameron, Aug. 2, 2010

In a conflict situation, especially when faced and outnumbered by highly emotional people, the number one rule is to be smart. This is not the western world, by the way. And also in the western world journalists get regularly attacked for not being very smart when asking the wrong questions, or the right questions in the wrong way. It's up to anyone, but i do not provoke emotional people, and i carefully judge every situation before i act.

The situation, when the reporter was out of the protest zone, continued by her being quite angry with the France 24 team, to whom i then explained the messy situation we were in, and who then apologized to the reporter for putting her under pressure then.

This was not a situation in a studio, but a quite extreme situation on the ground.

At the time this was big media business, many journalists from all over the world came here, and most had no experience whatsoever with the situation here, were under enormous pressure by their editorial offices, gave that pressure to their fixers as well. Many professional fixers have in the last days of Ratchaprasong refused to work on the streets, to a large part due to the pressures they were put under, in addition to the dangers on the ground.

Many times in those days i have helped to defuse developing situations where mostly foreign reporters made very wrong calls of judgment. And while working, i have tried to stay as far away as i could from the rat pack of parachute journalists, except from my colleagues i have known for a long time, and who have been professional and trustworthy in their approach, such as BBC and Al Jazeera, and of course my Thai colleagues.

I would also suggest to compare the situation here ten months ago, and what happened in Egypt. There you can see that the incidents here were quite minor (apart from the incomparably high amount of killed and seriously injured journalists (of which only one serious injury of a journalist - Chandler Vaandergrift - i am aware of was committed by Red Shirt militants, the remaining incidents by the military). Just because the DSI is a bit sluggish in their investigations, all of us who were on the ground, and at the frontlines at the time know where the bullets came from.

[473geo]

No joke.....you and many other 'political' posters frequently drag topics into the tit for tat arena in which you can repeatedly throw in your biased assumptions, take topics off course, and as another poster has already stated, bring the topic around to your own agenda. As you have done now by adding yet another off topic post to the list. My following flippant remark was a vain attempt to let the matter drop and not again drag the topic into your personal agenda.....unfortunately....you continue to support my observation.......

And by your only selecting my posts for your perceived off-topic nature, show your own agenda.

There have been far greater number of off-topic posts on this thread by others, yet you focus only on mine, which is the point I was making and by your subsequent posts supports that observation.

Oh please.......you expect to widely condemn the red movement and dispense criticism with impunity?......but here you are again not discussing the real issue which are the claims by Jutaporn.

The aim of this 'revelation' is clearly to try and place Abhisit in a situation where a full uncensored explanation of events surrounding the deaths of approximately 90 people, the injuries of another...... 1900?........This has been stated on this thread previously.......so what are your observations surrounding that line of thought?.............you see I believe Abhisit was against using the troops.......where does that leave us?

Edited February 20, 2011 by 473geo

[rubl]

I'm a bit puzzled by the 'asking wrong questions'. Reporters are supposed to do that I think. It may not always be smart to do, but that's what journalists do. In the Western world politicians and protesters have become used to the wildest accusations and keep their cool, even on a Glenn Beck rant. A language difficulty is no issue here as the lady is Thai. It reminds me of this

"We needed to have the press be our friend ... We wanted them to ask the questions we want to answer so that they report the news the way we want it to be reported."

--Sharron Angle, during an interview with Fox News Channel's Carl Cameron, Aug. 2, 2010

In a conflict situation, especially when faced and outnumbered by highly emotional people, the number one rule is to be smart. This is not the western world, by the way. And also in the western world journalists get regularly attacked for not being very smart when asking the wrong questions, or the right questions in the wrong way. It's up to anyone, but i do not provoke emotional people, and i carefully judge every situation before i act.

The situation, when the reporter was out of the protest zone, continued by her being quite angry with the France 24 team, to whom i then explained the messy situation we were in, and who then apologized to the reporter for putting her under pressure then.

This was not a situation in a studio, but a quite extreme situation on the ground.

At the time this was big media business, many journalists from all over the world came here, and most had no experience whatsoever with the situation here, were under enormous pressure by their editorial offices, gave that pressure to their fixers as well. Many professional fixers have in the last days of Ratchaprasong refused to work on the streets, to a large part due to the pressures they were put under, in addition to the dangers on the ground.

Many times in those days i have helped to defuse developing situations where mostly foreign reporters made very wrong calls of judgment. And while working, i have tried to stay as far away as i could from the rat pack of parachute journalists, except from my colleagues i have known for a long time, and who have been professional and trustworthy in their approach, such as BBC and Al Jazeera, and of course my Thai colleagues.

I would also suggest to compare the situation here ten months ago, and what happened in Egypt. There you can see that the incidents here were quite minor (apart from the incomparably high amount of killed and seriously injured journalists (of which only one serious injury of a journalist - Chandler Vaandergrift - i am aware of was committed by Red Shirt militants, the remaining incidents by the military). Just because the DSI is a bit sluggish in their investigations, all of us who were on the ground, and at the frontlines at the time know where the bullets came from.

Incomparably high amount of killed journalists? Two over a period of two months with 'parachute journalists' and asking wrong questions? Be careful, before you know it you say it was their own fault being shot.

I agree the DSI is a bit sluggish, but they also deal with 90 deaths (about 12 soldiers and police amongst them) and have a need to be legally correct in their statements. I have read you were there, but lots of other people just say 'I've seen it with my own eyes', like Robert A. in his UDD video address on the 13th of this month:

"Firstly, I personally witnessed the horrors in Bangkok last May and was determined to record the carnage."

[hammered]

I seriously doubt Abhisit has ever renounced UK citizenship as it requires jumping through a few hopps and even then it is questionable as to whether it has been legally renounced. Who knows what the IC will make of it, but that right now is not the main point. There is an election approaching and Jatuporns job has to be seen in that context. Another aspect is that street rallies are fashionable right now and to think it hasnt crossed the red leaderships mind to coatail Egypt and Bahrain etc would be silly. It is unlikely though that Thailand will see the almost leaderless arab style uprisings as even Sombat claims the red shirts are all top down. There just hasnt been enough oppression in Thailand by anyone internally or externally to see the arab style rebellions

It will be getting hotter. An election is a chance for one side to send the other down for an eight count if not more, so neither can afford defeat. Be cynical to see what is happening

[rubl]

begin removed

.......where does that leave us?

Back to the OP: 'Thailand ruled by British oppressor'

Edited February 20, 2011 by rubl

[hammered]

I'm a bit puzzled by the 'asking wrong questions'. Reporters are supposed to do that I think. It may not always be smart to do, but that's what journalists do. In the Western world politicians and protesters have become used to the wildest accusations and keep their cool, even on a Glenn Beck rant. A language difficulty is no issue here as the lady is Thai. It reminds me of this

"We needed to have the press be our friend ... We wanted them to ask the questions we want to answer so that they report the news the way we want it to be reported."

--Sharron Angle, during an interview with Fox News Channel's Carl Cameron, Aug. 2, 2010

In a conflict situation, especially when faced and outnumbered by highly emotional people, the number one rule is to be smart. This is not the western world, by the way. And also in the western world journalists get regularly attacked for not being very smart when asking the wrong questions, or the right questions in the wrong way. It's up to anyone, but i do not provoke emotional people, and i carefully judge every situation before i act.

The situation, when the reporter was out of the protest zone, continued by her being quite angry with the France 24 team, to whom i then explained the messy situation we were in, and who then apologized to the reporter for putting her under pressure then.

This was not a situation in a studio, but a quite extreme situation on the ground.

At the time this was big media business, many journalists from all over the world came here, and most had no experience whatsoever with the situation here, were under enormous pressure by their editorial offices, gave that pressure to their fixers as well. Many professional fixers have in the last days of Ratchaprasong refused to work on the streets, to a large part due to the pressures they were put under, in addition to the dangers on the ground.

Many times in those days i have helped to defuse developing situations where mostly foreign reporters made very wrong calls of judgment. And while working, i have tried to stay as far away as i could from the rat pack of parachute journalists, except from my colleagues i have known for a long time, and who have been professional and trustworthy in their approach, such as BBC and Al Jazeera, and of course my Thai colleagues.

I would also suggest to compare the situation here ten months ago, and what happened in Egypt. There you can see that the incidents here were quite minor (apart from the incomparably high amount of killed and seriously injured journalists (of which only one serious injury of a journalist - Chandler Vaandergrift - i am aware of was committed by Red Shirt militants, the remaining incidents by the military). Just because the DSI is a bit sluggish in their investigations, all of us who were on the ground, and at the frontlines at the time know where the bullets came from.

Incomparably high amount of killed journalists? Two over a period of two months with 'parachute journalists' and asking wrong questions? Be careful, before you know it you say it was their own fault being shot.

I agree the DSI is a bit sluggish, but they also deal with 90 deaths (about 12 soldiers and police amongst them) and have a need to be legally correct in their statements. I have read you were there, but lots of other people just say 'I've seen it with my own eyes', like Robert A. in his UDD video address on the 13th of this month:

"Firstly, I personally witnessed the horrors in Bangkok last May and was determined to record the carnage."

The DSI have said some deaths were caused by state actors which has not made the military happy. They have also probably identified all of the deaths down to the red shirts by this time, so those remaining will likley fall into the state actors column imho. However, they are assigning blame to state as well as reds, and a functioning internal investigation is reason for the international court to say leave it to the country involved.

It is a shame that nobody gives a toss about the 2500 innocents slaughtered a few years back by the employer of Amsterdam. Still the poor have never counted in Thailand so it is no surprise. That is the most irksome thing about the whole poltical game: that it is about poltics and rich powerful people and not about normal people. Where in the world do as many people massacred as Pinochet managed (according to the ZRestig report) just not matter?

[Buchholz]

No joke.....you and many other 'political' posters frequently drag topics into the tit for tat arena in which you can repeatedly throw in your biased assumptions, take topics off course, and as another poster has already stated, bring the topic around to your own agenda. As you have done now by adding yet another off topic post to the list. My following flippant remark was a vain attempt to let the matter drop and not again drag the topic into your personal agenda.....unfortunately....you continue to support my observation.......

And by your only selecting my posts for your perceived off-topic nature, show your own agenda.

There have been far greater number of off-topic posts on this thread by others, yet you focus only on mine, which is the point I was making and by your subsequent posts supports that observation.

Oh please.......you expect to widely condemn the red movement and dispense criticism with impunity?......but here you are again not discussing the real issue which are the claims by Jutaporn.

The aim of this 'revelation' is clearly to try and place Abhisit in a situation where a full uncensored explanation of events surrounding the deaths of approximately 90 people, the injuries of another...... 1900?........This has been stated on this thread previously.......so what are your observations surrounding that line of thought?.............you see I believe Abhisit was against using the troops.......where does that leave us?

Apparently, you've forgotten what started all this.

I posted a brief and informative post on the incorrectness of writing Taksin instead of the proper Thaksin and you referred to as being off-topic.

I asked why you didn't say the same of the many other other lengthier, off-topic posts.

Rather than answer your new questions above, which are off-topic, along with almost all the other recent posts regarding shootings from 9 months ago and journalists responses to the Red Shirt mobs on this thread,

I'll wait for a more on-topic question.

Edited February 20, 2011 by Buchholz

[nicknostitz]

I'm a bit puzzled by the 'asking wrong questions'. Reporters are supposed to do that I think. It may not always be smart to do, but that's what journalists do. In the Western world politicians and protesters have become used to the wildest accusations and keep their cool, even on a Glenn Beck rant. A language difficulty is no issue here as the lady is Thai. It reminds me of this

"We needed to have the press be our friend ... We wanted them to ask the questions we want to answer so that they report the news the way we want it to be reported."

--Sharron Angle, during an interview with Fox News Channel's Carl Cameron, Aug. 2, 2010

In a conflict situation, especially when faced and outnumbered by highly emotional people, the number one rule is to be smart. This is not the western world, by the way. And also in the western world journalists get regularly attacked for not being very smart when asking the wrong questions, or the right questions in the wrong way. It's up to anyone, but i do not provoke emotional people, and i carefully judge every situation before i act.

The situation, when the reporter was out of the protest zone, continued by her being quite angry with the France 24 team, to whom i then explained the messy situation we were in, and who then apologized to the reporter for putting her under pressure then.

This was not a situation in a studio, but a quite extreme situation on the ground.

At the time this was big media business, many journalists from all over the world came here, and most had no experience whatsoever with the situation here, were under enormous pressure by their editorial offices, gave that pressure to their fixers as well. Many professional fixers have in the last days of Ratchaprasong refused to work on the streets, to a large part due to the pressures they were put under, in addition to the dangers on the ground.

Many times in those days i have helped to defuse developing situations where mostly foreign reporters made very wrong calls of judgment. And while working, i have tried to stay as far away as i could from the rat pack of parachute journalists, except from my colleagues i have known for a long time, and who have been professional and trustworthy in their approach, such as BBC and Al Jazeera, and of course my Thai colleagues.

I would also suggest to compare the situation here ten months ago, and what happened in Egypt. There you can see that the incidents here were quite minor (apart from the incomparably high amount of killed and seriously injured journalists (of which only one serious injury of a journalist - Chandler Vaandergrift - i am aware of was committed by Red Shirt militants, the remaining incidents by the military). Just because the DSI is a bit sluggish in their investigations, all of us who were on the ground, and at the frontlines at the time know where the bullets came from.

Incomparably high amount of killed journalists? Two over a period of two months with 'parachute journalists' and asking wrong questions? Be careful, before you know it you say it was their own fault being shot.

I agree the DSI is a bit sluggish, but they also deal with 90 deaths (about 12 soldiers and police amongst them) and have a need to be legally correct in their statements. I have read you were there, but lots of other people just say 'I've seen it with my own eyes', like Robert A. in his UDD video address on the 13th of this month:

"Firstly, I personally witnessed the horrors in Bangkok last May and was determined to record the carnage."

Yes, incomparably high amount of killed and seriously injured journalists.

Not "two months", but only a few occasions where deadly weapons were used during confrontations - one night of clashes on April 10, one afternoon at Vibhavadi Rangsit Rd (no journalist victim), and 6 days of mayhem in May.

I do not state that it was the fault of journalists that they were killed. I state though that some of us made wrong calls, and were too careless. I have my own problems with my profession, and at times our lack of proper conduct and self criticism. But discussing this here would lead to far.

I will not yet go into the the DSI issue, as it is not over yet. But suffice to say that some of the actions of the DSI are highly questionable, while during other investigations the investigators did a good job.

Amsterdam does what he does. I am not him, i am neither lobbyist nor lawyer. I am not hired by neither the Red Shirts nor the state, and keep my independence. In my case, i believe that there is more than ample evidence in video and photo that i was indeed where i claim to have been.

[Oberkommando]

There just hasnt been enough oppression in Thailand by anyone internally or externally to see the arab style rebellions

Oh there's been plenty, they just worship then blindly follow the ones doing it, just as they worshipped Thaksin and indeed some still do.

Slowly, they're wakening up to it now, but they're in a state of confusion about it all.

It's a real shock to find out that the whole thing is a myth and you've been duped and you've been lied to all your life, and that what you are is a product of all these lies, of the greed and of the myths.

There's also the resentment of accepting these facts, Thais with one of the lowest average IQs on the planet are not best educated thus will inevitably react with violence and anger to reality as we have seen many time through the previous years.

[Oberkommando]

Not "two months", but only a few occasions where deadly weapons were used during confrontations - one night of clashes on April 10, one afternoon at Vibhavadi Rangsit Rd (no journalist victim), and 6 days of mayhem in May.

Does that include the occasions where the government lied and said no live ammo was being used yet M16's were being fired on protesters without muzzle suppressors, meaning live ammo must have been used?

Let's face it, they were caught lying right to the end until the evidence was on YouTube then they started mumbling some weak retraction before finally being forced to admit soldiers used live ammo.

Pathetic.

[nicknostitz]

It is a shame that nobody gives a toss about the 2500 innocents slaughtered a few years back by the employer of Amsterdam. Still the poor have never counted in Thailand so it is no surprise. That is the most irksome thing about the whole poltical game: that it is about poltics and rich powerful people and not about normal people. Where in the world do as many people massacred as Pinochet managed (according to the ZRestig report) just not matter?

That is not fair to say.

There are more than a few people who "give a toss". You know the reasons of the futility of bringing this topic up more than well, and why anyone with a genuine interest in that subject matter can't say much about it. And i do not mean here drawing political gain by shifting all guilt to Thaksin while conveniently leaving the more disturbing and uncomfortable aspects out of the discussion. If the drug war deaths are talked about all aspects have to be discussed, which at the present time is not possible.

[rubl]

Yes, incomparably high amount of killed and seriously injured journalists.

Not "two months", but only a few occasions where deadly weapons were used during confrontations - one night of clashes on April 10, one afternoon at Vibhavadi Rangsit Rd (no journalist victim), and 6 days of mayhem in May.

I do not state that it was the fault of journalists that they were killed. I state though that some of us made wrong calls, and were too careless. I have my own problems with my profession, and at times our lack of proper conduct and self criticism. But discussing this here would lead to far.

I will not yet go into the the DSI issue, as it is not over yet. But suffice to say that some of the actions of the DSI are highly questionable, while during other investigations the investigators did a good job.

Amsterdam does what he does. I am not him, i am neither lobbyist nor lawyer. I am not hired by neither the Red Shirts nor the state, and keep my independence. In my case, i believe that there is more than ample evidence in video and photo that i was indeed where i claim to have been.

Again with journalists and reporters 'running loose', pointing 'things' at armed people (army, militants, etc.) two deaths in about 8 days is not incomparably high in my opinion. Those days also same 40 or so other deaths, many who really were collateral damage, or grenade casulties.

For the record I'm not questioning your integrity.

Now back to the OP 'Thailand ruled by British oppressor'

[nicknostitz]

Not "two months", but only a few occasions where deadly weapons were used during confrontations - one night of clashes on April 10, one afternoon at Vibhavadi Rangsit Rd (no journalist victim), and 6 days of mayhem in May.

Does that include the occasions where the government lied and said no live ammo was being used yet M16's were being fired on protesters without muzzle suppressors, meaning live ammo must have been used?

Let's face it, they were caught lying right to the end until the evidence was on YouTube then they started mumbling some weak retraction before finally being forced to admit soldiers used live ammo.

Pathetic.

In public the government and the military have never admitted that a single dead protester, journalist or bystander was on account of shootings by the security forces. Their inane line of argumentation is that all dead were killed by Red Shirt militants.

[473geo]

No joke.....you and many other 'political' posters frequently drag topics into the tit for tat arena in which you can repeatedly throw in your biased assumptions, take topics off course, and as another poster has already stated, bring the topic around to your own agenda. As you have done now by adding yet another off topic post to the list. My following flippant remark was a vain attempt to let the matter drop and not again drag the topic into your personal agenda.....unfortunately....you continue to support my observation.......

And by your only selecting my posts for your perceived off-topic nature, show your own agenda.

There have been far greater number of off-topic posts on this thread by others, yet you focus only on mine, which is the point I was making and by your subsequent posts supports that observation.

Oh please.......you expect to widely condemn the red movement and dispense criticism with impunity?......but here you are again not discussing the real issue which are the claims by Jutaporn.

The aim of this 'revelation' is clearly to try and place Abhisit in a situation where a full uncensored explanation of events surrounding the deaths of approximately 90 people, the injuries of another...... 1900?........This has been stated on this thread previously.......so what are your observations surrounding that line of thought?.............you see I believe Abhisit was against using the troops.......where does that leave us?

Apparently, you've forgotten what started all this.

I posted a brief and informative post on the incorrectness of writing Taksin instead of the proper Thaksin and you referred to as being off-topic.

I asked why you didn't say the same of the many other other lengthier, off-topic posts.

Rather than answer your new questions above, which are off-topic, along with almost all the other recent posts regarding shootings from 9 months ago and journalists responses to the Red Shirt mobs on this thread,

I'll wait for a more on-topic question.

There is nothing more to say.........I let you have the last word.....while you try to repair your bruised ego..

[Buchholz]

Apparently, you've forgotten what started all this.

There is nothing more to say

I agree

[whybother]

<snip>

Jatuporn has yesterday shown and distributed to the media Abhisit's copies of Abhisit's birth certificate from Newcastle, which, as far as i understand the matter, shows that he was entitled to an automatic British citizenship, unless Abhsist has actively renounced it. Which, again, only concerns the ICC case primarily. But as i am not a legal expert, we may have to wait for what legal experts will have to say about this, before we can judge this.

Is that the "solid proof" that Abhisit DOES have British citizenship?

As far as I know, no one was denying that Abhisit was born in Britain, or that he was entitled to British citizenship by being born there to non-diplomatic parents.

It's still not solid proof that Abhisit IS a British citizen.

[rubl]

Not "two months", but only a few occasions where deadly weapons were used during confrontations - one night of clashes on April 10, one afternoon at Vibhavadi Rangsit Rd (no journalist victim), and 6 days of mayhem in May.

Does that include the occasions where the government lied and said no live ammo was being used yet M16's were being fired on protesters without muzzle suppressors, meaning live ammo must have been used?

Let's face it, they were caught lying right to the end until the evidence was on YouTube then they started mumbling some weak retraction before finally being forced to admit soldiers used live ammo.

Pathetic.

Does that include the 60+ grenades lobbed on army, police and innocent non-red bystanders, Pathetic for sure.

Now back to the OP "Thailand ruled by British oppressor'

[Oberkommando]

In public the government and the military have never admitted that a single dead protester, journalist or bystander was on account of shootings by the security forces. Their inane line of argumentation is that all dead were killed by Red Shirt militants.

Unbelievable.

I heard yesterday that Seh Daeng's daughter, who interestingly is herself a yellow shirt, saying her father was shot by red militants because of what he knew about Thaksin.

I just thought to myself if she truly believes that there's no hope for this country.

[nicknostitz]

<snip>

Jatuporn has yesterday shown and distributed to the media Abhisit's copies of Abhisit's birth certificate from Newcastle, which, as far as i understand the matter, shows that he was entitled to an automatic British citizenship, unless Abhsist has actively renounced it. Which, again, only concerns the ICC case primarily. But as i am not a legal expert, we may have to wait for what legal experts will have to say about this, before we can judge this.

Is that the "solid proof" that Abhisit DOES have British citizenship?

As far as I know, no one was denying that Abhisit was born in Britain, or that he was entitled to British citizenship by being born there to non-diplomatic parents.

It's still not solid proof that Abhisit IS a British citizen.

What do i know? I just said what was presented. I am not a legal expert. From what in understand is that at the time being born in the UK meant an automatic citizenship, which would have to be renounced.

I guess we have to wait for either the UK stating that Abhisit is not a British citizen, or that Abhisit shows that he renounced his citizenship.

[nicknostitz]

In public the government and the military have never admitted that a single dead protester, journalist or bystander was on account of shootings by the security forces. Their inane line of argumentation is that all dead were killed by Red Shirt militants.

Unbelievable.

I heard yesterday that Seh Daeng's daughter, who interestingly is herself a yellow shirt, saying her father was shot by red militants because of what he knew about Thaksin.

I just thought to myself if she truly believes that there's no hope for this country.

Sae Daeng's daughter hasn't been a yellow shirt for quite some time. After her father's death, she began to support the Red Shirt movement, and was yesterday for the first time on a UDD stage, where she briefly addressed the crowd.

[Oberkommando]

Does that include the 60+ grenades lobbed on army, police and innocent non-red bystanders, Pathetic for sure.

Shooting peaceful protesters with live rounds and they respond using weapons of their own complete non-shock.

[Oberkommando]

Sae Daeng's daughter hasn't been a yellow shirt for quite some time. After her father's death, she began to support the Red Shirt movement, and was yesterday for the first time on a UDD stage, where she briefly addressed the crowd.

My g/f is badly misinformed then. No surprise there.

[rixalex]

I heard yesterday that Seh Daeng's daughter, who interestingly is herself a yellow shirt, saying her father was shot by red militants because of what he knew about Thaksin.

I just thought to myself if she truly believes that there's no hope for this country.

My understanding was that a number of years ago she attended a PAD rally. I don't think that act alone makes someone a yellow shirt. Pledging allegiance or support might.

[nicknostitz]

Does that include the 60+ grenades lobbed on army, police and innocent non-red bystanders, Pathetic for sure.

Now back to the OP "Thailand ruled by British oppressor'

The incident of the "non-red bystanders" was a grenade lobbed at PAD protesters under the mantle of "multi-coloreds", or "Silom People", yet with an overwhelming strong presence of hardcore PAD guards and protesters at Silom (i have photos, and have photos of the same people during PAD rallies). You should ask the question why for three days these protesters were let through the military lines by the soldiers so they can protest directly at the Red Shirt barricades. In every such situation security forces should attempt to keep protesters of opposing sides away from each other. Why did this not happen then and there?

[nicknostitz]

I heard yesterday that Seh Daeng's daughter, who interestingly is herself a yellow shirt, saying her father was shot by red militants because of what he knew about Thaksin.

I just thought to myself if she truly believes that there's no hope for this country.

My understanding was that a number of years ago she attended a PAD rally. I don't think that act alone makes someone a yellow shirt. Pledging allegiance or support might.

She attended many PAD rallies. In her social class it was quite fashionable to be seen at PAD rallies at the time, and to support the PAD. When she came out as a Red Shirt she has lost many former friends, which was very difficult for her.

[jayjay0]

No joke.....you and many other 'political' posters frequently drag topics into the tit for tat arena in which you can repeatedly throw in your biased assumptions, take topics off course, and as another poster has already stated, bring the topic around to your own agenda. As you have done now by adding yet another off topic post to the list. My following flippant remark was a vain attempt to let the matter drop and not again drag the topic into your personal agenda.....unfortunately....you continue to support my observation.......

And by your only selecting my posts for your perceived off-topic nature, show your own agenda.

There have been far greater number of off-topic posts on this thread by others, yet you focus only on mine, which is the point I was making and by your subsequent posts supports that observation.

Oh please.......you expect to widely condemn the red movement and dispense criticism with impunity?......but here you are again not discussing the real issue which are the claims by Jutaporn.

The aim of this 'revelation' is clearly to try and place Abhisit in a situation where a full uncensored explanation of events surrounding the deaths of approximately 90 people, the injuries of another...... 1900?........This has been stated on this thread previously.......so what are your observations surrounding that line of thought?.............you see I believe Abhisit was against using the troops.......where does that leave us?

Not only are you two clowns off topic but you are boring. You are talking about some thing that is over and done with. U tube shows what happened for the most part and red shirt supporters are upset that people are not being persecuted for there part in freeing Bangkok from a group of armed behind the barricades (with as kid on top of them) for protection peaceful protesters earning a pay check for there civil disobedience. We wont talk about the rockets into innocent crowds or hospital invasions. Oops almost forgot ignorant attempt to burn Bangkok down.

That does not even take into account the income lost by thousands of honest citizen's.

As I said you are both boring. Get a life or open up a thread where the topic is stupidity. You can carry on and when you get it sorted out you can tackle the Egypt problem.

This is not aimed only at you two. It is aimed at all the people carrying on about the red shirt paid holiday.:jap:

[timekeeper]

It is now Sunday morning and I cannot find any news about the "solid evidence".

As this is one of the very few remaining on-topic posts, the "solid evidence" was a copy of Abhisit's birth certificate that Amsterdam obtained for the Red Shirts money-man. Astounding proof, eh?

Amsterdam went to England and got a copy of Abhisit's birth certificate which proves that he was born a British citizen," UDD leader Jatuporn Prompang told a gathering of more than 10,000 red-shirted followers.

Amsterdam was hired by fugitive former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, the de facto leader of the Puea Thai opposition party and the money-man behind the UDD, also called red shirts for their preferred protest garb.

DPA

http://www.earthtime...is-british.html

and this is the startling news?

he only need to look at Wikipedia to find out Abhisit was born in UK of Thai parents

whatever next?

looking in the USA for other prominent Thai citizens birth certificates to establish if they too are really Thai and can hold a senior position?

its disgusting, underhanded political maneuvering from the sleaze lawyer and his criminal master

[rixalex]

The incident of the "non-red bystanders" was a grenade lobbed at PAD protesters under the mantle of "multi-coloreds", or "Silom People", yet with an overwhelming strong presence of hardcore PAD guards and protesters at Silom (i have photos, and have photos of the same people during PAD rallies). You should ask the question why for three days these protesters were let through the military lines by the soldiers so they can protest directly at the Red Shirt barricades. In every such situation security forces should attempt to keep protesters of opposing sides away from each other. Why did this not happen then and there?

Seeing as the security forces were useless in terms of controlling the red protesters, what makes you think they were capable of controlling any other group?