Meltdown Likely Under Way At Japan Nuclear Reactor

[elcent]

The N baby's leaking and leaking. Debris of the Tsunami destroyed parts are floating to the US coast now. The US goverment resists to check fish for radiation.

(Reuters) - Tons of radioactive water were discovered on Tuesday to have leaked into the ground from Japan's Fukushima nuclear plant, the latest in a series of leaks at the plant damaged in a March earthquake and tsunami, the country's nuclear watchdog said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/28/us-japan-nuclear-idUSTRE75Q1EV20110628

[elcent]

here we go, NOW blame the people themselves

Commenting on 6 other nuclear reactors in Fukushima Prefecture whose fate remains in limbo, Nishizawa said the reactors wouldn't exist without consent of the local people. The 4 crippled reactors at the plant are to be decommissioned.

He also said cost-cutting, sales of the firm's assets and other drastic streamlining measures will proceed before utility charges are raised. http://www3.nhk.or.j...lish/28_37.html

Edited June 28, 2011 by elcent

[Scott]

More posts have been edited for fair use. DO NOT POST MORE THAN 3 SENTENCES TO AN ARTICLE, THEN POST A LINK TO THE REMAINDER OF THE STORY.

Further posts violating the rule will be deleted.

[elcent]

here we go, NOW blame the people themselves

Commenting on 6 other nuclear reactors in Fukushima Prefecture whose fate remains in limbo, Nishizawa said the reactors wouldn't exist without consent of the local people. The 4 crippled reactors at the plant are to be decommissioned.

He also said cost-cutting, sales of the firm's assets and other drastic streamlining measures will proceed before utility charges are raised. http://www3.nhk.or.j...lish/28_37.html

... additional to the quoted post above a very interesting observation from the Omah Nebraska issue, basically the same conclusion: "Do what you want, it's up to you now" was the remark of those who are responsible for security and safety.

http://static.4share...ays%22%20%2F%3E

[elcent]

Circulation cooling system hits another snag

The newly installed reactor-cooling system at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has suffered another problem, as its water treatment equipment has stopped.

The system that decontaminates and re-uses radioactive water from the facilities is believed to be the key to the stable cooling of the reactors.

But Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, says the decontamination equipment stopped automatically on Thursday afternoon when the alarm went off.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/30_30.html

[elcent]

Radiation detected in Fukushima children's urine

A group of Japanese citizens says radioactive materials have been detected in urine of 10 children in Fukushima Prefecture, where the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is located.

The Fukushima Network for Saving Children from Radiation collected urine samples from 10 elementary to high school students in the prefecture's capital Fukushima City. The samples were analyzed by a French research organization.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/30_35.html

Then it goes on with "not dangerous" bla bla bla ...

... the long time damage in very small amounts of radiation can often be seen in the next generation though ... when there's a small amount in the urin then there must be a higher amount of the same elsewhere in the body.

[JetsetBkk]

it's getting out of hands in the USA too ...

Los Alamos <snip>

Another nuke related story ...

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A 93 square mile wildfire has approached the perimeter of the Los Alamos

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Any chance of this thread getting back on track?

[Scott]

Since you have requested that the thread get back on track, I will moderate it a little more closely. We will stick to the topic of of the Fukushima plant and forgo some of the other issues surrounding other plants.

[ronz28]

TEPCO admits to double the release of radiation than earlier estimates and radiation fallout in far away places like Seattle is a concern to health. Change your home and auto air filters but wear protective gear.

http://www.fairewinds.com/

[elcent]

... quite revealing, isn't it?

Just 48 hours after the onset of the Fukushima nuclear disaster in Japan, the British government devised a propaganda campaign to downplay the severity of the crisis, a talking point that was hastily parroted by leading global warming alarmist George Monbiot.

BRITISCH GOVERNEMENT DIVISED PROPAGANDA CAMPAIGN TO DOWNPLAY FUKUSHIMA!

"Internal emails seen by the Guardian show how the business and energy departments worked closely behind the scenes with the multinational companies EDF Energy, Areva and Westinghouse to try to ensure the accident did not derail their plans for a new generation of nuclear stations in the UK," reports Rob Edwards.

Reactors number 1 was also in meltdown just hours into the disaster, but this was denied for months by the authorities.

[maidu]

All vested interests in nuclear, whether gov't or biz or personal, have been very busy trying to downplay the extent of the disaster. It's like when a mother gets word that one of her sons has been arrested for murder. Without hesitation, that woman will say something like; "Oh, my little Jimmy has always been a good boy. He could never go and do something so bad." When Jimmy is convicted of his crime, the same mother will go on to insist that her other boys could never do anything so bad.

[ScubaBuddha]

All vested interests in nuclear, whether gov't or biz or personal, have been very busy trying to downplay the extent of the disaster. It's like when a mother gets word that one of her sons has been arrested for murder. Without hesitation, that woman will say something like; "Oh, my little Jimmy has always been a good boy. He could never go and do something so bad." When Jimmy is convicted of his crime, the same mother will go on to insist that her other boys could never do anything so bad.

My only vested interest is reality.

People turn to their governments for answers in times like these. Governments have launched campaigns to inform the public, (called a propaganda campaign by some) to prevent irrational fear and panic, the real enemy here.

[ScubaBuddha]

Radiation detected in Fukushima children's urine

A group of Japanese citizens says radioactive materials have been detected in urine of 10 children in Fukushima Prefecture, where the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is located.

The Fukushima Network for Saving Children from Radiation collected urine samples from 10 elementary to high school students in the prefecture's capital Fukushima City. The samples were analyzed by a French research organization.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/30_35.html

Then it goes on with "not dangerous" bla bla bla ...

... the long time damage in very small amounts of radiation can often be seen in the next generation though ... when there's a small amount in the urin then there must be a higher amount of the same elsewhere in the body.

And there lies the rub. People like you with absolutely no understanding of a topic dismissing the the important stuff with a "bla bla bla..." Because you don't understand it, you must fear it. Human nature, unfortunately, does not always lend itself well to rational debate.

Edited July 5, 2011 by ScubaBuddha

[elcent]

Japan's waking up to reality.

4 local governments seek to scrap nuclear plants

An NHK survey of local governments with nuclear power plants has found that 4 of 28 respondents are ready to break with nuclear energy.

Last week, NHK asked local governments with nuclear plants, except those in Fukushima Prefecture, how their thinking about the plants has changed since the Fukushima Daiichi crisis began.

Of the 28 prefectures and municipalities that responded, 15 said they could not make an immediate decision on whether to pursue closure of their plants.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/05_28.html

interesting development ... and even Germany made sure last week not to go along with nuclear energy. All plants will be decomissioned. Italy will be next.

[elcent]

<H1>Fukushima residents dump radiated soil in absence of plan

FUKUSHIMA, Japan (Reuters) - They scoop up soil from their gardens and dump it in holes dug out in parks and nearby forests, scrub their roofs with soap and refuse to let their children play outside.

More than three months after a massive earthquake and tsunami triggered a nuclear meltdown at a nearby power plant, Fukushima residents are scrambling to cope with contamination on their own in the absence of a long-term plan from the government. http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE76408R20110705

... so far to government care ...</H1>

[metisdead]

Comments on "Meltdown underway at Japan Nuclear Reactor" would be on-topic to this thread, while discussion of possible nuclear meltdowns in other countries would be other topics of discussion. Let's keep the current discussion to the disaster in Japan.

[maidu]

All vested interests in nuclear, whether gov't or biz or personal, have been very busy trying to downplay the extent of the disaster. It's like when a mother gets word that one of her sons has been arrested for murder. Without hesitation, that woman will say something like; "Oh, my little Jimmy has always been a good boy. He could never go and do something so bad." When Jimmy is convicted of his crime, the same mother will go on to insist that her other boys could never do anything so bad.

My only vested interest is reality.

People turn to their governments for answers in times like these. Governments have launched campaigns to inform the public, (called a propaganda campaign by some) to prevent irrational fear and panic, the real enemy here.

Fear can be overamped, fersure. But fear can also yield smart precautions. If my neighbor has a house with a wooden porch projecting over dry weeds, a healthy fear of fire can compel him to clear the weeds away, and may prevent his house from burning down. If another neighbor fears an open-topped water holding tank might compromise the purity of her water supply, then placing a good lid on there will likely preclude sickness in her house.

Government campaigns have a history of untrue claims. I know of two governments which criminalize hemp, can u guess which they are? Yup, the US and Thailand.

There hasn't been any panic in regard to Fukushima (kudos to the Japanese populace), but I see a groundswell there of well-thought-out revulsion for nuclear plants. Same same in parts of Europe. Many cities in N.America already gave a healthy aversion to nuclear, and have made it clear in their respective laws (i.e. no nuclear fuel or radioactive substances allowed to be shipped within their districts).

Some of us residing in Thailand are waiting for the same sorts of wise declarations be instated here.

[elcent]

Radiation detected in Fukushima children's urine

A group of Japanese citizens says radioactive materials have been detected in urine of 10 children in Fukushima Prefecture, where the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is located.

The Fukushima Network for Saving Children from Radiation collected urine samples from 10 elementary to high school students in the prefecture's capital Fukushima City. The samples were analyzed by a French research organization.

http://www3.nhk.or.j...lish/30_35.html

Then it goes on with "not dangerous" bla bla bla ...

... the long time damage in very small amounts of radiation can often be seen in the next generation though ... when there's a small amount in the urin then there must be a higher amount of the same elsewhere in the body.

And there lies the rub. People like you with absolutely no understanding of a topic dismissing the the important stuff with a "bla bla bla..." Because you don't understand it, you must fear it. Human nature, unfortunately, does not always lend itself well to rational debate.

... is that topic related now?" I have posted from the very begginning that we'll receive the truth in parts and proven countless times that we're played all along. This has nothing to do with a caring government. And to wait until people there and elsewhere grow six legs and five arms is not my aim.

[elcent]

About 45 per cent of children in Fukushima prefecture experienced thyroid exposure to radiation after the nuclear power there was damaged in March, officials said Tuesday.

But the results were not high enough to require further examination, the Nuclear Safety Commission said.

In late March, local and central governments carried out the survey on 1,080 children under the age of 15 in areas near the damaged Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station after the crisis.

The group detected as much as 931,000 becquerels per square metre at one location, above the 555,000-becquerel limit for compulsory resettlement in the Chernobyl disaster. Samples from the other three locations measured between 326,000 and 384,000 becquerels per square metre, Kyodo reported. - DPA http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article2161471.ece

[maidu]

Nearly 1 million becquerels per square meter sounds daunting. How do you clean up poison like that? Radiation on the soil, in the oceans, in the air, in animals, in people, in food, in women's' wombs. Radiation has no prejudice, it gets in to everything, dead or living. Yet still, there are apologists for nuclear power plants who will bend over backwards, or bury skeptics (like myself) with cavalcade of words or derogatory appellations - because they see their footing crumbling.

Because the costs for clean-up are near limitless, how can anyone still claim that nuclear is cheaper than other types of power generation. Granted, fossil fuels have clean-up costs (and arguably contribute to global warming), but fossils are nowhere as insidious as the costs of trying to clean quadrillions of becquerels seeping in to every nook and cranny within irradiated zones ......zones which stretch across the Pacific to who knows where.

[ronz28]

5.6 Quake strikes again near Fukushima.

http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/176506/20110708/japan-earthquake-hits-fukushima-s-region.htm

[ronz28]

Decades to clean up???? Well I hope they plan to stop spewing radiation all over the air, oceans, underground fresh water supplies and the rest of the planet a lot sooner than that. Otherwise, I think the rest of people on earth need to get on them like white on rice.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/09/us-japan-nuclear-hosono-idUSTRE7680Z520110709

[elcent]

High levels of caesium found in Fukushima beef(AFP) – 10 hours ago

TOKYO — More than six times the legal limit of radioactive caesium has been found in beef from Fukushima prefecture, home to Japan's crippled nuclear plant, according to an official statement.

The meat was taken from one of 11 cows shipped to Tokyo from a farmer in Minamisoma city, according to the statement by the Tokyo metropolitan government released on Saturday.

The 11 cows all showed high levels of radioactive caesium, ranging from 1,530 to 3,200 becquerels per kilogram, compared with the legal limit of 500 becquerels, the Tokyo statement said. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g8uKqhfairgEGRK0-eGbMAEFUffA?docId=CNG.46547c5840254c39493e7d01c69fee4d.7b1

[JetsetBkk]

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5.6 Quake strikes again near Fukushima.

http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/176506/20110708/japan-earthquake-hits-fukushima-s-region.htm

7.0 Mw - OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN

Preliminary Earthquake Report Magnitude 7.0 Mw

Date-Time 10 Jul 2011 00:57:12 UTC

10 Jul 2011 10:57:12 near epicenter

10 Jul 2011 07:57:12 standard time in your timezone

Location 38.040N 143.287E

Depth 34 km

Distances 212 km (131 miles) E (96 degrees) of Sendai, Honshu, Japan

237 km (147 miles) ENE (62 degrees) of Iwaki, Honshu, Japan

250 km (155 miles) E (81 degrees) of Fukushima, Honshu, Japan

411 km (255 miles) NE (49 degrees) of TOKYO, Japan

Location Uncertainty Horizontal: 14.1 km; Vertical 4.2 km

Parameters Nph = 311; Dmin = 441.9 km; Rmss = 0.80 seconds; Gp = 32°

M-type = Mw; Version = 9

Event ID US c0004sg6

For updates, maps, and technical information, see:

Event Page

or

USGS Earthquake Hazards Program

National Earthquake Information Center

U.S. Geological Survey

http://neic.usgs.gov/

Edited July 10, 2011 by JetsetBkk

[elcent]

Cattle farm inspected for radiation-tainted beef

Fukushima prefectural officials have started an inspection of a cattle farm in Minami-Souma city. Radioactive cesium surpassing the government's safe limits was detected in cattle shipped from the farm.1,530 to 3,200 becquerels of radioactive cesium per 1 kilogram was detected in 11 head of cattle carried to a meat processing firm in Tokyo. http://www3.nhk.or.j...lish/10_15.html

TEPCO suspends decontamination system

The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has suspended part of the activity of the radioactive water decontamination system as a liquid substance was found leaking from the deviceTokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, said that it stopped the system on Sunday morning. The liquid was found leaking from the hose for injecting chemicals to break down radioactive materials in the French-made device. http://www3.nhk.or.j...lish/10_20.html

Edited July 10, 2011 by elcent

[ronz28]

I didn't know that area has so many earthquakes. How could it ever have been considered safe to build nuclear power plants there. Look at the number of earthquakes from July 3, 2011 to date per http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php

Magnitude Date/Time Lat Long Depth Location

1. 4.8 7/3/2011 20:41 37.916 142.455 28.8 OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
2. 4.7 7/4/2011 10:45 40.099 142.676 43.1 NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
3. 4.7 7/4/2011 16:06 40.241 142.238 63.5 NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
4. 4.7 7/5/2011 6:39 38.331 144.294 45.1 OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
5. 5.5 7/5/2011 10:18 34.02 135.196 15 NEAR S. COAST OF WESTERN HONSHU, JAPAN
6. 4.7 7/5/2011 10:34 33.956 135.203 8.4 NEAR S. COAST OF WESTERN HONSHU, JAPAN
7. 5.7 7/6/2011 15:14 36.38 141.613 10 NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
8. 4.9 7/7/2011 4:02 38.02 142.244 33.9 NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
9. 4.9 7/7/2011 5:10 37.619 141.904 30.4 NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
10. 4.8 7/7/2011 16:31 40.472 142.704 53.3 NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
11. 5.6 7/7/2011 18:35 37.116 140.973 45 EASTERN HONSHU, JAPAN
12. 4.8 7/7/2011 19:10 31.353 130.456 156.2 KYUSHU, JAPAN
13. 4.6 7/8/2011 13:08 38.288 142.153 46.6 NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
14. 4.9 7/8/2011 13:10 39.907 142.022 53.1 NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
15. 7.0 7/10/2011 0:57 38.04 143.287 18 OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
16. 4.7 7/10/2011 2:56 38.463 143.697 21.1 OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
17. 4.7 7/10/2011 3:14 38.104 143.29 22.5 OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
18. 4.8 7/10/2011 3:43 37.972 143.266 21 OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
19. 4.7 7/10/2011 4:18 36.068 140.067 19.4 NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
20. 4.7 7/10/2011 5:14 38.019 143.464 25 OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
21. 4.8 7/10/2011 5:24 37.861 143.385 21.2 OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
22. 4.2 7/10/2011 15:33 38.779 138.444 10 NEAR THE WEST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
23. 4.5 7/10/2011 15:44 37.792 143.605 22.7 OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
24. 4.6 7/10/2011 19:16 37.068 141.975 39.5 NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN

[elcent]

Radioactive ash found in waste plants near Tokyo(AFP) – 6 hours ago

TOKYO — Japanese waste incineration plants near Tokyo have found high levels of radiation in ash, and officials said Tuesday it may be from garden waste contaminated by the Fukushima nuclear disaster.

The radioactive caesium was detected in plants in Kashiwa city in Chiba prefecture, northeast of Tokyo and about 200 kilometres (120 miles) from the plant that has leaked radiation since the March 11 quake and tsunami. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iPN-whkfu1E0C_LcAIeffM9uoHZQ?docId=CNG.30b3c946c2c894e47045f723d8b684af.b51

[ronz28]

Food safety concerns in Japan

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-14/beef-contaminated-by-radiation-intensifies-food-safety-concerns-in-japan.html

Contaminated Tuna:

[elcent]

More beef from cattle in Japan that ate straw tainted by radiation has found its way into the food supply, deepening concern about the safety of meat as the country struggles to contain the spread of the contamination.

Cattle at the farm in Asakawa, about 60 kilometers from the crippled Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear station, were fed with rice straw containing 97,000 becquerels of cesium per kilogram, compared with the government standard of 300 becquerels, said Hidenori Ohtani at the livestock division of the Fukushima prefectural government. The farm shipped 42 cattle in the past three months to slaughterhouses in Tokyo, Kanagawa, Chiba and Miyagi prefectures, which were processed into meat and sold to distributors, he said. For more follow the link http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-15/beef-contamination-spreads-in-japan-as-cattle-eat-radiation-tainted-straw.html

[elcent]

People around Fukushima plea for help.

This is almost heart breaking

watch the vid

http://video.godlike...d6d33a1b59054a0

This is the truth as it unfolds. People are left without help and support.

Edited July 17, 2011 by elcent