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[sierra01]

Can any of you Thai speakers out there translate 'you're taking the p*ss' please? I want it to be a little more forceful than 'you're taking advantage' but not enough to start a flood of fake tears or a full scale shouting match, she needs a reminder that the days of farang being walking ATM's (when she's earning a good salary herself I might add) are gone. Thanks guys.

[taxexile]

next time she asks for money just say in a semi raised voice , but not with too much aggression or anger , but enough for her to know that a boundary has been crossed.

" ja baaa leur ! "

the meaning is

" are you crazy , you cant be serious ! (what do think i am ? )"

as with any situations like this , its hard to predict the response , you'll just have to play it by ear. you could very well be out on your ear , or she could realise that she has overstepped the mark.

[spacebass]

next time she asks for money just say in a semi raised voice , but not with too much aggression or anger , but enough for her to know  that a boundary has been crossed.

" ja baaa leur ! "

the meaning is

" are you crazy , you cant be serious ! (what do think i am ? )"

as with any situations like this , its hard to predict the response , you'll just have to play it by ear. you could very well be out on your ear , or she could realise that she has overstepped the mark.

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I just said the above to my lady a few times with different intonations and she so far does not understand!

[Mr. Farang]

next time she asks for money just say in a semi raised voice , but not with too much aggression or anger , but enough for her to know  that a boundary has been crossed.

" ja baaa leur ! "

the meaning is

" are you crazy , you cant be serious ! (what do think i am ? )"

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I would not recommend anyone say the phrase as taxexile suggests above - unless you are talking to someone you regard with less esteem than your domestic or barnyard animal.

Edited September 17, 2005 by Mr. Farang

[merlin1]

next time she asks for money just say in a semi raised voice , but not with too much aggression or anger , but enough for her to know  that a boundary has been crossed.

" ja baaa leur ! "

the meaning is

" are you crazy , you cant be serious ! (what do think i am ? )"

as with any situations like this , its hard to predict the response , you'll just have to play it by ear. you could very well be out on your ear , or she could realise that she has overstepped the mark.

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I just said the above to my lady a few times with different intonations and she so far does not understand!

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The tones are probably not the problem. Could be the transliteration.

"ja baa luh" may be a closer approximation of the sound you want, esp. if you're an american or canadian. The problem with standard transliteration is that it's based on british english so the "leur" assumes you don't really say the "r" since Brits don't pronounce the "r" much.

And you stress the "baa". I think the luh is low tone but no weird rising or falling on this one. Also the "ja" is a quick word, the "a" is short. A bit like an interjection. Don't run the words together. You have to separate them.

Give it another go.

[spacebass]

next time she asks for money just say in a semi raised voice , but not with too much aggression or anger , but enough for her to know  that a boundary has been crossed.

" ja baaa leur ! "

the meaning is

" are you crazy , you cant be serious ! (what do think i am ? )"

as with any situations like this , its hard to predict the response , you'll just have to play it by ear. you could very well be out on your ear , or she could realise that she has overstepped the mark.

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I just said the above to my lady a few times with different intonations and she so far does not understand!

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The tones are probably not the problem. Could be the transliteration.

"ja baa luh" may be a closer approximation of the sound you want, esp. if you're an american or canadian. The problem with standard transliteration is that it's based on british english so the "leur" assumes you don't really say the "r" since Brits don't pronounce the "r" much.

And you stress the "baa". I think the luh is low tone but no weird rising or falling on this one. Also the "ja" is a quick word, the "a" is short. A bit like an interjection. Don't run the words together. You have to separate them.

Give it another go.

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Gave it another go, she understood, sounded right, but she said it meant Say I say I am going to Lotus that response means 'You want to go Lotus go Lotus" or perhaps 'do what you like'.

[taxexile]

I would not recommend anyone say the phrase as taxexile suggests above - unless you are talking to someone you regard with less esteem than your domestic or barnyard animal.

between partners or friends , and if not used with too much aggression either in the voice or in facial expression or body language , then to show mild to moderate indignation i think the phrase is quite acceptable.

if used "on the street" to someone , then i agree with i am a farang that it can be quite insulting and the results may be unpredictable.

no, its not the most polite thing to say to anybody , but within relationships , things that are not so polite when used outside the relationship, can have different meanings within that relationship.

[mpdkorat]

I would not recommend anyone say the phrase as taxexile suggests above - unless you are talking to someone you regard with less esteem than your domestic or barnyard animal.

between partners or friends , and if not used with too much aggression either in the voice or in facial expression or body language , then to show mild to moderate indignation i think the phrase is quite acceptable.

if used "on the street" to someone , then i agree with i am a farang that it can be quite insulting and the results may be unpredictable.

no, its not the most polite thing to say to anybody , but within relationships , things that are not so polite when used outside the relationship, can have different meanings within that relationship.

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I agree with you. To use an extreme example to back your point you can even say &lt;deleted&gt; off to a friend without causing offence if said in the right way. Can even be amusing.

[samran]

I would not recommend anyone say the phrase as taxexile suggests above - unless you are talking to someone you regard with less esteem than your domestic or barnyard animal.

between partners or friends , and if not used with too much aggression either in the voice or in facial expression or body language , then to show mild to moderate indignation i think the phrase is quite acceptable.

if used "on the street" to someone , then i agree with i am a farang that it can be quite insulting and the results may be unpredictable.

no, its not the most polite thing to say to anybody , but within relationships , things that are not so polite when used outside the relationship, can have different meanings within that relationship.

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I used it once to a Taxi driver who wanted 500 Baht to take me from Silom to Wireless Rd (a 40 baht ride...tops). He cracked it at me.....

[meadish_sweetball]

I would not recommend anyone say the phrase as taxexile suggests above - unless you are talking to someone you regard with less esteem than your domestic or barnyard animal.

between partners or friends , and if not used with too much aggression either in the voice or in facial expression or body language , then to show mild to moderate indignation i think the phrase is quite acceptable.

if used "on the street" to someone , then i agree with i am a farang that it can be quite insulting and the results may be unpredictable.

no, its not the most polite thing to say to anybody , but within relationships , things that are not so polite when used outside the relationship, can have different meanings within that relationship.

I used it once to a Taxi driver who wanted 500 Baht to take me from Silom to Wireless Rd (a 40 baht ride...tops). He cracked it at me.....

Excuse a Swede, but does this mean "he smiled"?

[bannork]

I would not recommend anyone say the phrase as taxexile suggests above - unless you are talking to someone you regard with less esteem than your domestic or barnyard animal.

between partners or friends , and if not used with too much aggression either in the voice or in facial expression or body language , then to show mild to moderate indignation i think the phrase is quite acceptable.

if used "on the street" to someone , then i agree with i am a farang that it can be quite insulting and the results may be unpredictable.

no, its not the most polite thing to say to anybody , but within relationships , things that are not so polite when used outside the relationship, can have different meanings within that relationship.

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I used it once to a Taxi driver who wanted 500 Baht to take me from Silom to Wireless Rd (a 40 baht ride...tops). He cracked it at me.....

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Excuse a Swede, but does this mean "he smiled"?

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Excuse an Englishman, to 'crack up' means to burst out laughing, but to 'crack it at' sounds far more menacing.

Regarding the original post, more details are needed, for one's idea of extracting the urine depends on one's perspective; do you mean her demands are unreasonable, extravagant and therefore you won't give her any more money, or do you mean you're unable to give her anymore because of financial constraints and she should live within her means?

[Mr. Farang]

I would not recommend anyone say the phrase as taxexile suggests above - unless you are talking to someone you regard with less esteem than your domestic or barnyard animal.

between partners or friends , and if not used with too much aggression either in the voice or in facial expression or body language , then to show mild to moderate indignation i think the phrase is quite acceptable.

if used "on the street" to someone , then i agree with i am a farang that it can be quite insulting and the results may be unpredictable.

no, its not the most polite thing to say to anybody , but within relationships , things that are not so polite when used outside the relationship, can have different meanings within that relationship.

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Yes, I agree with you that the context of how you say it and the relationship is very important. If you say it to someone you love in the right way, it can be very funny.

Having said that, I did not get the impression from the original post that he was in a joking situation, he was in a frustrating situation. My relationships with Thais are quite different, as I never feel like a "walking ATM machine" (because I am definately - without a doubt - a walking, living, breathing ATM machine!!!) and if I did (feel frustration over the fact of life I'm a walking ATM machine), I would not call my GF "crazy"..... but that is just me, I guess - I accept my role as a Farang-ATM, laughing out loud.

BTW, as far as "the smiling taxi driver".... Thai's often smile when insulted. Thais are not Westerners, so saying "he smiled" or "burst out laughing" is no indication. I have been adapted to Thai culture so long that I often burst out laughing when insulted... it just happened the other day at a conference.

Please note, I am not saying that you did, or did not, insult the taxi driver (I wasn't there), I am just saying that you cannot necessarily judge a phrase as "appropriate" based on the reaction you received.

PS: I have only heard the use of "you are crazy" in "Farang bar-girl Thai"... I've not heard it outside of those situations in Thailand - like, for examplle, with my ex-girlfriend from Chula whom I dated for 5 years.

Edited September 18, 2005 by Mr. Farang

[merlin1]

Gave it another go, she understood, sounded right, but she said it meant Say I say I am going to Lotus that response means 'You want to go Lotus go Lotus" or perhaps 'do what you like'.

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OK, I see now. Yes, if she opened with "I'm going to Lotus" and all you say is "are you nuts?" without anything else, then it would sound like "do what you like." It only registers your disapproval. You'll have to come up with something more hard-hitting if you don't actually want her to spend your money there.

BTW, I say stuff like this (ja baa luh) all the time to my close Thai friends who I have a good rapport with. It's all in playful fun, even if there is sense of disapproval underneath it. Friends can express their true opinions without any need to pretentious face-saving double talk.

[Mr. Farang]

Gave it another go, she understood, sounded right, but she said it meant Say I say I am going to Lotus that response means 'You want to go Lotus go Lotus" or perhaps 'do what you like'.

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OK, I see now.  Yes, if she opened with "I'm going to Lotus" and all you say is "are you nuts?" without anything else, then it would sound like "do what you like."  It only registers your disapproval.  You'll have to come up with something more hard-hitting if you don't actually want her to spend your money there.

BTW, I say stuff like this (ja baa luh) all the time to my close Thai friends who I have a good rapport with.  It's all in playful fun, even if there is sense of disapproval underneath it.  Friends can express their true opinions without any need to pretentious face-saving double talk.

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Laughing out loud....... no, she simply does not yet understand him and is kindly and patiently trying to understand..... she thinks he is telling her he wants to go to Lotus...... (but he is trying to tell her.. "she is crazy"), laughing again.

"Ja Bai Lotus" (will go to Lotus) ....... not "Ja Baa Luhy" (you are really crazy).

Thanks for making me laugh so hard!

Edited September 18, 2005 by Mr. Farang

[sierra01]

I would not recommend anyone say the phrase as taxexile suggests above - unless you are talking to someone you regard with less esteem than your domestic or barnyard animal.

between partners or friends , and if not used with too much aggression either in the voice or in facial expression or body language , then to show mild to moderate indignation i think the phrase is quite acceptable.

if used "on the street" to someone , then i agree with i am a farang that it can be quite insulting and the results may be unpredictable.

no, its not the most polite thing to say to anybody , but within relationships , things that are not so polite when used outside the relationship, can have different meanings within that relationship.

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Yes, I agree with you that the context of how you say it and the relationship is very important. If you say it to someone you love in the right way, it can be very funny.

Having said that, I did not get the impression from the original post that he was in a joking situation, he was in a frustrating situation. My relationships with Thais are quite different, as I never feel like a "walking ATM machine" (because I am definately - without a doubt - a walking, living, breathing ATM machine!!!) and if I did (feel frustration over the fact of life I'm a walking ATM machine), I would not call my GF "crazy"..... but that is just me, I guess - I accept my role as a Farang-ATM, laughing out loud.

BTW, as far as "the smiling taxi driver".... Thai's often smile when insulted. Thais are not Westerners, so saying "he smiled" or "burst out laughing" is no indication. I have been adapted to Thai culture so long that I often burst out laughing when insulted... it just happened the other day at a conference.

Please note, I am not saying that you did, or did not, insult the taxi driver (I wasn't there), I am just saying that you cannot necessarily judge a phrase as "appropriate" based on the reaction you received.

PS: I have only heard the use of "you are crazy" in "Farang bar-girl Thai"... I've not heard it outside of those situations in Thailand - like, for examplle, with my ex-girlfriend from Chula whom I dated for 5 years.

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This is the problem. My g/f (not a BG) and I have just started living together, we've been together a year now, she earns about 15,000bt per month, and from that she has to pay the loan on her condo (1300bt) and a loan for some land she's buying (3500bt). For her to actually open her purse when we're out is quite an occasion, and now we're living together I expect her to start helping a bit on the money side, I'm not asking her to pay half or anything but I'm not going to continue giving her an ever increasing free ride either. If she wasn't working then it would be a different situation all together. I'm not rich and I'm not poor, but I didn't just get off this morning's banana boat either. Am I asking too much? I don't think so.

[taxexile]

Am I asking too much? I don't think so.

you havent yet told us what your income is.

and , in thailand , you may very well be asking too much.

but if she is not willing to offer at least token help with the finances , then you may have to either accept the situation or leave the relationship and look for a girl that is willing to contribute more financially.

changing or even trying to change the situation may unleash irreversible resentment.

[RamdomChances]

PS: I have only heard the use of "you are crazy" in "Farang bar-girl Thai"... I've not heard it outside of those situations in Thailand - like, for examplle, with my ex-girlfriend from Chula whom I dated for 5 years.

You need to get out of the bars more often

[Thaipwriter]

This is the problem. My g/f (not a BG) and I have just started living together, we've been together a year now, she earns about 15,000bt per month, and from that she has to pay the loan on her condo (1300bt) and a loan for some land she's buying (3500bt). For her to actually open her purse when we're out is quite an occasion, and now we're living together I expect her to start helping a bit on the money side, I'm not asking her to pay half or anything but I'm not going to continue giving her an ever increasing free ride either. If she wasn't working then it would be a different situation all together. I'm not rich and I'm not poor, but I didn't just get off this morning's banana boat either. Am I asking too much? I don't think so.

Yes you are asking too much, in the eyes of your girlfriend you have a ever replenishing flow of money from the ATM because you are a farang.

she is only too willing to live on handouts from you because she can keep her own money that way

She earns enough money to survive on her own. at some time in the past she would have had to live without your handouts.

you have to live to your means, if you do not you will be going home soon.....right?

I battled the same issues with my ex gf for a long time, she had 10,000 a month to spend on whatever but never contributed a single baht towards "our" living expenses. not for gas, not for food, not for leccy. not a single baht....ever. this is selfish.

You need to test her, tell her you have an ATM card problem and you will without money for a couple of weeks, see what she says, see how she supports you, see if she offers to "borrow" you some money.

At the end of the 2 weeks you will know what you need to know.

"greedy, needy, beggars most of em"

ps. I love your line about " getting off the banana boat" my Dad used to say this to me when i was trying to pull a scam on him when i was a kid

[ajarnmark]

I pitty u sierra01 coz this situation is very common here. Its not bcoz of anything but as others mentioned that they believe that we are walking ATMs.

I also agree with Thaipwriter that these girlz r really greedy. So we have a line for them:

They come, they eat and they go, dont even bother to say thank u, or take their share of money out or even give a hint that they will have sex with u.

So the good option is to go for BGs where ur spending is safe and u r sure that u will get what u r looking for.

I have never been with any BG and my gf belongs to a Thai-Chinese rich family. Usually most of the time she shares with me and the way she shares is superb. She gives money to me secretly, either before or after we pay. She thinks that its not nice that the other people think that the farang BF is getting money from Thai GF.

But for some girlz it may create the bad impression that farangs always pay in full and they dont have to share.

[taxexile]

gf belongs to a Thai-Chinese rich family. Usually most of the time she shares with me and the way she shares is superb. She gives money to me secretly, either before or after we pay. She thinks that its not nice that the other people think that the farang BF is getting money from Thai GF.

the thai chinese definately have healthier attitudes when it comes to earning and spending.

and although not wishing to generalise , i think it can be safely said that if you want to have a relationship that is relatively free of the money hassles that entertain us so well on this forum , then thai chinese is the way to go.

the issaan girls may be hard to resist what with their languid, lazy sensuality ,and come to bed eyes , but in many cases the downside is all too evident , and the web forums and departure lounges of don meuang are littered with the gravestones of the recently departed and the echoes of their warnings.

but there are other options here too , and thai chinese is one of them .

Edited September 19, 2005 by taxexile

[Mr. Farang]

....., and the web forums and departure lounges of don meuang are littered with the gravestones of the recently departed and the echoes of their warnings.

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Very poetic, Taxexile.......

Very nice indeed.

Cheers!

Edited September 19, 2005 by Mr. Farang