Robby nz Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Interested to see the following in todays news: Flood Victims Complain Aid Money DeductedPhattalung villagers have complained with related agencies, claiming that the flood compensation of 5,000 baht provided by the government has been deducted to only 2,000 to 3,000 baht. Flood victims in Kuhasawan subdistrict in Phattalung province complained with the media about the aid fund provided by the government that allegedly was deducted from 5,000 baht to only 3,340 baht per family. They said the official who handled the distribution of the fund claimed that the government had to deduct some of the aid money to give to other families whose names were not on the list. However, the official is being questioned why he signed for the full amount of 5,000 baht instead of the actual amount. Government Savings Bank official Kao Paneart said that the discrepancy which occurred has nothing to do with the bank because it distributed the money by sticking to the actual amount and the names on the list. The media have been following this issue and Phattalung Governor Pisit Bunchuang confirmed the existence of such complaints. Similar cases in other areas have also been reported. Although local organizations were contacted over the complaints, so far there have been no answers. -- Tan Network 2011-04-19 It would seem that someone somewhere in the sysyem has syphoned off a share of the money the people are entitled to. Would anyone have complained about this a few years ago when it was the normal thing or just accepted what they were given with a Wai and kop koon maak krap? Could it be that the message is getting out that corruption is unexceptable and people are realising now that they dont have to put up with someone deducting a proportion from what is rightfully theirs. We can only hope that the Govt get to the bottom of this and those who now have the money that has dissapeared are identified and done properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Corruption is a way of life here, a good luck attitude if you can get away with it, from top to bottom and it is expected and tolerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby nz Posted April 19, 2011 Author Share Posted April 19, 2011 Corruption is a way of life here, a good luck attitude if you can get away with it, from top to bottom and it is expected and tolerated. If that is true then why are the people in the article complaining? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 This happens *every time* there is a disaster in Thailand. It happened in last years floods too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLaughingMan Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 What boils my brain the most and makes me want to stick a chili covered fork in my eye repeatedly is the way Thailand authorities act like there must be some confusion. Anyone reading this story knows EXACTLY what happened and doesn't need to actually "wonder" and try to find out. There should simply be sweeping arrests with anyone involved from the point the full amount was given out to the point it was distributed to victims. I mean it aint no freaking secret! Its an every day occurrence and if the authorities stopped stealing the money themselves most of the time or at the very least arrested people instantly and questioned them to find out the truth then it would not be such a common every day event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Corruption is a way of life here, a good luck attitude if you can get away with it, from top to bottom and it is expected and tolerated. If that is true then why are the people in the article complaining? Perhaps a north south different way of thinking but in Isaan that is the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 It would seem that someone somewhere in the sysyem has syphoned off a share of the money the people are entitled to. Well, this is Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantiSuk Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 I'm not a Thai culture apologist but this type of corruption is endemic in the global aid industry when disaster relief is handed out. [source: I worked for an audit firm that supervised some major global aid projects]. No reason why it should still not be rooted out by the press, public and properly intentioned officials where they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanForbes Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 It happened in New Orleans as well. Thailand isn't unique when it comes to corruption. However, it's usually in smaller amounts in Thailand. Bernie Madoff and the US banking industry come to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bifftastic Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Rotten thieving bastards! I hope people are waking up, standing up and exposing things like this. It's one thing to skim of a few baht here and there, i suppose. I mean it's not right but it happens. But stealing relief money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregb Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Corruption is a way of life here, a good luck attitude if you can get away with it, from top to bottom and it is expected and tolerated. If that is true then why are the people in the article complaining? The only people who complain are the ones who didn't get a piece of the corruption under analysis. That is usually because somebody got greedy and didn't want to share with all the branches on the way down to the bottom, or that it was simply easier to step on those people rather than cut them in. When Thais complain about corruption, they aren't really complaining about generic corruption, they are complaining about the specific corruption that they don't benefit from. When they do get their opportunity for a share of the spoils, they turn a blind eye towards how anyone else suffers from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PingManDan Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 WHAT !!! Corruption in Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JurgenG Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 I'm not a Thai culture apologist but this type of corruption is endemic in the global aid industry when disaster relief is handed out. [source: I worked for an audit firm that supervised some major global aid projects]. No reason why it should still not be rooted out by the press, public and properly intentioned officials where they can. True ! And what can be worse than western organization taking advantage of disaster stricken countries like Haiti and some African countries to kidnap children to resell them (can't find an other word) on the adoption market. I don't have the exact statistic but most of the money given to charities ends up in parties (they can call them fundraising, they are still parties) and staff salaries. Instead of giving money my gf and I belong to a group who every year collect money and everyday goods that are given directly to poor villages and schools in remote area of Thailand. Nobody is paid, everybody pay for his/her own expenses when traveling to deliver the goods. It's small thing but there is no waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saraburioz Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 I'd like to hear from anyone who lives here who is not corrupt. I can't complain about corruption when i take part myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 (edited) Corruption is a way of life here, a good luck attitude if you can get away with it, from top to bottom and it is expected and tolerated. The other one is the expectation of 'commissions'. I'm aware of a farang recently selling a house inside a village in Pattaya. Professional agent took prospective client to the house and the house was sold. On settlement day the following locals turned up requesting a 'commission': - Security guard at front gate of the village. Request for 500Baht. - The lady down the street who had answered the question where house no XXX was located. Three second answer, in fact the house was about 4 or 5 houses down the same soi. Request for 5,000Baht - Maid who happened to be at the house when the agent arrived with the prospective client. Maid did nothing, agent had a key. Request for 5,000Baht. All were given 500Baht. Edited April 20, 2011 by scorecard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Corruption is a way of life here, a good luck attitude if you can get away with it, from top to bottom and it is expected and tolerated. Not just a way of life in those select circles, but embedded into the institutional character.....the OP naively suggested that there might be hope if the government would intervene. That would be kin to the foxes drawing straws as to whom would be watching the hen house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Charles Ponzi would have made a killing in Thailand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JurgenG Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 A national hero. We'ld have Ponzi day (national holiday), Ponzi International airport, Ponzi Avenue (Bangkok 5th Ave or Champs Elysees), PonziBuri .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby nz Posted April 20, 2011 Author Share Posted April 20, 2011 Gregb wrote The only people who complain are the ones who didn't get a piece of the corruption under analysis. That is usually because somebody got greedy and didn't want to share with all the branches on the way down to the bottom, or that it was simply easier to step on those people rather than cut them in. When Thais complain about corruption, they aren't really complaining about generic corruption, they are complaining about the specific corruption that they don't benefit from. When they do get their opportunity for a share of the spoils, they turn a blind eye towards how anyone else suffers from it. Well in this case it is the people at the bottom, the rightful recipiants of the money who are complaining. No way they could have been involved in any corruption. It is people like them who are the ones being ripped off who need to have the attitude that it is not acceptable to screw them. They also need to a non corrupt body to complain to, possibly a body that consists of people who have been screwed and dont like it. Corruption can never be stopped from the top only from the bottom when the people who are the victims stand up for their rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awohalitsiktoli Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Corruption is a way of life here, a good luck attitude if you can get away with it, from top to bottom and it is expected and tolerated. Not just a way of life in those select circles, but embedded into the institutional character.....the OP naively suggested that there might be hope if the government would intervene. That would be kin to the foxes drawing straws as to whom would be watching the hen house. Correct, corruption (and lying, and cheating, and stealing) is embedded in Thai culture. Believe me, your best Thai friend of ten years will steal from you if given the chance. There is no moral base to this corrupt culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby nz Posted April 20, 2011 Author Share Posted April 20, 2011 Corruption is a way of life here, a good luck attitude if you can get away with it, from top to bottom and it is expected and tolerated. Not just a way of life in those select circles, but embedded into the institutional character.....the OP naively suggested that there might be hope if the government would intervene. That would be kin to the foxes drawing straws as to whom would be watching the hen house. Correct, corruption (and lying, and cheating, and stealing) is embedded in Thai culture. Believe me, your best Thai friend of ten years will steal from you if given the chance. There is no moral base to this corrupt culture. Another lot of silly anti Thai generalisations. Surely none of you can actually live in Thailand with attitudes like that. There are good and bad in every country, every society, and if you have only ever come accross the bad in this country you aint been around much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckarooBanzai Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Corruption exits on many levels - but there should be limits even in Thailand. Any rich and powerful individual who would steal from a large number of poor folk, who have just lost everything due to flooding, is as reprehensible a being as any that walk the earth. If the embezzlement of these funds is proven then the perpetrator(s) should be made an example of and join the ranks of those who no longer matter nor see the light of day. Sorry for the pontificating but sometimes things strike a nerve! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud1 Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Who would arrest those that were arresting the arrested has they all piss in the same pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadhukar Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Corruption is a way of life here, a good luck attitude if you can get away with it, from top to bottom and it is expected and tolerated. Not just a way of life in those select circles, but embedded into the institutional character.....the OP naively suggested that there might be hope if the government would intervene. That would be kin to the foxes drawing straws as to whom would be watching the hen house. Correct, corruption (and lying, and cheating, and stealing) is embedded in Thai culture. Believe me, your best Thai friend of ten years will steal from you if given the chance. There is no moral base to this corrupt culture. As a Thai, I'm quite offended by this. Yes the entire institution is based on graft and corruption such that it takes a benevolent despot to break the system but that doesn't mean we all are. Do I say all Americans are corrupt because a couple rotten banking institutions decide to rip off the taxpayer? Maybe you should stop living under your log and crawl outside to see the reality of life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schooner Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 One word....Haliburton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Corruption is a way of life here, a good luck attitude if you can get away with it, from top to bottom and it is expected and tolerated. Not just a way of life in those select circles, but embedded into the institutional character.....the OP naively suggested that there might be hope if the government would intervene. That would be kin to the foxes drawing straws as to whom would be watching the hen house. Correct, corruption (and lying, and cheating, and stealing) is embedded in Thai culture. Believe me, your best Thai friend of ten years will steal from you if given the chance. There is no moral base to this corrupt culture. Another lot of silly anti Thai generalisations. Surely none of you can actually live in Thailand with attitudes like that. There are good and bad in every country, every society, and if you have only ever come accross the bad in this country you aint been around much. Then perhaps you have not been here long enough. I have and seen it all. Here's a resent one for you. My Thai inlaws come up country for Son Gran, have a motor accident with some water throwers motor, called police cos not their fault but guess what, the throwers were village officials and my in-laws were out of town so it was their fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Correct, corruption (and lying, and cheating, and stealing) is embedded in Thai culture. Believe me, your best Thai friend of ten years will steal from you if given the chance. There is no moral base to this corrupt culture. Believe you? I think not, since you don't appear to know what you're talking about as such character applies to the broader Thai society. The institutional side of criminal and unethical practice is slow to trickle down. At the social and familial level, such activities are rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatouthruthefog Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 <br /><br /><br />Corruption is a way of life here, a good luck attitude if you can get away with it, from top to bottom and it is expected and tolerated. <img src='http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /><br /><br /><br /><br />If that is true then why are the people in the article complaining?<br /><br />The only people who complain are the ones who didn't get a piece of the corruption under analysis. That is usually because somebody got greedy and didn't want to share with all the branches on the way down to the bottom, or that it was simply easier to step on those people rather than cut them in. When Thais complain about corruption, they aren't really complaining about generic corruption, they are complaining about the specific corruption that they don't benefit from. When they do get their opportunity for a share of the spoils, they turn a blind eye towards how anyone else suffers from it.<br /><br /><br /><br />Congratulations! Really! You DO understand. This is one of the wisest posts I've ever seen here. Very sad, but very true. Let's hear more from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DtemJai Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Corruption is a way of life here, a good luck attitude if you can get away with it, from top to bottom and it is expected and tolerated. If that is true then why are the people in the article complaining? The Unfished Revolution in Thailand Thailand - Channel NewsAsia today on TV…what time? - chk that yourself...ok - in afternoon I guess - bye bye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsMills Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 I was driving at 170 KPH today and was rightfully stopped by the Police, I paid 200 Baht there and then, no ticket, no summons. Thank fawk for corruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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