Jatuporn Adds To Thaksin's Dilemmas

[7by7]

I'd appreciate it if your going to carry on a dialogue with me in the future to at least pay me the respect of writing in full grammatically correct sentences. Sure I vaguely understand and get a sense of what you mean when you say, "Mind you no mention of programs canceled by governments AFTER K. Thaksin's" But it's tiresome to decipher your gibberish.

Rather harsh, particularly as your own grammar and spelling are not perfect!

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[jayboy]

SanSai --- even though it is "off topic", since THIS thread is about Jatuporn and the damage he does to the Thaksin cause (BTW -- under current law Thaksin may NEVER come back as PM even with an amnesty)..... help me out with one of your statements.

Could we start with a discussion perhaps, on education reform? Let's compare and contrast the positions of the status quo and the reforms former Prime Minister Thaksin had put in place that have been rescinded and cancelled by the current government?

What reform that actually was started under Thaksin has the current government rescinded in the area of education?

I don't think there are any.The current government has copied and expanded Thaksin's policies.

Incidentally I have now actually read what Jatuporn is purported to have said.It's a sensitive subject and I won't be drawn on the content.Suffice it to say it seemed very far from being LM and in fact he was asking a very reasonable question.My hunch is is that the army is simply preparing for the election by trying to generate hysteria.

Edited April 22, 2011 by jayboy

[SanSaiExPat]

SanSai --- even though it is "off topic", since THIS thread is about Jatuporn and the damage he does to the Thaksin cause (BTW -- under current law Thaksin may NEVER come back as PM even with an amnesty)..... help me out with one of your statements.

Could we start with a discussion perhaps, on education reform? Let's compare and contrast the positions of the status quo and the reforms former Prime Minister Thaksin had put in place that have been rescinded and cancelled by the current government?

What reform that actually was started under Thaksin has the current government rescinded in the area of education?

One of Thaksin's educational reforms was school decentralization, as mandated by the 1997 Constitution. It was to delegate school management from the over-centralized and bureaucratized Ministry of Education to Tambon Administrative Organizations (TAOs) but met with massive widespread opposition from Thailand's 700,000 teachers, who would be deprived of their status as civil servants. Teachers fear that TAOs lacked the ability to manage schools. In the face of massive teacher protests and several threats of school closure, Thaksin compromised and gave teachers whose schools were transferred to TAO management two years to transfer to other schools.

Others included learning reform and related curricular decentralization, mostly through greater use of holistic education and less use of rote learning.

To increase access to universities for lower income people, Thaksin initiated the Student Loan Fund (SLF) and Income Contingency Loan (ICL) programs. The ICL however required recipients to start repayments when their salaries reached 16,000 baht a month, with interest equivalent to inflation from the day the loan was granted. The SLF had an eligibility limit on family income but interest was 1 per cent starting a year after graduation. The programs were merged and the income limit modified after Thaksin's government was overthrown.

Thaksin also initiated the controversial "One District, One Dream School" project, aimed at developing the quality of schools to ensure that every district had at least one high-quality school. It was criticized, with claims that the only beneficiaries were Thaksin and companies selling computers and educational equipment. Many schools fell deeply into debt in implementing the project, receiving inadequate financial support from the central government.

In addition, he altered the state university entrance system, which had relied exclusively on a nationally standardized exams. Thaksin pushed for greater weighting of senior high-school grades in the hope of focusing students on classroom learning rather than private entrance exam tutoring.

He initiated the Income Contingency Loan program to increase access to higher education, whereby needy students could secure a loan to support their studies from vocational to university levels. Thai banks had traditionally not given education loans. He made Thailand one of the first supporters of Nicholas Negroponte's one laptop per child (OLPC) project, with the Thai Ministry of Education committing to purchase 600,000 units. The junta later cancelled the project.

There's your answer

Not exactly a raging success or endorsement of his policy development skills, is it, I think you'll agree!!!

Actually I couldn't disagree more. Give the circumstances, the power base he was up against in Bangkok and the teachers who were frightened by the powers that be into thinking they would lose their pensions and income, he actually made remarkable progress.

[SICHONSTEVE]

SanSai --- even though it is "off topic", since THIS thread is about Jatuporn and the damage he does to the Thaksin cause (BTW -- under current law Thaksin may NEVER come back as PM even with an amnesty)..... help me out with one of your statements.

Could we start with a discussion perhaps, on education reform? Let's compare and contrast the positions of the status quo and the reforms former Prime Minister Thaksin had put in place that have been rescinded and cancelled by the current government?

What reform that actually was started under Thaksin has the current government rescinded in the area of education?

One of Thaksin's educational reforms was school decentralization, as mandated by the 1997 Constitution. It was to delegate school management from the over-centralized and bureaucratized Ministry of Education to Tambon Administrative Organizations (TAOs) but met with massive widespread opposition from Thailand's 700,000 teachers, who would be deprived of their status as civil servants. Teachers fear that TAOs lacked the ability to manage schools. In the face of massive teacher protests and several threats of school closure, Thaksin compromised and gave teachers whose schools were transferred to TAO management two years to transfer to other schools.

Others included learning reform and related curricular decentralization, mostly through greater use of holistic education and less use of rote learning.

To increase access to universities for lower income people, Thaksin initiated the Student Loan Fund (SLF) and Income Contingency Loan (ICL) programs. The ICL however required recipients to start repayments when their salaries reached 16,000 baht a month, with interest equivalent to inflation from the day the loan was granted. The SLF had an eligibility limit on family income but interest was 1 per cent starting a year after graduation. The programs were merged and the income limit modified after Thaksin's government was overthrown.

Thaksin also initiated the controversial "One District, One Dream School" project, aimed at developing the quality of schools to ensure that every district had at least one high-quality school. It was criticized, with claims that the only beneficiaries were Thaksin and companies selling computers and educational equipment. Many schools fell deeply into debt in implementing the project, receiving inadequate financial support from the central government.

In addition, he altered the state university entrance system, which had relied exclusively on a nationally standardized exams. Thaksin pushed for greater weighting of senior high-school grades in the hope of focusing students on classroom learning rather than private entrance exam tutoring.

He initiated the Income Contingency Loan program to increase access to higher education, whereby needy students could secure a loan to support their studies from vocational to university levels. Thai banks had traditionally not given education loans. He made Thailand one of the first supporters of Nicholas Negroponte's one laptop per child (OLPC) project, with the Thai Ministry of Education committing to purchase 600,000 units. The junta later cancelled the project.

There's your answer

Not exactly a raging success or endorsement of his policy development skills, is it, I think you'll agree!!!

Actually I couldn't disagree more. Give the circumstances, the power base he was up against in Bangkok and the teachers who were frightened by the powers that be into thinking they would lose their pensions and income, he actually made remarkable progress.

What a rediculous thing to say!!!

Nobody had confidence and trusted in what he was doing with major protests evidence as to this being the case. Many of the things he initiated were revoked, abandoned, cancelled or changed, so please tell me exactly what he did that you deem to be his having made remarkable progress.

After Thaksin had been deposed in 2008 the PPP increased the allocation of money into the education system. There has been a progessive improvement since Abhisit took the helm and the re-implemention of the 15 year free education program initiated back in 1961 has poured money into education and there has been a complete overhaul of teaching methodology and the structure to improve the education standards in Thailand without any of the negative feedback or comments that Shinawatra experienced, incidentally. Now that's what I call making a difference - not Thaksin's miserable, failed attempts at doing so!!!

[yoshiwara]

SanSai --- even though it is "off topic", since THIS thread is about Jatuporn and the damage he does to the Thaksin cause (BTW -- under current law Thaksin may NEVER come back as PM even with an amnesty)..... help me out with one of your statements.

Could we start with a discussion perhaps, on education reform? Let's compare and contrast the positions of the status quo and the reforms former Prime Minister Thaksin had put in place that have been rescinded and cancelled by the current government?

What reform that actually was started under Thaksin has the current government rescinded in the area of education?

One of Thaksin's educational reforms was school decentralization, as mandated by the 1997 Constitution. It was to delegate school management from the over-centralized and bureaucratized Ministry of Education to Tambon Administrative Organizations (TAOs) but met with massive widespread opposition from Thailand's 700,000 teachers, who would be deprived of their status as civil servants. Teachers fear that TAOs lacked the ability to manage schools. In the face of massive teacher protests and several threats of school closure, Thaksin compromised and gave teachers whose schools were transferred to TAO management two years to transfer to other schools.

Others included learning reform and related curricular decentralization, mostly through greater use of holistic education and less use of rote learning.

To increase access to universities for lower income people, Thaksin initiated the Student Loan Fund (SLF) and Income Contingency Loan (ICL) programs. The ICL however required recipients to start repayments when their salaries reached 16,000 baht a month, with interest equivalent to inflation from the day the loan was granted. The SLF had an eligibility limit on family income but interest was 1 per cent starting a year after graduation. The programs were merged and the income limit modified after Thaksin's government was overthrown.

Thaksin also initiated the controversial "One District, One Dream School" project, aimed at developing the quality of schools to ensure that every district had at least one high-quality school. It was criticized, with claims that the only beneficiaries were Thaksin and companies selling computers and educational equipment. Many schools fell deeply into debt in implementing the project, receiving inadequate financial support from the central government.

In addition, he altered the state university entrance system, which had relied exclusively on a nationally standardized exams. Thaksin pushed for greater weighting of senior high-school grades in the hope of focusing students on classroom learning rather than private entrance exam tutoring.

He initiated the Income Contingency Loan program to increase access to higher education, whereby needy students could secure a loan to support their studies from vocational to university levels. Thai banks had traditionally not given education loans. He made Thailand one of the first supporters of Nicholas Negroponte's one laptop per child (OLPC) project, with the Thai Ministry of Education committing to purchase 600,000 units. The junta later cancelled the project.

There's your answer

Not exactly a raging success or endorsement of his policy development skills, is it, I think you'll agree!!!

Actually I couldn't disagree more. Give the circumstances, the power base he was up against in Bangkok and the teachers who were frightened by the powers that be into thinking they would lose their pensions and income, he actually made remarkable progress.

So no cigar then?