Jatuporn And Other Red-Shirt Leaders Blow The Whistle On Coup

[jayboy]

The red shirt leaders know what the Army is doing. A majority of the enlisted are red shirts

Source beyond your own speculation please?

And back to the drawing board to explain, yet again, that because your anti-red doesn't therefore mean that you support yellow.

Analysis is not a warrant officer's strength.Best to post another funny picture of Thaksin.There's an audience out there for that kind of crap.

Oh just noted he's already done it.

[givenall]

Just another day in coup-coup land.

Wishful thinking by Jatupom. If I was a Thai, I woulddfintly vote against the Thaksin Gang to avoid any possible Coup.

But I think have to consider the source, who is full ofHOT AIR

[jdinasia]

The red shirt leaders know what the Army is doing. A majority of the enlisted are red shirts, telegraphing their every move.

This is a dilemma for Army leaders. Will the soldiers turn on them?

It's time yellows need to face reality. They are now a minority, ( a rich and powerful minority)

They can't win elections and must stop using the Army and Courts to get their way every time they lose.

How many coups in recent history? 20?

Let's get real yellow shirts. The party is over.

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1) The reds obviously don't have a clue as they have yelled one thing or another about the army for ages, and never seem to get it right.

2)The majority of the enlisted are .... wait for it .... enlisted. They come from all over the country and certainly there is no suggestion that the majority are reds.

3) The reds are a minority.

4)The army and the courts? LOL

5) Let's do get real and start facing the facts that Thailand can't be so easily marked as "red" and "yellow", Many people have been disillusioned by the violent mobs of the reds. Many people have been turned off by the bizarre agenda of the yellows over the last couple of years.

6) The elite* of either color certainly have to start making some changes. Fortunately for Thailand the option is Abhisit and the Dems pushing forward social changes and non-violence, or the reds pushing the Thaksin agenda.

[Artisi]

Maybe ther army should mount a coup and eradicate the red shirt leaders - the country would certainly be better for it.

What an assenine comment! Why is that when farangs from countries with strong and mature democratic traditions comment on politics in Thailand, they are amongst the first to call for this politician or that political group to be banned, jailed or exiled? Then they complain about double standards in Thailand!

So do you think that any democratic country would put up with criminal elements causing no end of ongoing problems including viloence in which lives have been lost. Further, I don't see any double standard in wanting people who create, preach and are themselves involved in violence being allowed to continue unchecked .

[webfact]

Chuan Leekpai: No coup d'état

BANGKOK, 21 April 2011 (NNT)-United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) core leader Mr. Nattawut Saikuea claimed to have received inside information from high ranking military officials that the Army is amassing forces to stop the election as many polls have suggested the possibility that the Pheu Thai Party will win.

Mr. Nattawut further claimed that the news coincided with the recent move by the Army to press charges against the UDD for making wrongful accusation. Mr. Nattawut said that the UDD would make sure the military plan never succeed. Mr. Jatuporn Prompan, another UDD leader, has denied resigning from the Opposition party, citing his intention to remain united with the UDD to prevent his Party from being dissolved.

Former prime minister and chief advisor to the longstanding Democrat Party Mr. Chuan Leekpai, assured this was not a signal for a possible coup d'état, adding he believed the Election Commission of Thailand would be able to organize the election without any problems.

-- NNT 2011-04-21

[jayboy]

Maybe ther army should mount a coup and eradicate the red shirt leaders - the country would certainly be better for it.

What an assenine comment! Why is that when farangs from countries with strong and mature democratic traditions comment on politics in Thailand, they are amongst the first to call for this politician or that political group to be banned, jailed or exiled? Then they complain about double standards in Thailand!

So do you think that any democratic country would put up with criminal elements causing no end of ongoing problems including viloence in which lives have been lost. Further, I don't see any double standard in wanting people who create, preach and are themselves involved in violence being allowed to continue unchecked .

Your views on the Thai army are very strong but I think on the whole justified.The criminal elements you refer to should certainly be cashiered for their part in the illegal coup, and perhaps put on trial (even though they awarded themselves a pardon), along with incompetent junta that followed.Whether the army's massacre of innocent protesters in Bangkok last year should be described as "criminal" is debatable despite the lies and prevarication that the army has subsequently peddled to the commissions of inquiry.I think the real reason you are correct to label the Thai army (or at least many of the generals) as criminal is their long standing involvement in the sex and drugs industries, their crimes in the South including Tak Bai, their illegal interference in politics, their anachronistic involvement in business including the media.

[Throatwobbler]

How many whistles has Jatuporn blown now. According to the other paper his proof is the army exercise in Bangkok the other day. Is it only me or do the success of army coups anywhere in the world come from their surprise. Having a huge exercise in the capital days before hardly seems to fit this secrecy bill.

[SanSaiExPat]

Maybe ther army should mount a coup and eradicate the red shirt leaders - the country would certainly be better for it.

It's exceedingly strange to hear someone who quotes Jefferson and suggests, even in jest, that the army should exterminate human beings that happen to have a political position that differs from his own. But then this is Thai Visa, I would suggest you consider this quote from Jefferson the next time you contemplate executing your political enemy's. "A wise and frugal Government, which shall retrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned." TJ

[IvanDobsky]

I can't get Thai TV, not that there is anything worth watching but isn't that the first thing to get pulled?

Is there a coup now or is it just my overactive imagination and poor cable reception?

Satellite TV truevisions been off here( gulf islands) for the last hour. Wonder if you are right?

just Thaicom satellite problems and my overactive imagination then.

[PhoenixRising]

Oh, just another coup d'état [yawn]:sleepy: , mai pen rai.

At least it's not another red-shirt burn-down-the-whole-city-riot like we had last year.

Nothing could be worse than that.

Maybe the military is meeting to find a way to lock up those punks once and for all. Jutaporn, stop spinning the 'Truth.'

[zthyadat]

Maybe ther army should mount a coup and eradicate the red shirt leaders - the country would certainly be better for it.

What an assenine comment! Why is that when farangs from countries with strong and mature democratic traditions comment on politics in Thailand, they are amongst the first to call for this politician or that political group to be banned, jailed or exiled? Then they complain about double standards in Thailand!

So do you think that any democratic country would put up with criminal elements causing no end of ongoing problems including viloence in which lives have been lost. Further, I don't see any double standard in wanting people who create, preach and are themselves involved in violence being allowed to continue unchecked .

No they generally wouldn't, but they would use democratic means to do so, not have a coup and "eradicate" their opposition, whatever "eradicate" means in this case.

[Thaddeus]

Ah, I wondered why the TV has gone off, getting 'Network Busy' on my mobile too.

Edit: A satellite ground station has technical problems.

Turned out that the mobile network was overloaded with all the proles trying to find out when the fictional bitch slapping was going to be returned to their screens, they understand that the real life bitch slapping will carry on as normal without being televised.

[otherstuff1957]

The red shirt leaders know what the Army is doing. A majority of the enlisted are red shirts, telegraphing their every move.

This is a dilemma for Army leaders. Will the soldiers turn on them?

It's time yellows need to face reality. They are now a minority, ( a rich and powerful minority)

They can't win elections and must stop using the Army and Courts to get their way every time they lose.

How many coups in recent history? 20?

Let's get real yellow shirts. The party is over.

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What exactly do you mean by 'recent history'? If you are referring to the past 20 years, there have been 2 coups. In the 60 years before then, there were 18 coups.

Thailand was openly ruled by a series of military dictators from 1932 to 1992 - with a few brief interludes of civilian rule. Since then we have had 2 years of governments which were appointed by the military and almost 18 years of elected civilian governments. Thailand is not a perfect democracy, but it's certainly improving.

If your looking for a real military dictatorship, why don't you head west.

Edited April 21, 2011 by otherstuff1957

[yoshiwara]

The red stunts have started. They want to come out on the streets so pushing the coup story is the way to go. If anybody but anybody other than themselves and their supine supporters thought that the reds just wanted an election, that illusion is about to blow away yet again. Short memories from last May. Oh how they would like an attempted coup. Pity their alter egos the yellows have already blown themselves up in the attempt to force the issue. We look forward to the red initiative ending on the same trash heap as the yellows. Abhisit wins again. The bookies might as well pay out now.

[patjem]

The red shirt leaders know what the Army is doing. A majority of the enlisted are red shirts, telegraphing their every move.

This is a dilemma for Army leaders. Will the soldiers turn on them?

It's time yellows need to face reality. They are now a minority, ( a rich and powerful minority)

They can't win elections and must stop using the Army and Courts to get their way every time they lose.

How many coups in recent history? 20?

Let's get real yellow shirts. The party is over.

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What do you think this has to even do with the yellow shirts? They've already made themselves somewhat insignificant.

[newermonkey]

I would prefer a coup and the army in power than a bunch of morons in power.

[englishinsiam]

I would prefer a coup and the army in power than a bunch of morons in power.

where's the difference?

[Just1Voice]

First off, I personally like Jutaporn. Everyday I look forward to seeing what he has to say for a good laugh. Just think of how dull Thai politics would be without this "Court Jester".

That said, lets look at a couple of other things in an objective light. I'm not suggesting anything - such a coup conspiracy - merely looking at a few things that have happened recently that see a bit "odd" to me. And perhaps only to me.

Thailand is only a few weeks away from having Parliament dissolved in preparation of an election, and suddenly there is a upsurge in things which seem just a bit strange.

1) The head of the Army ordered that LM charges be brought against Jutaporn & Company. There were a few thousand people at that particular rally, including news media and police, yet none of them found anything offensive in the remarks, or offensive enough to file LM charges. But a few weeks or so AFTER the rally, the Head of the Army does. Why is it that the head of the Army is the one behind this, and not other government agencies, such as the police, DSI, etc. I find that a bit strange.

2) I also find it a bit strange that the Army has staged exercise in BKK to show the "readiness" of the military to defend the country against "outside aggressors", particularly at this time, just prior to an election, and with the exact same divisions/regiments which were used in the last coup. Why the exercises, if that is all they are, at this particular time, and with these particular troops?

I'm not suggesting that there is, or may be, a coup being planned by the military, but these two things do make you pause for a moment and wonder about the implications. Which also brings to mind a third "option". If Puea Thai were to win the election with enough to form the next government, either outright or with other parties forming a coalition, will the military honor their word that they will accept the results of the election, knowing that a major part of the PT "agenda" would be to find a way to bring Thaksin back? I would like to believe they would, but something tells me that if PT wins, the Army will act, overtly or otherwise, to negate that victory. I hope I'm wrong, but only time will tell.

[newermonkey]

I would prefer a coup and the army in power than a bunch of morons in power.

where's the difference?

The reds are the morons and the army is controlled by educated thinkers. any more questions?:jap:

[SICHONSTEVE]

I can't get Thai TV, not that there is anything worth watching but isn't that the first thing to get pulled?

Is there a coup now or is it just my overactive imagination and poor cable reception?

The loss of your TV pictures was to do with a satellite technical problem, or maybe they aborted the coup, as the pictures were back on after 3 hours.

I am not saying that there hasn't been discussions within the top brass of the army about initiating one as if Pheua Thai do get elected then the army will not accept their hated enemies gaining control of the reins. I would like to know where the police's loyalty and allegiances lie on political grounds as they may side with the PPT and create 'fireworks' between the two forces as has happened in the past following coup's.

Edited April 22, 2011 by SICHONSTEVE

[SICHONSTEVE]

I would prefer a coup and the army in power than a bunch of morons in power.

where's the difference?

If you are referring to Abhisit, as I assume you are as he is the incumbent PM, then if this calculating, intelligent, diplomatic man with exemplary manners and sensible policies is a moron then what does that make you???!!!!

[jdinasia]

First off, I personally like Jutaporn. Everyday I look forward to seeing what he has to say for a good laugh. Just think of how dull Thai politics would be without this "Court Jester".

That said, lets look at a couple of other things in an objective light. I'm not suggesting anything - such a coup conspiracy - merely looking at a few things that have happened recently that see a bit "odd" to me. And perhaps only to me.

Thailand is only a few weeks away from having Parliament dissolved in preparation of an election, and suddenly there is a upsurge in things which seem just a bit strange.

1) The head of the Army ordered that LM charges be brought against Jutaporn & Company. There were a few thousand people at that particular rally, including news media and police, yet none of them found anything offensive in the remarks, or offensive enough to file LM charges. But a few weeks or so AFTER the rally, the Head of the Army does. Why is it that the head of the Army is the one behind this, and not other government agencies, such as the police, DSI, etc. I find that a bit strange.

2) I also find it a bit strange that the Army has staged exercise in BKK to show the "readiness" of the military to defend the country against "outside aggressors", particularly at this time, just prior to an election, and with the exact same divisions/regiments which were used in the last coup. Why the exercises, if that is all they are, at this particular time, and with these particular troops?

I'm not suggesting that there is, or may be, a coup being planned by the military, but these two things do make you pause for a moment and wonder about the implications. Which also brings to mind a third "option". If Puea Thai were to win the election with enough to form the next government, either outright or with other parties forming a coalition, will the military honor their word that they will accept the results of the election, knowing that a major part of the PT "agenda" would be to find a way to bring Thaksin back? I would like to believe they would, but something tells me that if PT wins, the Army will act, overtly or otherwise, to negate that victory. I hope I'm wrong, but only time will tell.

Your point 1 ----- "yet none of them found anything offensive in the remarks" is simply not true. Why was it the army chief that ordered the complaint to be made? It is a central role in the army to protect the monarchy. The DSI is on board with the charges as well, as they are going after bail revocation. "A few weeks after" appears to be wrong as well.

Your point 2 ---- conspiracy theory stuff

the rest? who knows but I am thinking the army will stay out of any overt actions to control the elections.

[surfaxxis]

I just saw a Tank roll into Nana Plaza, either the Soldiers are horny/thirsty or its a coup - honest gov, i really did see it!

NO No,, just in a hurry to buy sex lottery tickets

[Buchholz]

1) The head of the Army ordered that LM charges be brought against Jutaporn & Company. There were a few thousand people at that particular rally, including news media and police, yet none of them found anything offensive in the remarks, or offensive enough to file LM charges. But a few weeks or so AFTER the rally, the Head of the Army does. Why is it that the head of the Army is the one behind this, and not other government agencies, such as the police, DSI, etc. I find that a bit strange.

There are other entities besides the Army that are pressing for charges against the speeches made, eg. the DSI for one and the Network of Citizen Volunteers for another. It's not only the "head of the Army" that has found their comments offensive.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=460912&view=findpost&p=4365179

Additionally, even members of the Pheu Thai Party have voiced their displeasure and have sought to distance themselves from Jatuporn and the other Pheu Thai Party/Red Shirt offenders.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=460424&view=findpost&p=4365258

Lastly, the prosecutors that the DSI supplied evidence to in their case also seem to think the speeches were illegal.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=460912&view=findpost&p=4372216

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[FOODLOVER]

The red shirt leaders know what the Army is doing. A majority of the enlisted are red shirts, telegraphing their every move.

This is a dilemma for Army leaders. Will the soldiers turn on them?

It's time yellows need to face reality. They are now a minority, ( a rich and powerful minority)

They can't win elections and must stop using the Army and Courts to get their way every time they lose.

How many coups in recent history? 20?

Let's get real yellow shirts. The party is over.

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Yes, god forbid that they use the courts. It would be a sad day in Thailand when things were done legally.

[jayboy]

1) The head of the Army ordered that LM charges be brought against Jutaporn & Company. There were a few thousand people at that particular rally, including news media and police, yet none of them found anything offensive in the remarks, or offensive enough to file LM charges. But a few weeks or so AFTER the rally, the Head of the Army does. Why is it that the head of the Army is the one behind this, and not other government agencies, such as the police, DSI, etc. I find that a bit strange.

There are other entities besides the Army that are pressing for charges against the speeches made, eg. the DSI for one and the Network of Citizen Volunteers for another. It's not only the "head of the Army" that has found their comments offensive.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=460912&view=findpost&p=4365179

Additionally, even members of the Pheu Thai Party have voiced their displeasure and have sought to distance themselves from Jatuporn and the other Pheu Thai Party/Red Shirt offenders.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=460424&view=findpost&p=4365258

Lastly, the prosecutors that the DSI supplied evidence to in their case also seem to think the speeches were illegal.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=460912&view=findpost&p=4372216

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There are various front organisations serving the feudal and military interest.They think they have found a winner in whipping up hysteria on LM as they did on the Cambodian border.As to the Jatuporn case if the accounts I have read are correct he simply posed a very relevant question.There was no LM but for the the gruesome right wing activists that's not the point.The point is to stir up nationalist sentiment by invoking Thais' most deeply felt concerns.Anything goes including the lies and hatred

[TheyCallmeScooter]

So we witness Thaksin watching his deserting former loyalists,

who turn out to preffer being loyal royalists in their old age.

Staying with what they know and love, in spite of a possible payday.

If that payday didn't come to bear fruit, and they had turned their backs on king and country, it would be a long and lonely winter of their dotage in discontent.

To quote the english curse attributed to the Chinese.

'May you live in interesting times.'

Oh we do so we do..

I appreciated this post. Especially about how people (especially politicians) can find their political positions altered so dynamically.

What an assenine comment! Why is that when farangs from countries with strong and mature democratic traditions comment on politics in Thailand, they are amongst the first to call for this politician or that political group to be banned, jailed or exiled? Then they complain about double standards in Thailand!

Firstly Sir or Ma'am, don't buy into the marketing. There are no strong and mature democracies in the world; merely those who convince their slaves that they have choices where they have none whatsoever. None that are real, in any case. It's a brilliant trick, of course, and it's a great deal more brilliant / extensive that I've let on, but time is money.

To your question, it's because Jutaporn and Nattawut and Arisman and some of the other Red Shirt leaders, are called a very different label in our nations. And they boast prison tattoos. From inside prisons. Which is where we (generally) put people who commit crimes on a grand and (deadly, tragically so) scale. People who burn down cities, or try to, but fail to rally the arsonist troops to complete their intended goal.

Ironically, there are as many double standards in 'strong' and 'mature' democracies, as there are in Thailand. Humans are humans. No nation has a monopoly on hypocrisy.

For example, I can think of one or two recent Presidents or PM's who should be facing the Hague for some illegal and deadly crimes. And if not, their slaves should rise up and string them up. But they won't. And they won't.

Why would they? The former criminals own the Hague. The latter slaves believe they control the criminals they elect, despite every sign to the contrary. That's a mature and strong democracy, one of hilarious delusion. But that doesn't change the fact that people think those 3 above should be in prison....for the simple reason that the evidence of their heinous crimes isn't exactly...in dispute.

5) Let's do get real and start facing the facts that Thailand can't be so easily marked as "red" and "yellow", Many people have been disillusioned by the violent mobs of the reds. Many people have been turned off by the bizarre agenda of the yellows over the last couple of years.

Pretty sure everyone has. Except for the media, of course.

So pretty sure no one has. It's a cute trick, the media plays from time to time. Or all the time.

I think the real reason you are correct to label the Thai army (or at least many of the generals) as criminal is their long standing involvement in the sex and drugs industries

lol Jay, I see what you did there. But as to the charges above, I was unaware that the Thai populace was innocent. Oblivious, helpless. Watching the Holocaust but tragically unable to do anything but support it? I was unaware the generals wielded such totalitarian control over a nation of 60 million. Can you imagine that kind of power, enslaving all those poor young girls, enslaving all those millions of men to exploit those poor young girls, creating millions of addicts as customers for their product. All innocent of course. The only bad guys are just the big bad Army generals who are corrupt. Everyone else is off the hook pretty much.

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You probably thought I was being sarcastic right there. But I wasn't. I was unaware...but now I am very aware.

I swear to god I'm not being remotely facetious. But to understand why, and how (likely inadvertently) correct you really are; in your forgiving the seemingly unforgivably-complicit nation and heap all the blame onto a few bad guys; why, you'd have to read my 'incoherent' yet perfectly coherent, 'complex' yet perfectly simple, essays on the greatest scandal the world has known (which is only merely more evident in Thailand, than anywhere else - than everywhere else).

Or you might not bother. What with them being perfectly and annoying coherent and uncomplicated. Far too so, for comfort.

[TheyCallmeScooter]

Why is it that the head of the Army is the one behind this, and not other government agencies, such as the police, DSI, etc. I find that a bit strange.

I find it a bit strange that you fail to understand the precarious position non-Army persons find themselves in, trapped as they are by political positions they hold, which are so polarised, it renders them quite incapacitated with indecision. Or, basically what animatic said.

Spare a little pity please, on the poor public servant rudely asked to do his job, when doing his job might well mean more than merely losing it, should the fickle electorate swing to another, more preferred, slave master. Or back to an old one. As the case may be.

[TheyCallmeScooter]

They think they have found a winner in whipping up hysteria on LM as they did on the Cambodian border.As to the Jatuporn case if the accounts I have read are correct he simply posed a very relevant question.There was no LM but for the the gruesome right wing activists that's not the point.The point is to stir up nationalist sentiment by invoking Thais' most deeply felt concerns.Anything goes including the lies and hatred

I wonder if you're objective enough to consider whether or not the warring parties, might not be partners in a grand old show.

I'm not saying they are.

I'm merely noting how repetitive, and how conveniently, the game of whipping up emotions is played. In every nation around the world.

New masters, same as the old masters. Perhaps, just perhaps, that is because the 'masters' are merely representatives, stage actors tasked with playing their roles, in the employ of the same - single - firm.

[Just1Voice]

Ok, first off, I'm not defending Jutaporn by any means, and I think some of you are missing my point when I say it was the head of the army who demanded the charges be filed. Perhaps there were other groups, organizations, etc., who may have found some comments "offensive", but apparently not to the point of filing LM charges. If the remarks were that offensive, why were charges not filed the next day by these other groups, and why did it take nearly a week AFTER the speech for the head of the Army to demand that charges be filed? Spin it any way you want, no one said anything about filing charges UNTIL the military got involved, and suddenly others who were "offended" are crawling out of the woodwork. Sorry, but to me, something just isn't quite kosher here.

Second, I'm not trying to engage in any "coup conspiracy" theory, but merely questioning the timing of the "military exercises" by the Army at this time, with the same regiments which were involved in the previous cope. They can use whatever excuse they want, but on appearance, it doesn't look good.

I'm trying to look at things with a non-judgmental, non-biased opinion, and with an open mind to various possibilities. Perhaps some of you should do the same and stop jumping to conclusions without really comprehending what you are reading.