thaicbr Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Richard...Also can you explain how you managed to get a green book and registration on your New Chinese GPX off road bike seeing as how the importer told me it was not possible as they hadn't paid the on the road import tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard-BKK Posted July 15, 2011 Author Share Posted July 15, 2011 To get a greenbook for the GPX ZF250 Enduro was relative easy, I paid 67,000 THB for the motorcycle – the GPX ZF250 Enduro comes with everything needed to pass Thai road testing.. but it will fail with the strict Thai emission testing as it comes with a 49mm carburettor which is clear equipped with needles to win a motocross championship . Do a dealer removed the 49mm carburettor , and replaced it with a 32mm carb for emission testing, the twin exhaust pipe produces less than 92dB noise and with the 32mm carburettor it falls well into the Thai exhaust emission regulation.... The 32mm carburettor is not a permanent solution, the engine gets very hot and I cooked it almost several times... With 49mm carburettor the ZF250 is a monster on the dirt not much bikes are capable to even get near... As an average motocross rider you can set a Kawasaki KLX250 back one round in 3 rounds... Or you forget to go to toilet and and still win the race... I have one friend who has a Honda CRF250F, and shit he can still serve me mud in the face, but he and and few more 250cc off-road guys paid well over 220,000 THB for a 250cc motocross machine, while I 'm just, like, probably many readers here, just weekend dirt diggers... While with tricks you can get a license plate on a GPX ZF250, you will never be happy to join any Thai touring trips, while your performance, (transformed to road tires and rims) will impress even the most hardcore road racer... on the long run the GPX ZF250 will also outshine all motorcycle in full consumption.... (with actual a small fuel tank) I will not advice anybody to buy a GPX ZF250 motorcycle, shit if I had the money I would seriously buy a Honda CRF250R or Kawasaki KX250F for more than a quarter of a million Bath... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) To get a greenbook for the GPX ZF250 Enduro was relative easy, I paid 67,000 THB for the motorcycle – the GPX ZF250 Enduro comes with everything needed to pass Thai road testing.. but it will fail with the strict Thai emission testing as it comes with a 49mm carburettor which is clear equipped with needles to win a motocross championship . Do a dealer removed the 49mm carburettor , and replaced it with a 32mm carb for emission testing, the twin exhaust pipe produces less than 92dB noise and with the 32mm carburettor it falls well into the Thai exhaust emission regulation.... The 32mm carburettor is not a permanent solution, the engine gets very hot and I cooked it almost several times... With 49mm carburettor the ZF250 is a monster on the dirt not much bikes are capable to even get near... As an average motocross rider you can set a Kawasaki KLX250 back one round in 3 rounds... Or you forget to go to toilet and and still win the race... I have one friend who has a Honda CRF250F, and shit he can still serve me mud in the face, but he and and few more 250cc off-road guys paid well over 220,000 THB for a 250cc motocross machine, while I 'm just, like, probably many readers here, just weekend dirt diggers... While with tricks you can get a license plate on a GPX ZF250, you will never be happy to join any Thai touring trips, while your performance, (transformed to road tires and rims) will impress even the most hardcore road racer... on the long run the GPX ZF250 will also outshine all motorcycle in full consumption.... (with actual a small fuel tank) I will not advice anybody to buy a GPX ZF250 motorcycle, shit if I had the money I would seriously buy a Honda CRF250R or Kawasaki KX250F for more than a quarter of a million Bath... OK. I get that about the carb. But how did you get around the fact that the importers hadn't paid full ' on the road ' import duty. This is actually what the manager told me at the Motorshow. Also i thought that new bikes had to have Thai Homologation to get registered. iS IT A FACTORY/ IMPORTER OPTION. Also do ALL GPX dealers offer this registration. Edited July 15, 2011 by thaicbr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard-BKK Posted July 15, 2011 Author Share Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) Sorry how much is the Excise Tax on a motorcycle imported under the Thai - Chinese Free Trade Agreement... .... hu, huuuu huuuuu?? It's a motorcycle less than 250cc which produces less than 200 horsepower...hahaha Nope, read... all my posts the GPX ZF250 cannot be standard be registered when bought... it's a motocross motorcycle with lights... equipped with 49mm carburetor. For compare a Kawasaki KLR650 has a 40mm carburetor... Edited July 15, 2011 by Richard-BKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Sorry how much is the Excise Tax on a motorcycle imported under the Thai - Chinese Free Trade Agreement... .... hu, huuuu huuuuu?? It's a motorcycle less than 250cc which produces less than 200 horsepower...hahaha Nope, read... all my posts the GPX ZF250 cannot be standard be registered when bought... it's a motocross motorcycle with lights... equipped with 49mm carburetor. For compare a Kawasaki KLR650 has a 40mm carburetor... Richard.. I have no idea.. That's why i'm asking. There can be more than just 'import tax' to pay. So your saying that you get ALL the necessary paperwork from the dealer to register the bike as long as it passes the Thai emissions test... correct? Ok. again i will ask is it the importer doing the registration or a dealer? If dealer which one? I'm asking these questions because it looks like your is THE ONLY road legal GPX Zf250. But you see what i was talking about in the other thread.. you never seem to answer the questions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard-BKK Posted July 15, 2011 Author Share Posted July 15, 2011 Sorry how much is the Excise Tax on a motorcycle imported under the Thai - Chinese Free Trade Agreement... .... hu, huuuu huuuuu?? It's a motorcycle less than 250cc which produces less than 200 horsepower...hahaha Nope, read... all my posts the GPX ZF250 cannot be standard be registered when bought... it's a motocross motorcycle with lights... equipped with 49mm carburetor. For compare a Kawasaki KLR650 has a 40mm carburetor... Richard.. I have no idea.. That's why i'm asking. There can be more than just 'import tax' to pay. So your saying that you get ALL the necessary paperwork from the dealer to register the bike as long as it passes the Thai emissions test... correct? Ok. again i will ask is it the importer doing the registration or a dealer? If dealer which one? I'm asking these questions because it looks like your is THE ONLY road legal GPX Zf250. But you see what i was talking about in the other thread.. you never seem to answer the questions! THAICBR you need to read from post one, the GPX ZF250 is not registrable in default form, sorry, but I never say so also... I only said to get the GPX ZF250 road legal i would probably cost another 30,000 THB (which was actual 5,000 THB) more... but now I have a motorcycle which is road legal and use fuel as much as a average little car... Again nothing I didn't said before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) Sorry how much is the Excise Tax on a motorcycle imported under the Thai - Chinese Free Trade Agreement... .... hu, huuuu huuuuu?? It's a motorcycle less than 250cc which produces less than 200 horsepower...hahaha Nope, read... all my posts the GPX ZF250 cannot be standard be registered when bought... it's a motocross motorcycle with lights... equipped with 49mm carburetor. For compare a Kawasaki KLR650 has a 40mm carburetor... Richard.. I have no idea.. That's why i'm asking. There can be more than just 'import tax' to pay. So your saying that you get ALL the necessary paperwork from the dealer to register the bike as long as it passes the Thai emissions test... correct? Ok. again i will ask is it the importer doing the registration or a dealer? If dealer which one? I'm asking these questions because it looks like your is THE ONLY road legal GPX Zf250. But you see what i was talking about in the other thread.. you never seem to answer the questions! THAICBR you need to read from post one, the GPX ZF250 is not registrable in default form, sorry, but I never say so also... I only said to get the GPX ZF250 road legal i would probably cost another 30,000 THB (which was actual 5,000 THB) more... but now I have a motorcycle which is road legal and use fuel as much as a average little car... Again nothing I didn't said before Richard... I have read from post one.. That's why i'm asking you the questions as you are the only person with a legal on the road GPX Zf250. What i'm struggling to understand is WHY you are NOT answering my questions. You stated that you have in fact registered your bike so was it 30,000b or 35,000b to register? who registered it and arranged the modification and emissions test for you. The importer or the dealer? These are questions that have been asked several times already.. If it helps i can put them through google translate into Dutch for you (or what ever your 1st language is) Dutch. Richard ... Ik heb gelezen bericht een .. Daarom vraag ik u de vragen zoals je bent de enige persoon met een juridische op de weg GPX Zf250. Wat ik moeite om te begrijpen is waarom u niet beantwoorden van mijn vragen. U zegt dat u in feite uw fiets geregistreerd zodat was het 30.000 of 35.000 b b te registreren? die ingeschreven is en regelde de wijziging en de emissies te testen voor je. De importeur of de dealer? German. Richard ... Ich habe von post zu lesen .. Deswegen habe ich Sie gefragt habe die Fragen, wie Sie die einzige Person mit eigener Rechtspersönlichkeit auf der Straße GPX Zf250 sind. Was ich kämpfen, um zu verstehen, ist, warum Sie nicht zu beantworten sind meine Fragen. Sie erklärte, dass man in der Tat registriert Ihr Fahrrad so war es 30.000 oder 35.000 b b zu registrieren? wer registriert ist, und ordnete die Änderung und Abgasuntersuchung für Sie. Der Importeur oder den Händler? Edited July 15, 2011 by thaicbr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard-BKK Posted July 15, 2011 Author Share Posted July 15, 2011 Wow THAICBR discovered the Dutch an German translation button.. One I have a GPX ZF250 Enduro, and way would I tell you about anything about it? I shared the information how to do with several people, but knowing your reaction from other threats I have not the idea that you're actually interested. I hear Tiger sells a 17 horsepower X-road 250 (costs 99,000 THB and is actual less powerful that the Fuel-Injection Honda CBR150R...which cost less...) Have fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 AHHHHHHH. So this is what you mean by NOT keeping things private... I would actually say that your bike IS not legal as you tricked the Thai emissions test. Or even that the fact you will not answer simple questions when you claim to be an authority on the bikes in question and the Thai registration system (on the information thread that YOU started). So i believe that your plate is actually a false plate and green book. Richard. You are a liar and a charlatan. Prove me wrong with the correct verifiable information and i will gladly apologize. :jap: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard-BKK Posted July 15, 2011 Author Share Posted July 15, 2011 Please tell me, which bike is actual legal in Thailand? Sure the Honda Wave 110AT in the garage or the Honda Click in the driveway are legal.... But any of us who modified anything from a exhaust or a fueling system are creating an illegal motorcycle... Honestly, not just try to talk down my 49mm carburettor, how many motorcycles on the Thai road are riding around with DynoJet Power Commander or another fuel modification systems.... Not even to speak how many people modified the exhaust pipe of a motorcycle, without doing a greenbook modification..... will all this motorcycles pass exhaust emission testing..??? Hope you not expect a serious answer! I ride around with the stoke GPX ZF250 Enduro exhaust pipe …. Fully un-modified... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Please tell me, which bike is actual legal in Thailand? Sure the Honda Wave 110AT in the garage or the Honda Click in the driveway are legal.... But any of us who modified anything from a exhaust or a fueling system are creating an illegal motorcycle... Honestly, not just try to talk down my 49mm carburettor, how many motorcycles on the Thai road are riding around with DynoJet Power Commander or another fuel modification systems.... Not even to speak how many people modified the exhaust pipe of a motorcycle, without doing a greenbook modification..... will all this motorcycles pass exhaust emission testing..??? Hope you not expect a serious answer! I ride around with the stoke GPX ZF250 Enduro exhaust pipe …. Fully un-modified... BUT Richard. The difference is that they were legally able to be registered from the factory. aND YES BIKERS modify their bikes. But as usual a bull <deleted> answer from you. If it's real. just answer what do you have to hide... Jeeze it's simple. You have registered your un-registrable bike ( as told to me by the importer) For every ones benefit, not just mine HOW DID YOU DO IT. DID YOU USE THE DEALER OR THE IMPORTER TO DO IT FOR YOU. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard-BKK Posted July 15, 2011 Author Share Posted July 15, 2011 Again you compare this motorcycle with a legal motorcycle.... for me and I think I made it clear registering the GPX ZF250 was something as a secondary importance... Basically I wanted to try as I hate to take the bike out of the pickup every-time... For me the GPX ZF250 is a off-road motorcycle, and read again in anything I said before I seriously not recommended it as a street bike or touring bike...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Again you compare this motorcycle with a legal motorcycle.... for me and I think I made it clear registering the GPX ZF250 was something as a secondary importance... Basically I wanted to try as I hate to take the bike out of the pickup every-time... For me the GPX ZF250 is a off-road motorcycle, and read again in anything I said before I seriously not recommended it as a street bike or touring bike...? But it is actually used as a road bike in other markets it has all the road going equipment. I did not compare it to a legal motorcycle, I had read what you stated about the bike and I KNEW it could not be legally registered as it is (the importer told me) . I asked you HOW YOU got it legal. There is a difference. And again, what is it the 6-7th time of asking with no answer. All i am asking is who did the registration and the work required. the importer or the Dealer (if dealer , who are they. Please provide details) Hopefully you will answer. Thanks :jap: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwinchester Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Give up mate. If you can't get a straight answer it's pretty obvious something crooked is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apetley Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I for one am still interested to know the dealership that got the green book and plate. Be interested in one myself if it really is doable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBikeBKK Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I for one am still interested to know the dealership that got the green book and plate. Be interested in one myself if it really is doable. Are there any dealers selling this brand in Thailand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apetley Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I for one am still interested to know the dealership that got the green book and plate. Be interested in one myself if it really is doable. Are there any dealers selling this brand in Thailand? Well dick appears to have bought one and seems to imply a dealer sorted the green book for him but getting a straight answer for a more detailed explanation of the process is like pulling teeth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 i think the importer is on the Bang Na road. you can see the huge shop front sign from the expressway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taninthai Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Hi I have just had a test ride on a 140 cc version of these bikes costs 41,000 any info if it is possible or easier to get 1 of these registered for road use Many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmcompdoctor Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Well I really don't get why you would want to make this specific bike road legal when you obviously have a lot better options for the same price like the Tiger 250RS. The bike costs 62 000thb, the emission test will cost 30k not counting the change of carb (I doubt the dealer will mount it for free) plus import tax if any, it would be wiser to buy a straight road legal bike ...... Still it seems to be an amazingly cheap motocross bike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackjones Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 I think I would go along with what the last poster said. It is a cheap motocross bike and why would you want to make it road legal? Surely it would be better to transport it somehow to a motocross of enduro track and just ride it without wearing the tyres down getting there. However I can really sympathise with Thai CBR who has asked countless clear and simple questions about how it was registered without getting anything even resembling an answer to his queries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Thanks Jack.. My point really was that the bike is NOT a motocross bike (they do one with out lights, its cheaper) This bike is no different than a Kawasaki Klx250 which is road legal (but a lot more expensive) of which the OP was actually referring it to saying the GPX was better. Any way didn't get an answer. and don't expect to ever get one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED21 Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 (edited) Saw one at the dealer on Kaew Nawarat Rd. Looked really nice compared to the other chinese bikes. Dual sport bikes like these I think would be very well suited for the Thai roads. I believe, this would be a seller if only it can be registered normally. Edited August 8, 2011 by RED21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjie Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 I think I would go along with what the last poster said. It is a cheap motocross bike and why would you want to make it road legal? Surely it would be better to transport it somehow to a motocross of enduro track and just ride it without wearing the tyres down getting there. However I can really sympathise with Thai CBR who has asked countless clear and simple questions about how it was registered without getting anything even resembling an answer to his queries. Well we all know that at the very least getting one registered would be bending the law a little, I would have thought it would be downright obvious why someone wouldn't want to go into detail about it, no matter how much pestering from others. I also don't know why you would want this road legal, the tires would get shredded within months for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 I think I would go along with what the last poster said. It is a cheap motocross bike and why would you want to make it road legal? Surely it would be better to transport it somehow to a motocross of enduro track and just ride it without wearing the tyres down getting there. However I can really sympathise with Thai CBR who has asked countless clear and simple questions about how it was registered without getting anything even resembling an answer to his queries. Well we all know that at the very least getting one registered would be bending the law a little, I would have thought it would be downright obvious why someone wouldn't want to go into detail about it, no matter how much pestering from others. I also don't know why you would want this road legal, the tires would get shredded within months for a start. Dohhh you can change the tyres.................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjie Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 <br /><br /><br />I think I would go along with what the last poster said. It is a cheap motocross bike and why would you want to make it road legal? Surely it would be better to transport it somehow to a motocross of enduro track and just ride it without wearing the tyres down getting there. However I can really sympathise with Thai CBR who has asked countless clear and simple questions about how it was registered without getting anything even resembling an answer to his queries.<br /><br />Well we all know that at the very least getting one registered would be bending the law a little, I would have thought it would be downright obvious why someone wouldn't want to go into detail about it, no matter how much pestering from others.<br /><br />I also don't know why you would want this road legal, the tires would get shredded within months for a start.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Dohhh you can change the tyres.................................... <img src='http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /><br /><br /><br /><br />What will it end up costing once you've changed the carb, got your number plate, replaced the tires, suspension work etc.... and at the end of the day you will still have what is essentially a cheap chinese bike, you'll just have paid a lot more for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmcompdoctor Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Thanks Jack.. My point really was that the bike is NOT a motocross bike (they do one with out lights, its cheaper) This bike is no different than a Kawasaki Klx250 which is road legal (but a lot more expensive) of which the OP was actually referring it to saying the GPX was better. Any way didn't get an answer. and don't expect to ever get one This bike is really different from a Klx250 in matters of power, gas consumption and equipment. Any enduro bike would have lights but its not meaning its road legal. If you had this bike road legal you wont use it for commuter or in town for fuel consumpion alone no counting that wheelie in the traffic can be really dangerous. I saw a YZF450 (motocross model) made to road legal in Chiang Mai, its beautiful but for the price involved i'd buy a 690 superduke straight .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixed Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 It seems there hasn't been a lot of thought put into this bike. The large carb and small tank doesn't suit long rides, so why bother with the lights and mirrors? Motocross bikes, as opposed to enduro/trial bikes, are high performance, high maintenance. Chinese bikes have a mixed rep, so rather than copy the CRF, wouldn't have it been smarter to have produced something similar to the XR or TTR - bikes known for reliability and half decent performance? There's also no technical info available, what does it weigh? I think eventually the Chinese will produce a worthwhile dirt bike, but they don't appear to have done it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 It seems there hasn't been a lot of thought put into this bike. The large carb and small tank doesn't suit long rides, so why bother with the lights and mirrors? Motocross bikes, as opposed to enduro/trial bikes, are high performance, high maintenance. Chinese bikes have a mixed rep, so rather than copy the CRF, wouldn't have it been smarter to have produced something similar to the XR or TTR - bikes known for reliability and half decent performance? There's also no technical info available, what does it weigh? I think eventually the Chinese will produce a worthwhile dirt bike, but they don't appear to have done it yet. I agree, I gave some thought to the GPX but concluded that if i do spend 75k on a motocross bike I'll probably get something like a 2005 CR125 which I've seen on the classifieds here for around 50k baht. That leaves 25k for genuine spares like piston and rings. Plus it's a proven thoroughbred race bike, a 2 stroke (therefore easily fixed even by locals) and undoubtedly quicker than this bike. I'd forget about making either bike street legal, I've ridden converted (street legal) MX bikes on the road and they're horrible. Dangerous in fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard-BKK Posted September 2, 2011 Author Share Posted September 2, 2011 The bike is absolute not for long rides, with the stock knobby tires the size of the fuel tank is your last worry – your kidneys start complaining long before you run out of fuel. In the forests, and unpaved roads the tires do much better and the lights are really helpful when it gets a bit darker... or starts raining. With a full tank of fuel I can do about 150 to 170 kilometers, if I keep it a bit on a average speed and go easy on the throttle I can extend that range a bit more. So sure not a touring bike.... Still I changed the full off-road tires to a set of 50% road/50% off-road tires, as much of my riding is on hard unpaved- and gravel roads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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