Pheu Thai Politician Shot: Police

[jimbeam1]

Well the jousting begins.

Of course PT will blame the Dems or BJT or anyone else,

and never consider admitting that removing one PTP guy moves others up the line, and that it may not be the one just below him, but someone several rungs down who still would move up, and could easily hold a 'face loss grudge' for a decade.

So many suspects so little time.

So besides Thaksin, who is this guy aligned with, and formerly aligned with, and in competition with?

Murky but dangerous ; is the best description about the power plays we get for the next 6 weeks.

The bullets entered from the back and exited at the shoulder, he said. Pracha initially received a surgery to remove the bullets at Bang Pakok I Hospital before being transferred for his recuperation.

Uh, the bullets exited his shoulder,

but they operated to remove them???

Edit... Double post. Sorry

Edited May 11, 2011 by jimbeam1

[bangkokeddy]

[...] I have had Doctors in the family too. [...]

[CNXpuuyaibaan]

Well the jousting begins.

Of course PT will blame the Dems or BJT or anyone else,

and never consider admitting that removing one PTP guy moves others up the line, and that it may not be the one just below him, but someone several rungs down who still would move up, and could easily hold a 'face loss grudge' for a decade.

So many suspects so little time.

So besides Thaksin, who is this guy aligned with, and formerly aligned with, and in competition with?

Murky but dangerous ; is the best description about the power plays we get for the next 6 weeks.

The bullets entered from the back and exited at the shoulder, he said. Pracha initially received a surgery to remove the bullets at Bang Pakok I Hospital before being transferred for his recuperation.

Uh, the bullets exited his shoulder,

but they operated to remove them???

Yes, forensics of course performs surgery in order to find out wether the bullet or bullets did infact exit or stay inside. You seem very quick in blaming and questioning proceedures. Are you a forensic Scientist sir?

Actually, I have been hired by New York City Public Defender as a consulting forensic analyist at one point. Since you ask....

Secondly forensics is about crime scenes, but forensic surgery is ONLY done on corpses... the crime scene investigator would use the MD's reports as to projectile travel. No Dr. would just root around to find the bullets path for the legal aspects, only what is done to help the patient because of the bullet. "First, do no harm"

The 1st thing they do, after stabilizing the patient, is xray to see if the lead is still in the body and look for bone fragments and chips along it's route. which is why I questioned the badly reported statement above. I have had Doctors in the family too.

Forensic–adjective

1.pertaining to, connected with, or used in courts of law orpublic discussion and debate.

2.adapted or suited to argumentation; rhetorical.

–noun

3.forensics, ( used with a singular or plural verb ) the art orstudy of argumentation and formal debate.

Forensic science

maybe apply a smidgen of that analytics to a more balanced approach to Thai politics? from what I've read your pro-yellow and pro-establishment to the hilt

[bangkokeddy]

I am absolutely sure this is just internal political infighting.

Or it could be opposition supporters trying to take out an opponent.

Or maybe it was business competition.

Or it could be something else.

I'm absolutely sure it's one of those.

Of course.

Have you any crime investigators in the family too?

[jimbeam1]

Well the jousting begins.

Of course PT will blame the Dems or BJT or anyone else,

and never consider admitting that removing one PTP guy moves others up the line, and that it may not be the one just below him, but someone several rungs down who still would move up, and could easily hold a 'face loss grudge' for a decade.

So many suspects so little time.

So besides Thaksin, who is this guy aligned with, and formerly aligned with, and in competition with?

Murky but dangerous ; is the best description about the power plays we get for the next 6 weeks.

The bullets entered from the back and exited at the shoulder, he said. Pracha initially received a surgery to remove the bullets at Bang Pakok I Hospital before being transferred for his recuperation.

Uh, the bullets exited his shoulder,

but they operated to remove them???

The gunman was in a truck/riding a motorcycle?

Pracha had dropped off his driver and bodyguard?

Very much a case of 2+2=5 me thinks.

jb1

Edited May 11, 2011 by jimbeam1

[animatic]

strangely, the first reaction of some posters was that th red shot themselves this politicians....sure it s one more time thaksin's motivation, the nang fah yellows or any opposition would not do that....i think the red also ordered the yellow to take down the airport to have more sympathy.....

If i remember correctly, the last murder of politician (a TRT woman) was pinned on a fellow TRT politician... who somehow is still at large. So it's not far fetched at all to consider the possibility of an inside job, so to speak.

Exactly. This is like 200 rats fighting over enough cheese for 160. Some are bound to get shoved out of the 'scrum for chum' more violently than others, or get a leg chewed off getting too close to the greedier mouths..

Edited May 11, 2011 by animatic

[lannarebirth]

In my history and with our culture we were always taught to be proud Thai's.

Please list everything you have been taught to be proud of. Thanks in advance. BTW, where I come from pride is a sin, but we're all sinners aren't we?

[lannarebirth]

Not sure if politically motivated?

My bet is on an inside job, the usual dirty tactics that are employed when you need public sympathy, something like a car bomb, or an attempted assasination, and claim the other side is out to hurt you. Not like we haven't seen that before on numerous occasions....

I would guess not politically motivated. What's the upside? more likely than not the disdain of a constituent he squeezed too hard to get what his "free" representation would not supply.

[lannarebirth]

In my history and with our culture we were always taught to be proud Thai's. As a Professor with a PhD in Political Science for the past 26 years I can say at this moment that I cannot be Proud to be Thai.

I am very sad to hear that you are no longer proud to be Thai. While I have never been particularly naiive about my country's numerous faults, well, perhaps in my idealistic youth, I am still very proud to be Thai. In every nation there is crime, there is hate, there is controversy and violence, it would be sad to see people give up on their countries, as you sound as though you have, by a shooting (the cause of which we, as yet, have no deeper knowledge). As respectable as you sound with your PhD and 26 years' professorial experience, and while I have none of your credentials, I still believe in my country and I also believe that more of us should try to be positive and concilatory, rather than glum and playing the blame game as so many on both sides are want to do these days. We have difficault decisions to make in the months ahead. I know where my vote lies, but I would respect any outcome (as long as there is no subsequent whitewashing of crimes). Come on, be proud to be Thai. There is still a lot going here inspite of the doom and gloom written on this forum on a daily basis by some bleak outlookers.

You really ought to shake this "pride" crap. It makes you look stupid and biased and it makes those who would hate you seem more right. You're a journalist with a smattering of English are you not? Find another word.

Edited May 11, 2011 by lannarebirth

[Siripon]

Samut Prakarn is a notoriously dirty province, both in the physical sense, ie pollution, and the ethical, ie the infighting for positions of power, both at the local level and national.

After all , the local godfather, Mr Vattana Asavahame has been on the run for years,reportedly in Cambodia, fleeing a conviction for 10 years without parole for corruption.

[animatic]

'animatic' timestamp='1305083775' post='4415773'

Well the jousting begins.

Of course PT will blame the Dems or BJT or anyone else,

and never consider admitting that removing one PTP guy moves others up the line, and that it may not be the one just below him, but someone several rungs down who still would move up, and could easily hold a 'face loss grudge' for a decade.

So many suspects so little time.

So besides Thaksin, who is this guy aligned with, and formerly aligned with, and in competition with?

Murky but dangerous ; is the best description about the power plays we get for the next 6 weeks.

The bullets entered from the back and exited at the shoulder, he said. Pracha initially received a surgery to remove the bullets at Bang Pakok I Hospital before being transferred for his recuperation.

Uh, the bullets exited his shoulder,

but they operated to remove them???

Yes, forensics of course performs surgery in order to find out wether the bullet or bullets did infact exit or stay inside. You seem very quick in blaming and questioning proceedures. Are you a forensic Scientist sir?

Actually, I have been hired by New York City Public Defender as a consulting forensic analyist at one point. Since you ask....

Secondly forensics is about crime scenes, but forensic surgery is ONLY done on corpses... the crime scene investigator would use the MD's reports as to projectile travel. No Dr. would just root around to find the bullets path for the legal aspects, only what is done to help the patient because of the bullet. "First, do no harm"

The 1st thing they do, after stabilizing the patient, is xray to see if the lead is still in the body and look for bone fragments and chips along it's route. which is why I questioned the badly reported statement above. I have had Doctors in the family too.

Forensic–adjective

1.pertaining to, connected with, or used in courts of law orpublic discussion and debate.

2.adapted or suited to argumentation; rhetorical.

–noun

3.forensics, ( used with a singular or plural verb ) the art orstudy of argumentation and formal debate.

Forensic science

maybe apply a smidgen of that analytics to a more balanced approach to Thai politics? from what I've read your pro-yellow and pro-establishment to the hilt

No that is anti-Thaksin to the hilt.

I find siding with him ANYTHING but a balanced approach.

[maewrocks]

Isn' t it amusing how all these red haters, who slam any claims that the government tried to frame the reds, are the first ones to claim that it's an 'inside job'.

[siampolee]

Sad to say, ''There non so blind as those that can see.''

I am amazed at the constant denial of the Red Shirt Brigade concerning their violent rhetoric along with their physical violence and general intimidation tactics, . warriors who attacked hospital patients !!!

Forgotten those brave warriors have you Maewrocks ?

[maewrocks]

Sad to say, ''There non so blind as those that can see.''

I am amazed at the constant denial of the Red Shirt Brigade concerning their violent rhetoric along with their physical violence and general intimidation tactics, . warriors who attacked hospital patients !!!

Forgotten those brave warriors have you Maewrocks ?

Numerous eye witnesses stated that the government positioned snipers in Chulalongkorn Hospital. The reds became aware of this and entered the hospital in an attempt to stop assassinations of their leaders. Any claims of hospital patients being attacked is absolute government propaganda.

[Siripon]

Sad to say, ''There non so blind as those that can see.''

I am amazed at the constant denial of the Red Shirt Brigade concerning their violent rhetoric along with their physical violence and general intimidation tactics, . warriors who attacked hospital patients !!!

Forgotten those brave warriors have you Maewrocks ?

Numerous eye witnesses stated that the government positioned snipers in Chulalongkorn Hospital. The reds became aware of this and entered the hospital in an attempt to stop assassinations of their leaders. Any claims of hospital patients being attacked is absolute government propaganda.

Maewrocks in his cradle.

Didn't you see the fat man Jatuporn warn the reds who decided to invade Chulalongkorn hospital, ' If you do this, you are on your own.'?

[jdinasia]

Yes, forensics of course performs surgery in order to find out wether the bullet or bullets did infact exit or stay inside. You seem very quick in blaming and questioning proceedures. Are you a forensic Scientist sir?

Huh?

An X-Ray would ascertain if bullets or bullet fragments remained ... you only need surgery for removal of bullets if they don't exit. I think therefore what we have is shoddy writing in the story when it says...

The bullets entered from the back and exited at the shoulder, he said. Pracha initially received a surgery to remove the bullets at Bang Pakok I Hospital before being transferred for his recuperation.

[metisdead]

Posters are reminded to stay on topic and to refrain from comments concerning the character of other posters. Some posts have been removed.

[Insight]

This "attempted assassination" is already starting to stink pretty badly IMO. He may of took a bullet at close range by an M16 and survived, but within hours the guy is already declaring his duty to the second coming and making the right-level-of-vague finger points at somebody who repeatedly gets blamed by the red shirts for all the chaos caused by the red shirts.

All the makings of a Thaksin stunt...

[whybother]

Pheu Thai Party Demands Govt to Step Up Security for Candidates

In wake of the shooting of a former Samut Prakarn MP, the Pheu Thai Party demands the government and the National Police Office provide security for the candidates of the upcoming election.

The Pheu Thai Party has released a statement following the shooting of former Samut Prakarn MP Pracha Prasopdee.

The statement read by Pheu Thai Party Leader Yongyuth Wichaidit condemns those responsible for the shooting for having no regard for the law and trying to murder one of the party's MP candidates.

Yongyuth added that the incident has struck fear among the candidates.

The party leader demands the government and the National Police Office ensure security for all candidates and to eradicate electoral violence.

Yongyuth said the Pheu Thai Party is not discouraged by the shooting incident and its candidates will continue their campaigns.

Meanwhile, after having visited Pracha at the hospital, former Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat pleaded with the prime minister to provide security for the public and the candidates during the period leading up to the election.

Somchai admitted that the main opposition party will have to be more cautious while campaigning and may need assistance from the police at some point.

-- Tan Network 2011-05-12

[webfact]

Former Pheu Thai MP Pracha broke down in tears during a press conference on his shooting; claims to know those behind the shooting /TAN_Network

[whybother]

Former Pheu Thai MP Pracha broke down in tears during a press conference on his shooting; claims to know those behind the shooting /TAN_Network

His name begin's with a "?"

[siampolee]

Former Pheu Thai MP Pracha broke down in tears during a press conference on his shooting; claims to know those behind the shooting

Indeed if the name of the assailant is known why have there been no revelations as to, ''who or why ?

Wouldn't be the first time an event has been, ''stage managed,'' so as to create sympathy for interested parties with a view to the main chance.

[webfact]

Teary ex-MP Pracha denies setting up his own shooting: knows who planned his attempted murder but forgives /MCOT

[webfact]

Police Makes Progress in Investigation of MP Shooting

Police have reviewed surveillance tapes and are planning to question witnesses in the investigation into the shooting of a former Samut Prakarn MP of the Pheu Thai Party.

Police say they are making significant progress in the investigation into the shooting of former Samut Prakarn MP for Pheu Thai Party Pracha Prasopdee.

The investigation team has reported that from reviewing the surveillance tapes of the CCTV cameras installed around the crime scene, there was a suspicious black truck which might have been used by the gunmen in the shooting.

However, the police have refrained from confirming whether the vehicle was actually involved in the incident due to the poor video quality recorded during the night.

The police are also planning to summon two witnesses who were passing by on a motorcycle when the attack occurred.

The investigation team believes the gunmen used a truck during the shooting rather than a large motorcycle as initially reported.

At any rate, the police will hold a meeting about progress of the investigation, as there have been some clues about the weapons used in the shooting.

Meanwhile, Pracha has been receiving treatment at a Bangkok hospital since yesterday.

On the 15th floor of the hospital, where the injured MP is staying, security guards have been assigned to screen his visitors.

Only those permitted by Pracha or his family are allowed for a visit.

-- Tan Network 2011-05-12

[whybother]

Teary ex-MP Pracha denies setting up his own shooting: knows who planned his attempted murder but forgives /MCOT

Can we assume that it wasn't one of the opposition parties then?

Or will the PTP/Red shirts continue to use it, without actually identifying who it was.

[Moruya]

If a professional were trying to kill him a .22 would not have been the weapon of choice. Rabbits, pheasants etc. are about the limit.

[webfact]

Former MP Pracha denies setting up own ambush

BANGKOK, May 12 -- Veteran politician Pracha Prasopdee told press conference with tears, denying that he was setting up his shooting incident but believed he knew who masterminded his killing attempt but he had forgiven and let the police did thier job.

Former Puea Thai MP for Samut Prakarn Pracha told reporters at Rama 9 Hospital where he stayed for recovering from gun attack on Monday night in which he was shot in the back at around 9pm in the Phra Pradaeng area while he was driving his car to Phra Samut Chedi district.

Mr Pracha is one of the Puea Thai party members closest to fugitive former premier Thaksin Shinawatra.

He also showed his gunshot wound in his back, and path of a bullet that narrowly missed entering his head.

Asked whether he had set up the incident himself for political reasons, Mr Pracha said that there was no reason to risk his life.

Members of the public could make their own judgement, he said, but asserted that he believed the case could be closed in a quite short period of time as it was now a matter of public attention, said Mr Pracha.

Mr Pracha said as far as he known, there was not so fierce fighting in local election in Samut Prakarn and he wanted to give fairness to all party. Althought the police could not identify who was behind his attack, he has given his information to police and let the police did their job of investigation.

He said Mr Thaksin had telephoned to ask about his condition and instructed him to move from Bang Pakok 1 Hospital to Rama 9 Hospital.

Mr Pracha said the incident could not discourage him and if he was elected in the upcoming election, he would carry out his duty in Parliament. (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2011-05-12

[bapak]

Teary ex-MP Pracha denies setting up his own shooting: knows who planned his attempted murder but forgives /MCOT

In some places, if you withheld such information, you would be charged with "Abetting a Felony".

Edited May 12, 2011 by bapak

[rubl]

He said Mr Thaksin had telephoned to ask about his condition and instructed him to move from Bang Pakok 1 Hospital to Rama 9 Hospital.

K. Thaksin 'instructed' him? Is that execution of the 'Thaksin thinks, PTP does' policy

Edited May 12, 2011 by rubl

[webfact]

POLITICAL VIOLENCE

I forgive : Pracha

By The Nation

Pracha Prasobdee, Pheu Thai candidate for reelection bid in Samut Prakan, on Thursday said the contract on his life was linked to campaigning and that he knew who wanted him dead.

"I forgive the perpetrator although I have already given the details of what I know to police," he said. Pracha said he was confident police could resolve the case in a speedy manner.

Pracha sustained gun wounds on Wednesday's night while he was driving home located in his Phra Pradeang constituency. An unidentified gunman opened fire from a pick-up truck.

Commenting on the motive of his attack, he said it was campaign-related.

He dismissed speculation by Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban that his involvement in local politics might have triggered the attack.

He also ruled out the linkage to a powerful family. Local politician Chonsawat Asavahame paid him a hospital visit, he said.

-- The Nation 2011-05-12