Snoh Confirms Move To Pheu Thai

[rubl]

The only talk of a coup is coming from the fat man, who thankfully is now in jail, joining in the same successful diet programme as Victor Bout and Nattawut.

The last coup was welcomed by the middle class.

Jatupon claimed on stage last year that the rank and file soldiers, hailing from Issan and the North, would not follow orders to march against the red shirts.

As usual, he was wrong.

Your statement overlooks several critical facts. Specifically;

1. The police had been unable to control the crowds. This may have been due to either an inadequcy and/or an unwillngess to engage the protestors.

2. Until May 14, regular army units had been deployed. There was a reluctance to move against the protestors. Actions consisted mostly of containment and "picking off" protestors when the opportunity arose. The commanders at the time were reported to have expressed a reluctance to take actions that would have caused large scale damage or injuries.

3. The turning point came when the 21st Infantry Regiment of the Royal Armament, aka the Queen's Guard, were deployed. At the same time, the 2nd Infantry Battalion of the 31stInfantry Regiment aka the Royal Guards were deployed. Army regulars were replaced at key contact points with Royal unit personnel.

4. On May 19, the red barricades were breached by a Royal Guards attack, and the end of the protests started, whileBangkok's commercial structures were set on fire.

I offer that until the regular army units and the police were replaced by the Royal units, no significant action was undertaken. The reluctance to act until that time may have been a reflection of the police regular army's reluctance to inflict fatalities and physical damage to Bangkok. Is it a coincidence that the police and army units personnel are drawn from the general population with a heavy weighting from the north and north east?

The term middle class is misused in Thailand. Supposedly the middle class occupies the space between the working class and the upper classes in Thailand. If one applies the conventional western parameters of the middle class; a good education, a professional or senior management position and home ownership, then yes the middle class might very well have been supporters of the military coup. On the other hand if one uses the definition that is typically used in Thailand and is best expressed by the Asian Development Bank, "people living on approximately US$2-20 per day as determining middle class status. For a family of two parents and two children, therefore, that would equate to a family income of around 7,200-72,000 baht per month. That would encompass the great majority of urban, salary-owning Thai citizens.", then the answer would be no, the middle class did not support a coup.

Dear GKid, please stick to the point.

Coup rumours abound, none emerging. The last coup in September 2006 was welcomed by middle class and others. The Army involved in cleaning up protesters included various units between April 10th and May 19th 2010.

The points you raise may or may not be valid, but do not address k. Siriporn's points.

The police being 'unable' to operate professionally suggest no choice but to call in the army. Army units were surprised by unexpected violence in trying to disperse protesters, so call in better units. Those better units breached the barricades and Bangkok started burning? No funny suggestion here, now would there? Lastly the part on 'middle-class' I will not even respond to.

Back to the drawing-board methinks. alternatively go stand in the downpour we're having now here in Bangkok :-)

[geriatrickid]

Dear GKid, please stick to the point.

Coup rumours abound, none emerging. The last coup in September 2006 was welcomed by middle class and others. The Army involved in cleaning up protesters included various units between April 10th and May 19th 2010.

The points you raise may or may not be valid, but do not address k. Siriporn's points.

The police being 'unable' to operate professionally suggest no choice but to call in the army. Army units were surprised by unexpected violence in trying to disperse protesters, so call in better units. Those better units breached the barricades and Bangkok started burning? No funny suggestion here, now would there? Lastly the part on 'middle-class' I will not even respond to.

Back to the drawing-board methinks. alternatively go stand in the downpour we're having now here in Bangkok :-)

I was responding to the statement that was made that reads as follows; "Jatupon claimed on stage last year that the rank and file soldiers, hailing from Issan and the North, would not follow orders to march against the red shirts. As usual, he was wrong."

I offered that the regular army units and the police did not demonstrate a willingness to march against the redshirts, at least to the point where there would be significant bloodshed. The regular military unit leaderships were criticized by many in TVF because of their patient approach. I believe that the reluctance came from the heart and there was nothing political about it per se. Rather, the regular units didn't want to slaughter their countryfolk. The regular units are the ones that perform the humanitarian activities in the event of floods or other catastrophes. I also believe that the patience shown by the regular units prevented the large scale arson and vandalism that only occurred only after the Royal Guards units were deployed. The military and police commanders that were replaced in early May had shown a semblance of responsibility and concern for their countrymen and women by not employing the confrontational tactics. Hence, Jatupon had a valid point, although his reasoning was not entirely correct..

In order for there to be a successful military coup there has to be sufficient military support. At this time, I suggest that there is a schism between the Royal Guards units and the regular forces. The assumption that the Thai military is an homogeneous group is incorrect. A military coup at this time would usurp PM Abhisit and I believe that the rank and file military are sympathetic to his position and would not support his overthrow. In the event that the PT returns to power, I also believe that the regular military units would remain neutral with the only potential problems arising from the Royal Guard units. I offer that the next attempt at a coup may be met with a countercoup that will be a defining moment for the Royal Guard units that now benefit from having the senior command of the military drawn from Royal Guard units. Regular Thai military units do not benefit from the military spending in quite the same way as the Royal Guard units and I believe that this has created resentment. The personnel in regular units don't get the same perks and benefits, and you might want to check out the living conditions between a conscript unit from Chiang Mai or Surin and that of the Queens Guards. The officers of the Northern units are not likely to be driving a Mercedes.The regular army units really do reflect the nation of Thailand. Whatever the faults may be, they are still the people's army and maintain a link to their communities.

[rubl]

I was responding to the statement that was made that reads as follows; "Jatupon claimed on stage last year that the rank and file soldiers, hailing from Issan and the North, would not follow orders to march against the red shirts. As usual, he was wrong."

...

The personnel in regular units don't get the same perks and benefits, and you might want to check out the living conditions between a conscript unit from Chiang Mai or Surin and that of the Queens Guards. The officers of the Northern units are not likely to be driving a Mercedes.The regular army units really do reflect the nation of Thailand. Whatever the faults may be, they are still the people's army and maintain a link to their communities.

True, true, only UDD leaders drive Mercs

Edited May 14, 2011 by rubl

[NanLaew]

Pheu Thai should change it's name to "Thai Rak Taksin".

Which is most likely true anyway.

[NanLaew]

to wage the ultimate war on illicit drugs," he said.

Given Snoh's past association with TRT and his new found association with the TRT proxy PTP, that's more than a bit disconcerting verbiage.

Why? The promise of getting drugs and dealers of the streets was pretty much fulfilled. Is it really such a pity that much of the dogshit disappeared in the process?

[Buchholz]

to wage the ultimate war on illicit drugs," he said.

Given Snoh's past association with TRT and his new found association with the TRT proxy PTP, that's more than a bit disconcerting verbiage.

Why? The promise of getting drugs and dealers of the streets was pretty much fulfilled. Is it really such a pity that much of the dogshit disappeared in the process?

Despite Thaksin's absurd public proclamation that he had eliminated all drugs everywhere in Thailand, drugs never disappeared from the streets during Thaksin's murderous Drug War. They were only made more expensive. Similarly, no major drug dealers were removed, either.

2,500 non-judicial murders was the result. With Snoh's adding "ultimate" to the next Drug War, one can only imagine how many citizens will be murdered in it.

Grandma Udom may not be so lucky to escape with her life in the next one. She also doesn't qualify for your label, "dogshit"

Grandma Udom and the infamous refrigerator that saved her and her husband's life when a Drug War commando unit mistakenly attacked their house

Deputy Leader Of The People Power Party To Stand Trial For Attempted Murder, Former Thaksin Cabinet Minister and 7 Police Officers accused

The Ayutthaya provincial court yesterday accepted a case filed by an elderly couple accusing Yongyuth Tiyapairat, Deputy Leader of the People Power Party, of attempted murder in a raid which saw police riddle their house with bullets three years ago.

On July 7, 2004, Yongyuth, while serving as PM's Office Minister in the Thaksin administration, led a security task force in a night raid on a house owned by Udom and Nisai Satakurama in Ayutthaya's Bang Sai district.

[krishnak]

A dirty politician, joins a dirty party

Snoh, is exactly the sort of politician that Thailand needs to get rid of.

i think that Thailand need a whole revolution, not only to remove some polticians

Maybe these famous words might make you think twice?

REVOLUTION-John Lennon

You say you want a revolution

Well, you know

We all want to change the world

You tell me that it's evolution

Well, you know

We all want to change the world

But when you talk about destruction

Don't you know that you can count me out?

You say you've got a real solution

Well, you know

We'd all love to see the plan

You ask me for a contribution

Well, you know

We are doing what we can

But if you want money for people with minds that hate

All I can tell is, brother, you'll have to wait

You say you'll change the constitution

Well, you know

We all want to change your head

You tell me it's the institution

Well, you know

You'd better free your mind instead

But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Maew (Mao)

You ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow

With apologies to the memory of John Lennon (choruses omitted for space)

yes maybe what this county need is a revolution ,but hwen i am saying that i am not talking about violence or destruccion, i am talking about justice, cuz it happens that while we are here in this forum debatin' bout thaksin and many other politicians, iin this country( one of the poores countries in the world) millions of poeple are struggling in the poverty,in this country politicians need to stop thinking about themselves and start thinking about the people,if you are a PM you are a PM to serve the people, if you are not able to care for the PEOPLE, then you should be removed,thats what i am talking about .

[krishnak]

I am waiting for Chalerm Yoobumrung to join the gangsters party. Get Barnharn & Chavilit & it'll be old home week. Yes the old boars will be feeding at the trough.

The next military coup, if Mr Taksin is here; will mean a bullet in the head for him. Problem solved.

our totally wrong , i live in a place near to bangkok, in which the mayority of the people are PTP suporters, and i can forecast that if this time we have another military coup the most provably is that the coup will cause a civil war

[jayboy]

Grandma Udom may not be so lucky to escape with her life in the next one. She also doesn't qualify for your label, "dogshit"

Grandma Udom and the infamous refrigerator that saved her and her husband's life when a Drug War commando unit mistakenly attacked their house

Grandma Udom and her fridge was news to me but a google search reveals the matter has been discussed at obsessive length at the time.There is something oddly familiar about the style and tone - can't quite put my finger on it.

Her main concern was the compensation for the fridge.I hope it was replaced.

[Insight]

Regarding John Lennon, I remember he wrote a song called ' Give Peace A Chance' and 'Imagine', I don't think he was on the side of violence at all.

As for the switch of Sanoh and his sons- this is a man who vehemently oposed the 1996 'green' constitution for imposing checks and balances on politicians- and Yoko Ono supports him!

Can you see John Lennon siding with the likes of Jutaporn, Arisman, Nuttawut, or - Thaksin.

Associating his legacy with the Thaksin's disciples is a complete insult to his legacy.

[jayboy]

Regarding John Lennon, I remember he wrote a song called ' Give Peace A Chance' and 'Imagine', I don't think he was on the side of violence at all.

As for the switch of Sanoh and his sons- this is a man who vehemently oposed the 1996 'green' constitution for imposing checks and balances on politicians- and Yoko Ono supports him!

Can you see John Lennon siding with the likes of Jutaporn, Arisman, Nuttawut, or - Thaksin.

Associating his legacy with the Thaksin's disciples is a complete insult to his legacy.

Two probably unpopular points but I think probably undeniable - with some reflection

1.John Lennon would have been a strong supporter of the redshirt movement, not of old fashioned feudal/military interests.

2.John Lennon was an airhead, hopeless overrated as a "thinker", self centred and intellectually incoherent - great rock and roll voice though.

[Buchholz]

Grandma Udom may not be so lucky to escape with her life in the next one. She also doesn't qualify for your label, "dogshit"

Grandma Udom and the infamous refrigerator that saved her and her husband's life when a Drug War commando unit mistakenly attacked their house

Her main concern was the compensation for the fridge.I hope it was replaced.

It never was, which pales in comparison to the hundreds of rounds fired into her home because she was mistakenly considered "dogshit".

[ratcatcher]

]/quote]

yes maybe what this county need is a revolution ,but hwen i am saying that i am not talking about violence or destruccion, i am talking about justice, cuz it happens that while we are here in this forum debatin' bout thaksin and many other politicians, iin this country( one of the poores countries in the world) millions of poeple are struggling in the poverty,in this country politicians need to stop thinking about themselves and start thinking about the people,if you are a PM you are a PM to serve the people, if you are not able to care for the PEOPLE, then you should be removed,thats what i am talking about .

I'm not sure which world you live in, but in your next post you mention you dwell outside Bangkok. To say that Thailand is "one of the poorest countries in the world" is patently absurd, since there are over 180 countries in the world, and Thailand ranks approximately in 30th place on a GDP basis, your claim is laughable.

There are many poor people in Thailand, sometimes referred to in a derogatory way as "grass roots", but these people all have food, shelter and access to some sort of medical care.

Most families have TV, amobile phone(s) and a motorcycle.

There aren't dead bodies lying on the road as in some countries.(e3xcept when there's bus crash of course) This isn't Somalia or Sierra Leone.

You say the politicians ought to start thinking about the people not themselves. Unfortunately,Thaksin was busy looking after himself after he'd thrown the peasants some goodies to keep them happy. Thaksin fled the country because he was guilty of criminal activity. The next few months will be interesting and tense for Thailand. :jap:

[metisdead]

A nonsense post and reply have been removed.

[rixalex]

Pheu Thai should change it's name to "Thai Rak Taksin".

Which is most likely true anyway.

There was a time when it was. Now, in 2011, the only people who believe it still is, are the fanatics. Not saying there's not a large number of them, the fanatics - there are - but they are overwhelmingly outnumbered by the rest of the population - the population still capable of rational thinking.

[animatic]

There is a big difference between adhering to an ideal,

and supporting amoral, violence prone, charlatans, using that ideal as a way to gain power and wealth.

Edited May 15, 2011 by animatic

[rubl]

Regarding John Lennon, I remember he wrote a song called ' Give Peace A Chance' and 'Imagine', I don't think he was on the side of violence at all.

As for the switch of Sanoh and his sons- this is a man who vehemently oposed the 1996 'green' constitution for imposing checks and balances on politicians- and Yoko Ono supports him!

Can you see John Lennon siding with the likes of Jutaporn, Arisman, Nuttawut, or - Thaksin.

Associating his legacy with the Thaksin's disciples is a complete insult to his legacy.

Two probably unpopular points but I think probably undeniable - with some reflection

1.John Lennon would have been a strong supporter of the redshirt movement, not of old fashioned feudal/military interests.

2.John Lennon was an airhead, hopeless overrated as a "thinker", self centred and intellectually incoherent - great rock and roll voice though.

I assume a slight mishap, but interesting to see the suggestion that a red-shirt supporter could be overrated, self-centered and intellectual incoherent.

[rixalex]

to wage the ultimate war on illicit drugs," he said.

Given Snoh's past association with TRT and his new found association with the TRT proxy PTP, that's more than a bit disconcerting verbiage.

Why? The promise of getting drugs and dealers of the streets was pretty much fulfilled. Is it really such a pity that much of the dogshit disappeared in the process?

Do any of these people you describe of as being "dogshit" have names?

[jayboy]

Regarding John Lennon, I remember he wrote a song called ' Give Peace A Chance' and 'Imagine', I don't think he was on the side of violence at all.

As for the switch of Sanoh and his sons- this is a man who vehemently oposed the 1996 'green' constitution for imposing checks and balances on politicians- and Yoko Ono supports him!

Can you see John Lennon siding with the likes of Jutaporn, Arisman, Nuttawut, or - Thaksin.

Associating his legacy with the Thaksin's disciples is a complete insult to his legacy.

Two probably unpopular points but I think probably undeniable - with some reflection

1.John Lennon would have been a strong supporter of the redshirt movement, not of old fashioned feudal/military interests.

2.John Lennon was an airhead, hopeless overrated as a "thinker", self centred and intellectually incoherent - great rock and roll voice though.

I assume a slight mishap, but interesting to see the suggestion that a red-shirt supporter could be overrated, self-centered and intellectual incoherent.

Why not? Thaksin falls into this category.

[letitbe]

I am waiting for Chalerm Yoobumrung to join the gangsters party. Get Barnharn & Chavilit & it'll be old home week. Yes the old boars will be feeding at the trough.

The next military coup, if Mr Taksin is here; will mean a bullet in the head for him. Problem solved.

our totally wrong , i live in a place near to bangkok, in which the mayority of the people are PTP suporters, and i can forecast that if this time we have another military coup the most provably is that the coup will cause a civil war

My mother in law lives in an area near Bangkok which is totally red. I asked why she supported the reds and the answer was because everyone else here does and I get 500 baht from them. I asked why she did not take the 500 baht and just use her own mind to decide. The answer that would not be honest if I took the money and voted for someone else.

[animatic]

I am waiting for Chalerm Yoobumrung to join the gangsters party. Get Barnharn & Chavilit & it'll be old home week. Yes the old boars will be feeding at the trough.

The next military coup, if Mr Taksin is here; will mean a bullet in the head for him. Problem solved.

our totally wrong , i live in a place near to bangkok, in which the mayority of the people are PTP suporters, and i can forecast that if this time we have another military coup the most provably is that the coup will cause a civil war

My mother in law lives in an area near Bangkok which is totally red. I asked why she supported the reds and the answer was because everyone else here does and I get 500 baht from them. I asked why she did not take the 500 baht and just use her own mind to decide. The answer that would not be honest if I took the money and voted for someone else.

It is OK that the higher ups that bribe you have no honor,

as long as YOU have honor.

[dunkin2012]

Grandma Udom and the infamous refrigerator that saved her and her husband's life when a Drug War commando unit mistakenly attacked their house

The fridge reminds me of Yuth. ...................

good job !!!!!!!

[bulmercke]

Regarding John Lennon, I remember he wrote a song called ' Give Peace A Chance' and 'Imagine', I don't think he was on the side of violence at all.

As for the switch of Sanoh and his sons- this is a man who vehemently oposed the 1996 'green' constitution for imposing checks and balances on politicians- and Yoko Ono supports him!

Can you see John Lennon siding with the likes of Jutaporn, Arisman, Nuttawut, or - Thaksin.

Associating his legacy with the Thaksin's disciples is a complete insult to his legacy.

Two probably unpopular points but I think probably undeniable - with some reflection

1.John Lennon would have been a strong supporter of the redshirt movement, not of old fashioned feudal/military interests.

2.John Lennon was an airhead, hopeless overrated as a "thinker", self centred and intellectually incoherent - great rock and roll voice though.

You're right jayboy. John would have undoubtedly been a Red. And your No.2's spot-on.

Power To The Reds. Working Class Red. Give Reds A Chance. Free John Sinclair and Jatuporn. Baby's In Red. Reds Are Nigger Of The World. A Day In The Life (Of A Red) and Being For The Benefit of Mister T.

Edited May 15, 2011 by bulmercke

[jdinasia]

Regarding John Lennon, I remember he wrote a song called ' Give Peace A Chance' and 'Imagine', I don't think he was on the side of violence at all.

As for the switch of Sanoh and his sons- this is a man who vehemently oposed the 1996 'green' constitution for imposing checks and balances on politicians- and Yoko Ono supports him!

Can you see John Lennon siding with the likes of Jutaporn, Arisman, Nuttawut, or - Thaksin.

Associating his legacy with the Thaksin's disciples is a complete insult to his legacy.

Two probably unpopular points but I think probably undeniable - with some reflection

1.John Lennon would have been a strong supporter of the redshirt movement, not of old fashioned feudal/military interests.

2.John Lennon was an airhead, hopeless overrated as a "thinker", self centred and intellectually incoherent - great rock and roll voice though.

You're right jayboy. John would have undoubtedly been a Red. And your No.2's spot-on.

Power To The Reds. Working Class Red. Give Reds A Chance. Free John Sinclair and Jatuporn. Baby's In Red. Reds Are Nigger Of The World. A Day In The Life (Of A Red) and Being For The Benefit of Mister T.

HUH? I find it amazing that anyone (on either side) would think that John Lennon would support (either side) ... I don't think he would support the red leadership with their constant calls for violence ... or the PAD leadership .... (imho) but since I obviously am not psychic perhaps someone making the claim of knowing what he would support in absolutes should go claim the $1,000,000 prize for absolute proof of life after death

[Insight]

Regarding John Lennon, I remember he wrote a song called ' Give Peace A Chance' and 'Imagine', I don't think he was on the side of violence at all.

As for the switch of Sanoh and his sons- this is a man who vehemently oposed the 1996 'green' constitution for imposing checks and balances on politicians- and Yoko Ono supports him!

Can you see John Lennon siding with the likes of Jutaporn, Arisman, Nuttawut, or - Thaksin.

Associating his legacy with the Thaksin's disciples is a complete insult to his legacy.

You really think he'd overlook the person paying (the vast majority of) the red shirts and his agenda? I highly doubt it.

Two probably unpopular points but I think probably undeniable - with some reflection

1.John Lennon would have been a strong supporter of the redshirt movement, not of old fashioned feudal/military interests.

2.John Lennon was an airhead, hopeless overrated as a "thinker", self centred and intellectually incoherent - great rock and roll voice though.

You're right jayboy. John would have undoubtedly been a Red. And your No.2's spot-on.

Power To The Reds. Working Class Red. Give Reds A Chance. Free John Sinclair and Jatuporn. Baby's In Red. Reds Are Nigger Of The World. A Day In The Life (Of A Red) and Being For The Benefit of Mister T.

Personally doubt very much the person funding the overwhelming majority of red shirt activities would of escaped his attention, along with the agenda of that person.

Edited May 15, 2011 by Insight

[Siripon]

Regarding John Lennon, I remember he wrote a song called ' Give Peace A Chance' and 'Imagine', I don't think he was on the side of violence at all.

As for the switch of Sanoh and his sons- this is a man who vehemently oposed the 1996 'green' constitution for imposing checks and balances on politicians- and Yoko Ono supports him!

Can you see John Lennon siding with the likes of Jutaporn, Arisman, Nuttawut, or - Thaksin.

Associating his legacy with the Thaksin's disciples is a complete insult to his legacy.

Two probably unpopular points but I think probably undeniable - with some reflection

1.John Lennon would have been a strong supporter of the redshirt movement, not of old fashioned feudal/military interests.

2.John Lennon was an airhead, hopeless overrated as a "thinker", self centred and intellectually incoherent - great rock and roll voice though.

You're right jayboy. John would have undoubtedly been a Red. And your No.2's spot-on.

Power To The Reds. Working Class Red. Give Reds A Chance. Free John Sinclair and Jatuporn. Baby's In Red. Reds Are Nigger Of The World. A Day In The Life (Of A Red) and Being For The Benefit of Mister T.

He may have cheered on the reds, but I have it on good authority that 'Instant Karma' 'How Do You Sleep?' and 'Gimme Some Truth' were actually criticisms of Thaksin. John showed remarkable prescience for his time.

[jayboy]

He may have cheered on the reds, but I have it on good authority that 'Instant Karma' 'How Do You Sleep?' and 'Gimme Some Truth' were actually criticisms of Thaksin. John showed remarkable prescience for his time.

I think you may be on to something.Though it's hard to see how "Happiness is a warm gun" might fit in.

Seriously, it's amusing to see how some of the Gaysorn Plaza set think that someone like Lennon would have been on the wrong side of a working class movement.Look at the left wing and liberal press round the world.There is unanimous support for the Redshirt movement and contempt for the feudal/military/Sino-Thai business elite.Do they think Lennon would support their quasi fascist tripe? Muddled though Lennon may have been I suspect he knew a corrupt greedy privileged elite when he saw one.

[bulmercke]

Can you see John Lennon siding with the likes of Jutaporn, Arisman, Nuttawut, or - Thaksin.

Associating his legacy with the Thaksin's disciples is a complete insult to his legacy.

Two probably unpopular points but I think probably undeniable - with some reflection

1.John Lennon would have been a strong supporter of the redshirt movement, not of old fashioned feudal/military interests.

2.John Lennon was an airhead, hopeless overrated as a "thinker", self centred and intellectually incoherent - great rock and roll voice though.

You're right jayboy. John would have undoubtedly been a Red. And your No.2's spot-on.

Power To The Reds. Working Class Red. Give Reds A Chance. Free John Sinclair and Jatuporn. Baby's In Red. Reds Are Nigger Of The World. A Day In The Life (Of A Red) and Being For The Benefit of Mister T.

He may have cheered on the reds, but I have it on good authority that 'Instant Karma' 'How Do You Sleep?' and 'Gimme Some Truth' were actually criticisms of Thaksin. John showed remarkable prescience for his time.

Very good.

QUOTE(Insight):"Personally doubt very much the person funding the overwhelming majority of red shirt activities would of escaped his attention, along with the agenda of that person."

Lennon was an aggessive and violent individual. He would have had an affinity with The Red-Shirts and their cause. After all - in real life his friends included such violent extremists as David Peel - Jerry Rubin and Abbie Hoffman who made no secret of their support of violence to further their agenda.

And as for Thaksin - although Lennon sang:

"Imagine no possessions - I wonder if you can". He also lived a millionaire's lifestyle at the time so any contradictions Thaksin and his ethics may have posed for him would have been easily overcome and ignored.

[termad]

[agree and in fact, based on recent newspaper articles and comments, so does Khun Abhisit. He now apparently realises that this election is his last and only chance to legitimise his regime which was established in an army barracks after the Military and Amataya bought the leader of the Friends of Newin, Newin Chitbob (a banned politician described by the BBC as a Notorious Thai politician)and his forty followers in order to install Khun Abhisit as PM. Newin Chitbob's abandonment of the PPP voters who elected his forty Friends of Newin was as you say Thai politics at its worst and most corrupt - especially as the sole reason for doing so was a huge sum of Amataya and Military money.

I'm also sure that you must have split your sides laughing, as I did, when you read in the other newspaper that Tai Chitbob (the 84 year father of Newin Chitbob)who was installed as speaker of the lower house as part of the same Abhisit/Amataya/Military deal recently announced that Phue Thai should be disbanded because of its allegience to Thaksin Shinawatra who is a banned politician.

The one thing that I don't understand is your reference to Thaksin Shinawatra as an usurper as although he has the support of the majority of the Thai electorate (soon to be proven)he was overthrown by a military coup (supported by Abhisit a fact which when freedom of the press is again allowed after the next election will also be proven.

In the last election Pheua Thai attained 36.3% of the Constituency vote ( Democrats 30.30%), (Party List 39.60%, Democrats 39.63%). That is not an majority of the electorate.

Termad-Who bought NAP wholesale beacause Chavalit had run out of money to support his 80 MPs? Thaksin.

Who said,' Democracy is not my goal'. and is about to appoint his totally inexperienced sister to be leader of a party where no one else has a say in who runs it?!

Pheua Maeow a total joke.

Are you including the Friends of Newin in your figures?

As far as I'm aware there are many in Phue Thai who support her adoption as prospective PM and many who don't it's for the Phue Thai party to decide - whether because they think she could do a good job or simply because she's the sister of Thaksin Shinawatra if the electorate of Thailand don't approve she will (if adopted) lose the election. It's called democracy. As for being totally inexperienced I don't think that she is (she has been running the Phue Thai party and they aren't doing so badly are they?)

There are cases of inexperienced people being placed in jobs which they subsequently have shown they were totally unsuited for. Take for example Abhisit Jevajjiva he was born into an exceedingly rich family and given an exceedingly expensive education after which he did nothing until he arrived in Thailand, joined the Democrat Party and because of the class orientation of that party became a Democrat MP. Isn't that a story almost identical to that of the sons of the very rich in the not too distant past of British history. Look at the state of Thailand now and compare it to the pre Abhisit democratic Thailand and try to convince me or anybody else that the country is now a better place. You won't be able to and that is why Abhisit will lose the election and subsequently be asked to answer for many things that happened under his military backed rule.

The figures I mention above include Newin's group in PPP before its dissolution.

Apisit became an MP when he was 27 and has a record of Parliamentary attendance that puts most MPs to shame.

Let's see Yinglak debate with him on TV regarding policies and their implementation, the Thai people have the right to know their prospective leaders insights and poitical strategies.

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[agree and in fact, based on recent newspaper articles and comments, so does Khun Abhisit. He now apparently realises that this election is his last and only chance to legitimise his regime which was established in an army barracks after the Military and Amataya bought the leader of the Friends of Newin, Newin Chitbob (a banned politician described by the BBC as a Notorious Thai politician)and his forty followers in order to install Khun Abhisit as PM. Newin Chitbob's abandonment of the PPP voters who elected his forty Friends of Newin was as you say Thai politics at its worst and most corrupt - especially as the sole reason for doing so was a huge sum of Amataya and Military money.

I'm also sure that you must have split your sides laughing, as I did, when you read in the other newspaper that Tai Chitbob (the 84 year father of Newin Chitbob)who was installed as speaker of the lower house as part of the same Abhisit/Amataya/Military deal recently announced that Phue Thai should be disbanded because of its allegience to Thaksin Shinawatra who is a banned politician.

The one thing that I don't understand is your reference to Thaksin Shinawatra as an usurper as although he has the support of the majority of the Thai electorate (soon to be proven)he was overthrown by a military coup (supported by Abhisit a fact which when freedom of the press is again allowed after the next election will also be proven.

In the last election Pheua Thai attained 36.3% of the Constituency vote ( Democrats 30.30%), (Party List 39.60%, Democrats 39.63%). That is not an majority of the electorate.

Termad-Who bought NAP wholesale beacause Chavalit had run out of money to support his 80 MPs? Thaksin.

Who said,' Democracy is not my goal'. and is about to appoint his totally inexperienced sister to be leader of a party where no one else has a say in who runs it?!

Pheua Maeow a total joke.

Are you including the Friends of Newin in your figures?

As far as I'm aware there are many in Phue Thai who support her adoption as prospective PM and many who don't it's for the Phue Thai party to decide - whether because they think she could do a good job or simply because she's the sister of Thaksin Shinawatra if the electorate of Thailand don't approve she will (if adopted) lose the election. It's called democracy. As for being totally inexperienced I don't think that she is (she has been running the Phue Thai party and they aren't doing so badly are they?)

There are cases of inexperienced people being placed in jobs which they subsequently have shown they were totally unsuited for. Take for example Abhisit Jevajjiva he was born into an exceedingly rich family and given an exceedingly expensive education after which he did nothing until he arrived in Thailand, joined the Democrat Party and because of the class orientation of that party became a Democrat MP. Isn't that a story almost identical to that of the sons of the very rich in the not too distant past of British history. Look at the state of Thailand now and compare it to the pre Abhisit democratic Thailand and try to convince me or anybody else that the country is now a better place. You won't be able to and that is why Abhisit will lose the election and subsequently be asked to answer for many things that happened under his military backed rule.

The figures I mention above include Newin's group in PPP before its dissolution.

Apisit became an MP when he was 27 and has a record of Parliamentary attendance that puts most MPs to shame.

Let's see Yinglak debate with him on TV regarding policies and their implementation, the Thai people have the right to know their prospective leaders insights and poitical strategies.

Are you saying that the electors who voted for the PPP MPs who were part of Newin's Friends of Newin actually voted for the Democrats?

What did Abhisit do before he was 27?