webfact Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 POLL RELATED VIOLENCE 49 candidates seek police protection By The Nation General says officers given shoot to kill orders against 75 men on blacklist With pollrelated violence on the increase, some 49 candidates across the country have asked for police protection with five of these requests coming from three political parties in Bangkok. Police yesterday issued a shoottokill warning for the 75 men blacklisted as career killers if they resist arrest or fail to turn themselves in before the July 3 deadline. A task force of 300 police officers has been set up to track down these gunmen and members of their gangs. "These officers have the authority to use drastic measures if there are any violent encounters during the manhunt," said Pol General Pongsapat Pongcharoen, director of an adhoc centre in charge of maintaining safety during the election. "Surrender now to save yourselves while you still can. Police are authorised to push the limits to 'obtain you', and all officers will be wellarmed and in bulletproof vests when they approach you." He added that none of the 75 gunmen on the list were former military or police officers, and that the gunforhire industry should be cracked as soon as one of the gunmen is nabbed. He said the career killers who tried to assassinate Pheu Thai MP Pracha Prasobdee two weeks ago were possibly linked to these 75 men. Pongsapat added that 49 election candidates nationwide had filed requests for police protection, and that so far, 49 cops in uniform had been dispatched for the job. Five of the cops are from the Metropolitan Police Bureau; nine from Region 2; 11 from Region 3; 12 from Region 5; three from Region 6; eight from Region 7; and one from Region 8, he said. Pongsapat added that he was also thinking about sending a police bodyguard to a candidate in Narathiwat. Meanwhile, Metropolitan Police spokesman Pol MajGeneral Piya Uthayo refused to name the five candidates in Bangkok seeking police protection or where in the capital they were based. All he said was that three of the candidates hail from the Democrat Party, one from Pheu Thai and one from Bhum Jai Thai. Another 150 officers will be given further training on VIP protection and put on stand by, while senior commanders nationwide would attend an Election Commission seminar next Monday to learn about electoral fraud and its prevention. The officer also warned people against defacing election banners and hoardings, something that is being done extensively across the country. He said that violators will be subject to three years in prison and/or a Bt60,000 in fines. If executives of political parties are found to be masterminds behind the vandalism, their parties will face dissolution. Meanwhile, Bueng Kum police said the gunfire attack on the Bangkok home of a Democrat Party canvasser might have been motivated by his blackmagic practises rather than his longstanding support for the party. Police believe the attack was meant to threaten Jaroen Jehsaman rather than killing him. However, Jaroen said he had no conflicts with anybody and that the gunmen should have aimed at him while he was outside his home if they really wanted to kill him for his blackmagic spells. Pongsapat, meanwhile, said that Jaroen might have angered other men's wives because he was making a living by casting spells for women who want to steal their husbands. "The shooting probably stemmed from his personal conflicts, not his political links," he added. Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said he has told police to investigate the attacks on Jaroen and Pracha. -- The Nation 2011-05-28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeslice Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Be careful....it's a jungle out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaifkrlim Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 (edited) how to determine that they are career killers? similar strategy to Thaksin's war on drugs? Edited May 27, 2011 by thaifkrlim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JurgenG Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 It's going to be an interesting week end. I'd really like to se how our friends for the Thaksin basher brigade, who were so vocal to oppose Thaksin war on drug, are going to justify the "shoot to kill" order now that it comes from their friends. We already watched their debacle regarding subsidized healthcare. Lets hear how Manager is going to spin this subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWalkingMan Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 deja vu all over again... Welcome to the Jungle! TheWalkingMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteeleJoe Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 I'd really like to se how our friends for the Thaksin basher brigade, who were so vocal to oppose Thaksin war on drug, are going to justify the "shoot to kill" order now that it comes from their friends. I unconditionally oppose extra-judicial executions (not the use of necessary force against dangerous people who resist law enforcement with potentially lethal violence) and believe that the Rule of Law must be an inviolate and absolute ideal. That doesn't change regardless of who is in power. Now, let's see how many are killed. And how many are in fact not what they are accused of being. Because we know how Mr Thaksin did in those regards... There are degrees of wrongdoing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geovalin Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 It means that the 2003 War of drug was not a Thaksin thing but Siamese cultural. It's not a critic: the USA have death penalty, Thais have this squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angiud Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 One more time the Thai police acts like a separate and almost independent entity. More time I live in Thailand and more I understand how few are the real freedom in this country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philw Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 I'd really like to se how our friends for the Thaksin basher brigade, who were so vocal to oppose Thaksin war on drug, are going to justify the "shoot to kill" order now that it comes from their friends. I unconditionally oppose extra-judicial executions (not the use of necessary force against dangerous people who resist law enforcement with potentially lethal violence) and believe that the Rule of Law must be an inviolate and absolute ideal. That doesn't change regardless of who is in power. Now, let's see how many are killed. And how many are in fact not what they are accused of being. Because we know how Mr Thaksin did in those regards... There are degrees of wrongdoing. How can there be "degrees" of extra-judicial murder ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Wait for the shootouts in public spaces. There will be bystander carnage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZEMADE Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 It means that the 2003 War of drug was not a Thaksin thing but Siamese cultural. It's not a critic: the USA have death penalty, Thais have this squad. If you click onto the link below it will show you that thousands were killed on the war on drugs, they were involved in this before Thaksin came into power. But now it has gotten out of control in the Golden Triangle and Thailand once more. http://www.time.com/...2072544,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteeleJoe Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 I'd really like to se how our friends for the Thaksin basher brigade, who were so vocal to oppose Thaksin war on drug, are going to justify the "shoot to kill" order now that it comes from their friends. I unconditionally oppose extra-judicial executions (not the use of necessary force against dangerous people who resist law enforcement with potentially lethal violence) and believe that the Rule of Law must be an inviolate and absolute ideal. That doesn't change regardless of who is in power. Now, let's see how many are killed. And how many are in fact not what they are accused of being. Because we know how Mr Thaksin did in those regards... There are degrees of wrongdoing. How can there be "degrees" of extra-judicial murder ?? There can't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailand Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Ah, guilty until proven innocent or shot dead. TIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteeleJoe Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 It means that the 2003 War of drug was not a Thaksin thing but Siamese cultural. It's not a critic: the USA have death penalty, Thais have this squad. Absurd comparison. You've forgotten a minor thing called "due process"/\. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 It's going to be an interesting week end. I'd really like to se how our friends for the Thaksin basher brigade, who were so vocal to oppose Thaksin war on drug, are going to justify the "shoot to kill" order now that it comes from their friends. We already watched their debacle regarding subsidized healthcare. Lets hear how Manager is going to spin this subject. Did Thaksin publish a list of 2500 people that were the targets in the drug war? Do the Democrats have anything to do with this, or is it a police action? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOODLOVER Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Hope i'm sot sitting next to one of these "Guilty" parties when justice is served. By the way who made the list this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumpling Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 ye haaa boyz lets round up a posse and go get the vermets.......Thailand becomes more like the wild west ever day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swifty5x5 Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 How soon before it's 75 men on black list to anyone police do not like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagwan Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 So just who decided on this policy? Was it by Government decree or has some bumptious policeman whose other activities probably wouldn't pass close inspection decided what should be done? I am well aware that PC Plod's knowledge of Thai law is negligible and his view is that he can make it up on the spot, but surely senior cops should know better. Oh dear, I forgot that I live in Dodge City. A certain ex Police Lt.Col said he had been awarded a Ph.D in criminal law and he drove a horse and cart through the Thai codes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alantheembalmer Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 And they will....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRS1 Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Ah, guilty until proven innocent or shot dead. TIT Your guilty before proven innocent in any country...that's what prosecutors are for. Innocent before proven guilty is just an illusion and a facade to appear democratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmj Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 I wouldn't let the 2 on the right even hold a gun, at least the 2 on the left are trying to be serious about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominique355 Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Ah, guilty until proven innocent or shot dead. TIT Your guilty before proven innocent in any country...that's what prosecutors are for. Innocent before proven guilty is just an illusion and a facade to appear democratic. This is rather a case of applying the rule of law, something not very well know around here. The Police has never taken orders from the present government (Remember April/May 2010), so why would they now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayboy Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 So just who decided on this policy? Was it by Government decree or has some bumptious policeman whose other activities probably wouldn't pass close inspection decided what should be done? I am well aware that PC Plod's knowledge of Thai law is negligible and his view is that he can make it up on the spot, but surely senior cops should know better. Oh dear, I forgot that I live in Dodge City. A certain ex Police Lt.Col said he had been awarded a Ph.D in criminal law and he drove a horse and cart through the Thai codes. I was going to nominate you for the Sriracha John memorial prize for bringing Thaksin into a post where there is no possible relevance. But on reflection you do touch on an important point, namely the dangers of a shoot to kill policy where there is no proper judicial process. It will be interesting to see whether all those who condemned the Drugs war feel equally strongly about this murky exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pisico Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 It means that the 2003 War of drug was not a Thaksin thing but Siamese cultural. It's not a critic: the USA have death penalty, Thais have this squad. If you click onto the link below it will show you that thousands were killed on the war on drugs, they were involved in this before Thaksin came into power. But now it has gotten out of control in the Golden Triangle and Thailand once more. http://www.time.com/...2072544,00.html Indeed! Brutal or not, the war on drugs slowed down production and distribution in Thailand. Meth is the new Opium. Historical fact: China, back in 1861, was brought down to its knees when Opium was smuggled in large scale from India and cheaply distributed. The aim: to degrade the social fabric and disrupt inner trade and create unrest to "persuade" China to open its ports to Western traders. The birth of Hong Kong. Those who think that there is nothing wrong with the social fabric of this country better wake up. Still and mostly a lovely place to live, inhabited by good and gentle people but, the writing is on the wall. Of course, the usual suspects will parse and split hairs in these comments in order to say: that is not true! Alai goday! "Facts are stubborn things" RR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatfather Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Interesting that the police know these gunman. Why didn't they act earlier? Unbelievable that they know 75 killers and only go for them because of an election. Without the election the killers are free to do their job???? fatfather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchai Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 how to determine that they are career killers? similar strategy to Thaksin's war on drugs? Police yesterday issued a shoottokill warning for the 75 men blacklisted as career killers if they resist arrest or fail to turn themselves in before the July 3 deadline. I guess they must be in somebody's way. Time to buy a new ID now.......:jap: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchai Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Interesting that the police know these gunman. Why didn't they act earlier? Unbelievable that they know 75 killers and only go for them because of an election. Without the election the killers are free to do their job???? fatfather Yes and beside them all you can get rid off your other enemies as well. People suddenly holding firearms after they'd died are always on the front page. Oh Oh the damage's done..............:jap: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunta71 Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 How about the hitmen who also happen to be police?? More common here than most realize or want to believe. If someone hires a hitman, never seek help from the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanuman1 Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 (edited) I wouldn't let the 2 on the right even hold a gun, at least the 2 on the left are trying to be serious about it... I disagree. The two on the right will just be ineffective. Jokers. The one on the left looks like he's on a mission from God. He's the dangerous one. Bodies everywhere. Half-arsed investigation. Inactive post. Comfy retirement. Cheers! Edited May 28, 2011 by hanuman1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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