Does Cancelling Your Work Permit Automatically Cancel Non-B?

[alankk]

Hey guys, hope someone can help me as I'm in a bit of a fix.

I finished my old job earlier this month and was told today that my WP was cancelled on May 24th but they didn't cancel my non-B yet.

Also, I started a new job today (as a part timer until I get the new non-B and WP).

My new employers told me that I have to cancel my old WP and non-B and then do a border run (I think I'll go to Cambodia) to get a new non-B using their official letter with proof of employment.

Is any of this possible? Does a cancelled WP automatically cancel your Non-B, and if so how long do I have before I have to leave the country? Also, can I get a non-B at the border with an official letter proving employment?

Thanks

[Soutpeel]

Are you on an extension of stay on the basis of employment ?...if yes...and your WP has been cancelled you are on an overstay and have been since the 25th of May

In your previous job did you have to leave the country every 90 days and do a visa run ?...if yes should be ok until your permission to stay expires

[alankk]

I am on an extension of stay which is permitted up to Feb 24th 2012 (according to the page in my passport). My WP was for the exact same date but that was cancelled on the 24th.

I never did a border run before, just the 90 day check-ins at imm.

What does all this mean? Do I have to get my old employer to go with me to immigration to cancel the old non-B?

And what are the chances of getting a non-B at the Cambodian border?

All I need to do is to get a non-b for my new employers.

What steps do I need to make?

Thanks

[aidenai]

If your work permit was cancelled on the 24th May, you should have cancelled your permission for temporary stay at the Immigration Office designated to your area too. You're currently on overstay for 8 days.

You can only apply for a non-immigrant B visa at a Thai Embassy or Consulate. The closest to Thailand are Laos, Malaysia and Cambodia.

Good luck.

[Soutpeel]

I am on an extension of stay which is permitted up to Feb 24th 2012 (according to the page in my passport). My WP was for the exact same date but that was cancelled on the 24th.

I never did a border run before, just the 90 day check-ins at imm.

What does all this mean? Do I have to get my old employer to go with me to immigration to cancel the old non-B?

And what are the chances of getting a non-B at the Cambodian border?

All I need to do is to get a non-b for my new employers.

What steps do I need to make?

Thanks

It appears you are on an extension of stay....and if your WP was cancelled on the 24th May, you had 24 hours to get out of dodge, so pretty certain you are on an overstay....the 24th Feb 2012 is irrelavant in the case of extension of stay..Your "Non-imm B" disappeared on the 24th of May

So working on the assumption you are on an over stay.....need to get that cleared first..leave the country and get a new Non-imm B at a local consulate with the documentation your new employer will provide...

[lopburi3]

When did your employment end? On that date you are required to visit Immigration with a letter from employer to cancel your extension of stay. If not done you have been on overstay since then at 500 baht per day fine and building. You can not obtain a non immigrant visa at a border crossing - you will have to visit a Consulate (or have service do) and likely stay one or two nights outside Thailand.

[alankk]

Oh Wow!

I'm in more trouble than I previously thought. My old employers told me that they would only cancel the WP when I had dates arranged with the new employers. Looks like they forgot that and I only found out today that they cancelled it a week ago!

So do you think an official letter (from a top uni here) would be enough to get a non-b from the embassy or consulate?

[lopburi3]

Suspect more than a letter will be required (you said you had proof of employment?) but believe many Consulates will provide for teachers without the need for a work permit application receipt. School should know what is required and provide that paperwork.

[alankk]

Yes, I hope that is the case.

I signed the employment contract today but that has to be approved by higher powers. In the meantime they have given me a letter. Lets hope that's enough!

So what should be my next step after paying the overstay fine? Go to the embassy/ consulate and get the non-B?

Where you recommend paying the fine? Jaeng Wattana or on leaving Thailand.

Sorry about all the questions. Just not sure how to get out of this mess.

[10years]

Your old employer can cancel your WP but your non-B is not automatically cancelled. Only you can get it cancelled (with a letter from your old employer).

It is true that you are on overstay but it is not true that "....the 24th Feb 2012 is irrelavant in the case of extension of stay..Your "Non-imm B" disappeared on the 24th of May". Your non-B is still valid and in force until 2/24/12 unless you cancel it or leave the country without a REP. You wil have to pay an overstay fine only if you try to cancel the old non-B or otherwise report yourself.

Leave the country on your still good non-B and get a new one in another country.

[Soutpeel]

Your old employer can cancel your WP but your non-B is not automatically cancelled. Only you can get it cancelled (with a letter from your old employer).

It is true that you are on overstay but it is not true that "....the 24th Feb 2012 is irrelavant in the case of extension of stay..Your "Non-imm B" disappeared on the 24th of May". Your non-B is still valid and in force until 2/24/12 unless you cancel it or leave the country without a REP. You wil have to pay an overstay fine only if you try to cancel the old non-B or otherwise report yourself.

Leave the country on your still good non-B and get a new one in another country.

Think you are contradicting yourself....you state he is on an overstay, then say the "Non-imm B" is still in force...if this was the case, then the OP wouldnt be on an over stay then would he ?...on extension of the stay based on employment, the minute the previous employer tells the labour department the OP is no longer working there, all your documentation is invalidated....ie the "Non-imm B" is gone....you have 24 hours to get out the country unless you pay for a 7 day extension, which appears not to be an option in the OP case.

[alankk]

Thanks for the help guys. The thing is, my old employers cancelled the WP but told me that they forgot to give the letter to immigration in Bkk. It is an extension non-B so does that mean that they didn't have to notify/ give the letter to imm?

[mrjohnno]

Your old employer can cancel your WP but your non-B is not automatically cancelled. Only you can get it cancelled (with a letter from your old employer).

It is true that you are on overstay but it is not true that "....the 24th Feb 2012 is irrelavant in the case of extension of stay..Your "Non-imm B" disappeared on the 24th of May". Your non-B is still valid and in force until 2/24/12 unless you cancel it or leave the country without a REP. You wil have to pay an overstay fine only if you try to cancel the old non-B or otherwise report yourself.

Leave the country on your still good non-B and get a new one in another country.

Think you are contradicting yourself....you state he is on an overstay, then say the "Non-imm B" is still in force...if this was the case, then the OP wouldnt be on an over stay then would he ?...on extension of the stay based on employment, the minute the previous employer tells the labour department the OP is no longer working there, all your documentation is invalidated....ie the "Non-imm B" is gone....you have 24 hours to get out the country unless you pay for a 7 day extension, which appears not to be an option in the OP case.

I think you are wrong. The 'B' is still valid 'til you leave the Kingdom. You can obntain a 'B' visa on a job offer and not take the job thus no need for a WP. I know a dozen, well certaily ten people who have been doing this for years. The OP's situation is not the same but I'm dam_n sure the 'B' visa he or she is on will be valid until they leave the country.

[lopburi3]

You are the person who must provide the letter to immigration and have the extension of stay canceled. They are required to provide you that letter.

If you were not returning to work many people have just departed and it was not found. But as you have to apply for a new visa which requires you not have a valid visa in passport (your extension is valid until canceled as far as they know) and you will be visiting Immigration again for a new extension of stay (they will see last one not canceled) the overstay is going to have to be paid. You need that letter of last day of work and then visit immigration to have extension canceled and then immediately leave to obtain new visa. But I seriously doubt a letter is going to get a visa.

[Soutpeel]

I think you are wrong. The 'B' is still valid 'til you leave the Kingdom. You can obntain a 'B' visa on a job offer and not take the job thus no need for a WP. I know a dozen, well certaily ten people who have been doing this for years. The OP's situation is not the same but I'm dam_n sure the 'B' visa he or she is on will be valid until they leave the country.

And are the 10 people you talk of doing visa runs every 90 days ie leaving the country and coming back ?....if they are thay are not on extension of stay and the OP questions relates to extension of stay based on employment, not the same thing. I

if on extension of stay the person permission to stay is "revoked" when the company notifies immigration the person no longer works there and in effect your "Non-imm B" is revoked.

Everyone keeps talking about Non-imm B visa's....in most cases a person on an entension of stay based on employment doesnt even have a Non-imm B visa per se.

Eg I am here on enxtension of stay and the last time I had a Non-imm B visa was about 7 years go when I changed jobs, that was a single entry from Singapore and once back in Thailand all changed over to the extension of stay and never had a visa since.

[mrjohnno]

I think you are wrong. The 'B' is still valid 'til you leave the Kingdom. You can obntain a 'B' visa on a job offer and not take the job thus no need for a WP. I know a dozen, well certaily ten people who have been doing this for years. The OP's situation is not the same but I'm dam_n sure the 'B' visa he or she is on will be valid until they leave the country.

And are the 10 people you talk of doing visa runs every 90 days ie leaving the country and coming back ?....if they are thay are not on extension of stay and the OP questions relates to extension of stay based on employment, not the same thing. I

if on extension of stay the person permission to stay is "revoked" when the company notifies immigration the person no longer works there and in effect your "Non-imm B" is revoked.

Everyone keeps talking about Non-imm B visa's....in most cases a person on an entension of stay based on employment doesnt even have a Non-imm B visa per se.

Eg I am here on enxtension of stay and the last time I had a Non-imm B visa was about 7 years go when I changed jobs, that was a single entry from Singapore and once back in Thailand all changed over to the extension of stay and never had a visa since.

Nice try. I run a forum with 3000 active members so this troll like post is easy pickings.... ie it's 90 day report rather than visa run.

[beano2274]

An Extension is given with a valid job, the OP has given up his job and therefore he is on overstay, the Extension is tied to the job. A Visa would not have been cancelled.

Since the OP is going to leave Thailand, I suggest leave, have some money in your pocket, since the last employer has not done the letter no-one knows you are on overstay, so just go out at the Airport and come back with a new Visa from the Consulate where you are going.

[beano2274]

I think you are wrong. The 'B' is still valid 'til you leave the Kingdom. You can obntain a 'B' visa on a job offer and not take the job thus no need for a WP. I know a dozen, well certaily ten people who have been doing this for years. The OP's situation is not the same but I'm dam_n sure the 'B' visa he or she is on will be valid until they leave the country.

And are the 10 people you talk of doing visa runs every 90 days ie leaving the country and coming back ?....if they are thay are not on extension of stay and the OP questions relates to extension of stay based on employment, not the same thing. I

if on extension of stay the person permission to stay is "revoked" when the company notifies immigration the person no longer works there and in effect your "Non-imm B" is revoked.

Everyone keeps talking about Non-imm B visa's....in most cases a person on an entension of stay based on employment doesnt even have a Non-imm B visa per se.

Eg I am here on enxtension of stay and the last time I had a Non-imm B visa was about 7 years go when I changed jobs, that was a single entry from Singapore and once back in Thailand all changed over to the extension of stay and never had a visa since.

Nice try. I run a forum with 3000 active members so this troll like post is easy pickings.... ie it's 90 day report rather than visa run.

Then you would know that a Visa will not be cancelled but an Extension would.

And the OP clearly states he is on an Extension, you refer in your post about a visa, different situation!!

[lopburi3]

1. The exit point may see him leaving with an extension of stay without a re-entry permit and question him - they could return him to his immigration office to cancel extension of stay before allowing exit (yes it has happened and been reported here).

2. The Consulate may see and refuse to stamp a visa in passport on basis he already has a stay (which they believe is valid from dates).

3. The OP is going to require a new extension of stay - immigration will likely notice that he has a valid extension on there books and investigate.

[Soutpeel]

Nice try. I run a forum with 3000 active members so this troll like post is easy pickings.... ie it's 90 day report rather than visa run.

Will if you knew what you were talking about, you would know a 90 day report at immigration is reporting your address as you will staying in Thailand more than 90 days.....its not a replacment for a "visa run" its nothing to do with a "visa"....in the case of a 90 day report... immigration do not stamp anything in your PP and mearly put a piece of paper in your PP telling you the next time you have to report your address, this process is applicable to persons on an extension of stay..

[allane]

To Alankk:

I have sent you a Private Mail which you may find helpful.

[alankk]

Thanks for all the advice guys.

Just an update on today's proceedings.

I went to the old employers and asked them for the visa cancellation letter which they gave me.

HOWEVER... instead of stating that my last day of employment was on May 24th, I convinced them to change the letter to state that my last day of work was in fact today (June 2nd).

Armed with this new letter I went to Chaeng Wattana to cancel the visa which went down a treat... no questions asked about WPs and most importantly NO OVERSTAY FINE.

My passport is now fully validated stating that I must leave the country within 24 hours to ovoid the overstay fine.

Have I just stumbled upon a loophole?

What I have learned from this is as follows...

1. Cancelling the WP alone does not cancel the non-B

2. Immigration only consider the employer's cancellation letter and nothing else.

So in theory (or at least in my experience) a person who ONLY gets the WP cancelled can still stay here within the limits of the visa's validity until such a point when you require a letter from the old employer to state your desired leaving date.

Luckily for me, I am on very good terms with the old employer and it didn't take much convincing to play with the "contract finish" dates.

I'm off to Laos tonight for phase 2. I really can't foresee any issues with overstay fines at this stage.

Thanks for all the help and advise guys. It was invaluable and I learned a bucket load!!!

[alankk]

Sorry, just to clarify... It was my extension that was cancelled, not the non-B as I referred to..... but given the end result today it matters not.

I really hope I haven't overlooked anything.

My passport looks rosy right now... had no trouble at Immigration (Chaeng Wattana) and have a nice stamp telling me to get out of here today or else face 500 B per day.

[aidenai]

Congratulations. Best of luck in getting a new non-immigrant.

[Soutpeel]

Thanks for all the advice guys.

Just an update on today's proceedings.

I went to the old employers and asked them for the visa cancellation letter which they gave me.

HOWEVER... instead of stating that my last day of employment was on May 24th, I convinced them to change the letter to state that my last day of work was in fact today (June 2nd).

Armed with this new letter I went to Chaeng Wattana to cancel the visa which went down a treat... no questions asked about WPs and most importantly NO OVERSTAY FINE.

My passport is now fully validated stating that I must leave the country within 24 hours to ovoid the overstay fine.

Have I just stumbled upon a loophole?

What I have learned from this is as follows...

1. Cancelling the WP alone does not cancel the non-B

2. Immigration only consider the employer's cancellation letter and nothing else.

So in theory (or at least in my experience) a person who ONLY gets the WP cancelled can still stay here within the limits of the visa's validity until such a point when you require a letter from the old employer to state your desired leaving date.

Luckily for me, I am on very good terms with the old employer and it didn't take much convincing to play with the "contract finish" dates.

I'm off to Laos tonight for phase 2. I really can't foresee any issues with overstay fines at this stage.

Thanks for all the help and advise guys. It was invaluable and I learned a bucket load!!!

There we go..a good result...but at the same time consider yourself lucky that your previous employer had forgotten to submitted the letter....so another lesson in this....dont always be so critical of the " Thai incompentance" everyone talks about.....there are benefits on occassion......

[alankk]

Yes, Indeed! Lets hope I get the non-B with just a letter. I've been assured by the staff that a letter will suffice and I hope that the prestige of the Uni will carry extra weight!

Fingers crossed!

Have to pack now.

Adios!!!!

[GetLost]

I learned a lot, too. Good luck at the border tonight!

[alankk]

Hey Everyone,

Just a final check in to say that I managed to get the Non- Immigrant B using just a letter. However, I wouldn't recommend it as the decision could have gone either way it seems.

Things turned out pretty well for me in the end but will NEVER cheap it out on the bus ride again.

[Mario2008]

Your employer being an university probably made all the difference.