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Israeli military’s own data indicates civilian death rate of 83%

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Figures from classified IDF database listed 8,900 named fighters as dead or probably dead in May, as overall death toll reached 53,000. That apparent ratio of civilians to combatants among the dead is extremely high for modern warfare, even compared with conflicts notorious for indiscriminate killing, including the Syrian and Sudanese civil wars.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/aug/21/revealed-israeli-militarys-own-data-indicates-civilian-death-rate-of-83-in-gaza-war?utm_term=68a7eec751dbeb134aad07936cb8466e&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTUK_email

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  • That's utterly shocking.   A death rate of 83% for civilians is clear evidence of genocide.   Netanyahu should be arrested and brought to the Netherlands as the criminal he is.

  • Yawn, not one named source reveals this data base, not that it does probably exist but to think only named terrorists have been killed and not 1000s of others is more than simple mind could even belie

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    This is a false claim by the Guardian . The IDF can name 8900 dead Hamas members . Some of the otter dead may also be Hamas , just IDF cannot name them . Then you are also relying on th

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That's utterly shocking.

 

A death rate of 83% for civilians is clear evidence of genocide.

 

Netanyahu should be arrested and brought to the Netherlands as the criminal he is.

Yawn, not one named source reveals this data base, not that it does probably exist but to think only named terrorists have been killed and not 1000s of others is more than simple mind could even believe.

 

Response from IDF,

 

“The figures presented in the article are incorrect and do not reflect the data available in the IDF’s systems. Throughout the war, continuous intelligence assessments are conducted regarding the number of terrorists eliminated in the Gaza Strip, based on BDA [bomb damage assessment] methodologies and cross-checking efforts from various sources … [including] documents originating from terrorist organizations in the Strip.”

This is a false claim by the Guardian .

The IDF can name 8900 dead Hamas members .

Some of the otter dead may also be Hamas , just IDF cannot name them .

Then you are also relying on the Hamas figures of deaths to be true and correct .  

   Another false story from the once reliable Guardian 

Israel knows the names of 8900 enemy combatants it's killed. In a war, you don't know the name of most enemy combatants you killed, so the actual number of enemy combatants killed is much higher. Also, the article is using Hamas-provided numbers for total fatalities, which of course are hardly reliable

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4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

This is a false claim by the Guardian .

 

<snipped for brevity>. The article is not a "claim"  by the Guardian, but reporting on data received  and then analysed by them and two Israeli organisations. IDF were asked to clarify their concerns regards the article by the Guardian, but failed to do so. One has only to see videos of the enormous level of destruction in Gaza for the report to make common sense.

 

Figures from a classified Israeli military intelligence database indicate five out of six Palestinians killed by Israeli forces in Gaza have been civilians, an extreme rate of slaughter rarely matched in recent decades of warfare.

As of May, 19 months into the war, Israeli intelligence officials listed 8,900 named fighters from Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad as dead or “probably dead”, a joint investigation by the Guardian, the Israeli-Palestinian publication +972 Magazine and the Hebrew-language outlet Local Call has found.

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

<snipped for brevity>. The article is not a "claim"  by the Guardian, but reporting on data received  and then analysed by them and two Israeli organisations.

 

   The headline by the Guardian was false .

Civilian death rate isn't 83 % .

17 % were known the be Hamas members by name , the other 83 % couldn't be named . 

   The 83 % were either Hams or civilians . 

The 83 % were NOT civilians as claimed by the Guardian , they were unknowns 

Breaking news 

 

4h ago (13:02 GMT)

Houthi

Gaza death toll rises

At least 71 Palestinians, including 24 aid seekers, have been killed and 251 injured in Israeli attacks across Gaza in the latest 24-hour reporting period, according to the enclave’s Health Ministry.

 

In the same period, at least two people have starved to death in the territory, bringing the total count of hunger-related deaths to 273, including 112 children, the ministry said.

 

Israel’s war on Gaza has killed 62,263 Palestinians and injured 157,365 since October 7, 2023, the ministry added.

 

The total number of aid seekers killed since May 27, when Israel introduced a new aid distribution mechanism operated by the US-based GHF, has reached 2,060 with more than 15,197 injured, the statement said

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2025/8/22/deadly-strikes-continue-as-netanyahu-finalises-plan-to-seize-gaza-city?fbclid=IwY2xjawMVjo5leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHm6-klYMgEI_IkKaf0-8z3hF7zHT8eBtKKL0uCCCfWMRjVYvb1V_I0iA8GIN_aem_GxhoopBt5lRSU9h0P2KpYw&update=3902503

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

Breaking news 

 

4h ago (13:02 GMT)

Houthi

Gaza death toll rises

At least 71 Palestinians, including 24 aid seekers, have been killed and 251 injured in Israeli attacks across Gaza in the latest 24-hour reporting period, according to the enclave’s Health Ministry.

 

In the same period, at least two people have starved to death in the territory, bringing the total count of hunger-related deaths to 273, including 112 children, the ministry said.

 

Israel’s war on Gaza has killed 62,263 Palestinians and injured 157,365 since October 7, 2023, the ministry added.

 

The total number of aid seekers killed since May 27, when Israel introduced a new aid distribution mechanism operated by the US-based GHF, has reached 2,060 with more than 15,197 injured, the statement said

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2025/8/22/deadly-strikes-continue-as-netanyahu-finalises-plan-to-seize-gaza-city?fbclid=IwY2xjawMVjo5leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHm6-klYMgEI_IkKaf0-8z3hF7zHT8eBtKKL0uCCCfWMRjVYvb1V_I0iA8GIN_aem_GxhoopBt5lRSU9h0P2KpYw&update=3902503

The idiots in Palestine should stop starting wars with Israel.    They always get their asses kicked. 

14 minutes ago, TedG said:

The idiots in Palestine should stop starting wars with Israel.    They always get their asses kicked. 

You have little knowledge of suppression, and how they never surrender no matter what

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

You have little knowledge of suppression, and how they never surrender no matter what

 

Someday, the Palestinians will grow up and act like adults. 

1 minute ago, TedG said:

 

Someday, the Palestinians will grow up and act like adults. 

Like the native Americans? Sent around to circus and kept in restricted areas ?

 

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Like the native Americans? Sent around to circus and kept in restricted areas ?

 

That's how the people of Palestine should be treated. 

10 minutes ago, TedG said:

That's how the people of Palestine should be treated. 

Well a minority of 15 000 Jews have grown to 7,5 or 7,9 millions in 110 years in Palestine, you go figure.

9 minutes ago, TedG said:

That's how the people of Palestine should be treated. 

What a racist remark 

2 minutes ago, still kicking said:

What a racist remark 

Racist how? 

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Well a minority of 15 000 Jews have grown to 7,5 or 7,9 millions in 110 years in Palestine, you go figure.

Good, the Jews are bringing smart people to the Middle East. 

1 minute ago, TedG said:

Good, the Jews are bringing smart people to the Middle East. 

You are to stupid to understand Palestinians and Jewish is same people just different family names

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

You are to stupid to understand Palestinians and Jewish is same people just different family names

You're too stupid to use "to" in a sentence correctly. 

2 minutes ago, TedG said:

You're too stupid to use "to" in a sentence correctly. 

And another MAGA deflection.

3 minutes ago, TedG said:

You're too stupid to use "to" in a sentence correctly. 

Hm, says the one who gets his facts deleted faster than he posts

Just now, still kicking said:

And another MAGA deflection.

It seems like someone has kicked you in the head a few too many times.

Just now, Hummin said:

Hm, says the one who gets his facts deleted faster than he posts

Which facts have been deleted? 

1 minute ago, TedG said:

Which facts have been deleted? 

You stated you post facts yesterday, but nobody did see any facts at all you posted 

Just now, Hummin said:

You stated you post facts yesterday, but nobody did see any facts at all you posted 

The fact is, Palestinians are dumb people.

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289614001093

 

We believe that no studies have been published of intelligence in Palestine. There are, however, two studies that may give a reasonable approximate estimate of the Palestine IQ. The first is a study of the intelligence of Arab school children in Israel, who could be expected to have approximately the same IQ as Arab children in Palestine, carried out by Lieblich and Kugelmas (1981). This reported the IQ of a sample of 639 6–16 year olds tested with the Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children-Revised for whom an IQ of 86 (in relation to a British IQ of 100) was calculated by Lynn and Vanhanen (2012). The second is the PISA (Program for International Student Assessment) study of 15 year olds tested in a number of countries in 2009 in mathematics, science and reading. The results are highly correlated with IQs and have therefore been adopted as a proxy for IQs by Meisenberg and Lynn (2011), who estimate an IQ of 83.3 for Palestine from the data. In this paper we present the first data for intelligence in Palestine measured with an intelligence test. 

4 minutes ago, TedG said:

The fact is, Palestinians are dumb people.

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289614001093

 

We believe that no studies have been published of intelligence in Palestine. There are, however, two studies that may give a reasonable approximate estimate of the Palestine IQ. The first is a study of the intelligence of Arab school children in Israel, who could be expected to have approximately the same IQ as Arab children in Palestine, carried out by Lieblich and Kugelmas (1981). This reported the IQ of a sample of 639 6–16 year olds tested with the Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children-Revised for whom an IQ of 86 (in relation to a British IQ of 100) was calculated by Lynn and Vanhanen (2012). The second is the PISA (Program for International Student Assessment) study of 15 year olds tested in a number of countries in 2009 in mathematics, science and reading. The results are highly correlated with IQs and have therefore been adopted as a proxy for IQs by Meisenberg and Lynn (2011), who estimate an IQ of 83.3 for Palestine from the data. In this paper we present the first data for intelligence in Palestine measured with an intelligence test. 

Lieblich and Kugelmas sound like reliable names for an investigation

 

 

Just now, Hummin said:

Lieblich and Kugelmas sound like reliable names for an investigation

 

 

If you read their study, you could critique the methods. I'm sure you don't fully understand the theory of sampling.

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Lieblich and Kugelmas sound like reliable names for an investigation

 

 

Look at this one.

 

The Standard Progressive Matrices (SPM) was standardized in the Gaza Strip in 2012-13 on a sample of 1678 boys and 1817 girls aged 8 to 18 years. The sample obtained a British IQ of 67.9.

 

Farah, Salaheldin & Bakhiet, Salaheldin & Lynn, Richard. (2015). Norms for the Standard Progressive Matrices in the Gaza Strip. Mankind Quarterly. 56. 87-95. 10.46469/mq.2015.56.1.7. 

13 hours ago, simple1 said:

Figures from classified IDF database listed 8,900 named fighters as dead or probably dead in May

If you're a postman, you're Hamas.  If you're a school teacher, you're Hamas.  Hamas was the government.  Those who were actual Hamas "Fighters" probably are half that number, or 4450 with the rest civilians with government jobs in the Hamas government - like Hamas doctors, nurses, and aid workers.  Then according to numerous MSN outlets, Aharon Haliva, former head of Israeli military intelligence, said in leaked audio recordings that for every Israeli killed on October 7, 2023, 50 Palestinians must die, regardless of age, calling the resulting 50,000 Gaza deaths "necessary" for future generations. 

Nazis doing this 80 years ago ended up taking a 6 foot vertical drop with extreme deceleration at the end of a rope.

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12 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The headline by the Guardian was false .

Civilian death rate isn't 83 % .

17 % were known the be Hamas members by name , the other 83 % couldn't be named . 

   The 83 % were either Hams or civilians . 

The 83 % were NOT civilians as claimed by the Guardian , they were unknowns 

 

The artile used worrds such as "perhaps", indicated and so on. It did not state without question the 83% were civilian deaths. You're spitting hairs...

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6 hours ago, connda said:

If you're a postman, you're Hamas.  If you're a school teacher, you're Hamas.  Hamas was the government.  Those who were actual Hamas "Fighters" probably are half that number, or 4450 with the rest civilians with government jobs in the Hamas government - like Hamas doctors, nurses, and aid workers.  Then according to numerous MSN outlets, Aharon Haliva, former head of Israeli military intelligence, said in leaked audio recordings that for every Israeli killed on October 7, 2023, 50 Palestinians must die, regardless of age, calling the resulting 50,000 Gaza deaths "necessary" for future generations. 

Nazis doing this 80 years ago ended up taking a 6 foot vertical drop with extreme deceleration at the end of a rope.

 

Not many executed and the vast majority released after a relatively short jail time. Same with Japanese war criminals.

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