Post Election Outlook Worries PM Abhisit

[samurai]

All his recent comments seem to smack of defeatism.The ignominy of it all if he is unseated by no more than a politically inexperienced young woman.

Obviously a concern as the job market here is not very good, even for ex pm's.

Whichever side wins hopefully it will be an outright victory as anything less will not be good for Thailand and that's what really counts.

He is unseated by the will of the people.

He is unseated by the will of the people. That Thaksin bought.

What a nonsense.

[Who, me ?]

Naturally the post election outlook worries Abhisit.

Not only will his political career be in tatters, he will be facing a number of court cases and most probably be Thailands next fugitive.

second to....your hero then... provided that actually there is any ground for court cases. Future will tell, and if there are actually any ground for that, then let the justice to do its job. One thing is sure, is that your hero has already been convicted, and is now trying to stir the pot in order to get an amnesty. This you can not deny....

[timekeeper]

If the electorate vote for PT is it a sign that the people think otherwise and have their reason not to vote for the Democrats.

Time for Abhisit to realise and to accept that.

an Abhisit government representative declared on live TV that the Dems would accept the decision of the electorate

the interviewer asked the red mouthpiece if he would declare the same thing

he said ''it depends''...........

"depends" on what?

well what do you think?

its very clear to me and to other Thai observers as reported in the other paper

he was intimating that they would accept the result only as long as they won

if they didn't there would be trouble

Natthawut answered that it depended on the situation.

Natthawut said he had learned there was an attempt, with military support, to prevent Pheu Thai from forming the next government.

http://www.thaivisa....ated-tv-debate/

yes and............?

[timekeeper]

All his recent comments seem to smack of defeatism.The ignominy of it all if he is unseated by no more than a politically inexperienced young woman.

Obviously a concern as the job market here is not very good, even for ex pm's.

Whichever side wins hopefully it will be an outright victory as anything less will not be good for Thailand and that's what really counts.

He is unseated by the will of the people.

He is unseated by the will of the people. That Thaksin bought.

What a nonsense.

really? Thaksin never bought a single vote then?

[samurai]

Natthawut answered that it depended on the situation.

Natthawut said he had learned there was an attempt, with military support, to prevent Pheu Thai from forming the next government.

http://www.thaivisa....ated-tv-debate/

yes and............?

They would not accept meddling and intimating by the military.

[timekeeper]

All his recent comments seem to smack of defeatism.The ignominy of it all if he is unseated by no more than a politically inexperienced young woman.

Obviously a concern as the job market here is not very good, even for ex pm's.

Whichever side wins hopefully it will be an outright victory as anything less will not be good for Thailand and that's what really counts.

He is unseated by the will of the people.

He is unseated by the will of the people. That Thaksin bought.

What a nonsense.

2001 Thaksin Shinawatra won the elections. Allegations of vote-buying forced partial re-run of poll. Thaksin formed a coalition government.

2008 8 July - Former parliamentary speaker and deputy leader, Yongyut Tiyapairat was stripped of his seat by Thai election officials for vote buying in northern Thailand during last December elections.

December 2 - A Constitutional Court ruled that the People Power Party (PPP) be disbanded because one of their party executives was convicted of vote buying during the December 2007 elections.

Edited June 15, 2011 by timekeeper

[timekeeper]

Natthawut answered that it depended on the situation.

Natthawut said he had learned there was an attempt, with military support, to prevent Pheu Thai from forming the next government.

http://www.thaivisa....ated-tv-debate/

yes and............?

They would not accept meddling and intimating by the military.

you really need very red tinted glasses to read it like that

in fact you are the only person that has ever expressed that view as far as i know

the other papers readers knew exactly what it meant, as do i........

[metisdead]

A post leaving Thai Visa and the poster at risk of prosecution under Thailand's harsh defamation laws has been removed. Replies have been removed as well.

[ginjag]

Unless they changed their stance, I think the Amnesty didn't include those responsible for the deaths of 90+ protesters.

Guess it must be covering the deaths of over 2000 though if Thaksin gets amnesty.

What 2000 death you are talking about? Was Thaksin declared guilty of it?

No but he was only P.M. at the time and ordered the crackdown on druggies-THATS all, If you acknowledged what wrong he did, and still favoured him you would get more respect.

[samurai]

He is unseated by the will of the people. That Thaksin bought.

What a nonsense.

2001 Thaksin Shinawatra won the elections. Allegations of vote-buying forced partial re-run of poll. Thaksin formed a coalition government.

2008 8 July - Former parliamentary speaker and deputy leader, Yongyut Tiyapairat was stripped of his seat by Thai election officials for vote buying in northern Thailand during last December elections.

December 2 - A Constitutional Court ruled that the People Power Party (PPP) be disbanded because one of their party executives was convicted of vote buying during the December 2007 elections.

Answer this question here:

And how many people exactly sold their vote?

[ginjag]

Naturally the post election outlook worries Abhisit.

Not only will his political career be in tatters, he will be facing a number of court cases and most probably be Thailands next fugitive.

second to....your hero then... provided that actually there is any ground for court cases. Future will tell, and if there are actually any ground for that, then let the justice to do its job. One thing is sure, is that your hero has already been convicted, and is now trying to stir the pot in order to get an amnesty. This you can not deny....

I agree with you, but he will deny, for sure.

some people do not know what is right and wrong, either that or they are posting to wind others up with their remarks, good to have discussions but denying the wrongs here is obvious, but we are entitled to our opinions.

The P.M. cares about the out come as he is more dedicated to his country than most. Others it's their ego-or money.

[jonclark]

Naturally the post election outlook worries Abhisit.

Not only will his political career be in tatters, he will be facing a number of court cases and most probably be Thailands next fugitive.

He won't be facing court cases - He' will be an MP = Immunity - Just ask Jatuporn he'll fill you in!!

[samurai]

Unless they changed their stance, I think the Amnesty didn't include those responsible for the deaths of 90+ protesters.

Guess it must be covering the deaths of over 2000 though if Thaksin gets amnesty.

What 2000 death you are talking about? Was Thaksin declared guilty of it?

No but he was only P.M. at the time and ordered the crackdown on druggies-THATS all, If you acknowledged what wrong he did, and still favoured him you would get more respect.

If no court found him ever guilty for whatever 2000 deaths - then there is no need for an amnesty.

[animatic]

Unless they changed their stance, I think the Amnesty didn't include those responsible for the deaths of 90+ protesters.

OK, then that should lift the PTP MP status for Jaturporn, Nattawut and the Red Leaders

who are responsible for way over 50% of those 90 deaths.

Without THEIR personal and group actions, and we've seen the videos, there would have been NO DEATHS.

You throw out that 90 deaths as if all were caused by the army

which is hardly by ANY measure truth today. Or any day.

Edited June 15, 2011 by animatic

[jonclark]

Go on. Bring evidence. Any *justice* happened yet?

No, and if you expect justice once the next government is formed (PTP or Dem) you're only deluding yourself. If PTP form the next government do you really think the Dead red shorts will get justice. They were pawns to be sacrificed, the Army has swept away, cleared up and burnt any evidence linking it, other then circumstantial - No court in the Thailand is going to rule against the army. The army runs the country, governments come and go, but the army always remains. Look at your history books!! The UDD will be bitterly disappointed, then watch the factions split in PTP and the dance begins again.

Personally i don't give a s**t who runs the country. They are all equally inept.- Just to add, do you think PTP will want to drag the deaths through the court system - That will only intensify the scrutiny of the UDD / PTP unofficial partnership as both sides submit evidence and call into question the 'role' of some potential PTP MPs in the deaths of Thai citizens

Edited June 15, 2011 by jonclark

[OccamsRazor]

Unless they changed their stance, I think the Amnesty didn't include those responsible for the deaths of 90+ protesters.

Guess it must be covering the deaths of over 2000 though if Thaksin gets amnesty.

What 2000 death you are talking about? Was Thaksin declared guilty of it?

Believe everyone is aware of his war on drugs and the aftermath. I would say he is more culpable than whoever the previous poster thought was responsible for the 90.

[lannarebirth]

Naturally the post election outlook worries Abhisit.

Not only will his political career be in tatters, he will be facing a number of court cases and most probably be Thailands next fugitive.

Talk is cheap. *remark edited out for legal reasons*

Edited June 15, 2011 by Scott
edited for legal reasons

[lannarebirth]

Even for the army, civilians and journalists killed or injured by red shirts?

who?

A colonel for starters. A number of other army personnel on April 10. A woman on the BTS platform. Some of the multi-coloured shirts. A journalist on May 19. Just off the top of my head.

We could also look at the hospital invasion, and all the small businesses affected.

Shall I go on?

Go on. Bring evidence. Any *justice* happened yet?

Just a pinch so far. Thaksin's lawyers who tried to bribe the court got 6 months and disbarred. 3-5 years would have been more appropriate in my opinion.

[WhizBang]

Unless they changed their stance, I think the Amnesty didn't include those responsible for the deaths of 90+ protesters.

So, no amnesty for the red shirts, PT loudmouths or Thaksin either then.

That's good to know.

[samurai]

Unless they changed their stance, I think the Amnesty didn't include those responsible for the deaths of 90+ protesters.

OK, then that should lift the PTP MP status for Jaturporn, Nattawut and the Red Leaders

who are responsible for way over 50% of those 90 deaths.

Without THEIR personal and group actions, and we've seen the videos, there would have been NO DEATHS.

You throw out that 90 deaths as if all were caused by the army

which is hardly by ANY measure truth today. Or any day.

Ahh, the "protesters died as they ran into bullets" theory. Blame the victims.

After the PT win there will be a new independent committee, investigating all these death and we might see finally some results.

[samurai]

A colonel for starters. A number of other army personnel on April 10. A woman on the BTS platform. Some of the multi-coloured shirts. A journalist on May 19. Just off the top of my head.

We could also look at the hospital invasion, and all the small businesses affected.

Shall I go on?

Go on. Bring evidence. Any *justice* happened yet?

Just a pinch so far. Thaksin's lawyers who tried to bribe the court got 6 months and disbarred. 3-5 years would have been more appropriate in my opinion.

But the lawyers didn't kill the journalist, the multicoloured shirts and the colonel? Or did they?

[timekeeper]

He is unseated by the will of the people. That Thaksin bought.

What a nonsense.

2001 Thaksin Shinawatra won the elections. Allegations of vote-buying forced partial re-run of poll. Thaksin formed a coalition government.

2008 8 July - Former parliamentary speaker and deputy leader, Yongyut Tiyapairat was stripped of his seat by Thai election officials for vote buying in northern Thailand during last December elections.

December 2 - A Constitutional Court ruled that the People Power Party (PPP) be disbanded because one of their party executives was convicted of vote buying during the December 2007 elections.

Answer this question here:

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__4488080

And how many people exactly sold their vote?

that's not for me to say, you called a previous post ''nonsense'' that said Thaksin bought votes

a little research states otherwise so that makes your red defense ''nonsense''

however it follows that where there are sellers, there will be buyers

so if there were no sellers there could be no conviction for buying

there were convictions for vote buying so obviously there were sellers of votes

simple enough for you...........?

Edited June 15, 2011 by timekeeper

[lannarebirth]

Even for the army, civilians and journalists killed or injured by red shirts?

who?

A colonel for starters. A number of other army personnel on April 10. A woman on the BTS platform. Some of the multi-coloured shirts. A journalist on May 19. Just off the top of my head.

We could also look at the hospital invasion, and all the small businesses affected.

Shall I go on?

The woman at the BTS was also a multicolour and the only multicolour killed, I believe? Journalist on the 19th, Fabio Polenghi, was likely killed by the military according to evidence so far. I think there were 6 soldiers killed on 10th and 4 more killed by the MiB through the rest (one was friendly fire)? That's just off the top of my head though. Aren't some of the MiB actually in jail already? There were reports the Thai police had captured some of them last year. Might've just been a bunch of patsies though. Certainly the MiB involved on April 10th will be difficult to get hold of, I'd imagine.

Remember the driver of an Army truck that was pulled out of his truck and killed in cold blood? Videos abound.

[lannarebirth]

Speaking during an interview with international news agency Reuters, Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva suggested that electing Pheu Thai is a show of support for the return of fugitive former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra which will plunge the country into chaos again.

If the electorate vote for PT is it a sign that the people think otherwise and have their reason not to vote for the Democrats.

Time for Abhisit to realise and to accept that.

an Abhisit government representative declared on live TV that the Dems would accept the decision of the electorate

the interviewer asked the red mouthpiece if he would declare the same thing

he said ''it depends''...........

"depends" on what?

Depends on whether or not they get a phone call and a per diem to not accept it. What else?

[timekeeper]

Unless they changed their stance, I think the Amnesty didn't include those responsible for the deaths of 90+ protesters.

OK, then that should lift the PTP MP status for Jaturporn, Nattawut and the Red Leaders

who are responsible for way over 50% of those 90 deaths.

Without THEIR personal and group actions, and we've seen the videos, there would have been NO DEATHS.

You throw out that 90 deaths as if all were caused by the army

which is hardly by ANY measure truth today. Or any day.

Ahh, the "protesters died as they ran into bullets" theory. Blame the victims.

After the PT win there will be a new independent committee, investigating all these death and we might see finally some results.

who cares?

they were there illegally, involved in a violent, anarchic attempt at a red revolution

they knew why they were there

they knew the risks

som nom na.........

[lannarebirth]

A colonel for starters. A number of other army personnel on April 10. A woman on the BTS platform. Some of the multi-coloured shirts. A journalist on May 19. Just off the top of my head.

We could also look at the hospital invasion, and all the small businesses affected.

Shall I go on?

Go on. Bring evidence. Any *justice* happened yet?

Just a pinch so far. Thaksin's lawyers who tried to bribe the court got 6 months and disbarred. 3-5 years would have been more appropriate in my opinion.

But the lawyers didn't kill the journalist, the multicoloured shirts and the colonel? Or did they?

I doubt it. It's pretty obvious the Red/Black shirts did. You need to catch up on your reading. Google "Human Rights Watch Thailand".

[rixalex]

Depending on how aggressively they decide to pursue justice I'd be willing to wager on Abhisit or Suthep (or both)

How can you pursue something that you yourself are running from?

(and by "you", i mean the Shinawatras)

[Nickymaster]

Unless they changed their stance, I think the Amnesty didn't include those responsible for the deaths of 90+ protesters.

OK, then that should lift the PTP MP status for Jaturporn, Nattawut and the Red Leaders

who are responsible for way over 50% of those 90 deaths.

Without THEIR personal and group actions, and we've seen the videos, there would have been NO DEATHS.

You throw out that 90 deaths as if all were caused by the army

which is hardly by ANY measure truth today. Or any day.

Ahh, the "protesters died as they ran into bullets" theory. Blame the victims.

After the PT win there will be a new independent committee, investigating all these death and we might see finally some results.

Who will be leading this investigation?

Maybe it should be the same commitee that will be investigating Thaksin's killing of 2500 people within 90 days? Mostly innocent people got killed (without a warning, when they were sleeping).

Was it a war on drugs or just an excuse to kill anybody that doesn't support this Thaksin criminal?

UN and many other NGOs called Thaksin "a human rights abuser of its worst kind".

You must be a proud man supporting Thaksin (or just un-educated).

[MAJIC]

Unless they changed their stance, I think the Amnesty didn't include those responsible for the deaths of 90+ protesters.

But it doe's include an Amnesty for Thaksin, the one that was responsible for the Deaths of 2500 to 3000 Alleged Drug Dealers,

Doe's this refresh your memory a little? or doe's it not count as unlawful?

Edited June 15, 2011 by metisdead
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[MILT]

Naturally the post election outlook worries Abhisit.

Not only will his political career be in tatters, he will be facing a number of court cases and most probably be Thailands next fugitive.

I think you have had enough my friend