New Thai PM Urged To Probe Italian Photographer's Death

[cup-O-coffee]

They still want us to believe that they were innocent unarmed protesters, not terrorists...What a load of craps again...

Terrorists? Get a life!

[cup-O-coffee]

LET THE JUSTICE BEGIN AND RESPECT THE DEAD BY BRINGING THOSE GUILTY TO COURT AND THEN JAIL !!!!

To the point, Fabio Polenghi that is:

"Who killed Fabio Polenghi? A two weeks investigation by colleagues and friends of Fabio has cast some light on the circumstances of his killing. Fabio was killed by a bullet in an area where the Black Shirts were using mostly M 79 RPG – one of which severely wounded Canadian reporter Chandler Vandergrift – and M 16 assault rifles. On 19 May, these Black Shirts were occupying the Rajdamri Skytrain station, roughly 425 meters from the place where Fabio was hit. An M 16 is not very precise beyond a distance of one hundred meters, unless equipped with a sharp shooting vision device. On the other side, on the same day at around 11:00 am, hundreds of soldiers, deployed for the “clearing operation”, were advancing on Rajdamari, coming from the Saladaeng intersection and across Lumphini Park which covers the south-eastern flank of the road."

http://asiapacific.a...fabio-polenghi/

Would it not have been fairer to also quote an earlier and later paragraph from the same article?

On that day, the Thai army, ordered by Abhisit Vejjajiva’s government to “clear” the Rajprasong commercial area of Bangkok occupied for two months by the Reds, was advancing on Rajdamri road and firing indiscriminately, according to eyewitnesses, on demonstrators armed with slingshots and Molotov cocktails. In the course of his run, Fabio was hit by a bullet and collapsed. Carried by colleagues and demonstrators to the Police Hospital, he died later from his wound.

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In parallel, military sharp shooters, positioned on buildings surrounding Rajdamri road, were also shooting at Red shirt demonstrators who were occupying the road. “It is more likely that the Italian journalist has been hit by fire from advancing soldiers at the ground level, on Rajdamri road. I cannot see clearly why sharp shooters would particularly target him”, says a journalist who was on the military side on Rajdamri on 19 May. The type of bullet which killed Fabio, if it is revealed publicly someday, is not the most crucial element as Black shirts and military personnel have used some similar weapons. The most important elements are the entry point of the bullet, the description of the wound and the shooting angle, which could cast some light about the location of the shooter. Without these data, there will be no certainty on the identity of who killed the Italian journalist.

I have noticed that this kind of selective ordering of information is rather typical of this poster. This gains nothing and just undermines credibility.

Probably one of the most objective and well thought-out posts on this thread! Here here!

[rubl]

The other paper is reporting that the National Human Rights Commission has delayed the release of a report into human rights violations during the April-May clashes last year after internal discord over its content and findings.

Time to rewrite history with our version?

If you mean the democrat version, actually no. One of the contributors of the report has been arguing the case that the report is rather biased against the red shirts and negative conclusions made about said redshirts are not supported by evidence. You can read the article yourself.

So we wait for a update on the HRW report, I guess. Articles on in-fighting only distracts and diminish the perceived objectivity of a possible end result. An updated or new report will (should) give reasoning as to why and how things are phrased as they are.

In the mean time I still assume many parties are to blame, IMHO of course

[hellodolly]

LET THE JUSTICE BEGIN AND RESPECT THE DEAD BY BRINGING THOSE GUILTY TO COURT AND THEN JAIL !!!!

And how do you figure on doing that? He wont even enter the country and his henchmen are being elected to positions where they can not be prosecuted. The ones not elected are being protected by the ones elected.

[hellodolly]

You mean just like in Egypt? Barhein? Morroco? China? Myanmar? Syria?Libya

Don't you people find it a rather strange "coincidence" that despite some even much harder conflict taking place around the world, involving heavy artillery, air strikes, etc, only in Thailand we have so many casualties from the foreigner press, i wonder why?

Interesting question. I must admit I never really looked at it this way. A quick and superficial search gave me the impression that maybe the Thai government let the foreign press roam about too much ?

2011-03-28 "News, the way the Libyan authorities want it to be reported

Channel 4 News correspondent reveals the frustrations and restrictions faced by the foreign press pack"

http://www.guardian....n-foreign-press

Yes it is a interesting point.

One thing that has not been talked about here is the black shirts were trying to cause as much trouble as they could for the legal government of Thailand. They were working for a man who in his past dealings had shown he had no problem in ordering killings of innocent Thai civilians.

Would not the black shirts shooting of the reporter be in the same category.

[hellodolly]

LET THE JUSTICE BEGIN AND RESPECT THE DEAD BY BRINGING THOSE GUILTY TO COURT AND THEN JAIL !!!!

To the point, Fabio Polenghi that is:

"Who killed Fabio Polenghi? A two weeks investigation by colleagues and friends of Fabio has cast some light on the circumstances of his killing. Fabio was killed by a bullet in an area where the Black Shirts were using mostly M 79 RPG – one of which severely wounded Canadian reporter Chandler Vandergrift – and M 16 assault rifles. On 19 May, these Black Shirts were occupying the Rajdamri Skytrain station, roughly 425 meters from the place where Fabio was hit. An M 16 is not very precise beyond a distance of one hundred meters, unless equipped with a sharp shooting vision device. On the other side, on the same day at around 11:00 am, hundreds of soldiers, deployed for the "clearing operation", were advancing on Rajdamari, coming from the Saladaeng intersection and across Lumphini Park which covers the south-eastern flank of the road."

http://asiapacific.a...fabio-polenghi/

Would it not have been fairer to also quote an earlier and later paragraph from the same article?

On that day, the Thai army, ordered by Abhisit Vejjajiva's government to "clear" the Rajprasong commercial area of Bangkok occupied for two months by the Reds, was advancing on Rajdamri road and firing indiscriminately, according to eyewitnesses, on demonstrators armed with slingshots and Molotov cocktails. In the course of his run, Fabio was hit by a bullet and collapsed. Carried by colleagues and demonstrators to the Police Hospital, he died later from his wound.

(...)

In parallel, military sharp shooters, positioned on buildings surrounding Rajdamri road, were also shooting at Red shirt demonstrators who were occupying the road. "It is more likely that the Italian journalist has been hit by fire from advancing soldiers at the ground level, on Rajdamri road. I cannot see clearly why sharp shooters would particularly target him", says a journalist who was on the military side on Rajdamri on 19 May. The type of bullet which killed Fabio, if it is revealed publicly someday, is not the most crucial element as Black shirts and military personnel have used some similar weapons. The most important elements are the entry point of the bullet, the description of the wound and the shooting angle, which could cast some light about the location of the shooter. Without these data, there will be no certainty on the identity of who killed the Italian journalist.

I have noticed that this kind of selective ordering of information is rather typical of this poster. This gains nothing and just undermines credibility.

Probably one of the most objective and well thought-out posts on this thread! Here here!

Often I here armed with nothing but sling shots and Molotov cocktails. Are people trying to say these things are not dangerous and can not kill or seriously hurt peopleI give you a gun some one with Molotov cocktails starts throwing them at you would you not shoot them. Or just stand there and take it because it is only a Molotov cocktail.

Not having been there I do not know but I would venture a guess that the sling shots were a little bit more dangerous than the ones you buy for your kids or they make themselves.

I do not understand it the red shirts lost the battle but they have won the war they are now in charge of Thailand.Why do they keep on crying and trying to justify the battle they lost.

[animatic]

The other paper is reporting that the National Human Rights Commission has delayed the release of a report into human rights violations during the April-May clashes last year after internal discord over its content and findings.

Time to rewrite history with our version?

If you mean the democrat version, actually no. One of the contributors of the report has been arguing the case that the report is rather biased against the red shirts and negative conclusions made about said redshirts are not supported by evidence. You can read the article yourself.

Or they are scared about red retribution once they are let off the leash, if the report doesn't whitewash the Reds. Bet they remember attacks on judges and Arismans invasion of the EC offices. We knew this was coming; the FEAR of telling the truth...

Edited July 10, 2011 by animatic