Thai Red Shirts Warn Election Commission Of Backlash

[473geo]

Er..... hasn't Thaksin been handed a jail sentence, and banned from politics....that would appear to suggest your 'punishments' are already enacted...with possible further charges pending I understand...

If enacted punishments are ignored, are they really punishments at all?

If due process is followed you cannot say it didn't happen........

[hammered]

What Nattawut said is what every Thai person I know has been waiting to happen since before the election when it was obvious PTP were going to win easily and that they would then face problems.

Not the first time i have you heard you make this comment about the election results having been a foregone conclusion, and i question you on it again, because it doesn't match with my memory of what was being said on the streets, in the papers, in the polls, on the TV, or indeed on here. Up until the very last last couple of weeks, when a swing became apparent, i think both PTP and the Dems were running very closely and predicting the outcome very difficult. Your comment below from around that time suggests you felt this way too:

I wouldnt want to predict election outcome although watching for any party changes may give a better indication. Persoanlly I think the Dems will have trouble retaining all their current seats as BJT will be going directly against in the east with strong local influential backing. It also looks like PTP will also struggle to hold all their seats as presumably those defecting are going to win. It will be interesting to see if this time around either big party can actually increase its base.

My comments opinions were changed by talking to loads of Thai people over a long time who whatever their political persuasion said Thaksins party would win by a landslide and the Democrats had no chance of beating them, that I was wrong to think it would be close, that it was a waste of time looking at opinion polls which didnt survey the grassroots as much as those further up the foodchain and people had a habit of lying (exit polls seemed to confirm this). The people convinced me and they were right, and that old statement was very wrong as PTP did increase its base although at least I was right about the Dems. However, when you talk to lots of people (outside BKK for me - lower north and east) and they all say the same thing over time it is usually best to change opinion.

[473geo]

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Er..... hasn't Thaksin been handed a jail sentence, and banned from politics....that would appear to suggest your 'punishments' are already enacted...with possible further charges pending I understand...

Yes he has, and yes he was, and yes there are, but not 1 minute served, still heavily involved in politics, and unlikely to ever face further charges.

Thanks, the point being made was in the western world, he would, but actually as you say..................just an oversight I'm sure......

A very convenient oversight.

Don't be too harsh on JD everybody can have an off day......

[WarpSpeed]

It's only democracy if my side wins.

And while NOT being ANY sides apologist this was decided already in a definitive, democratic way just days ago, so let's move on children (meaning Thai politicians) it's like 2 seriously spoiled children in a big sand box dominating it so that no one else can use it..

It's said that Yinglucks violation revolves around her cooking and serving some noodle soup to constituents and that being a potential vote buying scheme? Puleeeeeease!!! Could they be any more trivial and childish??? I've no dog in this fight, I just want it all to go away until I can make my way out of here permanently and safely with my family and then all hell can break loose FAIC...

Yingluck's cooking charges have been dismissed.

She is currently not endorsed because of the "Thaksin thinks. Pheu Thai does" slogan. But I'm not sure why that is. It should be a charge leveled against the executives, which she isn't.

Ok I stand corrected though it should have never been an issue in the first place, still trivial and childish beyond all get out including the new topic review..

[whybother]

Ok I stand corrected though it should have never been an issue in the first place, still trivial and childish beyond all get out including the new topic review..

Fortunately / Unfortunately anyone can lodge a complaint. The EC is duty bound to investigate it. In this case they quickly dismissed it.

[rubl]

Er..... hasn't Thaksin been handed a jail sentence, and banned from politics....that would appear to suggest your 'punishments' are already enacted...with possible further charges pending I understand...

If enacted punishments are ignored, are they really punishments at all?

If due process is followed you cannot say it didn't happen........

So that's why the EC is still looking in the charge that k. Thaksin a banned politician was involved in Phey thai policies, election campaing, etc., etc. ?

[rubl]

Ok I stand corrected though it should have never been an issue in the first place, still trivial and childish beyond all get out including the new topic review..

Fortunately / Unfortunately anyone can lodge a complaint. The EC is duty bound to investigate it. In this case they quickly dismissed it.

How about k. Abhisit's cooking charge. Dismissed?

[whybother]

Ok I stand corrected though it should have never been an issue in the first place, still trivial and childish beyond all get out including the new topic review..

Fortunately / Unfortunately anyone can lodge a complaint. The EC is duty bound to investigate it. In this case they quickly dismissed it.

How about k. Abhisit's cooking charge. Dismissed?

From what I understand, there was no actual complaint lodged. It was just a "But Abhisit ..." used by some to defend Yingluck.

[hammered]

Isnt the Abhisit charge about a fair?

[jdinasia]

Ok I stand corrected though it should have never been an issue in the first place, still trivial and childish beyond all get out including the new topic review..

Fortunately / Unfortunately anyone can lodge a complaint. The EC is duty bound to investigate it. In this case they quickly dismissed it.

How about k. Abhisit's cooking charge. Dismissed?

Cooking isn't illegal even when Yingluck does it ... giving away food can be. I don't think Abhisit gave away any food.

[whybother]

Isnt the Abhisit charge about a fair?

Details here:

- Top Democrat party-list candidate Abhisit Vejjajiva: Abusing his power as prime minister by getting the Commerce Ministry to hold a fair selling items at discounted prices in Samut Prakan on the day of advance voting, asking a "subordinate" to buy votes, using amplifiers in prohibited areas and intimidation.

[rixalex]

My comments opinions were changed by talking to loads of Thai people over a long time who whatever their political persuasion said Thaksins party would win by a landslide and the Democrats had no chance of beating them, that I was wrong to think it would be close, that it was a waste of time looking at opinion polls which didnt survey the grassroots as much as those further up the foodchain and people had a habit of lying (exit polls seemed to confirm this). The people convinced me and they were right, and that old statement was very wrong as PTP did increase its base although at least I was right about the Dems. However, when you talk to lots of people (outside BKK for me - lower north and east) and they all say the same thing over time it is usually best to change opinion.

Thanks for the explanation.

I don't question it, but will only say your experience differs greatly from mine. Day to day i meet and speak to a wide variety of Thais, and in the lead up to the election, i found the complete spectrum of predictions, opinions, comments, and for the most part, the only Thais who were going as far as talk of landslides, were the red supporters. Prevailing opinion was the same as the one here at that time; that it would be tight.

Anyway, obviously the circle you mix in had a better idea of how things would play out, so kudos to them.

[siampolee]

How does one equate to comments made that one will follow the rule of law by a party leader, yet when there appears to be some doubt as to the honesty factor involved in the election process the biggest group of grass roots supporters start braying like a pack of hound upon picking up a scent ?

Mob rule it would seem is acceptable to the Red Shirts brigade with their somewhat distorted view of democracy if the verdict is not to their liking. Indeed their exiled leader and paymaster has indeed trained the pack well.

Do these people, indeed will these people protest if members of other parties are not confirmed as M.P.s ?

Somehow I think not as the old saying goes. " One cannot serve two masters".

Democracy, " my brand only or it will be violence to settle the matter."

All sadly as was predicted in the period before the election.

Edited July 14, 2011 by siampolee

[WarpSpeed]

Ok I stand corrected though it should have never been an issue in the first place, still trivial and childish beyond all get out including the new topic review..

Fortunately / Unfortunately anyone can lodge a complaint. The EC is duty bound to investigate it. In this case they quickly dismissed it.

And went on to something equally childish and trivial.. But.................... TiT...........

^Mob rule??? :cheesy: An election is basically mob rule in that it's a mob of people who vote in a candidate so in that context you're right it was mob rule...

I'm also having trouble understanding the angst towards the reds since they have elected the PM and are not going to stand by while she is trashed over these childish & trivial charges. Get a grip guys she/they won the election they aren't the ones trying to overturn the results with rubbish claims and complaints.. If that goes away so does all the other issues including the threats and reds themselves...

You know on second thought it's all academic this country will never change and I already have my solution for it..

Edited July 14, 2011 by WarpSpeed

[rubl]

Anyone with a complete list of charges still being looked at? Probably not with the EC only commenting afterwards

[hammered]

My comments opinions were changed by talking to loads of Thai people over a long time who whatever their political persuasion said Thaksins party would win by a landslide and the Democrats had no chance of beating them, that I was wrong to think it would be close, that it was a waste of time looking at opinion polls which didnt survey the grassroots as much as those further up the foodchain and people had a habit of lying (exit polls seemed to confirm this). The people convinced me and they were right, and that old statement was very wrong as PTP did increase its base although at least I was right about the Dems. However, when you talk to lots of people (outside BKK for me - lower north and east) and they all say the same thing over time it is usually best to change opinion.

Thanks for the explanation.

I don't question it, but will only say your experience differs greatly from mine. Day to day i meet and speak to a wide variety of Thais, and in the lead up to the election, i found the complete spectrum of predictions, opinions, comments, and for the most part, the only Thais who were going as far as talk of landslides, were the red supporters. Prevailing opinion was the same as the one here at that time; that it would be tight.

Anyway, obviously the circle you mix in had a better idea of how things would play out, so kudos to them.

Opinion may have been different in urban areas but for me the people in the villages were so certain and also even in Chonburi I saw such a rise in red support and last election the Dems won every seat in Chonburi. The new Phalang Chon played that brilliantly with their neutral stance and picking up not only disilusioned Dems but many red votes from those who feared voting PTP would let the Dems in again in Chonburi. And even my Thaksin despising wife was always certain "Thaksin would win the election" as she put it.

The reds are very very good at guaging their own support from what I see, and a lot better than the Dems. They were talking about 265ish seats before the election. Pretty accurate in the end. Just before the election the Dems still thought they would be within 20 seats from what I heard, and even hoped with BJT doing well they would cobble something together

[warfie]

If you don't give me what I want I'll stamp my feet and scweam and scweam and scweam!

[WarpSpeed]

If you don't give me what I want I'll stamp my feet and scweam and scweam and scweam!

That's directed towards the Dems yes??

[whybother]

If you don't give me what I want I'll stamp my feet and scweam and scweam and scweam!

That's directed towards the Dems yes??

No. I think it would be directed at the red shirts.

The red-shirt leadership yesterday warned the Election Commission of an angry backlash from the movement over its decision not to endorse any of its leaders who won places in the House of Representatives in the recent general election.

[bobmac10]

If I recall correctly Mr. Natthawut is Currently out on Bail.

Is it permissible to Publicly Threaten the Election Commissioners (or anyone else) under the present bail conditions?...

Is it permissible to Publicly Threaten the Election Commissioners (or anyone else) under ANY CONDITIONS?

Oh wait,

he is using his own double standards to complain about double standards, so that makes it ok? ... NOT!

The people have spoken, woe to the crooks who try to prevent this historic election victory by PT.

I would not blame them if they ransacked the whole establishment.

We all know but can't say who is behind this EC move.

Another attempt to keep themselves in power at any cost.

Go PT!!!!

[whybother]

The people have spoken, woe to the crooks who try to prevent this historic election victory by PT.

I would not blame them if they ransacked the whole establishment.

We all know but can't say who is behind this EC move.

Another attempt to keep themselves in power at any cost.

Go PT!!!!

Yay for Red Democracy. Go Mob Rule.

[rubl]

The other newspaper has a newsflash on Pheu Thai filing a new petition with the EC today, to dissolve Dem's and BJT for the 'Blue Flag' issue in Samut Prakan on June 26.

May I remind posters that this is Pheu Thai's good, democratic right to do so and only stresses the importance of 'rule of law'. We can't have double standards on this, understood!

Edited July 14, 2011 by rubl

[whybother]

The other newspaper has a newsflash on Pheu Thai filing a new petition with the EC today, to dissolve Dem's and BJT for the 'Blue Flag' issue in Samut Prakan on June 26.

May I remind posters that this is Pheu Thai's good, democratic right to do so and only stresses the importance of 'rule of law'. We can't have double standards on this, understood!

I thought the time had elapsed to file complaints?

edit: of course, this is just to set up the "double standards" argument

Edited July 14, 2011 by whybother

[rubl]

The other newspaper has a newsflash on Pheu Thai filing a new petition with the EC today, to dissolve Dem's and BJT for the 'Blue Flag' issue in Samut Prakan on June 26.

May I remind posters that this is Pheu Thai's good, democratic right to do so and only stresses the importance of 'rule of law'. We can't have double standards on this, understood!

I thought the time had elapsed to file complaints?

I thought so too, but lots of complaints have been filed by all and sunder AFTER seven days. Maybe there's some small print in the Election Laws which allows this in certain cases

Edited July 14, 2011 by rubl

[rixalex]

I'm also having trouble understanding the angst towards the reds since they have elected the PM and are not going to stand by while she is trashed over these childish & trivial charges. Get a grip guys she/they won the election they aren't the ones trying to overturn the results with rubbish claims and complaints.. If that goes away so does all the other issues including the threats and reds themselves...

Firstly, nobody has elected a PM yet. MPs have been elected. These MPs will elect the next PM.

Secondly, nobody is talking about or suggesting an overturn, besides red fanaticals with twisted knickers. The worst possible outcome, PTP being dissolved, will be no obstacle for Yingluck. So calm down.

Thirdly, how are you in a position to say that all the claims and complaints are rubbish? Are you privy to them all? Have you studied all the evidence compiled?

[jdinasia]

If I recall correctly Mr. Natthawut is Currently out on Bail.

Is it permissible to Publicly Threaten the Election Commissioners (or anyone else) under the present bail conditions?...

Is it permissible to Publicly Threaten the Election Commissioners (or anyone else) under ANY CONDITIONS?

Oh wait,

he is using his own double standards to complain about double standards, so that makes it ok? ... NOT!

The people have spoken, woe to the crooks who try to prevent this historic election victory by PT.

I would not blame them if they ransacked the whole establishment.

We all know but can't say who is behind this EC move.

Another attempt to keep themselves in power at any cost.

Go PT!!!!

It is absolutely acceptable to say that the EC is behind the EC's decision. The next step will probably be the Constitution Court.

[jdinasia]

I'm also having trouble understanding the angst towards the reds since they have elected the PM and are not going to stand by while she is trashed over these childish & trivial charges. Get a grip guys she/they won the election they aren't the ones trying to overturn the results with rubbish claims and complaints.. If that goes away so does all the other issues including the threats and reds themselves...

Firstly, nobody has elected a PM yet. MPs have been elected. These MPs will elect the next PM.

Secondly, nobody is talking about or suggesting an overturn, besides red fanaticals with twisted knickers. The worst possible outcome, PTP being dissolved, will be no obstacle for Yingluck. So calm down.

Thirdly, how are you in a position to say that all the claims and complaints are rubbish? Are you privy to them all? Have you studied all the evidence compiled?

Thaksin's involvement with PTP at a decision making/policy level is well documented. Nothing trivial in nature about it, nor is it a "rubbish claim." The PTP motto/slogan "Thaksin thinks, PTP does" is more than enough evidence against them. I am still hoping that instead of disbanding the party, that they just add more charges against Thaksin in criminal court, but tbh the rule of law would be better served the other way.

[warfie]

If you don't give me what I want I'll stamp my feet and scweam and scweam and scweam!

That's directed towards the Dems yes??

Title of this thread "Thai Red Shirts Warn Election Commission Of Backlash"

Gawd... isn't it obvious enough?

[rixalex]

The people have spoken, woe to the crooks who try to prevent this historic election victory by PT.

I would not blame them if they ransacked the whole establishment.

We all know but can't say who is behind this EC move.

Another attempt to keep themselves in power at any cost.

Go PT!!!!

By "the people have spoken", are you referring to the 43% who voted PTP?

[WarpSpeed]

If you don't give me what I want I'll stamp my feet and scweam and scweam and scweam!

That's directed towards the Dems yes??

No. I think it would be directed at the red shirts.

The red-shirt leadership yesterday warned the Election Commission of an angry backlash from the movement over its decision not to endorse any of its leaders who won places in the House of Representatives in the recent general election.

Sorry forgot this .....