Lite Beer Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Thaksin could accept brief imprisonment in his reconciliation plan BANGKOK, 17 July 2011 (NNT)- Democrat Party MP Attaporn Ponlaboot explained that even though the red shirt activist had prepared a compelling case against the election commission during the investigation of election’s result, he believed that the red shirt political group will not make a move since some of the group’s mainstay and fugitive former premier Thaksin Shinawatra appeared to be emphasizing on reconciliation plan, this however had disappointed part of the red shirt activists. Mr.Attaporn elaborated that the methods of Thaksin’s reconciliation plan might have undergone a discussion with every department, with an intention to return to the country without an amnesty but a month or 15 days of imprisonment to whitewash the faults so that Thaksin Shinawatra will be able to join politics once again. However, if the reconciliation method’s of Thaksin Shinawatra is as assumed, Democrat party will have no rights to interfere with decisions made but it is strongly believed that the politics in the country would experience more unrest. -- NNT 2011-07-17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Possibally something like 15 days home detention or an electronic tag so he does not go further than say 500 kms from his home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkidlad Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 How about he does his full stint in prison like everyone else 'convicted' of a crime! How about being banned from politics forever no ifs or buts. This would set an example to the rich that they can't do what they please. Rich or poor - you are the same and will be treated the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eezergood Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 How about he does his full stint in prison like everyone else 'convicted' of a crime! How about being banned from politics forever no ifs or buts. This would set an example to the rich that they can't do what they please. Rich or poor - you are the same and will be treated the same. Every one is equal, just some more equal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepi2005 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 chooka, I think you misunderstood: 15 days is not BRIEF. "brief", that would probably be 15 minutes in his understanding. Thailand - always good for to have some fun, what a joke really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamluan Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 this is just the beginning you may loose your faith in us..... But never in yourselves prepare for the curfew's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 chooka, I think you misunderstood: 15 days is not BRIEF. "brief", that would probably be 15 minutes in his understanding. Thailand - always good for to have some fun, what a joke really! That's true I was being a little harsh. They could then cut that 15 mins down with good behaviour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 How about he does his full stint in prison like everyone else 'convicted' of a crime! How about being banned from politics forever no ifs or buts. This would set an example to the rich that they can't do what they please. Rich or poor - you are the same and will be treated the same. Do his full stint in prison!!!????....Can't do that as prison don't have long term parking for the Mercedes or any maid service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickyknee Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 a brief imprisonment, is that spending his time incarcerated in only his underpants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 (edited) How about he does his full stint in prison like everyone else 'convicted' of a crime! How about being banned from politics forever no ifs or buts. This would set an example to the rich that they can't do what they please. Rich or poor - you are the same and will be treated the same. Agree totally. The man is a convicted criminal, and very likely would have been found guilty of numerous other serious crimes if the judicial processes had continued. But any discussion / action today should / must be based on the current conviction. He must be treated like any other convicted criminal. Special consideration for this man is totally wrong and totally unacceptable. Anything else makes a mockery of the intent and the process of the law and creates highly undesireable precedents. Edited July 17, 2011 by scorecard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 How about he does his full stint in prison like everyone else 'convicted' of a crime! How about being banned from politics forever no ifs or buts. This would set an example to the rich that they can't do what they please. Rich or poor - you are the same and will be treated the same. Agree totally. The man is a convicted criminal, and very likely would have been found guilty of numerous other serious crimes if the judicial processes had continued. But any discussion / action today should / must be based on the current conviction. He must be treated like any other convicted criminal. Special consideration for this man is totally wrong and totally unacceptable. Anything else makes a mockery of the intent and the process of the law. This fugitive can talk the hind leg off a donkey. To me it's got to be sick if he gets less than his sentence, What the dickens is (((HIS RECONCILIATION PLAN)) what has he got to do with any plan. TOPIC more fodder for him, keep giving him air time he loves it, all what he thinks and what he's doing should NOT be coming onto threads he should be blocked and ignored more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellodolly Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 How about he does his full stint in prison like everyone else 'convicted' of a crime! How about being banned from politics forever no ifs or buts. This would set an example to the rich that they can't do what they please. Rich or poor - you are the same and will be treated the same. You have very good points. I look forward to seeing them come into being in Thailand say maybe in 50 years. In the mean time we are stuck with the current system reward the rich and penalize the poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchai Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 (edited) this is just the beginning you may loose your faith in us..... But never in yourselves prepare for the curfew's Didnt we know that before? Wasnt it why some voted for Abhisit? Heres the chaos……………..:jap: Edited July 17, 2011 by metisdead Font reset, use default forum font when posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteeleJoe Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 (edited) How about he does his full stint in prison like everyone else 'convicted' of a crime! How about being banned from politics forever no ifs or buts. This would set an example to the rich that they can't do what they please. Rich or poor - you are the same and will be treated the same. Do his full stint in prison!!!????....Can't do that as prison don't have long term parking for the Mercedes or any maid service. Joking aside, I think you'll find that on the (exceedingly rare) occasions when those with power and influence get incarcerated, the correctional facility personnel can be very accommodating -- including things like that and more. In other words, while I'm not saying it will happen, if Thaksin went into prison his experience would be quite different from that which the average prisoner has. (And I know for a fact that some prisoners have been allowed out at night on a regular basis and allowed to relax at private home with prison officials as minders then allowed to come back before "roll call" -- and sometimes resume residence in the infirmary w/ air con and real beds etc.) EDIT TO ADD: It should have read "...allowed to relax at private home, with prison officials as minders, and alcohol and ladies etc on tap.." Edited July 17, 2011 by SteeleJoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Mr.Attaporn elaborated that the methods of Thaksin’s reconciliation plan might have undergone a discussion with every department, with an intention to return to the country without an amnesty but a month or 15 days of imprisonment to whitewash the faults so that Thaksin Shinawatra will be able to join politics once again. This whole article is based on the opinion of one person. And I believe he would be wrong on one part. If he is incarcerated, then he would not "be able to join politics once again". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eezergood Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 "HIs plan" - go after Abhisit et al for their "brutal slayings' during the red demonstration/riot eras, force said parties to flee or potentially use diplomatic and or parliamentary immunity OR other passports (British perhaps?????) then in the 'spirit of Thai reconcilliation' give one & all a pardon inclusive of the upet master and allow said villain to ride triumphant on his majestic white elephant down Sukhumvit ! the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteeleJoe Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 How about he does his full stint in prison like everyone else 'convicted' of a crime! How about being banned from politics forever no ifs or buts. This would set an example to the rich that they can't do what they please. Rich or poor - you are the same and will be treated the same. Agree totally. The man is a convicted criminal, and very likely would have been found guilty of numerous other serious crimes if the judicial processes had continued. But any discussion / action today should / must be based on the current conviction. He must be treated like any other convicted criminal. Special consideration for this man is totally wrong and totally unacceptable. Anything else makes a mockery of the intent and the process of the law and creates highly undesireable precedents. I'm in complete agreement with you -- indeed what you say seems obvious to me -- except the last: Precedents?! A blatant example of how there is a different law for the rich and powerful in Thailand would be a precedent? Offhand I think I'd call it more like an egregious perpetuation, to an intolerable and arguably dangerous (and certainly detrimental) degree, of a centuries old but inherently unjust norm. Or maybe just, "really f*^ked up". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eezergood Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 How about he does his full stint in prison like everyone else 'convicted' of a crime! How about being banned from politics forever no ifs or buts. This would set an example to the rich that they can't do what they please. Rich or poor - you are the same and will be treated the same. Do his full stint in prison!!!????....Can't do that as prison don't have long term parking for the Mercedes or any maid service. Joking aside, I think you'll find that on the (exceedingly rare) occasions when those with power and influence get incarcerated, the correctional facility personnel can be very accommodating -- including things like that and more. In other words, while I'm not saying it will happen, if Thaksin went into prison his experience would be quite different from that which the average prisoner has. (And I know for a fact that some prisoners have been allowed out at night on a regular basis and allowed to relax at private home with prison officials as minders then allowed to come back before "roll call" -- and sometimes resume residence in the infirmary w/ air con and real beds etc.) Care to share further if you know for a fact.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eezergood Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 How about he does his full stint in prison like everyone else 'convicted' of a crime! How about being banned from politics forever no ifs or buts. This would set an example to the rich that they can't do what they please. Rich or poor - you are the same and will be treated the same. Agree totally. The man is a convicted criminal, and very likely would have been found guilty of numerous other serious crimes if the judicial processes had continued. But any discussion / action today should / must be based on the current conviction. He must be treated like any other convicted criminal. Special consideration for this man is totally wrong and totally unacceptable. Anything else makes a mockery of the intent and the process of the law and creates highly undesireable precedents. I'm in complete agreement with you -- indeed what you say seems obvious to me -- except the last: Precedents?! A blatant example of how there is a different law for the rich and powerful in Thailand would be a precedent? Offhand I think I'd call it more like an egregious perpetuation, to an intolerable and arguably dangerous (and certainly detrimental) degree, of a centuries old but inherently unjust norm. Or maybe just, "really f*^ked up". For the sake of those of us in the cheap seats, I go for the latter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteeleJoe Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 How about he does his full stint in prison like everyone else 'convicted' of a crime! How about being banned from politics forever no ifs or buts. This would set an example to the rich that they can't do what they please. Rich or poor - you are the same and will be treated the same. Do his full stint in prison!!!????....Can't do that as prison don't have long term parking for the Mercedes or any maid service. Joking aside, I think you'll find that on the (exceedingly rare) occasions when those with power and influence get incarcerated, the correctional facility personnel can be very accommodating -- including things like that and more. In other words, while I'm not saying it will happen, if Thaksin went into prison his experience would be quite different from that which the average prisoner has. (And I know for a fact that some prisoners have been allowed out at night on a regular basis and allowed to relax at private home with prison officials as minders then allowed to come back before "roll call" -- and sometimes resume residence in the infirmary w/ air con and real beds etc.) Care to share further if you know for a fact.................. No, thanks. (Given the lack of support for the claim or elaboration on it, I'd not blame anyone for dismissing it and am not at all concerned whether anyone does -- but I stand by it nonetheless). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eezergood Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 [ Care to share further if you know for a fact.................. No, thanks. (Given the lack of support for the claim or elaboration on it, I'd not blame anyone for dismissing it and am not at all concerned whether anyone does -- but I stand by it nonetheless). Rather than dismiss it, my intrigue grows further......... I am a firm believer in innocent until preoven guilty, or as in your case truthful until proven otherwise! AND afterall TIT, if you care to share PM me, as I also had a journo mate that met RIchard BArrow and he too stands by this claim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Two years hard leisure at the 5 start resort of his choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP25 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Will the 76 billion baht be returned after the 30 days? That would make it 2.5 billion per day. At the minimum wage of 300 per day promised to the people that voted for PTP, it would take 700,000 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellodolly Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 What ever happened to the search to find out where the money for the red shirt uprising came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pi Sek Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 How about he does his full stint in prison like everyone else 'convicted' of a crime! How about being banned from politics forever no ifs or buts. This would set an example to the rich that they can't do what they please. Rich or poor - you are the same and will be treated the same. Agree totally. The man is a convicted criminal, and very likely would have been found guilty of numerous other serious crimes if the judicial processes had continued. But any discussion / action today should / must be based on the current conviction. He must be treated like any other convicted criminal. Special consideration for this man is totally wrong and totally unacceptable. Anything else makes a mockery of the intent and the process of the law and creates highly undesireable precedents. Normally I think your posts sound a little harsh, but this one is pure logic. To add, it would not only create highly undesireable precedents but it would create more of a barrier to reconciliation than it would to do to transgress it. But then we're getting into whether more Thais want Thaksin back than don't want him back, and people of different shirt persuasions interpret Peua Thai's election win in different ways. Some interpret it that the majority of the country overwhelmingly want Thaksin to return with impunity in some sort of presidential capacity. I interpret it that 48.91% wanted him back or didn't care, and the rest either didn't care or didn't want him back. So, whilst I can only hope that more than half of the Thai population would object to the overriding of the legal system for the benefit of one person and that, if a popular referendum was made "Do you want Thaksin back as PM now?", more than 50% would say 'no'; I only know that not more than 48.91% actually want him back and would answer 'yes'. Mr.Attaporn elaborated that the methods of Thaksin’s reconciliation plan might have undergone a discussion with every department, with an intention to return to the country without an amnesty but a month or 15 days of imprisonment to whitewash the faults so that Thaksin Shinawatra will be able to join politics once again. This whole article is based on the opinion of one person. And I believe he would be wrong on one part. If he is incarcerated, then he would not "be able to join politics once again". Indeed. However, if "reconciliation" requires the relaxation of one clause of the Law and allow him to escape his full due punishment(s), it opens the possibility that it would be best to relax or ignore other clauses of the Law if it is to achieve the highly desirable reconciliation between all interested Thai parties, as Thaksin misguidedly expects (?) his return to politics will do. Which brings the next question - when are the protests, at what scale will we see them and how much longer do we really have to wait until we see some peace and, on purely selfish terms, stability that so we can do our jobs and get on with our lives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chang_paarp Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 (edited) How about allowing him into the country and banning any mention of him in any media for the duration of his sentence. Far more effective than giving him a stream of oxygen. Edited July 17, 2011 by Chang_paarp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murgatroyd Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 (edited) In any fair or equitable arrangement he would have no chance of being given bail if he returned. As he has already made a mockery of that trust when he defaulted on his bail and fled the country. Immediate incarceration would have to be the only option upon his return. However, as has been pointed out, incarceration for the mega rich is a very different kettle of fish sauce in comparison to prison for the average Thai or farang. His time spent inside would be in a luxurious, probably purpose built facility, with no restrictions on home comforts, visitors, consumables or access to all forms of contact with the outside world, (Though it would be politic to avoid issuing press releases or speaking to political rallies via webcam). Time off for good behaviour could shorten his sentence considerably, and a further part of that sentence could be commuted to home curfew. Then there's always the possibility of a Royal Pardon. However, to appease those in Thai society who would insist that he was seen to "Serve his time" he would have to show remorse for his crimes. That would be essential before a pardon could be granted, and would be the only way of paving the path towards any form of genuine reconciliation. As to his further involvement in politics, I would imagine that a short ban would be arranged, again to show that he was fully prepared to demonstrate his desire for full reconciliation. Yes, it may not be fair by the standards of some countries, but I think it's the best anyone could realistically hope for in Thailand with his daughter as PM. Edited July 17, 2011 by Murgatroyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 "The Elite" don't go to jail. Only the poor and poorly connected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softgeorge Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 (edited) How about he does his full stint in prison like everyone else 'convicted' of a crime! How about being banned from politics forever no ifs or buts. This would set an example to the rich that they can't do what they please. Rich or poor - you are the same and will be treated the same. Has he actually been sentenced yet? How long did he actually get or did he skip before sentencing was passed? If he hasn't actually been sentenced then he could possibably just get the 15 days home detention. I'm asking because I have no idea if he has been sentenced so please don't attack me. It's a fair and reasonable question. Edited July 17, 2011 by softgeorge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 How about he does his full stint in prison like everyone else 'convicted' of a crime! How about being banned from politics forever no ifs or buts. This would set an example to the rich that they can't do what they please. Rich or poor - you are the same and will be treated the same. Has he actually been sentenced yet? How long did he actually get or did he skip before sentencing was passed? If he hasn't actually been sentenced then he could possibably just get the 15 days home detention. I'm asking because I have no idea if he has been sentenced so please don't attack me. It's a fair and reasonable question. Sentenced 2 years. Bail was granted and he skipped. Many other cases, most far more serious, pending Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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