I Need Help Finding My Thai Son In Uk

[randomname13579]

Hi

I read your posts with interest. I am also a new Father and the child is in Thialand. I am working with Thai Lawyers to go through the legitimization process at the moment. It seems to me that there are many Dads here who can be a great source of support in this area.

Anyway dont give up.

All the best

[tamsloon]

Thanks for you support it is greatly appreciated, i also hope you have success ..C

Hi

I read your posts with interest. I am also a new Father and the child is in Thialand. I am working with Thai Lawyers to go through the legitimization process at the moment. It seems to me that there are many Dads here who can be a great source of support in this area.

Anyway dont give up.

All the best

[exbelg]

some people seem to forget that farang (0 rights) in this country will always lose in court when up against a thai citizen

[tamsloon]

My problem is that my ex is in the UK now, and I am finding it very difficult to get her contact address due to the Data Ptotection Act , If I could find out where she is i could get here to court and enforce the child access court order that i recieved as part of my divorce settlement. Personally speaking I actually think it would be easier to do, if it was in Thailand as you could buy the information .but no matter what it is grief and hassle that I could do without , I should be spending time with my son instead of fighting to get access. Thanks for your post .it is appreciated C

some people seem to forget that farang (0 rights) in this country will always lose in court when up against a thai citizen

[OlafStapleton]

My problem is that my ex is in the UK now, and I am finding it very difficult to get her contact address due to the Data Ptotection Act , If I could find out where she is i could get here to court and enforce the child access court order that i recieved as part of my divorce settlement. Personally speaking I actually think it would be easier to do, if it was in Thailand as you could buy the information .but no matter what it is grief and hassle that I could do without , I should be spending time with my son instead of fighting to get access. Thanks for your post .it is appreciated C

She will go social services (or child school), tell scared you hurt children, scared you abduct children to Thailand, etc..

Court order overturned by SS.

You then pay fees for new court order, etc.

This game lady in UK can play forever.

Court order for child access by man mean nothing without woman willing.

If she willing you already know address, so not willing.

Edited July 31, 2011 by OlafStapleton

[Mario2008]

some people seem to forget that farang (0 rights) in this country will always lose in court when up against a thai citizen

Complete nonsense.

[Dag]

some people seem to forget that farang (0 rights) in this country will always lose in court when up against a thai citizen

Perhaps a good question for that Noyes seminar in Pattaya........send it in.

[MikeyIdea]

some people seem to forget that farang (0 rights) in this country will always lose in court when up against a thai citizen

Utter nonsense

[MikeyIdea]

Thanks for the post but I dont want to go down the Thai court route , that would only be a pocket filler for solicitors . and I need to focus on where they are staying now which is the Uk somewhere .Thanks for the post . C

OP,

There are of course disadvantages as well as advantages with going down the Thai court way. I do not see it as a pocket filler for solicitors though. A Thai court case would be less than 2000 pounds in solicitors costs (peanuts compared to what it will cost you in England) and you will get a fair trial - as the child has the right to his father according to Thai law. If you do get sole custody awarded in Thailand, then you would be in a better situation when you fight for your rights in England and your English court costs could very well go down. This path is probably open IF you can say that the (verbal) agreement between you and the mother (made after the English court ruling) was that you could see your child in Thailand and the mother took the child out of Thailand without your consent. You need to double check with a lawyer of course

The Thai path is not going to be open that long. Do carefully check up the English path but if the information coming forward (based on documented experience from fathers in the same situation as you are) is that you are unlikely to be able to get access, then perhaps the Thai path is the best thing you can get

Good Luck

Michael

[Trembly]

I agree in principle with MikeyIdea regarding the Thai court route.

From what I've read in the news here and there, UK family courts tend to respect foreign family court orders. Thai family courts have a reputation for fairness (rulings are usually given in favour of the parent most able to personally provide for the child's well-being and future, regardless of gender). However, the fact that you spend a vast amount of time off-shore might make things a bit sticky. Still worth a go though. As I understand it (happy to be corrected), a Thai court order giving you partial custody would force the UK courts into action, in turn forcing the UK police to act.

Edited August 1, 2011 by Trembly

[samran]

some people seem to forget that farang (0 rights) in this country will always lose in court when up against a thai citizen

utter horse poo.

[IMA_FARANG]

Like it or not any child protection group will always consider the welfare of the child as their main concern. This also includes any kind of child support services. Also, they will always assume that the mother who is normally raising the child should have first priority. After all, in their eyes, the MOTHER is the primary care-taker of the child as the child is living with her on a daily basis.

Unless there is some way you can PROVE to their satisfaction that the mother is doing something that makes her unfit as a mother, you have almost no chance of changing their collective minds. For every case of a child being abducted by one of the child's parents there are probably 4 cases of fathers taking their child away from the mother without her approval to 1 than the other way around.

I know all you want is visiting rights to see your child....but you have to understand that these agencies must assume this to be the case...because statistically it is the case.

All you can hope to do, and it's a very small hope, is to return to that divorce court that granted you the vistation rights for your child...and try to get them to enforce those rights. This is only a very slight chance. But if you can do that...and prove that your ex-wife has violated that court order...you may be able to force your ex-wife to honor it. At the very least, you will establish her as being legally in non-compliance with that court visitation rights order.

You will definately need a solicitor to advise you on this matter.

[Mario2008]

The vision that the mother is always the best caretaker is outdated and not true nowadays. The courts in most countries make their decisions based on what they think is the best for the child, and if that is staying with the father than that is staying with the father.

[OlafStapleton]

The vision that the mother is always the best caretaker is outdated and not true nowadays. The courts in most countries make their decisions based on what they think is the best for the child, and if that is staying with the father than that is staying with the father.

Rubbish, in UK, USA, Canada, Australia mother always get child.

Unless mother serious psycho/druggie/prostitute, and even then she have good chance.

[MikeyIdea]

Australia: I work a lot with Australians (in Melbourne - as our technical departments are located there) and have built up many good friendships there over the years. I am not saying that it as bad as it seems to be in England but it is still very clear to me that Australian juvenile courts are biased toward the mother rather than giving mother and father equal chance. The fathers get access, but not equal opportunity. The divorces and consequent custody cases my Australian friends had happened 5 to 10 years ago

England: The brits that I work with (including a few women) all have the opinion that mothers are favoured over fathers

Sweden: I am glad to hear that Sweden today is a country where you fairly often see fathers taking care of the kids during the week. Sweden has the last 20 years changed from favouring mothers regardless of suitability to giving fathers more of an equal chance. I have been away from Sweden for too long to be able to say if Sweden is as fair as Thailand, somehow I doubt it

Canada: From what I hear from friends - close to Sweden now-a-days

It's getting better

In another generation, England and Australia may be as fair toward fathers as Thailand is today even...

Edited August 2, 2011 by MikeyIdea

[MikeyIdea]

I agree in principle with MikeyIdea regarding the Thai court route.

From what I've read in the news here and there, UK family courts tend to respect foreign family court orders. Thai family courts have a reputation for fairness (rulings are usually given in favour of the parent most able to personally provide for the child's well-being and future, regardless of gender). However, the fact that you spend a vast amount of time off-shore might make things a bit sticky. Still worth a go though. As I understand it (happy to be corrected), a Thai court order giving you partial custody would force the UK courts into action, in turn forcing the UK police to act.

About the last sentence I high-lighted in bold: Neither partial or sole custody would force UK courts into action (as such) but a court case in England would certainly start off more favourably. UK courts don't have to consider a Thai court ruling, but they do take in the information. Something as controversial and strong as giving father sole custody would clearly matter for the outcome

[StreetCowboy]

Years ago the German Government contacted me to pay Maintenance for my two children, I proved to them that I was earning under the legal limit required, so did not have to pay a cent.

I would be a little bit embarrassed to admit I was so poor I could not provide for my children

I suppose that is one of the duties? commitments? obligations? responsibilities which we feel are imposed on us, being British

SC

[StreetCowboy]

The vision that the mother is always the best caretaker is outdated and not true nowadays. The courts in most countries make their decisions based on what they think is the best for the child, and if that is staying with the father than that is staying with the father.

Rubbish, in UK, USA, Canada, Australia mother always get child.

Unless mother serious psycho/druggie/prostitute, and even then she have good chance.

Let's face it; anyone that invites the word 'fuc_kwit' is by nature a troll. Without trying to be offensive, would it be unreasonable to ask you to request to be banned?

SC

[OlafStapleton]

Years ago the German Government contacted me to pay Maintenance for my two children, I proved to them that I was earning under the legal limit required, so did not have to pay a cent.

I would be a little bit embarrassed to admit I was so poor I could not provide for my children

I suppose that is one of the duties? commitments? obligations? responsibilities which we feel are imposed on us, being British

If you live in country where pay lowest in world

And children live in country where child raising costs highest in world and ample benefits provided by government.

Why you embarrassed

(especially if children removed from you by court)

IMHO

I will fully pay for any children that live in my house and call me Dad, no matter who father.

Those who live elsewhere can find funding elsewhere. This is fair.

[Mario2008]

A child didn't asked to be born, it's birth is a consequence of the action of the father and that of the mother. Thus it is their responsibility to take care of a child.

[OlafStapleton]

A child didn't asked to be born, it's birth is a consequence of the action of the father and that of the mother. Thus it is their responsibility to take care of a child.

We will have to agree to disagree

I think responsibility of person child live with to take care.

Many woman produce child for free money in west, many woman keep child for free money in west.

Person should look after child because love, not look after child because want free money from someone else.

[StreetCowboy]

A child didn't asked to be born, it's birth is a consequence of the action of the father and that of the mother. Thus it is their responsibility to take care of a child.

We will have to agree to disagree

I think responsibility of person child live with to take care.

Many woman produce child for free money in west, many woman keep child for free money in west.

Person should look after child because love, not look after child because want free money from someone else.

I think people should take care of children because they are the parents. Our feelings one way or another is no reason not to take care of them. It is not a choice, it is an obligation.

If we did not want to take care of children, we should not have fathered them; wrongly fathering children is no reason to commit a second sin of wrongly neglecting them.

Commitments (and responsibilities) are obligations, not options, We are obliged to fulfil them, either willingly or unwillingly

SC