gennisis Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) Was filing my 90 day report and I noticed that on the returned slip my nationality had been written as 'British"........On my application sheet I had put 'English'. I pointed out to the officer that I was English...that being 'British' could mean that I was from Ireland,Scotland or (forbid it) Wales....probably Black,yellow and anything else in between as well. My national flag was the red cross of Saint George... English is what I was born and English was what I would be when dead.....the spirit of Saint George!...not of Saint Patric ... Saint Andrew or Saint David(?) He listened,smiled and handed back the slip.....British !!! I suppose I could have put European?,,,thats what is printed on the passport these days?? YES,I Know my Avatar is the Union Flag....no need to reply and point that out Edited July 27, 2011 by gennisis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 He wasn't incorrect though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkjames Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 He could have just wrote farang (sorry in advance to all for opening this can of worms). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orac Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Do you have an English passport??? Mine states under nationality 'British Citizen' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onionluke Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 What about Briton ? You might be descended from the Britons instead or the Franks or Jutes or Angles or Saxons or god forbid some other Gemanic tribe . But you are probably just a mongrel, but an English mongrel no less . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 He could have just wrote farang (sorry in advance to all for opening this can of worms). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eff1n2ret Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 OP. you were in an Immigration Office. That's where a legalistic view is taken of such matters as nationality, and your nationality is what it says in your passport - British - the same as all the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish presenting themselves for the same process (assuming the latter haven't exercised their right to present an Irish passport instead). It's fine to be proud of your heritage and identity, but no IO gives a flying fart about anything like that, and you're wasting your time trying to make such facile points to them. When I worked on the desk at Heathrow I used to smile at the American tourists who, against the 'Nationality' line on the landing card would put their genealogy - wonderful concoctions like Irish/Jewish/Polish, and so on. And then there were the ones that used to put 'Caucasian', and would get horribly confused when you asked them "What's the weather like in Caucasia at the moment?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 <pointless pedantry> The N. Irish are not British. The passport is for "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland</pointless pedantry> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanyaburi Mac Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 OP. you were in an Immigration Office. That's where a legalistic view is taken of such matters as nationality, and your nationality is what it says in your passport - British - the same as all the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish presenting themselves for the same process (assuming the latter haven't exercised their right to present an Irish passport instead). It's fine to be proud of your heritage and identity, but no IO gives a flying fart about anything like that, and you're wasting your time trying to make such facile points to them. When I worked on the desk at Heathrow I used to smile at the American tourists who, against the 'Nationality' line on the landing card would put their genealogy - wonderful concoctions like Irish/Jewish/Polish, and so on. And then there were the ones that used to put 'Caucasian', and would get horribly confused when you asked them "What's the weather like in Caucasia at the moment?" Ah, but putting "American" could get confused with those folks from the northern cold counties, or even those from the southern locals. Better to just state "USA." Reckon about everything north of Panama might be considered "American" by some people. Mac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orac Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 <pointless pedantry> The N. Irish are not British. The passport is for "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland</pointless pedantry> I can out pedant you there - the legal definition of a British Citizen appears to be someone born in the United Kingdom and not Great Britain or the British Isles. http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/britishcitizenship/othernationality/Britishcitizenship/borninukorqualifyingterritory/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 <pointless pedantry> The N. Irish are not British. The passport is for "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland</pointless pedantry> I can out pedant you there - the legal definition of a British Citizen appears to be someone born in the United Kingdom and not Great Britain or the British Isles. http://www.ukba.home...fyingterritory/ Oooh. I stand corrected and out-pedanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) I once knew a Scotsman whose dislike of the English was such that he refused to recognise he was British. He was a bit of a tool though. Edited July 27, 2011 by Moonrakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtoad Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 <pointless pedantry> The N. Irish are not British. The passport is for "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland</pointless pedantry> I can out pedant you there - the legal definition of a British Citizen appears to be someone born in the United Kingdom and not Great Britain or the British Isles. http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/britishcitizenship/othernationality/Britishcitizenship/borninukorqualifyingterritory/ Isn't it The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 One inflammatory post removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orac Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 <pointless pedantry> The N. Irish are not British. The passport is for "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland</pointless pedantry> I can out pedant you there - the legal definition of a British Citizen appears to be someone born in the United Kingdom and not Great Britain or the British Isles. http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/britishcitizenship/othernationality/Britishcitizenship/borninukorqualifyingterritory/ Isn't it The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland? Indeed it is - but the definition of a British Citizen as far as nationality is concerned uses the United Kingdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Bahh to the naysayers. Though worlds may change and go awry . While there is still one voice to cry There'll always be an England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thongkorn Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I am ploud to be Blitish. I am ENGLISH, not British, And I will Always do put English., Wheres My human rights. Just joking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishken Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) i think you mean northern irish. not irish as we are not british Edited July 27, 2011 by irishken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerfish Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 can anyone tell me, has Brian Blessed ever been to Thailand ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard4849 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 The Thais understand very well the concept of nationality (sanchart) versus ethnicity (cheuachart). The OP confuses the two. He is "sanchart" British but "cheuachart" English. Thai immigration couldn't care less what your "cheuachart" is...it's all about the passport you hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 The Thais understand very well the concept of nationality (sanchart) versus ethnicity (cheuachart). The OP confuses the two. He is "sanchart" British but "cheuachart" English. Thai immigration couldn't care less what your "cheuachart" is...it's all about the passport you hold. Except that British, Irish, Scottish and Welsh are not ethnicities (sp) but nationalities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippybangkok Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Ah, but putting "American" could get confused with those folks from the northern cold counties, or even those from the southern locals. Better to just state "USA." Reckon about everything north of Panama might be considered "American" by some people. Mac Lol, when some of you guy too proudly said American, i used to ask "North or South ?" ? was funny to watch the reaction. ( or even worse, would say "where is that?" with a puzzled look..... hehhee ) I guess you would have to say United States of American with a "n" ? What would be the correct wording ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 can anyone tell me, has Brian Blessed ever been to Thailand ? That would be a sight to behold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard4849 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 The Thais understand very well the concept of nationality (sanchart) versus ethnicity (cheuachart). The OP confuses the two. He is "sanchart" British but "cheuachart" English. Thai immigration couldn't care less what your "cheuachart" is...it's all about the passport you hold. Except that British, Irish, Scottish and Welsh are not ethnicities (sp) but nationalities. So there is such thing as an English, Welsh, and Scottish passport? You can't call it a nationality unless it is an independent nation with its own passport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) The Thais understand very well the concept of nationality (sanchart) versus ethnicity (cheuachart). The OP confuses the two. He is "sanchart" British but "cheuachart" English. Thai immigration couldn't care less what your "cheuachart" is...it's all about the passport you hold. Except that British, Irish, Scottish and Welsh are not ethnicities (sp) but nationalities. So there is such thing as an English, Welsh, and Scottish passport? You can't call it a nationality unless it is an independent nation with its own passport. The English, the Welsh, the Scottish and the Northern& Southern Irish are ALL nationalities in their own right. We just also happen to use a single passport You're not a Brit are you? Edited July 27, 2011 by Moonrakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard4849 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Obviously I am not. But if you all have the same passport, your "sanchart" (nationality) is all the same. You are all nationals of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland -- a sovereign state whose passport holders all share the same nationality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Obviously I am not. But if you all have the same passport, your "sanchart" (nationality) is all the same. You are all nationals of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland -- a sovereign state whose passport holders all share the same nationality. We all share the same nationality yet we also share DIFFERENT nationalities. They are nationalities within nationalities. England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland are all individual COUNTRIES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Obviously I am not. But if you all have the same passport, your "sanchart" (nationality) is all the same. You are all nationals of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland -- a sovereign state whose passport holders all share the same nationality. We all share the same nationality yet we also share DIFFERENT nationalities. They are nationalities within nationalities. England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland are all individual COUNTRIES. Correct. I'm proud to be British....for a wee while longer...I wonder what our new passports will look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard4849 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Until England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland become sovereign, independent states -- with their own passports, diplomatic corps, etc., etc., then your argument is little more than an academic/pedantic one. To the rest of the world, you're all British, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Until England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland become sovereign, independent states -- with their own passports, diplomatic corps, etc., etc., then your argument is little more than an academic/pedantic one. To the rest of the world, you're all British, mate. You really should go to google before you go any further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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