Jatuporn: Businesses Ready To Put Up Bt100M Bail Sureties For Red-Shirts

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Businesses ready to put up bail sureties for Reds: Jatuporn

By The Nation

Jatuporn Promphan, a key red-shirt leader who is also an MP for the ruling Pheu Thai Party, said yesterday that unnamed business people had offered to put up about Bt100 million as bail guarantee for red-shirt supporters who are being detained in connection to last year's unrest and riots.

He said this offer came amid concern there might not be enough Pheu Thai MPs to act as guarantors for some of the 100 red-shirt supporters still in remand.

More than 20 Pheu Thai MPs have travelled to Udon Thani, Ubon Ratchathani, and Khon Kaen to offer themselves as guarantors for the red shirts being detained there. Many of these people were arrested for playing a part in the riots and arson attacks on provincial halls in some North and Northeast provinces after the government cracked down on the rallying crowds in Bangkok in May last year.

Yesterday, Jatuporn reiterated his call for the government to pay Bt10 million in compensation for each of the 91 people killed in last year's unrest. He voiced confidence that his proposal would be made part of the government's urgent policy guidelines to be announced by Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra before Parliament next week.

Meanwhile, former deputy premier Suthep Thaugsuban said yesterday that Pheu Thai MPs providing guarantees to seek bail for the red-shirt detainees proved that the party was closely linked to the red-shirt movement.

In a related report, Democrat MP Sathit Pitutecha yesterday urged the government to think carefully before spending the taxpayer's money on compensation.

-- The Nation 2011-08-18

[Soutpeel]

I wonder who the "unnamed business people are".................mmmm...lets think about that one....who financed the who red shirt movement from the start ?....mmmmmmmmm

"Meanwhile, former deputy premier Suthep Thaugsuban said yesterday that Pheu Thai MPs providing guarantees to seek bail for the red-shirt detainees proved that the party was closely linked to the red-shirt movement"

Well done Shelock Holmes for making that connection......

[whybother]

Why did it take them so long to provide bail?

[slapout]

Guess the 'unnamed businesses' will need to disclose their identity when/if they put up the bond. Part of the Pheu Thai MP's have bond up to keep themselves out of jail, but there should be enough remaining to help their 100 comrades out. Maybe Jatuporn has found his true calling, fund raiser for riot causalities, detainees, and various other like mannered people. He seems to have set the standard for the performance/action of many of them.

[Soutpeel]

Why did it take them so long to provide bail?

Because they were waiting for their money to be returned/unfrozen.....

[Soutpeel]

Guess the 'unnamed businesses' will need to disclose their identity when/if they put up the bond.

It will be a maids or gardeners name I am sure...

[Colin Yai]

Why did it take them so long to provide bail?

Because they were waiting for their money to be returned/unfrozen.....

Elementary Dr Soutpeel!,LOL. Edited August 18, 2011 by Colin Yai

[Deez]

Why did it take them so long to provide bail?

They had to make sure they got their fingers in the pie first by winning the election.

[hammered]

In reality it may well be those businesses that some of the red leaders seem to have a lot of shares in.

There are on the other hand enough businesses that back the reds

[Bkkorupcountry]

In reality it may well be those businesses that some of the red leaders seem to have a lot of shares in.

There are on the other hand enough businesses that back the reds

No no no. This is too simple an answer and has no conspiratorial aspect behind it. Much more likely that invisible and shadowy hands are pulling at the strings.

[hammered]

In reality it may well be those businesses that some of the red leaders seem to have a lot of shares in.

There are on the other hand enough businesses that back the reds

No no no. This is too simple an answer and has no conspiratorial aspect behind it. Much more likely that invisible and shadowy hands are pulling at the strings.

Lol

Too many people dont realise the huge backing the reds not just amongst the northern, central and Isaan poor but also among swathes of the business community and the middle classes and that it is increasing

[scorecard]

Guess the 'unnamed businesses' will need to disclose their identity when/if they put up the bond. Part of the Pheu Thai MP's have bond up to keep themselves out of jail, but there should be enough remaining to help their 100 comrades out. Maybe Jatuporn has found his true calling, fund raiser for riot causalities, detainees, and various other like mannered people. He seems to have set the standard for the performance/action of many of them.

And I guess jatuporn will be calling for / will be the champion of 'no double standards', and be insisting on 10MBAht for all those who died in the various political events /stunts which have occurred over time.

[DP25]

Why did it take them so long to provide bail?

Bail wasn't provided before the election because they needed these people to be imprisoned for propaganda purposes.

[scorecard]

In reality it may well be those businesses that some of the red leaders seem to have a lot of shares in.

There are on the other hand enough businesses that back the reds

No no no. This is too simple an answer and has no conspiratorial aspect behind it. Much more likely that invisible and shadowy hands are pulling at the strings.

Lol

Too many people dont realise the huge backing the reds not just amongst the northern, central and Isaan poor but also among swathes of the business community and the middle classes and that it is increasing

There is no doubt whatever that there are big businesses who would like to see the paymaster back in the PM seat, because they perceive it will be good for business, their business, and big money!

I have one example in my condo in Bkk, a Thai lady who runs a very big construction company, she wants the paymaster back because she believes it will be (for her) an instant return to be favored to win very big contracts. And she's not shy to tell anybody she meets, in Thai or in English, and she also tells all who will listen that she has donated big money to the various red rallies last year. If asked she will forthrightly tell you that her interest is personal - her construction business, and that she is not really interested in the so called 'red cause'. Obviously she would would not be the only example.

I might add that the woman concerned has no respect for anybody, expects the other owners to put up with piles of building materials (for her projects) to be stored in the condo car park etc., even though her company has numerous very large storage sites / offices across Thailand. Condo owners come home to find their car space (part of their chanut) has been filled with steel rebar etc etc. Any attempt to talk with her is futile and just sparks abuse.

I might also add that her eldest son (about 30 years old) has on numerous occasions apologized to numerous other condo owners.

'and increasing' ? Perhaps you'd like to share some details of this claim.

Edited August 18, 2011 by scorecard

[rubl]

Either I missed it, or this newsflash from yesterday 03:32PM got ignored. Still it's topic related, it shows k. Jatuporn's stand on bail, accountability and other things. Mind you if he waves immunity would he be jailed again immediately?

BREAKINGNEWS

Jatuporn to waiver immunity and face lese majeste charge

Published on August 17, 2011

Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn Promphan on Wednesday said he would not invoke his parliamentary immunity after acknowledging offence against the monarchy in connection with his April 2 speech at the red-shirt rally.

Jatuporn said he would report to the Department of Special Investion and sign a consent form to surrender himself tor the legal proceedings without invokving his immunity.

He would also notify the House speaker about his intent not to use the immunity as shield from prosecution.

-- The Nation 2011-08-17

[hammered]

In reality it may well be those businesses that some of the red leaders seem to have a lot of shares in.

There are on the other hand enough businesses that back the reds

No no no. This is too simple an answer and has no conspiratorial aspect behind it. Much more likely that invisible and shadowy hands are pulling at the strings.

Lol

Too many people dont realise the huge backing the reds not just amongst the northern, central and Isaan poor but also among swathes of the business community and the middle classes and that it is increasing

There is no doubt whatever that there are big businesses who would like to see the paymaster back in the PM seat, because they perceive it will be good for business, their business, and big money!

I have one example in my condo in Bkk, a Thai lady who runs a very big construction company, she wants the paymaster back because she believes it will be (for her) an instant return to be favored to win very big contracts. And she's not shy to tell anybody she meets, in Thai or in English, and she also tells all who will listen that she has donated big money to the various red rallies last year. Obviously she is not the only example.

I might add that the woman concerned has no respect for anybody, expects the other owners to put up with piles of building materials (for her projects) to be stored in the condo car park etc., even though her company has numerous very large storage sites / offices across Thailand. Condo owners come home to find their car space (part of their chanut) has been filled with steel rebar etc etc. Any attempt to talk with her is futile and just sparks abuse.

'and increasing' ? Perhaps you'd like to share some details of this claim.

I just posted an example on another thread of red momentum in Chonburi and Bangkok

By the way, the arguement you use of some business people wanting Thaksin back as it was good for their businesses is true but needs to be balanced by all the businesses that want Abhisit/Newin back as it is good for their businesses. No difference in that at all

[noahvail]

Either I missed it, or this newsflash from yesterday 03:32PM got ignored. Still it's topic related, it shows k. Jatuporn's stand on bail, accountability and other things. Mind you if he waves immunity would he be jailed again immediately?

BREAKINGNEWS

Jatuporn to waiver immunity and face lese majeste charge

Published on August 17, 2011

Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn Promphan on Wednesday said he would not invoke his parliamentary immunity after acknowledging offence against the monarchy in connection with his April 2 speech at the red-shirt rally.

Jatuporn said he would report to the Department of Special Investion and sign a consent form to surrender himself tor the legal proceedings without invokving his immunity.

He would also notify the House speaker about his intent not to use the immunity as shield from prosecution.

-- The Nation 2011-08-17

I don't think he would be jailed, because IIRC he's out on bail again.

[rubl]

NATIONAL

9 MPs ready to give up immunity and face charges

By PIYANUCH TAMNUKASETCHAI

THE NATION

Published on August 18, 2011

Nine red-shirt leaders have decided not to exercise their right of parliamentary immunity as MPs when they defend themselves against the charge of attempting to dislodge the monarchy.

Department of Special Investigation (DSI) director-general Tarit Pengdith said he had heard about the red-shirt leaders' decision to not exercise their immunity and appear in front of the investigator to hear the charges.

However, he said the DSI would have to first get the nine MPs to sign a document giving up their right and then pass it on to the House Speaker to get House approval. If the House does not okay their intention, the nine MPs will still be under protection against their will, Tarit said.

Red-shirt leader Jatuporn Promphan said he would ask House Speaker Somsak Kiatsuranont to propose the issue at the House meeting next week. He believes that Pheu Thai MPs, who make up the majority, will agree to the nine leaders' decision to waive immunity. The nine MPs will then join the other 10 red-shirt leaders in facing the investigators and acknowledge their charges.

According to the law, MPs cannot be detained while Parliament is in session.

The nine MPs ready to give up their immunity are Jatuporn, Natthawut Saikua, Karoon Hosakul, Wiphuthalaeng Pattanaphumthai, Weng Tojirakarn, Payap Panket, Kokaew Pikulthong, Vichien Khaokham and Prasit Srichaiya.

-- The Nation 2011-08-18

[OzMick]

In reality it may well be those businesses that some of the red leaders seem to have a lot of shares in.

There are on the other hand enough businesses that back the reds

This is logical - but why did red-shirt Somchai have to spend a year in the can before bail was put up?

[alanferdi]

I wonder who the "unnamed business people are".................mmmm...lets think about that one....who financed the who red shirt movement from the start ?....mmmmmmmmm

"Meanwhile, former deputy premier Suthep Thaugsuban said yesterday that Pheu Thai MPs providing guarantees to seek bail for the red-shirt detainees proved that the party was closely linked to the red-shirt movement"

Well done Shelock Holmes for making that connection......

Yes, if they were put up to the criminality and public disturbance in those riots. Why aren't those who sponsored such rallies coming forward to put in the money to bail them. Cowards!!! It is utter disrespect to the tax payers to pay for the damage that they created and now even set the hooligans free and even compensate them..... How mental can one get in their mathematics?

Edited August 18, 2011 by alanferdi

[rubl]

I wonder who the "unnamed business people are".................mmmm...lets think about that one....who financed the who red shirt movement from the start ?....mmmmmmmmm

"Meanwhile, former deputy premier Suthep Thaugsuban said yesterday that Pheu Thai MPs providing guarantees to seek bail for the red-shirt detainees proved that the party was closely linked to the red-shirt movement"

Well done Shelock Holmes for making that connection......

Yes, if they were put up to the criminality and public disturbance in those riots. Why aren't those who sponsored such rallies coming forward to put in the money to bail them. Cowards!!! It is utter disrespect to the tax payers to pay for the damage that they created and now even set the hooligans free and even compensate them..... How mental can one get in their mathematics?

I have no real problem with granting these people bail especially since they've been incarcerated for more than a year without any process started. They've been charged, that's all.

What I do wonder about though is why all this activity now? The UDD has protested long and frequent under the motto 'free our leaders'. Why this wait for action to help underlings? If I were cynical I'd say, because in the election campaigns it sounded better to have them still in jail

[jdinasia]

What I find interesting is the comparison .....

100+ redshirts in jail since May 2010 ---- still in jail

Money pours in for rescued dogs, 12 million baht in a few days.

I think "the people" have well and truly spoken. Just as the silence of the red shirt leaders over all this time shows their willingness to leave their own comrades rotting in prison.

Edited August 18, 2011 by jdinasia

[hanuman1]

What I find interesting is the comparison .....

100+ redshirts in jail since May 2010 ---- still in jail

Money pours in for rescued dogs, 12 million baht in a few days.

I think "the people" have well and truly spoken. Just as the silence of the red shirt leaders over all this time shows their willingness to leave their own comrades rotting in prison.

Dude, that's the cheapest shot I've seen you make in quite a while although to be fair it does have some comic value. Cheers!

[jdinasia]

What I find interesting is the comparison .....

100+ redshirts in jail since May 2010 ---- still in jail

Money pours in for rescued dogs, 12 million baht in a few days.

I think "the people" have well and truly spoken. Just as the silence of the red shirt leaders over all this time shows their willingness to leave their own comrades rotting in prison.

Dude, that's the cheapest shot I've seen you make in quite a while although to be fair it does have some comic value. Cheers!

"Dude" think about it for awhile ---- then reply again. It is an observation not only about how Thai people think about soi dogs (and we know the general care and attention soi dogs get!) but also how their own leaders value the redshirt lackeys that have been left in jail for so long!

[hanuman1]

What I find interesting is the comparison .....

100+ redshirts in jail since May 2010 ---- still in jail

Money pours in for rescued dogs, 12 million baht in a few days.

I think "the people" have well and truly spoken. Just as the silence of the red shirt leaders over all this time shows their willingness to leave their own comrades rotting in prison.

Dude, that's the cheapest shot I've seen you make in quite a while although to be fair it does have some comic value. Cheers!

"Dude" think about it for awhile ---- then reply again. It is an observation not only about how Thai people think about soi dogs (and we know the general care and attention soi dogs get!) but also how their own leaders value the redshirt lackeys that have been left in jail for so long!

I should have known you were actually going to try and defend your ridiculous comparison of two completely unrelated facts to score a woefully hollow political point here. Anyway, it seems fun. Can I play as well?

Unrelated Fact 1: Around 80-odd red shirt protesters were killed in riots last year

Unrelated Fact 2: Tens, if not hundreds of thousands of cows are slaughtered in Thailand each year

Ridiculous Conclusion: 'The people' of Thailand have a far dimmer view of cows than red shirt protesters.

Do I win? Thought not.

And as for red shirt leaders being silent 'for all this time' about the incarcerated demonstrators, I think you need to read more than the Nation. There have been gatherings organized outside jails around the country and said leaders have often called for their expedient treatment through the legal system. But anyway, I still can't stop guffawing about that utterly blinkered comparison of yours....thanks again!

Edited August 18, 2011 by hanuman1

[whybother]

Another 60 red shirts expected to walk free today

By The Nation

With several court hearings taking place today, Pheu Thai MPs and redshirt leaders said yesterday they were positive that the 60 red shirts on the dock would walk free, especially since four were given bail in Khon Kaen yesterday.

The leaders and lawmakers were also adamant they would fight any efforts made to disband the redshirt villages in the Northeast.

At Khon Kaen court yesterday, a local Pheu Thai Party MP used her position to secure the release of four red shirts under remand for allegedly torching the provincial city hall last year.

A total of 46 people are wanted for the torching of the Khon Kaen City Hall, though only eight were arrested, four of whom were given bail yesterday.

In Ubon Ratchathani, 21 red shirts also detained for allegedly setting ablaze to the town hall were expected to be released today, Pheu Thai partylist MP and redshirt leader Nattawut Saikua said. He added that he would be present at the Criminal Court session held today to consider the temporary release of 30 Bangkokbased red shirts.

In Maha Sarakham, local MPs will also be present at a court hearing today to consider the release of nine red shirts, while a court in Udon Thani will also hear pleas for the release of an unknown number of red shirts.

When asked to comment about redshirt leader Kwanchai Praipana's suggestion that local redshirt villages should be disbanded, an unidentified Pheu Thai MP for Khon Kaen said that would never happen, declaring: "Those who want to disband the villages will be disbanded themselves."

Redshirt protesters will be staging a rally at Ratchaprasong intersection today to mark last year's May 19 crackdown that cost many lives. This will be the first protest under the Yingluck Shinawatra government.

At a press conference in Khon Kaen, a number of local Pheu Thai MPs said that providing guarantees for the release of the red shirts was the right thing to do "because they had fought for democracy" and were "victims of political crimes".

Meanwhile, Justice Minister Pracha Promnok said the Bt10million compensation for families of the 93 people killed in the crackdown last May was a key government policy, adding that this would also apply to members of the antiThaksin People's Alliance for Democracy as well as victims of the South insurgency.

Pracha also dismissed reports about him arranging a meeting with Thaksin onboard a flight to Cambodia. Thaksin was rumoured to be heading to the neighbouring country over the weekend but the plan has since been cancelled.

In a separate report, House Speaker Somsak Kiatsuranont said a meeting would be convened soon to discuss the issue of MPs facing lese majeste charges choosing to give up their parliamentary immunity when facing the Department of Special Investigation.

An independent committee looking into the plight of redshirt detainees called for their immediate release. Panel member and Thammasat University lecturer Puangthong Phawakkhaphan said the six suspects being detained over lese majeste charges should also get assistance.

-- The Nation 2011-08-19

[whybother]

Meanwhile, Justice Minister Pracha Promnok said the Bt10million compensation for families of the 93 people killed in the crackdown last May was a key government policy, adding that this would also apply to members of the antiThaksin People's Alliance for Democracy as well as victims of the South insurgency.

The 10 million baht compensation is now government policy AND it's going to apply to victims in the south!!

[hanuman1]

Meanwhile, Justice Minister Pracha Promnok said the Bt10million compensation for families of the 93 people killed in the crackdown last May was a key government policy, adding that this would also apply to members of the antiThaksin People's Alliance for Democracy as well as victims of the South insurgency.

The 10 million baht compensation is now government policy AND it's going to apply to victims in the south!!

Maybe, just maybe, the PTP efforts at national reconciliation go beyond simply getting Thaksin back. Well I never....

Edited August 19, 2011 by hanuman1

[rubl]

Meanwhile, Justice Minister Pracha Promnok said the Bt10million compensation for families of the 93 people killed in the crackdown last May was a key government policy, adding that this would also apply to members of the antiThaksin People's Alliance for Democracy as well as victims of the South insurgency.

The 10 million baht compensation is now government policy AND it's going to apply to victims in the south!!

Maybe, just maybe, the PTP efforts at national reconciliation go beyond simply getting Thaksin back. Well I never....

PM Ms. Yingluck has agreed and told her cabinet to form a commission to look into it. It will be studied and in due time a report on the matter will be presented.

From 'Yes Minister'

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He paused. For effect, I thought at first, but then he appeared to have more to say on the subject.

"What was the answer?" I asked.

"We're still waiting for it," he explained.

"

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MPs Delay Posting Bail for Red-shirt Members

Relatives of 20 jailed red-shirt supporters have claimed to have been fooled by Pheu Thai MPs who were originally scheduled to seek bail for the inmates.

The MPs changed their mind in the last minute, claiming they will wait for the court's verdict which will be handed down next week.

Some 10 Pheu Thai MPs from lower northeastern provinces decided not to seek bail for 20 red-shirt members jailed for instigating violence, saying some of the defendants could likely be released after the Ubon Ratchathani court delivers its verdict on August 24.

The remark angered relatives of the inmates who lashed out at the Pheu Thai MPs and claimed they had been fooled.

The detained red-shirt supporters were accused of acting in breach of the Emergency Decree by committing offenses such as vandalism and illegal weapons possession.

The last inmate indicted on terrorism charges by the Special Investigation Department has been identified as Phichet Thabudda, or DJ Toi.

Elsewhere in the Northeast, Maha Sarakham Province red-shirt members visited nine jailed protesters at the provincial prison.

The group's lawyer, Kharom Phonthaklang, stated all nine inmates were found guilty in a verdict handed down on December 30, 2010, for involvement in an arson plot.

He group will seek bail for the nine inmates next Monday.

-- Tan Network 2011-08-19