Prove Thai Nationality

[bapak]

In my meager way I am trying to give some advice to a friend.

Situation is this:

Boy born in 1970 at the US Military Hospital in Bangkok

Father US Citizen / Mother Thai

Went to USA as a child and recently returned to Thai with his father and mother.. Mother and son now have US citizenship.

Father and son have entered Thailand on a O Visa.

All intend to remain in Thailand permanently.

Son now wishes to claim Thai Nationality.

Have visited the Ampur that covered the area where the then US Military Hospital was located (believe that this is now the Suhumvit Hospital). Ampur are unable to find any trace of his birth and have issued a letter to this effect.

Has original Cerificates from US Department of State and Department of the Army certificating his birth in Bangkok.

Marriage certificate of parents. Baptismal certificate from RC Church in Udon Thani.

His mother and members of her family prepared to attest details of his birth.

So the question is - where does he go from here to prove his Thai Nationality.

[Mario2008]

Immirgation has a special department that deals with Thai nationalty questions.

But normally all one need is a Thai birth certificate, which he should have but might not have in case of born in a US mlitary hopsital. At least there is an official record of his birth. trace.

There was a similair case more than a year ago, you might want to search for that thread.

If there is no Thai record, the US military might have records of his birth. If no evidence can be found, a DNA test will confirm who his other is and the only thing that is needed is to proof his mother was Thai upon his birth.

Do realize that the mother is still Thai or if she is not, she can regain Thai nationality.

[bapak]

Immirgation has a special department that deals with Thai nationalty questions.

But normally all one need is a Thai birth certificate, which he should have but might not have in case of born in a US mlitary hopsital. At least there is an official record of his birth. trace.

There was a similair case more than a year ago, you might want to search for that thread.

If there is no Thai record, the US military might have records of his birth. If no evidence can be found, a DNA test will confirm who his other is and the only thing that is needed is to proof his mother was Thai upon his birth.

Do realize that the mother is still Thai or if she is not, she can regain Thai nationality.

Does not have a Thai Birth Certificate and no record at Amphur. But does have original Birth Cerificates from US Department of State and Department of the Army certificating his birth in Bangkok.

Will search for previous tread.. Did look earlier but could not find.

[Mario2008]

His US certificate will go a long way, but the ultimate proof might be a DNA test that shows who his mother is. And that is all that is needed to proof one is Thai.

Another line of inquiry might be the Thai Ministry of foreign Afffairs, consular section. They will have probably dealt with this subject before. http://www.consular.go.th/ (Thai only)

It is not an unique situation.

[Mario2008]

Found the thread: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/337391-half-thai-is-it-possible-to-apply-for-citizenshippassport-once-in-thailand/page__view__findpost__p__3361848

[lopburi3]

I would also contact US Embassy ACS as suspect they have handled such cases and know the procedures. Also JUSMAGTHAI might also be a source of knowledge.

Also members of VFW, Bangkok may have knowledge.

[bapak]

Thanks, Guys.. you have been most helpful.

[samran]

check out this guys blog

http://www.thaiskale.com/journal/applying-for-a-thai-passport-the-siamericans-final-dual-nationality-hurdle/

believe he had to go through a DNA test at some point.

you'll need to dig through the blog, but I recall the process is laid out somewhere there...

[sburdic]

BaPak,

The situation you described is eerily similar to my case:

* Born in 1970 at US Military Hospital in Bangkok

* Father was US Citizen / Mother Thai

* Was brought to Thailand as an infant on US passport, and never registered with the Amphur, I only seem to have been registered with the US Embassy in BKK

* Mother now has US Citizenship and has regained her Thai Citizenship

I have been trying to document my Thai nationality for a couple of years now. I live in the US and can only attempt to resolve my situation a few weeks per year.

I'll be trying again in early October.

The resources I will have in tow:

* Mother and her Thai ID card and her passport (probably the most important item)

* Interview notes from the Amphur Boss lady (she interviewed my family regarding my relationship with them last time I was there)

* Parents original Thai marriage certificate from 1969

* Original US Passport I used to travel to the US on

* FS-240 original issued in 1970 by the US Embassy in BKK

* FS-240 re-issued in 2010 authenticated by Dept of State and legalized by the Consulate in L.A.

* DS-1350 issued 2010 authenticated by Dept of State and legalized by the Consulate in L.A.

* Parents divorce certificate from the USA - authenticated by DoS, and legalized by the Consulate in DC

* Still trying to get a certified divorce decree (this might be useful since is disallowed me from leaving the US without my father's permission, which he would never have granted)

* My school transcripts from the USA - authenticated by DoS, and legalized by the Consulate in DC

I've had my wife call the fine folks at immigration, and they tell me that it's not a problem. They're going to interview my mother and I, probably send us for a DNA test and when that comes back as positively matching they'll provide me with some document (not sure what that'll be though). Once I receive that take it to the Amphur, and somehow they'll issue me a birth certificate or just add me into cental registration. I can't seem to get a straight answer about what happens when once the DNA test comes back, so I hope that is what will happen.

I've attached a document (I can't remember where I got it from that seems to say what the procedure is, and what to have available when you need to prove nationality, or citizenship). Hopefully it is applicable to our situations.

I'm particularly interested in 1 document which your friend seems to have gotten. You describe it as a document that shows the Amphur is unable to locate a birth document for him. Can you describe this document? I've had my family look for any trace of my birth as well, and nobody can seem to find anything. Maybe this would be good to have for me as well.

I have the phone number of immigration contact that my wife has been consulting with. I'd be happy to provide it to you if PM me, and share any info you find out.

Best of luck to your friend.

Document to Prove Citizenship.pdf

[samran]

thanks sburdic,

a valuable document.

[bapak]

thanks sburdic,

a valuable document.

From some inquiries I have made in last two days, the process may not be as difficult as first thought.

Will respond further when I have absolute reliable info.