E85 In Thailand? What'S The Deal With This Fuel?

[katabeachbum]

Nice that some have make analysis by part number But if you want fact read below:

Different parts for a E85 with 5-cyl car sold in Thailand.

- ECM Software (calaculate etanol % and adapt amount of fuel, ingnition, and also treasure values depends on % etanol for MIL-On)

- Intake / Exhaust valves (harder, normal used for gas car, due to less lubrication when drive on E85)

- Valve seat (See above)

- Injectors (larger capacitet)

- Fuel lines different material due to E85 more aggresive. (cost more, therfore not applied on all cars)

- Seals in fuelsystem (rubber, teflon).

- Changed service interval (20 000 to 10 000 Km due to water content in etanol, which can case engine sludge "water in oil")

Queit strange that a hobby guy knows more than people worked at Powertrain R&D and car manufactures who spend hugh amount of money to secure quality and legal demands with testing in there tests and development.

Have a nice day!

car maker is Volvo, a company in Thailand who sells some cars only E10 compatible as they dont want a bad reputation claiming E20 compability to save 50k baht/unit in taxes

didnt know about the head/valve seats. thanks for accurate info stjp8729

oh modified your post slightly, as the quote was not MRO but another poster promoting E85 use in non E85 compatible cars in TH

[HAL9000]

All have raised legitimate concerns, and while comments were made sincerely with good intent, without documentation, the statements remain anecdotal and subject to error.

For example, are we really sure replacement parts carry the exact same part number? I've been working with the parts fiche for a 1974 VW Dasher recently, and I can see for one model year there are three separate part numbers for manual transmission shift sticks and two for automatic transmission. There are alloy wheels available in two different styles which each have their own part number. In other series of parts, I see minor changes represented by the same part number but with sometimes several differing alpha suffixes as the part evolved. Is it possible other manufacturers are not as diligent as VW in designating the variations in their parts supply? It certainly is. But I know that if I was traveling and damaged a wheel on a road hazard and went to car dealer to replace it, I would be very upset if they ordered the part number for my wheel, but the replacement didn't match mine. So it's hard to imagine the manufacturers being so sloppy in their part numbers. Yes, it is possible that in this world of the Peter Principle that this is simply a failure of imagination.

Is Hyundai really that much better than other brands? That would disappoint people who feel that their Toyotas and Hondas are fine pieces of automotive engineering. The Thai market is dominated by Japanese brands, and those people have a lot of pride in their quality. Do you think they would tolerate Thai suppliers providing substandard parts and ruining their reputations? We all think of Thailand as being backwards in many ways, but chances are good your computer's hard drive is made in Thailand. Thailand is capable of producing modern equipment up to spec. Why would a quality Japanese, or European, or whoever that is not emerging like Proton, automaker accept supplies of rubbers that have not been used for 30 years in the US market?

Then talk of valves and valve seats is just fantasy. Why would a change in fuel have any effect whatsoever? If anything, ethanol is gentler on engines. Brazil has been using ethanol long enough now that reports are coming back of engines lasting 2 to 3 times longer than gasoline engines because of ethanol's lower combustion temperature and less violent combustion explosions. You might need to change your valves and seats if you changed your fuel to nuclear fission.

[katabeachbum]

All have raised legitimate concerns, and while comments were made sincerely with good intent, without documentation, the statements remain anecdotal and subject to error.

For example, are we really sure replacement parts carry the exact same part number? I've been working with the parts fiche for a 1974 VW Dasher recently, and I can see for one model year there are three separate part numbers for manual transmission shift sticks and two for automatic transmission. There are alloy wheels available in two different styles which each have their own part number. In other series of parts, I see minor changes represented by the same part number but with sometimes several differing alpha suffixes as the part evolved. Is it possible other manufacturers are not as diligent as VW in designating the variations in their parts supply? It certainly is. But I know that if I was traveling and damaged a wheel on a road hazard and went to car dealer to replace it, I would be very upset if they ordered the part number for my wheel, but the replacement didn't match mine. So it's hard to imagine the manufacturers being so sloppy in their part numbers. Yes, it is possible that in this world of the Peter Principle that this is simply a failure of imagination.

Is Hyundai really that much better than other brands? That would disappoint people who feel that their Toyotas and Hondas are fine pieces of automotive engineering. The Thai market is dominated by Japanese brands, and those people have a lot of pride in their quality. Do you think they would tolerate Thai suppliers providing substandard parts and ruining their reputations? We all think of Thailand as being backwards in many ways, but chances are good your computer's hard drive is made in Thailand. Thailand is capable of producing modern equipment up to spec. Why would a quality Japanese, or European, or whoever that is not emerging like Proton, automaker accept supplies of rubbers that have not been used for 30 years in the US market?

Then talk of valves and valve seats is just fantasy. Why would a change in fuel have any effect whatsoever? If anything, ethanol is gentler on engines. Brazil has been using ethanol long enough now that reports are coming back of engines lasting 2 to 3 times longer than gasoline engines because of ethanol's lower combustion temperature and less violent combustion explosions. You might need to change your valves and seats if you changed your fuel to nuclear fission.

valves and seats for ethanol, cause petrol lubes while ethanol does not

again. any car supplier in TH able to warranty their product for 3 years/100k km running E85 would do so immediately, as it would reduce excietaxes paid on sale significantly.

the TH list remains short, captiva 2,4 since june 2011, volvo 2,5 Ft for a couple of years, and mitsu ex 1,8. Note, all these makers have several other models not E85 compatible

just as the list in Brasil was very short at introduction of ethanol early 70s, VW beetle and Ford Escort

the japs cars ethanol compatible in Th are NOT ethanol compatible to same extent in japan

[HAL9000]

Lubrication of valves and seats is largely a function of fuel additives, not the fuel itself. Propane and CNG conversion users have the same issue.

I should also mention that my inlaws have been using gasohol in their 1995 Toyota Corolla for years without issues.

[katabeachbum]

Lubrication of valves and seats is largely a function of fuel additives, not the fuel itself. Propane and CNG conversion users have the same issue.

I should also mention that my inlaws have been using gasohol in their 1995 Toyota Corolla for years without issues.

ethanol provides same or lower combustion temp than petrol(as sold by petrolstations including additives). as it is very aggressive, harder valves and seats are needed. according to car makers

LPG provides higher combustion temp, and CNG even higher, so harder valves and seats needed for 2 reasons, lack of lube in fuel and higher temp. according to car makers

happy your inlaws relatives corolla has survived. E20 has been available in Th for a few years, E10 since 2006. one car able to survive does not make this model ethanol compatible. TH altis corolla is according to Toyota E10 since 2006, E20 since 2008

toyota Th does have one car modified to run CNG, so valves and heads updated, but it is not E85 compatible, so ECU and fuel line not updated for E85, only E20

[aussiebebe]

Hi everyone,

I saw a local company selling E85 conversion kits for THB7,500 - has anyone got a link to a map showing where E85 is sold in Thailand at present? I found a google map from 2010 but realize things may have changed.

cheers,

[katabeachbum]

Hi everyone,

I saw a local company selling E85 conversion kits for THB7,500 - has anyone got a link to a map showing where E85 is sold in Thailand at present? I found a google map from 2010 but realize things may have changed.

cheers,

google ptt e85 map

the e85 convertion kits usually dont do much except for making engine keep running on fuel its not made for, fuelsystem (pump and valves and gaskets) and engine still cant survive

[yannic]

since I got the new Captiva I wanted to test the E85 fuel but I just can't find any E85 gasoline station. I mean I googled E85 gas station Thailand and checked there website. I live close to Emporium on Sukhumvit and the nearest I found was at Sukhumvit Soi 64 but when I drove there with my bike to check it out I came to the refinery and not a gasoline station. The gas station with E85 was on the expressway I saw it while while driving over the bridge. But don't know how to get there. And also I don't want to go on the expressway just to get E85. Then there seems to be one in Din Daeng on Phahon Yothin but I did not check it out yet. And I guess it will take a long time to driver there.

Anyone aware of an E85 gassoline station not to far away from Emporium Soi 24 area?

Thanks

[katabeachbum]

since I got the new Captiva I wanted to test the E85 fuel but I just can't find any E85 gasoline station. I mean I googled E85 gas station Thailand and checked there website. I live close to Emporium on Sukhumvit and the nearest I found was at Sukhumvit Soi 64 but when I drove there with my bike to check it out I came to the refinery and not a gasoline station. The gas station with E85 was on the expressway I saw it while while driving over the bridge. But don't know how to get there. And also I don't want to go on the expressway just to get E85. Then there seems to be one in Din Daeng on Phahon Yothin but I did not check it out yet. And I guess it will take a long time to driver there.

Anyone aware of an E85 gassoline station not to far away from Emporium Soi 24 area?

Thanks

just read Ptt has opend one in Phuket, airport highway north of herions monument, and of course this is 2 months after I dropped buying Mitsu Ex or Volvo S60 due to lack of E85 in Phuket

bit far from Emporium S24 I guess

Ptt needs to update their info on both NGV/CNG and E85.

[yannic]

just read Ptt has opend one in Phuket, airport highway north of herions monument, and of course this is 2 months after I dropped buying Mitsu Ex or Volvo S60 due to lack of E85 in Phuket

bit far from Emporium S24 I guess

Ptt needs to update their info on both NGV/CNG and E85.

at least if I come down to Phuket, I know that I will be able to gas up with E85 LOL.

Anyone else know of an E85 in BKK Sukhumvit area?

Edited January 19, 2012 by yannic

[aussiebebe]

Hi everyone,

I saw a local company selling E85 conversion kits for THB7,500 - has anyone got a link to a map showing where E85 is sold in Thailand at present? I found a google map from 2010 but realize things may have changed.

cheers,

google ptt e85 map

the e85 convertion kits usually dont do much except for making engine keep running on fuel its not made for, fuelsystem (pump and valves and gaskets) and engine still cant survive

Thanks for the advice - I went round to the company today and you're right, the 'kit' doesn't contain anything that would help the engine run on E85, it just plugs into the ECU and then has things that you plug the fuel injectors into. Plus there aren't any stations near me anyway. On well!

[katabeachbum]

Hi everyone,

I saw a local company selling E85 conversion kits for THB7,500 - has anyone got a link to a map showing where E85 is sold in Thailand at present? I found a google map from 2010 but realize things may have changed.

cheers,

google ptt e85 map

the e85 convertion kits usually dont do much except for making engine keep running on fuel its not made for, fuelsystem (pump and valves and gaskets) and engine still cant survive

Thanks for the advice - I went round to the company today and you're right, the 'kit' doesn't contain anything that would help the engine run on E85, it just plugs into the ECU and then has things that you plug the fuel injectors into. Plus there aren't any stations near me anyway. On well!

basicly it just increases fuel amount, as more fuel is needed running E85, if not engine stalls at idle and lacks power at revs