Israeli ministers meet to discuss Israel-Turkey crisis

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Israeli ministers meet to discuss Israel-Turkey crisis

2011-09-15 01:09:06 GMT+7 (ICT)

JERUSALEM (BNO NEWS) -- Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday convened a meeting of his eight senior ministers to discuss the crisis with Turkey and its plans to launch a legal campaign against Israel, the Haaretz newspaper reported.

The heads of the intelligence community and the Foreign Ministry will gave the ministers a briefing regarding potential scenarios if the situation continues to escalate. Senior Foreign Ministry officials also recommended steps to reduce the tension, but details from the meeting were not immediately disclosed.

The eight cabinet members were also expected to discuss the possibility that Turkey would take legal action against the Israeli soldiers who were involved in the flotilla operation. Netanyahu, however, has said that he wants to avoid an escalation, adding that common sense and cooler calculations would prevail on both sides.

Tensions have risen between both countries since the 2010 Gaza flotilla raid and Israel's constant refusal to apologize regarding the incident in which nine pro-Palestinian activists were killed. Last Thursday, Turkish and Israeli senior diplomats left their respective embassies as the two countries officially downgraded their political ties.

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet DavutoÄŸlu had previously announced that Israel's ambassador and senior diplomats had been expelled from the country. The announcement was made as Israel has refused to apologize and issue compensations for the families of those killed during the Gaza flotilla raid, as well as end its blockade of Palestinians residing in Gaza.

A UN report released on September 2 concluded that the naval blockade complied with the international law. However, it also stated that Israel's decision to board the vessels with "such substantial force at a great distance from the blockade zone and with no final warning immediately prior to the boarding was excessive and unreasonable."

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[johna]

"Netanyahu, however, has said that he wants to avoid an escalation, adding that common sense and cooler calculations would prevail on both sides."

Pity you didn't exercise this option in 2010

[Steely Dan]

"Netanyahu, however, has said that he wants to avoid an escalation, adding that common sense and cooler calculations would prevail on both sides."

Pity you didn't exercise this option in 2010

Pity Turkey was directly complicit in allowing armed extremists in attempting to break a legal blockade. Erdogan is exhibiting sham outrage, he got exactly what he was seeking - a pretext with which to carry out a vendetta against Israel.

[uptheos]

"Netanyahu, however, has said that he wants to avoid an escalation, adding that common sense and cooler calculations would prevail on both sides."

Pity you didn't exercise this option in 2010

Quite right!

When you're being beaten with iron bars, stabbed and tossed overboard, you should sit down and have tea and cookies together.

[Scott]

I have tried to re-format some posts with increased font. Please use the default font. Other posts will be deleted.

[Jingthing]

Whether WG's rant gets deleted or not, I feel there is no point in even trying to have a rational discussion with such a blatant antisemite. It's a black hole. Such people are out there, always have been, always will be. At least seeing such vile hate out in the open lets people know Jews who want a strong defense aren't being paranoid, the threat is real. More videos? Sure!

Edited September 15, 2011 by Jingthing

[Steely Dan]

Whether WG's rant gets deleted or not, I feel there is no point in even trying to have a rational discussion with such a blatant antisemite. It's a black hole. Such people are out there, always have been, always will be. More videos? Sure!

Well done for not stooping to his loathsome level, I had to withdraw what I wrote but he should be banned.

[Scott]

This topic is about Israel and Turkey. Please stick to the topic.

Numerous posts deleted.

[geriatrickid]

Sometimes when I read the over the top posts that spew hate, I wonder if other readers recoil in disgust like me.

[Scott]

Yes, I do.

[Steely Dan]

One thing seems decided, closer military ties with Greece allowing Israeli jets to be based there. As I suspected Israeli-Cypriot oil exploration is what this spat is all about.

http://www.debka.com/article/21301/

Israel and Greece have invoked the mutual defense pact they signed secretly only 12 days ago in the light of heavy Turkish sea and air movements in the eastern Mediterranean. debkafile's sources report that this was decided in a long nocturnal phone conversation Wednesday night Sept. 14 between the Israeli and Greek prime ministers, Binyamin Netanyahu and George Papandreou, and at Israel's expanded cabinet of eight, which was called into session over the Turkish threat to its off-shore oil and gas rigs.

[JemJem]

Let's hope common sense will prevail and Turkey-Israel relations will go back to being normal.

But, does Erdogan have common sense ?

Jem

[Scott]

One off-topic anti-Jewish remark has been removed.

[Pedzie]

Let's hope common sense will prevail and Turkey-Israel relations will go back to being normal.

But, does Erdogan have common sense ?

Jem

Does Netanyahu or the Israeli government have any sense?

Israel appears to revel in stirring up anti-Israeli sentiment with it's neighbours

[Steely Dan]

Let's hope common sense will prevail and Turkey-Israel relations will go back to being normal.

But, does Erdogan have common sense ?

Jem

Does Netanyahu or the Israeli government have any sense?

Israel appears to revel in stirring up anti-Israeli sentiment with it's neighbours

How can you stir something up which was always boiling and actively looking for an excuse to erupt? Israel kept a really low profile during the so called Arab spring but to no avail due to Islamic extremists and their leftard allies doing all they could to embroil Israel.

[johna]

"Netanyahu, however, has said that he wants to avoid an escalation, adding that common sense and cooler calculations would prevail on both sides."

Pity you didn't exercise this option in 2010

Quite right!

When you're being beaten with iron bars, stabbed and tossed overboard, you should sit down and have tea and cookies together.

The Israeli troops were attacked after the boarded the ships in International waters ( 75 miles offshore)

The crews of the flotilla fought back in self defense, 19 of them were murdered and more than 30 injured.

Perhaps you could tell us how many Israelis were killed and injured?

[Steely Dan]

The Israeli troops were attacked after the boarded the ships in International waters ( 75 miles offshore)

The crews of the flotilla fought back in self defense, 19 of them were murdered and more than 30 injured.

Perhaps you could tell us how many Israelis were killed and injured?

You have a strange idea of what self defense means, not to mention 9 were killed not 19, but don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

[flying]

Not to say that video is not a valid video of events but it must also be noted that only one side has been allowed to show video.

Because the other side had all of their video confiscated.

Secondly was this flotilla boarded 75 miles off shore? I had read it was 60 to 72 miles offshore the boarding occurred.....

But still small discrepancies aside............

What is the legal police line radius of the blockade ?

I thought it was 12-20 miles?

In either case a far cry from the boarding if it occurred at 60-72 miles out.

If these things are true then what was the justification of the boarding at that distance which would be international waters in the first place?

If these things are true it explains a previous news report of a Turkish Military ship accompanying the next

flotilla within international waters.

Edited September 17, 2011 by flying

[Steely Dan]

Not to say this video is not a valid video of events but it must also be noted that only one side has been allowed to show video.

Because the other side had all of their video confiscated.

Secondly was this flotilla boarded 75 miles off shore? I had read 60 to 72 miles offshore the boarding occurred.....

What is the legal police line radius of the blockade ?

I thought it was 12-20 miles?

In either case a far cry from the boarding if it occurred at 60-72 miles out.

If these things are true then what was the justification of the boarding at that distance which would be international waters in the first place?

If these things are true it explains a previous news report of a Turkish Military ship accompanying the next

flotilla within international waters.

If you want to trace this back to root cause Erdogan knowingly allowed a boatload of extremists who were armed leave from a Turkish port in order to try and break a blockade deemed legal by the U.N in support of a known terrorist organization called Hamas. Incidentally Hamas activists sailed with the flotilla so the link was easily verifiable.

[flying]

If you want to trace this back to root cause Erdogan knowingly allowed a boatload of extremists who were armed leave from a Turkish port in order to try and break a blockade deemed legal by the U.N in support of a known terrorist organization called Hamas. Incidentally Hamas activists sailed with the flotilla so the link was easily verifiable.

Come now.......I have heard that whine more than once now.

I would think if Erdogan wanted to send armed extremist he would have done a bit better than arming them with plastic chairs & utility objects at hand.

No....I tend to think that it was pretty blatant & obvious what the outcome was caused by.

Your American?

If so perhaps your understanding nature remembers a similar incident?

I guess this man now making a memorial service is at risk?

If harm should befall him.. Is Obama to later be blamed for allowing it too?

In any case an interesting read of something similar...

Even this US Naval skipper wanted a destroyer escort at the time....to travel through INTERNATIONAL waters

Yet the US commanders said.....negative they would never fire on a US Naval vessel.

Also note in both the USS Liberty case & the Turkish flotilla case Israel did this without issuing any NOTMARS closing the area.

(Not that it is theirs to close in the first place)

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/16/texas-man-making-dangerous-voyage-to-site-of-1967-israeli-attack-on-the-uss-liberty/

Edited September 17, 2011 by flying

[geriatrickid]

Let's hope common sense will prevail and Turkey-Israel relations will go back to being normal.

But, does Erdogan have common sense ?

Jem

Does Netanyahu or the Israeli government have any sense?

Israel appears to revel in stirring up anti-Israeli sentiment with it's neighbours

Good grief. Events have spiraled out of control in the ME. Look around. , There's a nutter in Iran, a despot trying to stay in power in Syria killing more people on any given day than the Israelis killed in armed conflicts with Syria in the past 2 decades, there's civil strife in Jordan, a simmering civil war in Iraq, near civil war in Yemen, turmoil in Egypt, instability throughout North Africa, a civil war in Libya, civil unrest in Bahrain and now there's Erdogan portraying himself as the next Nasser.

I really don't think Israel needs to stir up anything. It's surrounded by madness.

[geriatrickid]

If you want to trace this back to root cause Erdogan knowingly allowed a boatload of extremists who were armed leave from a Turkish port in order to try and break a blockade deemed legal by the U.N in support of a known terrorist organization called Hamas. Incidentally Hamas activists sailed with the flotilla so the link was easily verifiable.

Come now.......I have heard that whine more than once now.

I would think if Erdogan wanted to send armed extremist he would have done a bit better than arming them with plastic chairs & utility objects at hand.

No....I tend to think that it was pretty blatant & obvious what the outcome was caused by.

Your American?

If so perhaps your understanding nature remembers a similar incident?

I guess this man now making a memorial service is at risk?

If harm should befall him.. Is Obama to later be blamed for allowing it too?

In any case an interesting read of something similar...

Even this US Naval skipper wanted a destroyer escort at the time....to travel through INTERNATIONAL waters

Yet the US commanders said.....negative they would never fire on a US Naval vessel.

Also note in both the USS Liberty case & the Turkish flotilla case Israel did this without issuing any NOTMARS closing the area.

(Not that it is theirs to close in the first place)

http://www.veteranst...he-uss-liberty/

Ahh, the old canard of the USS Liberty. Get a grip. Do you know what friendly fire is? This has been going on ever since man decided that violent warfare was a solution to problems. Need an example? Go here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_fire

This has been going on ever since man decided that war was an option. Need some examples? Go look here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_fire

[flying]

Ahh, the old canard of the USS Liberty. Get a grip. Do you know what friendly fire is?

:lol:

Yeah friendly fire that lasted how long? On a US vessel that flew the US flag??

I know they call some apologist but surely you can do better than friendly fire eh?

There was nothing friendly about either events.

The attack remains "the only maritime incident in U.S. history where [u.S.] military forces were killed that was never investigated by the [u.S.] Congress."

Since you appear to like Wiki?...(I dont)

here is a wiki for you too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

That aside it was in reference to this topic at hand.

Both are clearly conducted outside the limits of the blockade

Both were conducted without issuing any NOTMARS closing the area.

Edited September 17, 2011 by flying

[Pakboong]

If you want to trace this back to root cause Erdogan knowingly allowed a boatload of extremists who were armed leave from a Turkish port in order to try and break a blockade deemed legal by the U.N in support of a known terrorist organization called Hamas. Incidentally Hamas activists sailed with the flotilla so the link was easily verifiable.

Come now.......I have heard that whine more than once now.

I would think if Erdogan wanted to send armed extremist he would have done a bit better than arming them with plastic chairs & utility objects at hand.

No....I tend to think that it was pretty blatant & obvious what the outcome was caused by.

Your American?

If so perhaps your understanding nature remembers a similar incident?

I guess this man now making a memorial service is at risk?

If harm should befall him.. Is Obama to later be blamed for allowing it too?

In any case an interesting read of something similar...

Even this US Naval skipper wanted a destroyer escort at the time....to travel through INTERNATIONAL waters

Yet the US commanders said.....negative they would never fire on a US Naval vessel.

Also note in both the USS Liberty case & the Turkish flotilla case Israel did this without issuing any NOTMARS closing the area.

(Not that it is theirs to close in the first place)

http://www.veteranst...he-uss-liberty/

Ahh, the old canard of the USS Liberty. Get a grip. Do you know what friendly fire is? This has been going on ever since man decided that violent warfare was a solution to problems. Need an example? Go here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_fire

This has been going on ever since man decided that war was an option. Need some examples? Go look here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_fire

Ahh yes, the Liberty.

* Immediately preceding the attack, an Israeli pilot recognized Liberty as a U.S. ship and radioed this information to IDF headquarters. He was instructed to attack anyway. This dialogue was intercepted at the U.S. embassy in Beirut. Former U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon Dwight Porter revealed the existence of this intercept in 1991.

[Jingthing]

USS Liberty. USS Schmiberty. That was long ago and it means NOTHING today, except to tin foil hat wearing isolationist Ron Paul groupies and their ilk. Even if Israel bombed Chevy Chase Maryland 40 years ago, it has nothing to do with the current and long standing close friendship between the United States and Israel.

Next ...

[flying]

USS Liberty. USS Schmiberty.

yeah we know...truth hurts

None brought up friendship between the US & Israel....Freudian slip?

That aside...As was pointed out a few posts back the Liberty incident was brought up to show both precedent & that it is not the first time the Israeli's have taken it upon themselves to stray outside of their *declared* territory/blockade & attack. Without warning/NOTMARS closing the area.

(also as mentioned earlier ...not that they have any right to close an area)

So next 2?

Edited September 17, 2011 by flying

[Pakboong]

USS Liberty. USS Schmiberty. That was long ago and it means NOTHING today, except to tin foil hat wearing isolationist Ron Paul groupies and their ilk. Even if Israel bombed Chevy Chase Maryland 40 years ago, it has nothing to do with the current and long standing close friendship between the United States and Israel.

Next ...

Actually, it has a great deal to do with today. There is no hard evidence of it being an accident but there is evidence that the US was complicit.

Why they would be complicit in 1967 is a mystery to me.

Edited September 17, 2011 by Pakboong

[Jingthing]

What truth hurts? I don't doubt the Liberty incident is of ACADEMIC interest to some people, but as a a propaganda meme to convince Americans that Israel is their enemy, it is an EPIC FAIL.

I am sure the 2 percent of Americans who support nihilist libertarian Ron Paul though would love to hear about it some more, ad nauseum.

Edited September 17, 2011 by Jingthing

[flying]

Why they would be complicit in 1967 is a mystery to me.

I have a hunch you know why

Same yesterday/Same today

[flying]

What truth hurts? I don't doubt the Liberty incident is of ACADEMIC interest to some people, but as a a propaganda meme to convince Americans that Israel is their enemy, it is an EPIC FAIL.

Either your reading comprehension is poor or you would like to deliberately derail another thread.

Not unlike your constant references to Ron Paul??? Has he posted in this thread too?

Try to stay on topic &

Read this 2x..........It is not now or ever was a matter of US/Israeli relations

It was mentioned to point out precedent of Israel to police waters that are not part of their blockade or territory...PERIOD

Edited September 17, 2011 by flying