soalbundy Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Just now, bannork said: I heard that about farangs,ฝรั่งแก่เร็วแต่ตายช้า not true we are all hansum and long lived until murdered 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, soalbundy said: not true we are all hansum and long lived until murdered ... or at least until the house is paid off, and then it is a case of "Don't need the man...": ไม่ต้องการผู้ชาย (...anymore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Just now, tifino said: ... or at least until the house is paid off, and then it is a case of "Don't need the man...": ไม่ต้องการผู้ชาย (...anymore) that's universal, nobody loves you when you are old and grey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, soalbundy said: that's universal, nobody loves you when you are old and grey yeah, but 'love' is just an alibi... a means to an ends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgeezer Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Speak for yourself! Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgeezer Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Speak for yourself! Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgeezer Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 หนุ่มใหญ่ means middle aged I'm surprised you missed ล้มกลิ่ง fall off, roll oversent flying works imo เสย crashed into (perhaps with a sense of loss of control) unlike some accidents where drivers just crash into each other รถชนI used เฉี่ยว today; my drive was hooked so I ร้องเรียกว่า ลูกใหม่ลูกใหม่ to be told อยู่แล้ว Apparently the ball had bounced off a tree into the fairway. I tried ลูกเฮี่ยวต้นไม้หรือ and it seemed to be understood. My caddy is used to being used as a teacher. I asked whether a motorbike could ล้มกลี่ง and he came back with ล้มกลิ้ง I suggested ไม้เอก and he said no, ไม้โท้ ! I won't forget that! Both a person and a motorbike can ล้มกลิ้ง in his opinion. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgeezer Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Here is another verb similar to the last one เงยหน้าอ้าปาก (raise head open mouth) There are two variation given ลืมหน้าอ้าปาก ลืมตาอ้าปาก There is a definition but this example from longdo explains it too. นโบายของรัฐบาลไม่ได้ทำให้เกษตรกรผู้ยากไร้ของเราเงยหน้าอ้าปากขึ้นมาได้ Government policy doesn’t allow us hard up farmers to open our mouths and look people in the eye. Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 1 hour ago, tgeezer said: Here is another verb similar to the last one เงยหน้าอ้าปาก (raise head open mouth) There are two variation given ลืมหน้าอ้าปาก ลืมตาอ้าปาก There is a definition but this example from longdo explains it too. นโบายของรัฐบาลไม่ได้ทำให้เกษตรกรผู้ยากไร้ของเราเงยหน้าอ้าปากขึ้นมาได้ Government policy doesn’t allow us hard up farmers to open our mouths and look people in the eye. Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Nice one tgeezer, 3 idioms in one as it were. เงยหน้า can also be translated as look upwards so perhaps the sentence you translated could also be translated as: Government policy doesn't allow our farmers to hold their heads up and look people in the eye. I think the writer is not a farmer, if he was he might have written พวกเรา rather than ของเรา I've often heard อ้าปาก open-mouthed, when teacher tells a kid off for sitting or standing, seemingly absent minded, with his mouth open Then you have อ้าปากค้าง a variation, mouth agape, to my thinking ค้าง which can mean stuck or unfinished, adds a sense of the person slightly stunned, shocked, fascinated or perhaps horrified by what they see. The crowd stood there, mouths agape at the grisly scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidHouston Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) เราควรเปิดประเทศของเราให้คนต่างด้าวได้มีโอกาสเงยหน้าอ้าปากในชีวิต We should open up our country for foreign persons to have an opportunity to improve their lives. คนส่วนหนึ่งมองว่า พ.ต.ท. ทักษิณดี เก่ง ทำให้ประชาชนเงยหน้าอ้าปาก A portion of the population believed that Colonel Thaksin was good and intelligent and improved the lives of the people. Edited January 26, 2019 by DavidHouston 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgeezer Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 I agree with you in interpretation, I left in open mouth because it addresses the cultural aspect of talking out of turn, I am reading มารยาทไทย now, if a series called ชุดสืบสานวัฒนธรรมไทย so manners are uppermost in my mind. Although I guessed เงยหน้า in context (การยืนตาอหน้าผู้ใหญ่) I was looking up, (no pun intended) เงย when I found this verb. Does it seem odd to you that a Thai verb can be a clause? P.S. Agree พวกเรา means us. Is เกษตรกรไทยพวกเรา how it is said or เราเกษตรกรไทย ? Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgeezer Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 เราควรเปิดประเทศของเราให้คนต่างด้าวได้มีโอกาสเงยหน้าอ้าปากในชีวิต We should open up our country for foreign persons to have an opportunity to improve their lives. คนส่วนหนึ่งมองว่า พ.ต.ท. ทักษิณดี เก่ง ทำให้ประชาชนเงยหน้าอ้าปาก A portion of the population believed that Colonel Thaksin was good and intelligent and improved the lives of the people.Thanks, I think that the subject must be of low status for this verb to be applied. So the foreigners are probably from Burma or Laos. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgeezer Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 And bannock I forgot the other important point ค้าง In the definition of เสย I think that it was เรือเสยตลิ่งค้าง if not there it was certainly somewhere showing a static state. อ้าปากค้าง longer than decent. Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 เรือเสยตลิ่งค้าง I reckon that means the boat was beached or grounded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgeezer Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 I apologise ค้าง isn’t in the definition of เสย, perhaps that isn’t surprising but we both see how it might well be, I am including you in this bannock! From ค้าง > เรือค้างแห้ง . Dictionaries are not the best means of learning a language I know but I have found the RID interesting. Often I am told that it is out of date, to me that means that people are not using it! Take that definition ก. เหลือกหรืออ่าแล้วเอาลงหรือหุบไม่ได้ Can you see ไม่ได้ as unable? If it is it can only be temporarily. Roll the pupils upward or open (?) then bring them down or close-can not. I think that ไม่ได้ makes the action involuntary. What do you think? Another point, speaking; I had a Thai read that definition just now and when I heard อ้า I was struck by how badly I had been pronouncing it. My อ้า was too short but it wasn’t mentioned until I brought it up! That lack of fluency is due to a lack of formal reading practise so perhaps now is the time to spend some money on a teacher. Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 เรือค้างแห้ง could that be in dry dock? เหลือกหรืออ่าแล้วเอาลงหรือหุบไม่ได้ jeez tgeezer this looks strange I think อ่า has no meaning here or it connects to หรือ so it forms a question the speaker maybe asking themselves but with แล้ว maybe it's like 2nd conditional- if I rolled my eyes...? If I rolled my eyes I wouldn't be able to lower or close them again. Where did you get this from?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgeezer Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 It's from the RID def. of ค้าง I thought that it was where you got อ้าปากค้าง . Since you queried it I have just looked in the hard copy and it is the same. I have figured it out now I think. Separate meaning of ค้าง referring to facial expressions, so เหลือกหรืออ้า should read rolling (specialised word of eyes) or opening. เข่นตาค้าง rolling eyes อ้าปากค้าง mouth open (agape) ขากรรนไกร jaw open (dropped) Confused by อ้าปากค้าง rather than ปากค้าง . This is the problem lexicographers have, they have to do their best to explain the mess that people make of the language. I look forward to getting home and consulting my 2424 edition of the dictionary which may be different. Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgeezer Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Sorry I can see that it may be confusing to some. เช่น = eg. ขากรรไกร = jaw Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becker Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Could anyone please post the Thai version of these proverbs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 36 minutes ago, Becker said: Could anyone please post the Thai version of these proverbs? ตำน้ำพริกละลายแม่น้ำ or ขี่ช้างจับตั๊กแตน ride an elephant to catch a grasshopper น้ําขึ้นให้รีบตัก when the water rises, hurry to fill up the buckets ปลาเน่าตัาเดียวเหม็นหมดทั้งข้อง one rotten apple spoils the whole barrel I don't think there are Thai idioms for the last two but you could translate them as below: ความไม่รู้ดีกว่า ignorance is bliss It's the early bird that catches the worm บุคคลที่เริ่มต้นก่อน หรือบุคคลที่เตรียมพร้อมมากกว่า ย่อมมีโอกาสประสบความสำเร็จมากกว่า Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becker Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 54 minutes ago, bannork said: ตำน้ำพริกละลายแม่น้ำ or ขี่ช้างจับตั๊กแตน ride an elephant to catch a grasshopper น้ําขึ้นให้รีบตัก when the water rises, hurry to fill up the buckets ปลาเน่าตัาเดียวเหม็นหมดทั้งข้อง one rotten apple spoils the whole barrel I don't think there are Thai idioms for the last two but you could translate them as below: ความไม่รู้ดีกว่า ignorance is bliss It's the early bird that catches the worm บุคคลที่เริ่มต้นก่อน หรือบุคคลที่เตรียมพร้อมมากกว่า ย่อมมีโอกาสประสบความสำเร็จมากกว่า Thanks, you wouldn't happen to have the transliteration as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidHouston Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 มาก่อนได้ก่อน ("The early bird catches the worm.") (Tempered by, "The second mouse gets the cheese.") 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 ตำน้ำพริกละลายแม่น้ำ or ขี่ช้างจับตั๊กแตน ride an elephant to catch a grasshopper น้ําขึ้นให้รีบตัก when the water rises, hurry to fill up the buckets ปลาเน่าตัาเดียวเหม็นหมดทั้งข้อง one rotten apple spoils the whole barrel I don't think there are Thai idioms for the last two but you could translate them as below: ความไม่รู้ดีกว่า ignorance is bliss It's the early bird that catches the worm บุคคลที่เริ่มต้นก่อน หรือบุคคลที่เตรียมพร้อมมากกว่า ย่อมมีโอกาสประสบความสำเร็จมากกว่า มาก่อนได้ก่อน On 2/1/2019 at 1:01 PM, Becker said: Thanks, you wouldn't happen to have the transliteration as well? The tones won't be indicated so you might not be understood but here goes- Dum nam prik la lie mare nam key chang jup dtak a dtaen nam keun hi reeb duk bla nao dtua deeow men mot tang kong kwam my roo dee kwa and then David's brilliant and to the point quote- (come first get first) - ma gone die gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgeezer Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 I have something for The Early bird.... " ตืนเช้าได้เงินหลาย ตืนสายได้เงินน้อย I am told it is equivalent although it seems to me to be too prosaic to be a saying. Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2702 Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Haam - don't Monnng bi kang nah Look in the direction you walk Attebai - explain Mei muangan- not the same Klaigan- similar Tongpai- straight ahead Menn- bad smell Homm- smells good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgeezer Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 There is a problem, I can’t reply to Rc2702 because although I ca guess phonetics I can’t write phonetics. Is post 1108 a Thai saying or phrase? Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgeezer Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 bannock, “Ignorance is bliss.” He doesn’t know that his wife is cheating on him, but she is a good wife in other respects! What do you think of ไม่รู้เรื่องก็สบายใจ ? Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 2 hours ago, tgeezer said: bannock, “Ignorance is bliss.” He doesn’t know that his wife is cheating on him, but she is a good wife in other respects! What do you think of ไม่รู้เรื่องก็สบายใจ ? I think ไม่รู้จะดีกว่่า maybe more common. Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgeezer Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 I think that you may be right because I made up mine up! I have just asked : ไม่รับรู้จะดีกว่า Out of interest I looked it up ignorance in my Oxford River Books Eng.- Thai and it gives the explanation ;~ is bliss ไม่รู้เสียได้สบายใจดี and I take it from the previous explanation of ; keep sb. in ~ of sth. ปล่อยให้ ค.น. ไม่รู้เรื่อง ส.น. that if I want to use เรือง I have to specify something. Of course I realise that because the expressions are English., these are not what people are necessarily going to say. For those who don’t realise it, in these definitions; ~ represents the nounsb. somebody = ค.น. คนใดคนหนึ่ง sth. something = ส.น. สิ่งใดสิ่งหนึ่ง Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 ไม่รับรู้จะดีกว่า yes, that's the exact phrase I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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