The Govt Should Think Before It Opens Its Mouth: Thai Opinion

[phiphidon]

Just another Nation op ed lump

They didn't seem to say these things when yellow nutters got Thailand in a border incident - a made up incident for domestic politics which then spiraled out of control and cost peoples lives.

Why the concern now?

With the previous government theNation also questioned about campaign promises which is the OP

"Populist promises made during the election campaign either cannot be fulfilled and will have to be reneged on, or will create long-term damage"

This is not about PM Hun Sen helping his eternal friend k. Thaksin and stopping as soon as hisher government was in place.

"This is not about PM Hun Sen helping his eternal friend k. Thaksin and stopping as soon as hisher government was in place."

Still pushing that old chestnut Rubl, Hun Sen and Thaksin plot war to win election? Few problems with that scenario, It was not decided that there would be an election on July 3rd until its announcement on May 9th 2011. First border skirmishes this year started on February 4th and the final ceasefire was agreed on the 4th May, before the election had even been announced.Or do you seriously think they picked an abritary period of skirmishes as they knew the election would likely be in July?

[timekeeper]

when is the next election supposed to take place ?

expect an election next year

my thinking on this is as follows

this government i simply a vehicle to get everything in place for Thaksins return

its like a fore runner government

they will tread water and potter along without doing anything to radical to cause a serious protest or a coup

the overall plan is to do very little, transfer Thaksin sympathizers into the top spots and create a needy atmosphere for a real leader to run Thailand

after Thaksins return and the five year ban has elapsed, he and the other 100+ banned thai rak thai politicians will be free to run again

a new Thaksin led party will emerge, the PM will call an election, Phua Thai in its current form will lose, the new party will win by a landslide, no coalition with anyone will be needed

the current reds will be voted out in favour of Thaksins cronies by the people

Thaksin and the voters will have legitimately ditched the red MP's who brought him home and his guys will take their spots in the new order

reds are unhappy but what can they say? they were voted out buy their own red people in favopur of Thaksins real politicians

thaksins happy, he wins by a true landslide, everyone is where they are supposed to be already under this silent coup that's taking place right now

thaksin and all his mates will be rich(er) in six months.

the red menace will be disbanded through lack of funding as they are not needed now as Thaksin has got his own better equipped army back

the reds will go back to picking rice, being treated like mushrooms and left wondering what happened

the Thaksin dynasty runs forever and ever and ever..........

Edited September 23, 2011 by timekeeper

[rubl]

Just another Nation op ed lump

They didn't seem to say these things when yellow nutters got Thailand in a border incident - a made up incident for domestic politics which then spiraled out of control and cost peoples lives.

Why the concern now?

With the previous government theNation also questioned about campaign promises which is the OP

"Populist promises made during the election campaign either cannot be fulfilled and will have to be reneged on, or will create long-term damage"

This is not about PM Hun Sen helping his eternal friend k. Thaksin and stopping as soon as hisher government was in place.

"This is not about PM Hun Sen helping his eternal friend k. Thaksin and stopping as soon as hisher government was in place."

Still pushing that old chestnut Rubl, Hun Sen and Thaksin plot war to win election? Few problems with that scenario, It was not decided that there would be an election on July 3rd until its announcement on May 9th 2011. First border skirmishes this year started on February 4th and the final ceasefire was agreed on the 4th May, before the election had even been announced.Or do you seriously think they picked an abritary period of skirmishes as they knew the election would likely be in July?

Still playing around here? I reacted on a remark of dear member LomSak27, that's all. I clearly indicated this OP is not about PM Hun Sen as reaction to 'yellow nutters got Thailand in a border incident' which is also off topic.

The border skirmishes and who started seems a bit unclear, even though for some it seems clear the Thai started. It's about the disputed border area which the ICJ hasn't said much about yet. The Preah Vihear temple seems Cambodian clear enough, but the 4.6sq.kms around it. Consensus gives about 75% Thai, 25% Cambodian. Anyway the moment a Thai soldier sets foot in this area the Cambodian come with ""We said to them, 'Don't come in the area,' and they still came. We fired into the air and they began to shoot at us," said a Cambodian government spokesman, Khieu Kanharith.".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/04/thailand-cambodia-border-clash

The elections were known to be before halfway the year, The house dissolution took a bit longer than expected, lack of quorum a few times. Election had to be within 45 - 60 days.

Anyway, this government has a very great helper in the eternal friend of PM Hun Sen. I refer to k. Thaksin of course, the brain of Pheu Thai, (non)advisor of the PM Yingluck, commentator on economics for the Cambodian government, puppet master, etc., etc. What till he's back, we won't need to comment of theNation drivel then. They'll either be sued into submission, or out of existence. Press freedom, as some call it, remember?

[yoshiwara]

Thaksin lies, so one policy pushed yesterday is so much confetti the day after. He does not pay government ministers their 'tip' in order to think. However, as ministers they must maintain the illusion of thinking about the implementation of policy so tend to put foot in mouth, the result of which is currently a 'retreat' from 'bold' statements. Yingluck will be getting increasingly uncomfortable as she is asked 'are you the PM or not?' and do you have to 'phone a friend' when you get up in the morning? The problem for the Thaksin crowd is to answer the question why Thaksin does not request a pardon. (I am guilty, please forgive me) and how they are going to negotiate the label of convictions being political when they are largely financial money laundering convictions. Maybe they can phone phone the family chauffeur for advice.

[Buchholz]

"This is not about PM Hun Sen helping his eternal friend k. Thaksin and stopping as soon as hisher government was in place."

Still pushing that old chestnut Rubl, Hun Sen and Thaksin plot war to win election? Few problems with that scenario, It was not decided that there would be an election on July 3rd until its announcement on May 9th 2011. First border skirmishes this year started on February 4th and the final ceasefire was agreed on the 4th May, before the election had even been announced.Or do you seriously think they picked an abritary period of skirmishes as they knew the election would likely be in July?

Still playing around here? I reacted on a remark of dear member LomSak27, that's all. I clearly indicated this OP is not about PM Hun Sen as reaction to 'yellow nutters got Thailand in a border incident' which is also off topic.

The border skirmishes and who started seems a bit unclear, even though for some it seems clear the Thai started. It's about the disputed border area which the ICJ hasn't said much about yet. The Preah Vihear temple seems Cambodian clear enough, but the 4.6sq.kms around it. Consensus gives about 75% Thai, 25% Cambodian. Anyway the moment a Thai soldier sets foot in this area the Cambodian come with ""We said to them, 'Don't come in the area,' and they still came. We fired into the air and they began to shoot at us," said a Cambodian government spokesman, Khieu Kanharith.".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/04/thailand-cambodia-border-clash

The elections were known to be before halfway the year, The house dissolution took a bit longer than expected, lack of quorum a few times. Election had to be within 45 - 60 days.

Anyway, this government has a very great helper in the eternal friend of PM Hun Sen. I refer to k. Thaksin of course, the brain of Pheu Thai, (non)advisor of the PM Yingluck, commentator on economics for the Cambodian government, puppet master, etc., etc.

One of those "etc." is saved for Thailand's Railway Consultant

In an interview with The Nation, Deputy Transportation Minister Chatt conceded that he is close to former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

He said he was repeatedly urged to oversee railway improvement after having consulted with Thaksin upon assuming his ministerial post.

Cambodia's Economic Adviser and now Thailand's Railway Consultant... he does it all.

[animatic]

So many troll posts, so little time.

Edited September 23, 2011 by animatic

[rubl]

deleted, wrong topic, sorry

Edited September 23, 2011 by rubl

[phiphidon]

Still pushing that old chestnut Rubl, Hun Sen and Thaksin plot war to win election? Few problems with that scenario, It was not decided that there would be an election on July 3rd until its announcement on May 9th 2011. First border skirmishes this year started on February 4th and the final ceasefire was agreed on the 4th May, before the election had even been announced.Or do you seriously think they picked an abritary period of skirmishes as they knew the election would likely be in July?

Still playing around here? I reacted on a remark of dear member LomSak27, that's all. I clearly indicated this OP is not about PM Hun Sen as reaction to 'yellow nutters got Thailand in a border incident' which is also off topic.

The border skirmishes and who started seems a bit unclear, even though for some it seems clear the Thai started. It's about the disputed border area which the ICJ hasn't said much about yet. The Preah Vihear temple seems Cambodian clear enough, but the 4.6sq.kms around it. Consensus gives about 75% Thai, 25% Cambodian. Anyway the moment a Thai soldier sets foot in this area the Cambodian come with ""We said to them, 'Don't come in the area,' and they still came. We fired into the air and they began to shoot at us," said a Cambodian government spokesman, Khieu Kanharith.".

http://www.guardian....ia-border-clash

The elections were known to be before halfway the year, The house dissolution took a bit longer than expected, lack of quorum a few times. Election had to be within 45 - 60 days.

Anyway, this government has a very great helper in the eternal friend of PM Hun Sen. I refer to k. Thaksin of course, the brain of Pheu Thai, (non)advisor of the PM Yingluck, commentator on economics for the Cambodian government, puppet master, etc., etc. What till he's back, we won't need to comment of theNation drivel then. They'll either be sued into submission, or out of existence. Press freedom, as some call it, remember?

Not playing around Rubl. Just pointing out a few flaws in your statement about "Hun Sen helping his eternal friend K Thaksin and stopping as soon as hisher gov was in place". This is the way that misrepresentations become fact in some impressionable peoples eyes, there's enough examples of that on here already, on both sides of the equation.Oh and the Nation held off all Thaksins attempts to close it down, which probably could explain their negative impression of him, if not their lousy editing and frequent non stories. Press freedom hit its Nadir during the Abhisit years, remember?

[nurofiend]

can i just ask, cos i genuinely don't know... when was the last time in this country that a government fulfilled all it's general election promises? ... as it was pointed out by someone here, it's illegal not to

and quite obviously i mean people who were voted in by the people of thailand.

As opposed to voted in by the Thai army?

All MPs are voted in by the people, either direct (constituency) or indirect (party list). Those MPs elect a PM.

Now back to the commercials 'Thaksin thinks, Pheu Thai acts', 'one man, one party, no compromise', the clone / puppet has spoken.

don't play the fool, you know exactly what he meant.... the people of thailand didn't vote the democrat party in after the coup

[kimamey]

Unfortunately its the ignorance and gullible voters lack of education that is to blame. The real problem is the lack of education among the poor. And its just how the politicians like it because they can sell the uneducated anything.

Ah here we are: What you are saying is that the poor are too stupid to vote and therefore they should not be allowed to vote, right?

Maybe we should apply that in the US or the UK, too, what do you think? Believe there are very stupid people over there, too! One was even elected president two times!

I think what Deez is trying to say is that lack of education among the poor allows politicians to offer promises that are not achievable but pray on their desire for a better life for themselves. If they were provided with better education they would be better able to understand the pros and cons of the policies that were offered.

Of course there are voters who don't understand these things in all countries but these are far outweighed by those that do. Maybe in Thailand those that don't understand are more of an influence.

If you look at the UK as an example in the last election the party with the most votes (although not a majority) was the one that offered the harshest policies.