700 Nigerians In Thai Prisons, Others Dead

[scorpio]

why dont police just tighten the visa resrictions for nigerians then ? its not being racist , they shift the visa goalposts regular with farangs so why not africans ?

Edited October 6, 2011 by scorpio

[renaissanc]

My initial feeling about Nigerians being arrested on trumped-up charges is that they are probably telling the truth. If you're Nigerian you are automatically considered to be a scammer,

even if you are not. I expect that there are more than a few in prison who are innocent. When 3 very senior government officials from Ghana came to visit us in Bangkok 3 months ago, the police stopped them on Sukhumvit Road and wouldn't let them go easily. They were black and probably considered to be "bad" people.

[Sinsod1]

Wow. Where do I start?

• First I am a black American living in Thailand. Let's get that out of the way first.

• The fact of the matter is it is an absolute joke for anyone to accuse any particular group of rampant wrongdoing of any type in Thailand. For all intents and purposes Thailand is lawless. The law can be bought here. The Nigerians here are not doing anything the Thais are not already doing. Do you really believe Thais(that is the illegal activities element) would allow Africans or anyone else to profit from illicit activities and they are not? For those of us that live here we know that Thais in one way or another are receiving ill gotten gains from these Nigerians and their illegal activities here. The Thai police are at the top of that list. Just look at the gambling den scandal. It was "discovered" that the Thai police not only knew about the gambling dens but were protecting them, participating in activities at the gambling dens and receiving ill gotten gains from the dens. Its the same with everything here-prostitution, gun running, human trafficking- at the end of the day a Thai is controlling it and making money from it. These Africans are making such a small amount no doubt and are handing the bulk of those ill gotten gains back to their Thai handlers. It does not make their activities moral or legal. Its just the facts behind it.

• Lets look at the leak in the dam so to speak. How are these Nigerians getting here? They are not walking like some drug traffickers do when they cross from Tijuana, Mexico into San Ysidro California. They are stepping off of airplanes. And Thailand is letting them in. That is a fact. If you see a 20 year old Nigerian arriving at the airport from a West African country who has never had a stamp in his passport and is carrying one bag I think it is fair to ask him what hotel he is staying in etc. In the USA immigration will do the same if they spot irregularities. Its not racist-it makes sense to do that. Right wrong or indifferent American is flooded with drug traffickers (though they usually are not stupid enough to try and bring it into the country on airplanes) and persons intent on terrorist activities. People who fit certain profiles should be asked what are they going to do while they are in Thailand. It is fair to ask for a hotel reservation or a return ticket. Thailand has to protect its sovereignty just like America does. But guess what? Either because of ineptness, laziness, ignorance or because they are on the take they allow these West Africans into Thailand through the airports. They can stop the foolishness at Suvarnabhumi. But they are not doing it.

• Further on that subject I have not know a single African in Thailand with a work permit. How and why does that matter? When Thailand grants these Africans visa extensions to stay in the country they are encouraging them to stay! These men (and some women) can't get work permits. No Thai company will here them for sure and they can't teach English because it is not their mother tongue and the EP programs have poor views of them at the schools from what I am told. So if they are staying here long term with no work permit you know what they are doing. And the Thai government knows as well. And yes some of them are here illegally. But I have also met some that have extension after extension in their passports.

• After being here a very long time I can tell you that not once has a Thai thought I was an African. Not once. But do you know who has (on three occasions)? The Thai police. And in what area? Sukhumvit. The funny thing was when they stopped me and asked for my "papers" (for a moment I thought I was a spy in a WW2 film and the Germans were checking my papers) they heard my American English and as I laughed at them and showed them my copy of my work permit, visa and passport along with my Florida drivers license they quickly said I could go. In fact before I could even get it all out of my wallet they said "its ok we thought you were African". I asked them how did they know I was African?. Their response? A dumbfound look of "I don't know but I know I look stupid now so I am going to walk away". I didn't get angry (but in my own country I would have because we have some semblance of law and order) but tried to explain to them that if Barack Obama was walking down the street would you think he is African? I got a good laugh out of that. Why did the police really stop me though? Read on.

• For you non persons of colors out there let me make you aware of some things you don't know. First have you ever seen an African in a taxi in Bangkok? I bet you have not and if you did he/she was probably black American, Black Englishmen etc. Africans don't use taxis not because they cant afford it (after all they are all drug dealers so they have money(I am being sarcastic)) but because of the police checkpoints particularly at night. And its not the fact the police are stopping them and asking them for their papers. The police are shaking them down. Thats what they are doing. Not only that but I know for a fact that police around Asok BTS escalator is famous for shaking down Africans who are walking along Sukhumvit anytime of the day or night. The police stopped me hoping I was carrying money and they would simply take it from me (if I had been an African). The Africans know that thus they avoid taxis and take the bus because the police don't stop buses. Again to my earlier points-the Thais allow them here, know what they are doing, and then continue to support their presence and benefit from it.

• Again for you non persons of color-a black American can 90% of the time look at an African and know he is African and vice versa. Believe me we can tell. And the fact is the black Americans here not only dislike the Africans greatly but we avoid them all together. And the Africans avoid us as well. We can't stand them. The black American women I know here particular dislike the men and their touchy feely as they walk down the street. Why do you ask (I know some of you racist are saying we are all alike") that black Americans don' tlike them? For the same reasons everyone else does. They are drug dealing vermin and should be removed. Any man should be able to walk around anywhere without being molested by some African fool trying to sell you drugs that we all know for sure destroy peoples lives. In addition it makes non blacks think that all blacks in Bangkok are doing the same thing. That is what I personally dislike them. Now again I have never been thought of as an African and Thais have always treated me with kindness especially after they found out I was American. But lets face it-most Thais know Tiger Woods mother is Thai and they know at least who Michael Jackson, Michael Jordan and Barack Obama is. So their image of black Americans is not tarnished but these Africans are making me stay in Thailand difficult at times.

• And the problem is not isolated to Thailand. It has spread to China! I was in Beijing and the number of Africans there was a shock to me. And they are up to the same illegal activities there. You would think with the Chinese with their zero tolerance of foreigners acting stupid and drugs they would end the problem in a snap. Not so. In fact check out Youtube and type "blacks riot in China". You will see most of them are in China illegally and although the video does not mention drugs rest assured these men are not sidewalk chicken sandwich vendors! And two years ago an African women was sentenced to death in China for drug smuggling but she was sentenced to life because the UK government intervened on her behalf to get her life in prison because she was pregnant.

• The influx of Africans in Thailand in particular and Asia in general will not stop. Why? China. China is aggressively pursuing every resource it can on the African continent. As a nation they are the largest investor in Africa-over 100 billion dollars a year! As a result of this massive investment and trading it has drawn Africans to Asia-the good ones and the bad ones. So no matter what you want these Africans are not going anywhere one way or the other. Africas resources are needed frankly because the resources everywhere else has dried up or the West controls.
• It is sad to see so many obvious racists on this board. Drugs a social and not a racial problem. In different parts of America different groups control the drug trade including the Irish in Boston, Puerto Ricans in the Bronx, Mexicans in Southern California and even Russians in New Jersey. For you racists it is sad you cannot accept the fact that the majority of the world is brown and not white. Barack Obama is the most powerful man on the planet earth. That is a fact. Look just open your mind a little and realize its not all white. If you truly want to discuss who causes trouble and mayhem think of this-I have never seen any black Army invade China; or a Chinese Army invade Mexico. It has always been Anglo-Saxons raining terror on other peoples. And for you racists who believe your skin color makes you superior-the Chinese are coming on the world stage in a economic and military way that the world has not seen since American at the end of WW2. And the Chinese don't like me OR YOU. Now don't get me wrong-I am a red blooded American and believe in our causes and actions for the most part. But historically speaking we all know Timbuktu had lighted streets when London was still a village. We are all on the same planet people. As Rodney King said-"can't we all get along"?

The bottom line is the influx of drug dealing Africans will stop when the Thais take real steps to end it. That means ending corruption, ignorance and more. And we all know that will not happen anytime soon.

I wish I had a cute Andy Rooney type one liner to end my post but I will just say we will all miss you Andy Rooney!

You the proud American-black..stop clearifying your position or making the kettle lighter than the pot...

check your facts out too...the young Girl was caught in Laos not China.....Your write-up doesn't make you any different in color, You will still be looked at the same way...Lots of Africans and Nigerians with work permit...I can show you some of them if you so desire..

First it is universally known as Black American. Not American black

Second the women I was talking about was not a young girl she was a middle aged women and she was caught in China. And my write up, had you bothered to read it completely rather than replying with a poorly written, grammar lacking tirade, you would have seen that 90% of my post was explaining much of the situation surrounding the Africans here and was not American centric. And I would love to know what industry Africans are working in where there are lots of work permits for them in Thailand.

And you are wrong about being looked at the same way. That is what you want the readers of this board to believe to support whatever subliminal message you are trying to convey to the members of this board. How can you possibly know how a black man is looked at if you are not black yourself and have experienced it so you can tell what the experience is? Perhaps you are the same person who told Koreans at the beginning of the Korean War that black soldiers had tails. I see your angle with your post and it is disheartening.

Fact is I know a great deal more about this situation than you do if for no other reason than I am a person of color and we hear things that non persons of color will not . After all I am a American Black Seriously though you are permitted your own opinion-well in my country anyway (that by the way is run by an American black

Edited October 6, 2011 by Sinsod1

[xtof2]

700 in jail ???

A few hundreds more on Sukhumvit who should be thrown there too.

[puntmeister]

please dont take this wrong we have lots of nigeras in ireland the country is now f@@ked so its time to send them home they ruined the country with help from goverment do gooders half come from uk on weekend to drive taxis and rob and rape not real hole car copied so i think now this is me not thai visa me only.they should me tatooed with a number on there heads they will leave quickly, i know barred again.asians at least work so do most of the human do to,keep africa for africans

Are you sure you are from Ireland?

Is Galic your native language?

[HardenedSoul]

Sinsod, your common-sense approach won't work on the bigots. The truth is that most of them prefer the warm blanket of anonymity that the internet affords to the risk they would face were they to express their opinions face-to-face to ANY black person let alone one fresh from the African continent.

As a youngster on the streets of Notting Hill - before and after it became gentrified - I have fond memories of personally helping to dispatch many a National Front racist to the intensive care unit over at St. Mary's hospital in Paddington and I would have no qualms whatsoever about doing the same here.

As a black Briton living in the Asoke area for 4 years, I can say that I get stopped by the Feds far, FAR less on Sukhumvit than I did in on the streets of Ladbroke Grove. Thais are not racist; they are merely ignorant but, once they see you're well-presented and polite, they treat you better than they do the whites. Any trepidation they may feel when first encountering a black person is akin to that experienced by Westerners when encountering a traditonally-dressed Middle Eastern Muslim at an airport. Both have been told by the media that Blacks and Muslims "can present a problem"

Happiness is not an absence of problems; in fact, it is having the ability to deal with problems with vigour and confidence. Having dealt with racism in many forms in my life, I consider myself a better, stronger person for it.

Peace

[puntmeister]

All very well said. A much appreciated post. It is no doubt the case that Thai police/immigration/policy makers are guilty of allowing, perpetuating, enabling,

and encouraging the influx of criminal elements.

However, you do come across a bit as painting black Americans as superior to black Africans.

"So their image of black Americans is not tarnished but these Africans are making me stay in Thailand difficult at times."

I have lived much of my life in Washington DC. There, the opposite gripe can often be heard - black Africans, typically well educated, complain about

the negative perception they recieve due to the antics of black Americans.

FWIW - in my experience, black Africans generally consider themselves superior to blacks from the Americas (not just the US, but all of North/South America). A (black) sociology

professor once explained this phenomenon: apparently it results from arrogance over the fact that blacks from the Americas are decendants of slaves (which, somehow, justifies black Africans looking

down upon them). Ugly, but, from my experience, true.

Wow. Where do I start?

• First I am a black American living in Thailand. Let's get that out of the way first.

• The fact of the matter is it is an absolute joke for anyone to accuse any particular group of rampant wrongdoing of any type in Thailand. For all intents and purposes Thailand is lawless. The law can be bought here. The Nigerians here are not doing anything the Thais are not already doing. Do you really believe Thais(that is the illegal activities element) would allow Africans or anyone else to profit from illicit activities and they are not? For those of us that live here we know that Thais in one way or another are receiving ill gotten gains from these Nigerians and their illegal activities here. The Thai police are at the top of that list. Just look at the gambling den scandal. It was "discovered" that the Thai police not only knew about the gambling dens but were protecting them, participating in activities at the gambling dens and receiving ill gotten gains from the dens. Its the same with everything here-prostitution, gun running, human trafficking- at the end of the day a Thai is controlling it and making money from it. These Africans are making such a small amount no doubt and are handing the bulk of those ill gotten gains back to their Thai handlers. It does not make their activities moral or legal. Its just the facts behind it.

• Lets look at the leak in the dam so to speak. How are these Nigerians getting here? They are not walking like some drug traffickers do when they cross from Tijuana, Mexico into San Ysidro California. They are stepping off of airplanes. And Thailand is letting them in. That is a fact. If you see a 20 year old Nigerian arriving at the airport from a West African country who has never had a stamp in his passport and is carrying one bag I think it is fair to ask him what hotel he is staying in etc. In the USA immigration will do the same if they spot irregularities. Its not racist-it makes sense to do that. Right wrong or indifferent American is flooded with drug traffickers (though they usually are not stupid enough to try and bring it into the country on airplanes) and persons intent on terrorist activities. People who fit certain profiles should be asked what are they going to do while they are in Thailand. It is fair to ask for a hotel reservation or a return ticket. Thailand has to protect its sovereignty just like America does. But guess what? Either because of ineptness, laziness, ignorance or because they are on the take they allow these West Africans into Thailand through the airports. They can stop the foolishness at Suvarnabhumi. But they are not doing it.

• Further on that subject I have not know a single African in Thailand with a work permit. How and why does that matter? When Thailand grants these Africans visa extensions to stay in the country they are encouraging them to stay! These men (and some women) can't get work permits. No Thai company will here them for sure and they can't teach English because it is not their mother tongue and the EP programs have poor views of them at the schools from what I am told. So if they are staying here long term with no work permit you know what they are doing. And the Thai government knows as well. And yes some of them are here illegally. But I have also met some that have extension after extension in their passports.

• After being here a very long time I can tell you that not once has a Thai thought I was an African. Not once. But do you know who has (on three occasions)? The Thai police. And in what area? Sukhumvit. The funny thing was when they stopped me and asked for my "papers" (for a moment I thought I was a spy in a WW2 film and the Germans were checking my papers) they heard my American English and as I laughed at them and showed them my copy of my work permit, visa and passport along with my Florida drivers license they quickly said I could go. In fact before I could even get it all out of my wallet they said "its ok we thought you were African". I asked them how did they know I was African?. Their response? A dumbfound look of "I don't know but I know I look stupid now so I am going to walk away". I didn't get angry (but in my own country I would have because we have some semblance of law and order) but tried to explain to them that if Barack Obama was walking down the street would you think he is African? I got a good laugh out of that. Why did the police really stop me though? Read on.

• For you non persons of colors out there let me make you aware of some things you don't know. First have you ever seen an African in a taxi in Bangkok? I bet you have not and if you did he/she was probably black American, Black Englishmen etc. Africans don't use taxis not because they cant afford it (after all they are all drug dealers so they have money(I am being sarcastic)) but because of the police checkpoints particularly at night. And its not the fact the police are stopping them and asking them for their papers. The police are shaking them down. Thats what they are doing. Not only that but I know for a fact that police around Asok BTS escalator is famous for shaking down Africans who are walking along Sukhumvit anytime of the day or night. The police stopped me hoping I was carrying money and they would simply take it from me (if I had been an African). The Africans know that thus they avoid taxis and take the bus because the police don't stop buses. Again to my earlier points-the Thais allow them here, know what they are doing, and then continue to support their presence and benefit from it.

• Again for you non persons of color-a black American can 90% of the time look at an African and know he is African and vice versa. Believe me we can tell. And the fact is the black Americans here not only dislike the Africans greatly but we avoid them all together. And the Africans avoid us as well. We can't stand them. The black American women I know here particular dislike the men and their touchy feely as they walk down the street. Why do you ask (I know some of you racist are saying we are all alike") that black Americans don' tlike them? For the same reasons everyone else does. They are drug dealing vermin and should be removed. Any man should be able to walk around anywhere without being molested by some African fool trying to sell you drugs that we all know for sure destroy peoples lives. In addition it makes non blacks think that all blacks in Bangkok are doing the same thing. That is what I personally dislike them. Now again I have never been thought of as an African and Thais have always treated me with kindness especially after they found out I was American. But lets face it-most Thais know Tiger Woods mother is Thai and they know at least who Michael Jackson, Michael Jordan and Barack Obama is. So their image of black Americans is not tarnished but these Africans are making me stay in Thailand difficult at times.

• And the problem is not isolated to Thailand. It has spread to China! I was in Beijing and the number of Africans there was a shock to me. And they are up to the same illegal activities there. You would think with the Chinese with their zero tolerance of foreigners acting stupid and drugs they would end the problem in a snap. Not so. In fact check out Youtube and type "blacks riot in China". You will see most of them are in China illegally and although the video does not mention drugs rest assured these men are not sidewalk chicken sandwich vendors! And two years ago an African women was sentenced to death in China for drug smuggling but she was sentenced to life because the UK government intervened on her behalf to get her life in prison because she was pregnant.

• The influx of Africans in Thailand in particular and Asia in general will not stop. Why? China. China is aggressively pursuing every resource it can on the African continent. As a nation they are the largest investor in Africa-over 100 billion dollars a year! As a result of this massive investment and trading it has drawn Africans to Asia-the good ones and the bad ones. So no matter what you want these Africans are not going anywhere one way or the other. Africas resources are needed frankly because the resources everywhere else has dried up or the West controls.
• It is sad to see so many obvious racists on this board. Drugs a social and not a racial problem. In different parts of America different groups control the drug trade including the Irish in Boston, Puerto Ricans in the Bronx, Mexicans in Southern California and even Russians in New Jersey. For you racists it is sad you cannot accept the fact that the majority of the world is brown and not white. Barack Obama is the most powerful man on the planet earth. That is a fact. Look just open your mind a little and realize its not all white. If you truly want to discuss who causes trouble and mayhem think of this-I have never seen any black Army invade China; or a Chinese Army invade Mexico. It has always been Anglo-Saxons raining terror on other peoples. And for you racists who believe your skin color makes you superior-the Chinese are coming on the world stage in a economic and military way that the world has not seen since American at the end of WW2. And the Chinese don't like me OR YOU. Now don't get me wrong-I am a red blooded American and believe in our causes and actions for the most part. But historically speaking we all know Timbuktu had lighted streets when London was still a village. We are all on the same planet people. As Rodney King said-"can't we all get along"?

The bottom line is the influx of drug dealing Africans will stop when the Thais take real steps to end it. That means ending corruption, ignorance and more. And we all know that will not happen anytime soon.

I wish I had a cute Andy Rooney type one liner to end my post but I will just say we will all miss you Andy Rooney!

[stevecm]

please dont take this wrong we have lots of nigeras in ireland the country is now f@@ked so its time to send them home they ruined the country with help from goverment do gooders half come from uk on weekend to drive taxis and rob and rape not real hole car copied so i think now this is me not thai visa me only.they should me tatooed with a number on there heads they will leave quickly, i know barred again.asians at least work so do most of the human do to,keep africa for africans

Are you sure you are from Ireland?

Is Galic your native language?

+1

[puntmeister]

Just one more gripe (although I appreciate the gist of what you have written):

I resent the fact that Obama is considered black. Although his father was black (African, not African American), his mother was white. And he was raised by his white mother/grand-mother.

It can be factually stated that Obama is genetically 50% black.

Wow. Where do I start?

• First I am a black American living in Thailand. Let's get that out of the way first.

• The fact of the matter is it is an absolute joke for anyone to accuse any particular group of rampant wrongdoing of any type in Thailand. For all intents and purposes Thailand is lawless. The law can be bought here. The Nigerians here are not doing anything the Thais are not already doing. Do you really believe Thais(that is the illegal activities element) would allow Africans or anyone else to profit from illicit activities and they are not? For those of us that live here we know that Thais in one way or another are receiving ill gotten gains from these Nigerians and their illegal activities here. The Thai police are at the top of that list. Just look at the gambling den scandal. It was "discovered" that the Thai police not only knew about the gambling dens but were protecting them, participating in activities at the gambling dens and receiving ill gotten gains from the dens. Its the same with everything here-prostitution, gun running, human trafficking- at the end of the day a Thai is controlling it and making money from it. These Africans are making such a small amount no doubt and are handing the bulk of those ill gotten gains back to their Thai handlers. It does not make their activities moral or legal. Its just the facts behind it.

• Lets look at the leak in the dam so to speak. How are these Nigerians getting here? They are not walking like some drug traffickers do when they cross from Tijuana, Mexico into San Ysidro California. They are stepping off of airplanes. And Thailand is letting them in. That is a fact. If you see a 20 year old Nigerian arriving at the airport from a West African country who has never had a stamp in his passport and is carrying one bag I think it is fair to ask him what hotel he is staying in etc. In the USA immigration will do the same if they spot irregularities. Its not racist-it makes sense to do that. Right wrong or indifferent American is flooded with drug traffickers (though they usually are not stupid enough to try and bring it into the country on airplanes) and persons intent on terrorist activities. People who fit certain profiles should be asked what are they going to do while they are in Thailand. It is fair to ask for a hotel reservation or a return ticket. Thailand has to protect its sovereignty just like America does. But guess what? Either because of ineptness, laziness, ignorance or because they are on the take they allow these West Africans into Thailand through the airports. They can stop the foolishness at Suvarnabhumi. But they are not doing it.

• Further on that subject I have not know a single African in Thailand with a work permit. How and why does that matter? When Thailand grants these Africans visa extensions to stay in the country they are encouraging them to stay! These men (and some women) can't get work permits. No Thai company will here them for sure and they can't teach English because it is not their mother tongue and the EP programs have poor views of them at the schools from what I am told. So if they are staying here long term with no work permit you know what they are doing. And the Thai government knows as well. And yes some of them are here illegally. But I have also met some that have extension after extension in their passports.

• After being here a very long time I can tell you that not once has a Thai thought I was an African. Not once. But do you know who has (on three occasions)? The Thai police. And in what area? Sukhumvit. The funny thing was when they stopped me and asked for my "papers" (for a moment I thought I was a spy in a WW2 film and the Germans were checking my papers) they heard my American English and as I laughed at them and showed them my copy of my work permit, visa and passport along with my Florida drivers license they quickly said I could go. In fact before I could even get it all out of my wallet they said "its ok we thought you were African". I asked them how did they know I was African?. Their response? A dumbfound look of "I don't know but I know I look stupid now so I am going to walk away". I didn't get angry (but in my own country I would have because we have some semblance of law and order) but tried to explain to them that if Barack Obama was walking down the street would you think he is African? I got a good laugh out of that. Why did the police really stop me though? Read on.

• For you non persons of colors out there let me make you aware of some things you don't know. First have you ever seen an African in a taxi in Bangkok? I bet you have not and if you did he/she was probably black American, Black Englishmen etc. Africans don't use taxis not because they cant afford it (after all they are all drug dealers so they have money(I am being sarcastic)) but because of the police checkpoints particularly at night. And its not the fact the police are stopping them and asking them for their papers. The police are shaking them down. Thats what they are doing. Not only that but I know for a fact that police around Asok BTS escalator is famous for shaking down Africans who are walking along Sukhumvit anytime of the day or night. The police stopped me hoping I was carrying money and they would simply take it from me (if I had been an African). The Africans know that thus they avoid taxis and take the bus because the police don't stop buses. Again to my earlier points-the Thais allow them here, know what they are doing, and then continue to support their presence and benefit from it.

• Again for you non persons of color-a black American can 90% of the time look at an African and know he is African and vice versa. Believe me we can tell. And the fact is the black Americans here not only dislike the Africans greatly but we avoid them all together. And the Africans avoid us as well. We can't stand them. The black American women I know here particular dislike the men and their touchy feely as they walk down the street. Why do you ask (I know some of you racist are saying we are all alike") that black Americans don' tlike them? For the same reasons everyone else does. They are drug dealing vermin and should be removed. Any man should be able to walk around anywhere without being molested by some African fool trying to sell you drugs that we all know for sure destroy peoples lives. In addition it makes non blacks think that all blacks in Bangkok are doing the same thing. That is what I personally dislike them. Now again I have never been thought of as an African and Thais have always treated me with kindness especially after they found out I was American. But lets face it-most Thais know Tiger Woods mother is Thai and they know at least who Michael Jackson, Michael Jordan and Barack Obama is. So their image of black Americans is not tarnished but these Africans are making me stay in Thailand difficult at times.

• And the problem is not isolated to Thailand. It has spread to China! I was in Beijing and the number of Africans there was a shock to me. And they are up to the same illegal activities there. You would think with the Chinese with their zero tolerance of foreigners acting stupid and drugs they would end the problem in a snap. Not so. In fact check out Youtube and type "blacks riot in China". You will see most of them are in China illegally and although the video does not mention drugs rest assured these men are not sidewalk chicken sandwich vendors! And two years ago an African women was sentenced to death in China for drug smuggling but she was sentenced to life because the UK government intervened on her behalf to get her life in prison because she was pregnant.

• The influx of Africans in Thailand in particular and Asia in general will not stop. Why? China. China is aggressively pursuing every resource it can on the African continent. As a nation they are the largest investor in Africa-over 100 billion dollars a year! As a result of this massive investment and trading it has drawn Africans to Asia-the good ones and the bad ones. So no matter what you want these Africans are not going anywhere one way or the other. Africas resources are needed frankly because the resources everywhere else has dried up or the West controls.
• It is sad to see so many obvious racists on this board. Drugs a social and not a racial problem. In different parts of America different groups control the drug trade including the Irish in Boston, Puerto Ricans in the Bronx, Mexicans in Southern California and even Russians in New Jersey. For you racists it is sad you cannot accept the fact that the majority of the world is brown and not white. Barack Obama is the most powerful man on the planet earth. That is a fact. Look just open your mind a little and realize its not all white. If you truly want to discuss who causes trouble and mayhem think of this-I have never seen any black Army invade China; or a Chinese Army invade Mexico. It has always been Anglo-Saxons raining terror on other peoples. And for you racists who believe your skin color makes you superior-the Chinese are coming on the world stage in a economic and military way that the world has not seen since American at the end of WW2. And the Chinese don't like me OR YOU. Now don't get me wrong-I am a red blooded American and believe in our causes and actions for the most part. But historically speaking we all know Timbuktu had lighted streets when London was still a village. We are all on the same planet people. As Rodney King said-"can't we all get along"?

The bottom line is the influx of drug dealing Africans will stop when the Thais take real steps to end it. That means ending corruption, ignorance and more. And we all know that will not happen anytime soon.

I wish I had a cute Andy Rooney type one liner to end my post but I will just say we will all miss you Andy Rooney!

You the proud American-black..stop clearifying your position or making the kettle lighter than the pot...

check your facts out too...the young Girl was caught in Laos not China.....Your write-up doesn't make you any different in color, You will still be looked at the same way...Lots of Africans and Nigerians with work permit...I can show you some of them if you so desire..

First it is universally known as Black American. Not American black

Second the women I was talking about was not a young girl she was a middle aged women and she was caught in China. And my write up, had you bothered to read it completely rather than replying with a poorly written, grammar lacking tirade, you would have seen that 90% of my post was explaining much of the situation surrounding the Africans here and was not American centric. And I would love to know what industry Africans are working in where there are lots of work permits for them in Thailand.

And you are wrong about being looked at the same way. That is what you want the readers of this board to believe to support whatever subliminal message you are trying to convey to the members of this board. How can you possibly know how a black man is looked at if you are not black yourself and have experienced it so you can tell what the experience is? Perhaps you are the same person who told Koreans at the beginning of the Korean War that black soldiers had tails. I see your angle with your post and it is disheartening.

Fact is I know a great deal more about this situation than you do if for no other reason than I am a person of color and we hear things that non persons of color will not . After all I am a American Black Seriously though you are permitted your own opinion-well in my country anyway (that by the way is run by an American black

[talk2sam]

All very well said. A much appreciated post. It is no doubt the case that Thai police/immigration/policy makers are guilty of allowing, perpetuating, enabling,

and encouraging the influx of criminal elements.

However, you do come across a bit as painting black Americans as superior to black Africans.

"So their image of black Americans is not tarnished but these Africans are making me stay in Thailand difficult at times."

I have lived much of my life in Washington DC. There, the opposite gripe can often be heard - black Africans, typically well educated, complain about

the negative perception they recieve due to the antics of black Americans.

FWIW - in my experience, black Africans generally consider themselves superior to blacks from the Americas (not just the US, but all of North/South America). A (black) sociology

professor once explained this phenomenon: apparently it results from arrogance over the fact that blacks from the Americas are decendants of slaves (which, somehow, justifies black Africans looking

down upon them). Ugly, but, from my experience, true.

Wow. Where do I start?

• First I am a black American living in Thailand. Let's get that out of the way first.

• The fact of the matter is it is an absolute joke for anyone to accuse any particular group of rampant wrongdoing of any type in Thailand. For all intents and purposes Thailand is lawless. The law can be bought here. The Nigerians here are not doing anything the Thais are not already doing. Do you really believe Thais(that is the illegal activities element) would allow Africans or anyone else to profit from illicit activities and they are not? For those of us that live here we know that Thais in one way or another are receiving ill gotten gains from these Nigerians and their illegal activities here. The Thai police are at the top of that list. Just look at the gambling den scandal. It was "discovered" that the Thai police not only knew about the gambling dens but were protecting them, participating in activities at the gambling dens and receiving ill gotten gains from the dens. Its the same with everything here-prostitution, gun running, human trafficking- at the end of the day a Thai is controlling it and making money from it. These Africans are making such a small amount no doubt and are handing the bulk of those ill gotten gains back to their Thai handlers. It does not make their activities moral or legal. Its just the facts behind it.

• Lets look at the leak in the dam so to speak. How are these Nigerians getting here? They are not walking like some drug traffickers do when they cross from Tijuana, Mexico into San Ysidro California. They are stepping off of airplanes. And Thailand is letting them in. That is a fact. If you see a 20 year old Nigerian arriving at the airport from a West African country who has never had a stamp in his passport and is carrying one bag I think it is fair to ask him what hotel he is staying in etc. In the USA immigration will do the same if they spot irregularities. Its not racist-it makes sense to do that. Right wrong or indifferent American is flooded with drug traffickers (though they usually are not stupid enough to try and bring it into the country on airplanes) and persons intent on terrorist activities. People who fit certain profiles should be asked what are they going to do while they are in Thailand. It is fair to ask for a hotel reservation or a return ticket. Thailand has to protect its sovereignty just like America does. But guess what? Either because of ineptness, laziness, ignorance or because they are on the take they allow these West Africans into Thailand through the airports. They can stop the foolishness at Suvarnabhumi. But they are not doing it.

• Further on that subject I have not know a single African in Thailand with a work permit. How and why does that matter? When Thailand grants these Africans visa extensions to stay in the country they are encouraging them to stay! These men (and some women) can't get work permits. No Thai company will here them for sure and they can't teach English because it is not their mother tongue and the EP programs have poor views of them at the schools from what I am told. So if they are staying here long term with no work permit you know what they are doing. And the Thai government knows as well. And yes some of them are here illegally. But I have also met some that have extension after extension in their passports.

• After being here a very long time I can tell you that not once has a Thai thought I was an African. Not once. But do you know who has (on three occasions)? The Thai police. And in what area? Sukhumvit. The funny thing was when they stopped me and asked for my "papers" (for a moment I thought I was a spy in a WW2 film and the Germans were checking my papers) they heard my American English and as I laughed at them and showed them my copy of my work permit, visa and passport along with my Florida drivers license they quickly said I could go. In fact before I could even get it all out of my wallet they said "its ok we thought you were African". I asked them how did they know I was African?. Their response? A dumbfound look of "I don't know but I know I look stupid now so I am going to walk away". I didn't get angry (but in my own country I would have because we have some semblance of law and order) but tried to explain to them that if Barack Obama was walking down the street would you think he is African? I got a good laugh out of that. Why did the police really stop me though? Read on.

• For you non persons of colors out there let me make you aware of some things you don't know. First have you ever seen an African in a taxi in Bangkok? I bet you have not and if you did he/she was probably black American, Black Englishmen etc. Africans don't use taxis not because they cant afford it (after all they are all drug dealers so they have money(I am being sarcastic)) but because of the police checkpoints particularly at night. And its not the fact the police are stopping them and asking them for their papers. The police are shaking them down. Thats what they are doing. Not only that but I know for a fact that police around Asok BTS escalator is famous for shaking down Africans who are walking along Sukhumvit anytime of the day or night. The police stopped me hoping I was carrying money and they would simply take it from me (if I had been an African). The Africans know that thus they avoid taxis and take the bus because the police don't stop buses. Again to my earlier points-the Thais allow them here, know what they are doing, and then continue to support their presence and benefit from it.

• Again for you non persons of color-a black American can 90% of the time look at an African and know he is African and vice versa. Believe me we can tell. And the fact is the black Americans here not only dislike the Africans greatly but we avoid them all together. And the Africans avoid us as well. We can't stand them. The black American women I know here particular dislike the men and their touchy feely as they walk down the street. Why do you ask (I know some of you racist are saying we are all alike") that black Americans don' tlike them? For the same reasons everyone else does. They are drug dealing vermin and should be removed. Any man should be able to walk around anywhere without being molested by some African fool trying to sell you drugs that we all know for sure destroy peoples lives. In addition it makes non blacks think that all blacks in Bangkok are doing the same thing. That is what I personally dislike them. Now again I have never been thought of as an African and Thais have always treated me with kindness especially after they found out I was American. But lets face it-most Thais know Tiger Woods mother is Thai and they know at least who Michael Jackson, Michael Jordan and Barack Obama is. So their image of black Americans is not tarnished but these Africans are making me stay in Thailand difficult at times.

• And the problem is not isolated to Thailand. It has spread to China! I was in Beijing and the number of Africans there was a shock to me. And they are up to the same illegal activities there. You would think with the Chinese with their zero tolerance of foreigners acting stupid and drugs they would end the problem in a snap. Not so. In fact check out Youtube and type "blacks riot in China". You will see most of them are in China illegally and although the video does not mention drugs rest assured these men are not sidewalk chicken sandwich vendors! And two years ago an African women was sentenced to death in China for drug smuggling but she was sentenced to life because the UK government intervened on her behalf to get her life in prison because she was pregnant.

• The influx of Africans in Thailand in particular and Asia in general will not stop. Why? China. China is aggressively pursuing every resource it can on the African continent. As a nation they are the largest investor in Africa-over 100 billion dollars a year! As a result of this massive investment and trading it has drawn Africans to Asia-the good ones and the bad ones. So no matter what you want these Africans are not going anywhere one way or the other. Africas resources are needed frankly because the resources everywhere else has dried up or the West controls.
• It is sad to see so many obvious racists on this board. Drugs a social and not a racial problem. In different parts of America different groups control the drug trade including the Irish in Boston, Puerto Ricans in the Bronx, Mexicans in Southern California and even Russians in New Jersey. For you racists it is sad you cannot accept the fact that the majority of the world is brown and not white. Barack Obama is the most powerful man on the planet earth. That is a fact. Look just open your mind a little and realize its not all white. If you truly want to discuss who causes trouble and mayhem think of this-I have never seen any black Army invade China; or a Chinese Army invade Mexico. It has always been Anglo-Saxons raining terror on other peoples. And for you racists who believe your skin color makes you superior-the Chinese are coming on the world stage in a economic and military way that the world has not seen since American at the end of WW2. And the Chinese don't like me OR YOU. Now don't get me wrong-I am a red blooded American and believe in our causes and actions for the most part. But historically speaking we all know Timbuktu had lighted streets when London was still a village. We are all on the same planet people. As Rodney King said-"can't we all get along"?

The bottom line is the influx of drug dealing Africans will stop when the Thais take real steps to end it. That means ending corruption, ignorance and more. And we all know that will not happen anytime soon.

I wish I had a cute Andy Rooney type one liner to end my post but I will just say we will all miss you Andy Rooney!

Thank you :jap:

[housepainter]

Well I enjoyed reading that tale with its lack of verb form and past paticiples. Almost like doing a brain teezer or watching University Challenge; a struggle to make sense of it. But there you go; joined up English always was my strong point. One day I even hope to be able to write it - verb forms et al.

Nigerians in prison then. I wonder if they are the same 700 who live on or near to Sukhumvit Soi 4 area? The ones who sell baking powder and claim its cocaine and that their sister is only a tourist guide, honest. Or perhaps they encountered probelms when entering the country at Suwanaphum due to their luggage being a kilo too heavy.

That's a kilo of heroin.

But then what do I know? I don't send emails to unknown persons claiming to be related to David Cameron and having to hide his millions from the tax man. Can you help me? Furthermore, romance has never been searched for as I don't send emails claiming to have seen you on Facebook, I'm in your area and I really like sex. You can see me on my porn web site.

Porn for me is spelt 'pawn' and it's where the TV is. It's staying there while I make an honest living and earn enough to pay for it back.

As for the other Nigerians - the 100 million who aren't in jail, good luck to them as obviously honesty pays.

[harryfrompattaya]

Hi please show me the good nigerians, and yes i do go to the church Mosque, and Im sorry to say the nigerians i met ther was also busy with a scam. As a matter of fact the lot that attacked my son was there in my sons car that they stole. I pray for them. So Im asking you 1st are you nigerian and then as ive said PLEASE SHOW ME A GOOD NIGERIAN

You must want the Joke I do not believe the Joke and think it is terrible

"But it goes like this SHOW ME A GOOD NIGERIAN it is &&&& ***"

I do not believe the joke but I like to inform you

I used to be a comic but I made no money so I left the field

[harryfrompattaya]

Wow. Where do I start?

• First I am a black American living in Thailand. Let's get that out of the way first.

• The fact of the matter is it is an absolute joke for anyone to accuse any particular group of rampant wrongdoing of any type in Thailand. For all intents and purposes Thailand is lawless. The law can be bought here. The Nigerians here are not doing anything the Thais are not already doing. Do you really believe Thais(that is the illegal activities element) would allow Africans or anyone else to profit from illicit activities and they are not? For those of us that live here we know that Thais in one way or another are receiving ill gotten gains from these Nigerians and their illegal activities here. The Thai police are at the top of that list. Just look at the gambling den scandal. It was "discovered" that the Thai police not only knew about the gambling dens but were protecting them, participating in activities at the gambling dens and receiving ill gotten gains from the dens. Its the same with everything here-prostitution, gun running, human trafficking- at the end of the day a Thai is controlling it and making money from it. These Africans are making such a small amount no doubt and are handing the bulk of those ill gotten gains back to their Thai handlers. It does not make their activities moral or legal. Its just the facts behind it.

• Lets look at the leak in the dam so to speak. How are these Nigerians getting here? They are not walking like some drug traffickers do when they cross from Tijuana, Mexico into San Ysidro California. They are stepping off of airplanes. And Thailand is letting them in. That is a fact. If you see a 20 year old Nigerian arriving at the airport from a West African country who has never had a stamp in his passport and is carrying one bag I think it is fair to ask him what hotel he is staying in etc. In the USA immigration will do the same if they spot irregularities. Its not racist-it makes sense to do that. Right wrong or indifferent American is flooded with drug traffickers (though they usually are not stupid enough to try and bring it into the country on airplanes) and persons intent on terrorist activities. People who fit certain profiles should be asked what are they going to do while they are in Thailand. It is fair to ask for a hotel reservation or a return ticket. Thailand has to protect its sovereignty just like America does. But guess what? Either because of ineptness, laziness, ignorance or because they are on the take they allow these West Africans into Thailand through the airports. They can stop the foolishness at Suvarnabhumi. But they are not doing it.

• Further on that subject I have not know a single African in Thailand with a work permit. How and why does that matter? When Thailand grants these Africans visa extensions to stay in the country they are encouraging them to stay! These men (and some women) can't get work permits. No Thai company will here them for sure and they can't teach English because it is not their mother tongue and the EP programs have poor views of them at the schools from what I am told. So if they are staying here long term with no work permit you know what they are doing. And the Thai government knows as well. And yes some of them are here illegally. But I have also met some that have extension after extension in their passports.

• After being here a very long time I can tell you that not once has a Thai thought I was an African. Not once. But do you know who has (on three occasions)? The Thai police. And in what area? Sukhumvit. The funny thing was when they stopped me and asked for my "papers" (for a moment I thought I was a spy in a WW2 film and the Germans were checking my papers) they heard my American English and as I laughed at them and showed them my copy of my work permit, visa and passport along with my Florida drivers license they quickly said I could go. In fact before I could even get it all out of my wallet they said "its ok we thought you were African". I asked them how did they know I was African?. Their response? A dumbfound look of "I don't know but I know I look stupid now so I am going to walk away". I didn't get angry (but in my own country I would have because we have some semblance of law and order) but tried to explain to them that if Barack Obama was walking down the street would you think he is African? I got a good laugh out of that. Why did the police really stop me though? Read on.

• For you non persons of colors out there let me make you aware of some things you don't know. First have you ever seen an African in a taxi in Bangkok? I bet you have not and if you did he/she was probably black American, Black Englishmen etc. Africans don't use taxis not because they cant afford it (after all they are all drug dealers so they have money(I am being sarcastic)) but because of the police checkpoints particularly at night. And its not the fact the police are stopping them and asking them for their papers. The police are shaking them down. Thats what they are doing. Not only that but I know for a fact that police around Asok BTS escalator is famous for shaking down Africans who are walking along Sukhumvit anytime of the day or night. The police stopped me hoping I was carrying money and they would simply take it from me (if I had been an African). The Africans know that thus they avoid taxis and take the bus because the police don't stop buses. Again to my earlier points-the Thais allow them here, know what they are doing, and then continue to support their presence and benefit from it.

• Again for you non persons of color-a black American can 90% of the time look at an African and know he is African and vice versa. Believe me we can tell. And the fact is the black Americans here not only dislike the Africans greatly but we avoid them all together. And the Africans avoid us as well. We can't stand them. The black American women I know here particular dislike the men and their touchy feely as they walk down the street. Why do you ask (I know some of you racist are saying we are all alike") that black Americans don' tlike them? For the same reasons everyone else does. They are drug dealing vermin and should be removed. Any man should be able to walk around anywhere without being molested by some African fool trying to sell you drugs that we all know for sure destroy peoples lives. In addition it makes non blacks think that all blacks in Bangkok are doing the same thing. That is what I personally dislike them. Now again I have never been thought of as an African and Thais have always treated me with kindness especially after they found out I was American. But lets face it-most Thais know Tiger Woods mother is Thai and they know at least who Michael Jackson, Michael Jordan and Barack Obama is. So their image of black Americans is not tarnished but these Africans are making me stay in Thailand difficult at times.

• And the problem is not isolated to Thailand. It has spread to China! I was in Beijing and the number of Africans there was a shock to me. And they are up to the same illegal activities there. You would think with the Chinese with their zero tolerance of foreigners acting stupid and drugs they would end the problem in a snap. Not so. In fact check out Youtube and type "blacks riot in China". You will see most of them are in China illegally and although the video does not mention drugs rest assured these men are not sidewalk chicken sandwich vendors! And two years ago an African women was sentenced to death in China for drug smuggling but she was sentenced to life because the UK government intervened on her behalf to get her life in prison because she was pregnant.

• The influx of Africans in Thailand in particular and Asia in general will not stop. Why? China. China is aggressively pursuing every resource it can on the African continent. As a nation they are the largest investor in Africa-over 100 billion dollars a year! As a result of this massive investment and trading it has drawn Africans to Asia-the good ones and the bad ones. So no matter what you want these Africans are not going anywhere one way or the other. Africas resources are needed frankly because the resources everywhere else has dried up or the West controls.
• It is sad to see so many obvious racists on this board. Drugs a social and not a racial problem. In different parts of America different groups control the drug trade including the Irish in Boston, Puerto Ricans in the Bronx, Mexicans in Southern California and even Russians in New Jersey. For you racists it is sad you cannot accept the fact that the majority of the world is brown and not white. Barack Obama is the most powerful man on the planet earth. That is a fact. Look just open your mind a little and realize its not all white. If you truly want to discuss who causes trouble and mayhem think of this-I have never seen any black Army invade China; or a Chinese Army invade Mexico. It has always been Anglo-Saxons raining terror on other peoples. And for you racists who believe your skin color makes you superior-the Chinese are coming on the world stage in a economic and military way that the world has not seen since American at the end of WW2. And the Chinese don't like me OR YOU. Now don't get me wrong-I am a red blooded American and believe in our causes and actions for the most part. But historically speaking we all know Timbuktu had lighted streets when London was still a village. We are all on the same planet people. As Rodney King said-"can't we all get along"?

The bottom line is the influx of drug dealing Africans will stop when the Thais take real steps to end it. That means ending corruption, ignorance and more. And we all know that will not happen anytime soon.

I wish I had a cute Andy Rooney type one liner to end my post but I will just say we will all miss you Andy Rooney!

Very well said

Very well said

Edited October 6, 2011 by harryfrompattaya

[harryfrompattaya]

Hi please show me the good nigerians, and yes i do go to the church Mosque, and Im sorry to say the nigerians i met ther was also busy with a scam. As a matter of fact the lot that attacked my son was there in my sons car that they stole. I pray for them. So Im asking you 1st are you nigerian and then as ive said PLEASE SHOW ME A GOOD NIGERIAN

You must want the Joke I do not believe the Joke and think it is terrible

Their are many famous Nigerians playing football the sport you probably worship.

[jackdawson]

Wow; 11 pages (so far).

Re; the West Nigerians; Can't you just feel the love?

[RusticCharm]

Wow; 11 pages (so far).

Most of it taken up by dimwit posters quoting Sinsod1's lengthy post over and over and over again only to add a few inane lines at the bottom.

Enough already!

[Grumbles]

This may help to explain why there were so many ''Pastors'' here...

Pastors....my as@

Bet the catolic church rakes in more than that

[Payboy]

Hey, isn't Brown the new Black?

[MegaRanter]

As always is the case, blacks notice the differences between themselves more that othere races do.

To the black American with a too long post, you are quite naive as most of others with your background. It took a man from kenya to hike across the pond and make Barack Obama, and then leave.

I am a Nigerian and I have had a work permit since 2001.

[HardenedSoul]

Sinsod, your common-sense approach won't work on the bigots. The truth is that most of them prefer the warm blanket of anonymity that the internet affords to the risk they would face were they to express their opinions face-to-face to ANY black person let alone one fresh from the African continent.

As a youngster on the streets of Notting Hill - before and after it became gentrified - I have fond memories of personally helping to dispatch many a National Front racist to the intensive care unit over at St. Mary's hospital in Paddington and I would have no qualms whatsoever about doing the same here.

As a black Briton living in the Asoke area for 4 years, I can say that I get stopped by the Feds far, FAR less on Sukhumvit than I did in on the streets of Ladbroke Grove. Thais are not racist; they are merely ignorant but, once they see you're well-presented and polite, they treat you better than they do the whites. Any trepidation they may feel when first encountering a black person is akin to that experienced by Westerners when encountering a traditonally-dressed Middle Eastern Muslim at an airport. Both have been told by the media that Blacks and Muslims "can present a problem"

Happiness is not an absence of problems; in fact, it is having the ability to deal with problems with vigour and confidence. Having dealt with racism in many forms in my life, I consider myself a better, stronger person for it.

Peace

Go for it jackanory , you did make me laugh out loud there

Yes, I suppose 2 lines of text could be considered a "story" by those with concentration issues but if you mean to cast doubt on the veracity of my experiences, that is really down to you. It was not easy growing up with black skin in the UK at that time in the late 70s/early 80s.

Edited October 6, 2011 by HardenedSoul

[tommyboy928]

I hope they release them all soon so I can get that money the all have for me. I was wondering why I had not been getting as many emails lately.

Ha ha , was a good one... should never let this shit people in the country , they all crocks ... let them rotten where they sit ,and get the rest ones that are free and waist the money they stolen from people around the world . I bet many of them come to Thailand to hide the money.

[csolgosz]

A "Bishop" that fled Thailand. Right. What seminary did he attend? Our Fair Lady of the Scam?

I am willing to wager my left nut this chap is one of the Pentecostal holy rollers with a focus that I don't think is really Christian. Sorry, but I don't believe him.

Congratulations! The Nigerian Organisation for Compulsory Organ Donation informs you that you get to keep your left nut.

See this link...

http://www.charismatic.org/disclaimer.htm

Note that this dude is listed on the site - a bit of googling found him there. Sukhumvit African pimping and drug scene will miss him...

[veryruay]

No, Mr Obama is light brown. Oba Martins is blacker.

Edited October 7, 2011 by Scott
Unnecessarily long quote

[veryruay]

I don't know who to believe? One said no Nigerian holding a work permit in Thailand and the other said lot's of them. May I asked ignorantly? Can we see some to verified the truth ? Most importantly, what work permit ? Confused!

Edited October 7, 2011 by Scott
Unnecessarily long quote

[KeyserSoze01]

When the white money leaves-the problems begin.

The Thais are open about their racism and nationalism.

The Thais know what races cause most of the problems.

Paradoxically, they are doing very little to eradicate the Muslim problem in the south.

Thanks for the enlightenment as I was unaware that 'Muslim' was a race.

Why would anyone question the protests of the Red Shirts when viewing this type of lack of legal representation in this "Democratic" society? People languishing in prisons without due process of law, legal review of their pleas, lack of Habeus Corpus, and all other denials of basic human rights in a "Democratic" legal system.

Please tell me you are having a larf. TiT after all.

If you don't know any Nigerians, understand their culture or society, spoken to them, worked with them, or even visited their country--you have no valid point of view...that's the bottom line.

Ok, I'll bite. I have visited Nigerian, worked and lived in-country. Yes, there are some genuine people there, but their presence is far out shadowed by the scum who run the country and / or run rife over all things criminal related. If you are a foreigner in Nigerian, you might as well paint a target on your back for the bad guys, cause they are going to find you, regardless.

Edited October 6, 2011 by KeyserSoze01

[KeyserSoze01]

Another thing, people get scam emails from all over the world and for most of you, you probably dont even know where the email came from or who sent it...don't be so quick to share

your stories until you know the facts...I would encourage everyone not to make derogatory remarks against any race/class of people/religion.

I have to admire you position of not tarring all Nigerians with the same brush, but if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, well, you know the rest.

Ok you guy's there is still due process you know like the court system duh !

Kind of hard to expect due process when charges have not been filed against the detainees. Sounds a bit like Guantanamo Bay, eh.

It's amazing how no one gives a sh.t about the way they're kept in prison here simply because they're from Nigeria. If they were white there would be an outpour of sympathy for them. You are all such hypocrites. The point is this: The system in Thailand sucks and the condition prisoners are kept in suck and the extrajudicial killings suck as well!!! Everyone has the right to a fair trial no matter where they're from and this should be true in Thailand as well!!!

And if pigs had wings, they could fly. You aren't in Kansas anymore bucko. What you hold dear as cogent human rights has little to no meaning in Thailand. Capiche?

Ok, enough fun. I could cherry pick posts on this thread all day, but alas, I have more pressing things to attend to.

[Awohalitsiktoli]

Another thing, people get scam emails from all over the world and for most of you, you probably dont even know where the email came from or who sent it...don't be so quick to share

your stories until you know the facts...I would encourage everyone not to make derogatory remarks against any race/class of people/religion.

I have to admire you position of not tarring all Nigerians with the same brush, but if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, well, you know the rest.

Ok you guy's there is still due process you know like the court system duh !

Kind of hard to expect due process when charges have not been filed against the detainees. Sounds a bit like Guantanamo Bay, eh.

It's amazing how no one gives a sh.t about the way they're kept in prison here simply because they're from Nigeria. If they were white there would be an outpour of sympathy for them. You are all such hypocrites. The point is this: The system in Thailand sucks and the condition prisoners are kept in suck and the extrajudicial killings suck as well!!! Everyone has the right to a fair trial no matter where they're from and this should be true in Thailand as well!!!

And if pigs had wings, they could fly. You aren't in Kansas anymore bucko. What you hold dear as cogent human rights has little to no meaning in Thailand. Capiche?

Ok, enough fun. I could cherry pick posts on this thread all day, but alas, I have more pressing things to attend to.

One solution would be to release them from prison and hire them as consultants to teach the govt. how to stamp our corruption and rid Thailand of scam artists.

[chrisandsu]

Sinsod, your common-sense approach won't work on the bigots. The truth is that most of them prefer the warm blanket of anonymity that the internet affords to the risk they would face were they to express their opinions face-to-face to ANY black person let alone one fresh from the African continent.

As a youngster on the streets of Notting Hill - before and after it became gentrified - I have fond memories of personally helping to dispatch many a National Front racist to the intensive care unit over at St. Mary's hospital in Paddington and I would have no qualms whatsoever about doing the same here.

As a black Briton living in the Asoke area for 4 years, I can say that I get stopped by the Feds far, FAR less on Sukhumvit than I did in on the streets of Ladbroke Grove. Thais are not racist; they are merely ignorant but, once they see you're well-presented and polite, they treat you better than they do the whites. Any trepidation they may feel when first encountering a black person is akin to that experienced by Westerners when encountering a traditonally-dressed Middle Eastern Muslim at an airport. Both have been told by the media that Blacks and Muslims "can present a problem"

Happiness is not an absence of problems; in fact, it is having the ability to deal with problems with vigour and confidence. Having dealt with racism in many forms in my life, I consider myself a better, stronger person for it.

Peace

Go for it jackanory , you did make me laugh out loud there

Yes, I suppose 2 lines of text could be considered a "story" by those with concentration issues but if you mean to cast doubt on the veracity of my experiences, that is really down to you. It was not easy growing up with black skin in the UK at that time in the late 70s/early 80s.

ok jack any more storys to share? pc keith blakelock down to you? well hard innit

[jackr]

The truth is that most of them prefer the warm blanket of anonymity that the internet affords to the risk they would face were they to express their opinions face-to-face to ANY black person let alone one fresh from the African continent.

Says he with the generic nick.

Racism stinks in all forms, but it's ironic and typical that dark fellas find it ok to bash and berate the white man. That doesn't count does it.

[arthurwait]

why dont police just tighten the visa resrictions for nigerians then ? its not being racist , they shift the visa goalposts regular with farangs so why not africans ?

Looking at the Thai embassay website they can't get a 30 day tourist visa exemption. They actually have a page just for Nigerians so it looks like the rules are tougher for them already. Those here invovled with criminal activity must play the visa game or just disappear like the farangs doing the same do.